Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 so sir, " software " and " bush " r hand in hand he one is for the other. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM  Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > we r beating the bush > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > 5:45AM > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > 6:18AM > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > Raman Ayanama > 5:45AM > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > 6:18AM > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > >  > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > PRASHANT > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Dear Bharat, > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Hi, > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > shown below: > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > above fact. > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > changed to 06:18 Am > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > Hissar(Harayana) > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > follows: > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > Thanks and Regards, > Bharat > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Why they become members and com back again to the group to say they r not interested.They can as well block mails by going to settings and avoid. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Thu, 12/10/09, ramdas pai <ramdas_pai wrote: ramdas pai <ramdas_pai Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart Thursday, December 10, 2009, 11:36 PM  delete me from group  pl no more emails  thanks  ram --- On Fri, 12/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:15 AM  Sad to hear about your problems with the 12th house of Sinclair-Timex, Suresh jee! For me, it was a pragmatic choice. New in a very different culture from what I was used to, trying hard to learn and find livelihood and a place for myself on a meagre stipend -- the 'cheap' computer (the first computer to be sold under 100 dollars -- some 30 years before Bill Gates began to make his Hooplaa about making available a computer to all in the world for less than 100 dollars -- although admittedly, what BG is offering would be way more powerful than the ZX-8x that Sinclair did!) -- the HOT little computer (literally! It generated so much speed especially when the 32K ram pack was added :-P that it kept my coffee mug warm I KID you not! It took me on an average about one hour to calculate a chart by hand, prop. log, ephemerides, tables of ascendants, atlases, look up tables for vargas, calculating padas on the fly and many more painful calculations! I almost gave up trying to READ a chart after it got calculated, right away. " NATIS! " allowed me to prepare the meal and eat it soon afterwards, FOR the first time in my life! I am eternally grateful to MA for making that possible, back then in those times when one worked alone -- burning the midnight lamp -- in silence and in rapt attention! As I worked through the millions of iterations, literally, I received many important lessons and messages and information that stay with me today and helped me become what I became. Time and Effort are never wasted as long as one lives in the MOMENT! Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > Sinclair that I came across surely kicked me. I wanted to kick back, but could not at that time. Had to wait till I could personaly afford an HCL and dear Bill Gates. >  > // incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!// > > correct. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, December 11, 2009 6:41:35 AM > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > >  > Haha! You are going to get a kick out of reading this, Suresh ji! I am not a programmer by any stretch of imagination but back in very early 80s, I modified the BASIC routines published by Michael Erlewine to create a simple program for personal use on a Timex/Sinclair ZX-81 Computer! And then used it on the CBM platform, then MSDOS until I acquired a commercial software in early 90s! Apalled at the errors in simple shadbala calculations, moved to another and another and another software etc. > > I personally do not think that the problem lies in the basic calculation engines for longitudes etc. All perform and have always performed fine whether it be Erlewine's routines or Duffett-Smith' s routines or Swiss Ephemeris, Goravani, Visual Jyotish, Parashara Light blah blah blah! There have been some notable problems with the atlas coordinates though! > > The problems always arose in what the programs did next! Since jyotishis (of import and weight) have used different ways of calculating Jyotish factors the software vendors had to accommodate and incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does! > > RR > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora came to light. > > > > I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend, far more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I was to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available then. I have later ported it to Windows platform and has much needed features for prediction based in Traditional Astrology. > >   > > The accuracy of software depends on the accuracy of the code used. There could be errors, but nothing that could not be corrected, if you know what you are doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written, which may contain errors, but would not know how to correct them. > > > > Further, Software enables us to display numerous data, most of which are useless for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the newcommer in the pretence of modernisation of Astrology. > > > > However, none of the above is relevant in this case. > > > >      A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > >  > > Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji, > > > > true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them > > > > in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386 SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k > > AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168 Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME > > > > after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa v much more expensive > > > > wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w > > these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards > > > > Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a Language > > > > so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free > > simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results > > > > this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them > > to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction when the s/w itself needs correction > > > > prashant > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations. > > > > Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated. > > > > regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > we r beating the bush > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > 5:45AM > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > Raman Ayanama > > 5:45AM > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > PRASHANT > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Hi, > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > shown below: > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > above fact. > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > changed to 06:18 Am > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > follows: > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Suresh Ji, You are right in saying : " Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations. " But in this case I find Pandit Ji in the wrong, together with the software he used. The problem posed by Bharat Ji (DOB 24 Sep 1982, 5:45 AM, Hissar, Haryana, India) is serious but it was wrongly diagnosed by his pandit ji as well as by software-dependent persons (pardon me for saying so, I do not intend to insult anyone). A cursory glance at the data supplied by Bharat Ji shows that the problem lies not in planetary positions but in Lagna only, because all planets differ by exactly one rashi in both charts (5:45 and 6:18). According to JHORA, Bharat Ji's Lagna is Leo 29:20':45 " .27 . Hence, it is indeed a Zero Degree case, ie less than one degree of change in lagna changes the sign of lagna and changes the entire chart consequently. Why the Pandit ji insisted on changing the lagna by advancing birthtime by 33 minutes was certainly related to the events of Bharat Ji's life, which he has not cared to mention. The Rasi chart generated by softwares based on physical astronomy is exactly same as that generated by Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software. But the bhaavachalita chart generated by Kundalee software has following make up : House Planets in Rasi-chart Bhaavachalita 1 Ven Sun,Mer,Ven 2 Sun,Mer,Sat Sat 3 Jup Mar,Jup 4 Mar,Moo Moo 5 Ket Ket 6 7 8 9 10 11 Rah Rah 12 If birth-time is advanced to 6:18 and tropical year is used for Vimshottari, JHORA gives Vimshottari planets as Ven MD, Sat AD, Mer PD. Let us neglect SD and PranD because they require greater accuracy in birthtime. Kundalee software gives this sequence of Vimshottari planets for birthtime at original value of 5:45. But JHORS gives Ven:Sat:Sat for 5:45 AM. Mercury is exalted (in uchcha) in this chart. Hence, the pandit ji wanted Mercury's PD instead of Saturn's PD in order to match the events in BharatJi's life. This is the reason of his wrong attempt to change birthtime. He used some software to get Ven:Sat:Mer Vimshottari, but had Venus into 12th which he tolerated, because Venus is not powerful for this person (combust and neutral make it weak). Exalted Mercury in lagna will not cause as much wealth as same Mercury in 2nd will do. Sage Parashara calls D1 as " Lagna " (first verse of Varga-vivechana-adhyaaya), and Lagna is defined as rising point of ecliptic. Bhaavachalita is exactly same as the elliptical ecliptic, which few astrologers understand. Rasi chakra is circular and therefore has all 12 rasis of equal magnitudes. Hence, Rasi chakra is equal division of the Sky, while Bhaavachalita is the division of ecliptic according to four cardinal points : Lagna or rising point of ecliptic, meridian or Dasham, setting point or Seventh, and Midnight or Fourth Bhaava. When middle of Bhaavachalita's bhaavas are around 15 degrees, Rasi-chart has negligible difference with Bhaavachalita, but when middle of Bhaavachalita (ie, middle of Lagna) is around end or beginning of a Rasi, Bhaavachalita may differ considerably from Rasi chart because many planets change their houses in the Bhaavachalita. Bhaavachalita is the real D1 according to ancient definition, and Rasi chart is needed only for mathematical computations like aspects, relations, friendships, etc. A large majority of pandits as well as software persons do not accord due weight to Bhaavachalita. The problem faced by Bharat Ji's Pandit ji was due to his inability to recognize that Phalita should be based on accurate method of Bhaavachalita and not upon the crude method of assuming Rasi chart to be same as Bhaavachalita. BPHS gives b oth methods. When we have time, we should compute and use Bhaavachalita for predictive purposes. But if we do not have time, we can use the crude method which sometimes cheats us. -VJ =============== ==== , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Sad to hear about your problems with the 12th house of Sinclair-Timex, Suresh jee! For me, it was a pragmatic choice. New in a very different culture from what I was used to, trying hard to learn and find livelihood and a place for myself on a meagre stipend -- the 'cheap' computer (the first computer to be sold under 100 dollars -- some 30 years before Bill Gates began to make his Hooplaa about making available a computer to all in the world for less than 100 dollars -- although admittedly, what BG is offering would be way more powerful than the ZX-8x that Sinclair did!) -- the HOT little computer (literally! It generated so much speed especially when the 32K ram pack was added :-P that it kept my coffee mug warm I KID you not! > > It took me on an average about one hour to calculate a chart by hand, prop. log, ephemerides, tables of ascendants, atlases, look up tables for vargas, calculating padas on the fly and many more painful calculations! I almost gave up trying to READ a chart after it got calculated, right away. " NATIS! " allowed me to prepare the meal and eat it soon afterwards, FOR the first time in my life! I am eternally grateful to MA for making that possible, back then in those times when one worked alone -- burning the midnight lamp -- in silence and in rapt attention! > > As I worked through the millions of iterations, literally, I received many important lessons and messages and information that stay with me today and helped me become what I became. > > Time and Effort are never wasted as long as one lives in the MOMENT! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > Sinclair that I came across surely kicked me. I wanted to kick back, but could not at that time. Had to wait till I could personaly afford an HCL and dear Bill Gates. > >  > > // incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!// > > > > correct. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > Fri, December 11, 2009 6:41:35 AM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > >  > > Haha! You are going to get a kick out of reading this, Suresh ji! I am not a programmer by any stretch of imagination but back in very early 80s, I modified the BASIC routines published by Michael Erlewine to create a simple program for personal use on a Timex/Sinclair ZX-81 Computer! And then used it on the CBM platform, then MSDOS until I acquired a commercial software in early 90s! Apalled at the errors in simple shadbala calculations, moved to another and another and another software etc. > > > > I personally do not think that the problem lies in the basic calculation engines for longitudes etc. All perform and have always performed fine whether it be Erlewine's routines or Duffett-Smith' s routines or Swiss Ephemeris, Goravani, Visual Jyotish, Parashara Light blah blah blah! There have been some notable problems with the atlas coordinates though! > > > > The problems always arose in what the programs did next! Since jyotishis (of import and weight) have used different ways of calculating Jyotish factors the software vendors had to accommodate and incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does! > > > > RR > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora came to light. > > > > > > I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend, far more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I was to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available then. I have later ported it to Windows platform and has much needed features for prediction based in Traditional Astrology. > > >   > > > The accuracy of software depends on the accuracy of the code used. There could be errors, but nothing that could not be corrected, if you know what you are doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written, which may contain errors, but would not know how to correct them. > > > > > > Further, Software enables us to display numerous data, most of which are useless for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the newcommer in the pretence of modernisation of Astrology. > > > > > > However, none of the above is relevant in this case. > > > > > >      A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them > > > > > > in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386 SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k > > > AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168 Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME > > > > > > after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa v much more expensive > > > > > > wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w > > > these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards > > > > > > Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a Language > > > > > > so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free > > > simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results > > > > > > this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them > > > to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction when the s/w itself needs correction > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations. > > > > > > Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated. > > > > > > regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > 5:45AM > > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > Raman Ayanama > > > 5:45AM > > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bharat bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > shown below: > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > above fact. > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > follows: > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, A very good explanation about what might have transpired. //A large majority of pandits as well as software persons do not accord due weight to Bhaavachalita.// It is matter of perception and what you are analising and how, which is practical application of astrology. If the lagna is rasi sandhi, it is the choise of Astrologer to use bhavachalita or rasi chakra depending on the system he chooses. That however is not point of argument here. The point is just because lagna is at rashi sandhi, how can you advance the TOB by a huge 33 minutes? Where is the common sense in that? and above all to make a ill-informed comment about softwares. In all the probability, if the native had not presented a computer generated software, the pandit jee may not even notice the lagna in rashi sandhi. I have seen many manualy commputed horoscopes using panchagas, which usualy provides a basic position for a given long-lat, without taking care to adjust for the place of birth. Even TOB correction is a complicated process, and varies according to the system and knowledge of the astrologer , which need not be arguments raised by another astrologer. regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ VJha <vinayjhaa16 Fri, December 11, 2009 8:20:42 PM Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart  Suresh Ji, You are right in saying : " Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations. " But in this case I find Pandit Ji in the wrong, together with the software he used. The problem posed by Bharat Ji (DOB 24 Sep 1982, 5:45 AM, Hissar, Haryana, India) is serious but it was wrongly diagnosed by his pandit ji as well as by software-dependent persons (pardon me for saying so, I do not intend to insult anyone). A cursory glance at the data supplied by Bharat Ji shows that the problem lies not in planetary positions but in Lagna only, because all planets differ by exactly one rashi in both charts (5:45 and 6:18). According to JHORA, Bharat Ji's Lagna is Leo 29:20':45 " .27 . Hence, it is indeed a Zero Degree case, ie less than one degree of change in lagna changes the sign of lagna and changes the entire chart consequently. Why the Pandit ji insisted on changing the lagna by advancing birthtime by 33 minutes was certainly related to the events of Bharat Ji's life, which he has not cared to mention. The Rasi chart generated by softwares based on physical astronomy is exactly same as that generated by Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software. But the bhaavachalita chart generated by Kundalee software has following make up : House Planets in Rasi-chart Bhaavachalita 1 Ven Sun,Mer,Ven 2 Sun,Mer,Sat Sat 3 Jup Mar,Jup 4 Mar,Moo Moo 5 Ket Ket 6 7 8 9 10 11 Rah Rah 12 If birth-time is advanced to 6:18 and tropical year is used for Vimshottari, JHORA gives Vimshottari planets as Ven MD, Sat AD, Mer PD. Let us neglect SD and PranD because they require greater accuracy in birthtime. Kundalee software gives this sequence of Vimshottari planets for birthtime at original value of 5:45. But JHORS gives Ven:Sat:Sat for 5:45 AM. Mercury is exalted (in uchcha) in this chart. Hence, the pandit ji wanted Mercury's PD instead of Saturn's PD in order to match the events in BharatJi's life. This is the reason of his wrong attempt to change birthtime. He used some software to get Ven:Sat:Mer Vimshottari, but had Venus into 12th which he tolerated, because Venus is not powerful for this person (combust and neutral make it weak). Exalted Mercury in lagna will not cause as much wealth as same Mercury in 2nd will do. Sage Parashara calls D1 as " Lagna " (first verse of Varga-vivechana- adhyaaya) , and Lagna is defined as rising point of ecliptic. Bhaavachalita is exactly same as the elliptical ecliptic, which few astrologers understand. Rasi chakra is circular and therefore has all 12 rasis of equal magnitudes. Hence, Rasi chakra is equal division of the Sky, while Bhaavachalita is the division of ecliptic according to four cardinal points : Lagna or rising point of ecliptic, meridian or Dasham, setting point or Seventh, and Midnight or Fourth Bhaava. When middle of Bhaavachalita' s bhaavas are around 15 degrees, Rasi-chart has negligible difference with Bhaavachalita, but when middle of Bhaavachalita (ie, middle of Lagna) is around end or beginning of a Rasi, Bhaavachalita may differ considerably from Rasi chart because many planets change their houses in the Bhaavachalita. Bhaavachalita is the real D1 according to ancient definition, and Rasi chart is needed only for mathematical computations like aspects, relations, friendships, etc. A large majority of pandits as well as software persons do not accord due weight to Bhaavachalita. The problem faced by Bharat Ji's Pandit ji was due to his inability to recognize that Phalita should be based on accurate method of Bhaavachalita and not upon the crude method of assuming Rasi chart to be same as Bhaavachalita. BPHS gives b oth methods. When we have time, we should compute and use Bhaavachalita for predictive purposes. But if we do not have time, we can use the crude method which sometimes cheats us. -VJ ============ === ==== , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Sad to hear about your problems with the 12th house of Sinclair-Timex, Suresh jee! For me, it was a pragmatic choice. New in a very different culture from what I was used to, trying hard to learn and find livelihood and a place for myself on a meagre stipend -- the 'cheap' computer (the first computer to be sold under 100 dollars -- some 30 years before Bill Gates began to make his Hooplaa about making available a computer to all in the world for less than 100 dollars -- although admittedly, what BG is offering would be way more powerful than the ZX-8x that Sinclair did!) -- the HOT little computer (literally! It generated so much speed especially when the 32K ram pack was added :-P that it kept my coffee mug warm I KID you not! > > It took me on an average about one hour to calculate a chart by hand, prop. log, ephemerides, tables of ascendants, atlases, look up tables for vargas, calculating padas on the fly and many more painful calculations! I almost gave up trying to READ a chart after it got calculated, right away. " NATIS! " allowed me to prepare the meal and eat it soon afterwards, FOR the first time in my life! I am eternally grateful to MA for making that possible, back then in those times when one worked alone -- burning the midnight lamp -- in silence and in rapt attention! > > As I worked through the millions of iterations, literally, I received many important lessons and messages and information that stay with me today and helped me become what I became. > > Time and Effort are never wasted as long as one lives in the MOMENT! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " sureshbabuag@ wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > Sinclair that I came across surely kicked me. I wanted to kick back, but could not at that time. Had to wait till I could personaly afford an HCL and dear Bill Gates. > >  > > // incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!// > > > > correct. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > Fri, December 11, 2009 6:41:35 AM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > >  > > Haha! You are going to get a kick out of reading this, Suresh ji! I am not a programmer by any stretch of imagination but back in very early 80s, I modified the BASIC routines published by Michael Erlewine to create a simple program for personal use on a Timex/Sinclair ZX-81 Computer! And then used it on the CBM platform, then MSDOS until I acquired a commercial software in early 90s! Apalled at the errors in simple shadbala calculations, moved to another and another and another software etc. > > > > I personally do not think that the problem lies in the basic calculation engines for longitudes etc. All perform and have always performed fine whether it be Erlewine's routines or Duffett-Smith' s routines or Swiss Ephemeris, Goravani, Visual Jyotish, Parashara Light blah blah blah! There have been some notable problems with the atlas coordinates though! > > > > The problems always arose in what the programs did next! Since jyotishis (of import and weight) have used different ways of calculating Jyotish factors the software vendors had to accommodate and incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does! > > > > RR > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora came to light. > > > > > > I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend, far more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I was to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available then. I have later ported it to Windows platform and has much needed features for prediction based in Traditional Astrology. > > >   > > > The accuracy of software depends on the accuracy of the code used. There could be errors, but nothing that could not be corrected, if you know what you are doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written, which may contain errors, but would not know how to correct them. > > > > > > Further, Software enables us to display numerous data, most of which are useless for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the newcommer in the pretence of modernisation of Astrology. > > > > > > However, none of the above is relevant in this case. > > > > > >      A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them > > > > > > in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386 SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k > > > AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168 Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME > > > > > > after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa v much more expensive > > > > > > wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w > > > these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards > > > > > > Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a Language > > > > > > so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free > > > simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results > > > > > > this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them > > > to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction when the s/w itself needs correction > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations. > > > > > > Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated. > > > > > > regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > 5:45AM > > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > Raman Ayanama > > > 5:45AM > > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bharat bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > shown below: > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > above fact. > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > follows: > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Hi, Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. Thanks In Advance, Bharat , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > so sir, > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > he one is for the other. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > >  > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > 5:45AM > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > Raman Ayanama > > 5:45AM > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > >  > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > PRASHANT > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Hi, > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > shown below: > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > above fact. > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > changed to 06:18 Am > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > follows: > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Bharat ji, Like many other " myths " and 'givens' in astrology that cannot be questioned without an uproar or worse, this " ZERO " degree position is a MYTH! It does not exist! If we are using the Deg Min Sec 'resolution' let us say a planet is in 5s 59m 59s and next enters into 6s 00m 00s it has already entered Tula! Even if you use finer arc-resolutions there would always be that last segment that belongs to the sign before and instantaneously enters the next sign! There is no zero position or 'zone of transition'! That illusion is created by ayanamsha! It is 'apparent', not TRUE! UNLIKE sunrise or sunset and that is where the myth arises from, perhaps! Phenomenon like sunrise or sunset have a zone and not a sharp moment when transition takes place and we assume that that is the case too for signs! Also interesting to consider is that this fine demarcation almost nonexistent between signs or between nakshatras or between finer vargas while very fine and like the edge of a surgical Scalpel is way finer than a Planet's foot print! Except for those " planets " that do not have a physical foot-print! Such as Rahu and Ketu or Gulika and other mathematical points! I hope you are with me, so far! Perhaps the 'disk' of the planet must be taken into consideration for these zero degree " FENCES " ! If you are confident that you are that advanced where such fine placements make a difference in what you read or do! Or experience ;-) Rohiniranjan , " bharat " <bharat_9m wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. > > I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. > > I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. > > It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. > > I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. > > Thanks In Advance, > Bharat > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > so sir, > > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > > he one is for the other. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > 5:45AM > > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > Raman Ayanama > > > 5:45AM > > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > shown below: > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > above fact. > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > follows: > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Dear Bharat Ji, U will be considered fortunate if you happen to be virgo,as Manglik effcet effect will be nullifies.,For simha born people how ever sun as a ruler of the sign will not impact manglik dosha effects. The problems of relationships with spouse and other have to be faced by leo rooted people as they tend to be dominating,exercise their desires and seek fulfilment.leos ar think and act like rulers and spend time away from others in a indolent fashion.so in a way mangal during dasa may not act adversely as relation between mangal and surya is very in timate. 2.Your other issues if any can be looked into through chalit chart,divisional chart based on your original timing of birth not the corrected one.Let your purohit;s conviction be used for his own advices for tarabalam,fixing of good time for panchangam purpose. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Fri, 12/11/09, bharat <bharat_9m wrote: bharat <bharat_9m Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:23 PM  Hi, Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. Thanks In Advance, Bharat , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > so sir, > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > he one is for the other. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > >  > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > 5:45AM > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > Raman Ayanama > > 5:45AM > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > >  > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > PRASHANT > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Hi, > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > shown below: > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > above fact. > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > changed to 06:18 Am > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > follows: > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Dada! Does Mangal-Dosha even exist? As described and prescribed? What has been your experience when you followed up on the many cases that crossed your desk in your Jyotish Journey? Was Mangal-Dosh alone, in your experience as a jyotishi, ever responsible for disaster? As classically prescribed or negative in a general way? Or is Mangal Dosh or KSY -- like Astangata dosha, just one 'fault' in the foundation which represents a " WATCH-POINT " but by itself shall not bring the Edifice down? Unless OTHER conditions prevail and overwhelm? RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Bharat Ji, > U will be considered fortunate if you happen to be virgo,as Manglik effcet effect will be nullifies.,For simha born people how ever sun as a ruler of the sign will not impact manglik dosha effects. > The problems of relationships with spouse and other have to be faced by leo rooted people as they tend to be dominating,exercise their desires and seek fulfilment.leos ar think and act like rulers and spend time away from others in a indolent fashion.so in a way mangal during dasa may not act adversely as relation between mangal and surya is very in timate. > 2.Your other issues if any can be looked into through chalit chart,divisional chart based on your original timing of birth not the corrected one.Let your purohit;s conviction be used for his own advices for tarabalam,fixing of good time for panchangam purpose. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, bharat <bharat_9m wrote: > > > bharat <bharat_9m > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:23 PM > > >  > > > > Hi, > > Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. > > I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. > > I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. > > It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. > > I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. > > Thanks In Advance, > Bharat > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > so sir, > > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > > he one is for the other. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > 5:45AM > > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > Raman Ayanama > > > 5:45AM > > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > shown below: > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > above fact. > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > follows: > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Bharta Ji, For me u r confirmes Mangalik as mangal is effecting your 4th.a Kendra and in navamsa 10th the house of ardha The dosha however gets cancelled as Mangal in own house in lagna chart with Moon in jyeshta of mercury nakshtra in 2nd qaurte.Mars takes mercury navamsa with saturn in Virgo. Go0d for commercial and banking softwaresolutions.Dasa of Venus in lgana suffering in simha.agni rasi.Some compulsions to fulfi your ambitions in life could be felt. 7th lord saturn effecting your dhana/kutumba bhava in surya'a nakshtra of uttara. Exalted Mercury is retrograde and with sun as well as saturn in mars nakshtra of chitta.Emotions need chack and control. If purohits version for amoment is given regard the lagna of virgo will have palnatary war between venus,mercury and saturn atmakarak Almost 4 planets with more than 22 degrees and lagna in sandhi at 29 pluse degrees may not be supportive of your determination and plan. Mars impact on saturn in 4/10 axis navamsa need to be tackled with the advice of purohit for stable job and for comforts in life and also to control life style expenses. Moon with rahu in 3rd is also with jupiter in navmsa.Not a good indication as your communications is an area where hurdles come in your of progress.Your initiative some time give wrong interpretations eevn in your family and relationships.Avoid in any case confrontations with elders.Parents need to be given the due importance in life to remove saturn sun mutusal aspects in navamsa.Current anatar and pratyanatar of saturn in Venus maha dasa none of your initiaves lead to any help/Need control on your talk and often better you review your travel plans.Mercury retrograde in 2nd from lagna also 11th from rasis sign.Finances need care and control. In case of virgo lagna impact of yogakarak planets saturn and Venus may not give positive results and need remedies. worship to sun and Dattatreys reduces negative impacts in life during partaynatar of of sun and jupiter.  Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Fri, 12/11/09, bharat <bharat_9m wrote: bharat <bharat_9m Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:23 PM  Hi, Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. Thanks In Advance, Bharat , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > so sir, > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > he one is for the other. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > >  > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > 5:45AM > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > Raman Ayanama > > 5:45AM > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > 6:18AM > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > >  > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > PRASHANT > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Hi, > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > shown below: > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > above fact. > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > changed to 06:18 Am > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > follows: > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Dear Shri Rohni Ji, Very ticklish question.Joyotish journeys involve tiresomeness and the contradictions in preachings and  teachings. Need to change the garb from honest services to commerce oriented service as both have different approaches. For me Mars dosha is no dosha at all and ofcourse the long dealt KSY.I always desisit in making noise about yogas.yet push button jyotish orients many people to seek pointed answers for the endorsements they get from else where. Theoritical implications of these doshas are over emphasised.as if one having problems is cursed due to these issues. These watch points when made explicable people having doubts particulalrly Gemini and Virgo ascendants wil rue less.other wise Iam afraid they tax their brains to think of these doshas and get negative orientation.what remains finally is the retarded apparoaches and negative actions. Yeahthe point you made ceratinly matters for every one as b4 v attempt to delineate and chart out some body'd future. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Fri, 12/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:02 PM  Dada! Does Mangal-Dosha even exist? As described and prescribed? What has been your experience when you followed up on the many cases that crossed your desk in your Jyotish Journey? Was Mangal-Dosh alone, in your experience as a jyotishi, ever responsible for disaster? As classically prescribed or negative in a general way? Or is Mangal Dosh or KSY -- like Astangata dosha, just one 'fault' in the foundation which represents a " WATCH-POINT " but by itself shall not bring the Edifice down? Unless OTHER conditions prevail and overwhelm? RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Bharat Ji, > U will be considered fortunate if you happen to be virgo,as Manglik effcet effect will be nullifies.,For simha born people how ever sun as a ruler of the sign will not impact manglik dosha effects. > The problems of relationships with spouse and other have to be faced by leo rooted people as they tend to be dominating,exercise their desires and seek fulfilment.leos ar think and act like rulers and spend time away from others in a indolent fashion.so in a way mangal during dasa may not act adversely as relation between mangal and surya is very in timate. > 2.Your other issues if any can be looked into through chalit chart,divisional chart based on your original timing of birth not the corrected one.Let your purohit;s conviction be used for his own advices for tarabalam,fixing of good time for panchangam purpose. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, bharat <bharat_9m@. ..> wrote: > > > bharat <bharat_9m@. ..> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:23 PM > > >  > > > > Hi, > > Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. > > I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. > > I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. > > It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. > > I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. > > Thanks In Advance, > Bharat > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > so sir, > > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > > he one is for the other. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > 5:45AM > > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > Raman Ayanama > > > 5:45AM > > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > shown below: > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > above fact. > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > follows: > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 WOW Krishhnan Dada! Please SLOW down! Your reminded me of the movie my friends made me watch the other night on Bolly-channel! KRISHH, I think it was called starring the son of Rakesh Roshan (the next generation is always more flashy -- including the Kapoors but not the Bachchans so far ;-)). This Hrittik guy was flying all over the place like Superman and speaking of being [ticklish], was giving foot massages and what not, ENERGETICALLY to revive sleeping beauties! But let us not go there! We might be surrounded by MONKS and Brahmachaaris who might seek askance at the ebuliance [?] of two vanaprasthees, although the life-expectancy is not 57 years anymore, thanks to modern medicine and improved hygiene! Before Kumar-jee or even before him our other " MONITORS " return from their " CHAI-BREAK " and send us two naughty boys in the corner (in this spherical Jyotish rotunda sans corners!) -- let me return to my cacophony persistent! Show me ONE CHART with ONE SINGLE NEGATIVE factor that was responsible for a life wasted or ONE SINGLE POSITIVE factor that was responsible for a life BLESSED -- and I will personally cook dinner for you! How is that for a bit of colour from a 'painter?' Ranjak , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Rohni Ji, [typos corrected by RR!] > Very ticklish question.Joyotish [Jyotish] journeys involve tiresomeness and the contradictions in preachings and  [?] teachings. > Need to change the garb from honest services to commerce oriented service as both have different approaches. > For me Mars dosha is no dosha at all and ofcourse the long dealt KSY.I always desisit [sigh!] in making noise about yogas.yet push button jyotish orients many people to seek pointed answers for the endorsements they get from else where. > Theoritical implications of these doshas are over emphasised.as if one having problems is cursed due to these issues. > These watch points when made explicable people having doubts particulalrly Gemini and Virgo ascendants wil rue [?] less.other wise Iam afraid they tax their brains to think of these doshas and get negative orientation.what remains finally is the retarded apparoaches and negative actions. > Yeahthe [?] point you made ceratinly [?] matters for every one as b4 v [before we?] attempt to delineate and chart out some body'd ['s'?] future. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:02 PM > > >  > > > > Dada! > > Does Mangal-Dosha even exist? As described and prescribed? > > What has been your experience when you followed up on the many cases that crossed your desk in your Jyotish Journey? > > Was Mangal-Dosh alone, in your experience as a jyotishi, ever responsible for disaster? As classically prescribed or negative in a general way? > > Or is Mangal Dosh or KSY -- like Astangata dosha, just one 'fault' in the foundation which represents a " WATCH-POINT " but by itself shall not bring the Edifice down? Unless OTHER conditions prevail and overwhelm? > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat Ji, > > U will be considered fortunate if you happen to be virgo,as Manglik effcet effect will be nullifies.,For simha born people how ever sun as a ruler of the sign will not impact manglik dosha effects. > > The problems of relationships with spouse and other have to be faced by leo rooted people as they tend to be dominating,exercise their desires and seek fulfilment.leos ar think and act like rulers and spend time away from others in a indolent fashion.so in a way mangal during dasa may not act adversely as relation between mangal and surya is very in timate. > > 2.Your other issues if any can be looked into through chalit chart,divisional chart based on your original timing of birth not the corrected one.Let your purohit;s conviction be used for his own advices for tarabalam,fixing of good time for panchangam purpose. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, bharat <bharat_9m@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > bharat <bharat_9m@ ..> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:23 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. > > > > I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. > > > > I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. > > > > It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. > > > > I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. > > > > Thanks In Advance, > > Bharat > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > so sir, > > > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > > > he one is for the other. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > > 5:45AM > > > > PLANET-ÃÆ'‚ LONG-ÃÆ'‚ RASI LONG-RASI > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 149.21-ÃÆ'‚ 29.21-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 157.01-ÃÆ'‚ 7.01--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 172.43-ÃÆ'‚ 22.43-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 146.22-ÃÆ'‚ 26.22-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 219.07-ÃÆ'‚ 9.07--ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 196.36-ÃÆ'‚ 16.36-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 178.35-ÃÆ'‚ 28.35-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 234.22-ÃÆ'‚ 24.22-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 75.29--ÃÆ'‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 255.29-ÃÆ'‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 115.16-ÃÆ'‚ 25.16-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > 6:18AM > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 156.37-ÃÆ'‚ 6.37--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 157.03-ÃÆ'‚ 7.03--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 172.43-ÃÆ'‚ 22.43-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 146.24-ÃÆ'‚ 26.24-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 219.08-ÃÆ'‚ 9.08--ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 196.36-ÃÆ'‚ 16.36-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 178.36-ÃÆ'‚ 28.36-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 234.39-ÃÆ'‚ 24.39-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 75.29--ÃÆ'‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 255.29-ÃÆ'‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 115.16-ÃÆ'‚ 25.16-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > Raman Ayanama > > > > 5:45AM > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 150.48-ÃÆ'‚ 0.48--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 158.28- 8.28--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 174.1--ÃÆ'‚ 24.1--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 147.49-ÃÆ'‚ 27.49-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 220.34-ÃÆ'‚ 10.34-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 198.02-ÃÆ'‚ 18.02-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 180.02-ÃÆ'‚ 0.02--ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 235.49-ÃÆ'‚ 25.49-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 76.55--ÃÆ'‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 256.55-ÃÆ'‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 118.02-ÃÆ'‚ 28.02-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > 6:18AM > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 158.04-ÃÆ'‚ 8.04--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 158.29-ÃÆ'‚ 8.29--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 174.1--ÃÆ'‚ 24.1--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 147.5--ÃÆ'‚ 27.5--ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 220.35-ÃÆ'‚ 10.35-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 198.03-ÃÆ'‚ 18.03-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 180.02-ÃÆ'‚ 0.02--ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 236.05-ÃÆ'‚ 26.05-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 76.55--ÃÆ'‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 256.55-ÃÆ'‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 118.02-ÃÆ'‚ 28.02-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > > shown below: > > > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > > above fact. > > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > > follows: > > > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Dear Dada, What facinates is not Vanaprasthna but a dinner.So for that Iam eager to do the toil and make mole to show it to you.Provided dinner is not time bound offer. with best regards Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Fri, 12/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:10 PM  WOW Krishhnan Dada! Please SLOW down! Your reminded me of the movie my friends made me watch the other night on Bolly-channel! KRISHH, I think it was called starring the son of Rakesh Roshan (the next generation is always more flashy -- including the Kapoors but not the Bachchans so far ;-)). This Hrittik guy was flying all over the place like Superman and speaking of being [ticklish], was giving foot massages and what not, ENERGETICALLY to revive sleeping beauties! But let us not go there! We might be surrounded by MONKS and Brahmachaaris who might seek askance at the ebuliance [?] of two vanaprasthees, although the life-expectancy is not 57 years anymore, thanks to modern medicine and improved hygiene! Before Kumar-jee or even before him our other " MONITORS " return from their " CHAI-BREAK " and send us two naughty boys in the corner (in this spherical Jyotish rotunda sans corners!) -- let me return to my cacophony persistent! Show me ONE CHART with ONE SINGLE NEGATIVE factor that was responsible for a life wasted or ONE SINGLE POSITIVE factor that was responsible for a life BLESSED -- and I will personally cook dinner for you! How is that for a bit of colour from a 'painter?' Ranjak , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Rohni Ji, [typos corrected by RR!] > Very ticklish question.Joyotish [Jyotish] journeys involve tiresomeness and the contradictions in preachings and  [?] teachings. > Need to change the garb from honest services to commerce oriented service as both have different approaches. > For me Mars dosha is no dosha at all and ofcourse the long dealt KSY.I always desisit [sigh!] in making noise about yogas.yet push button jyotish orients many people to seek pointed answers for the endorsements they get from else where. > Theoritical implications of these doshas are over emphasised.as if one having problems is cursed due to these issues. > These watch points when made explicable people having doubts particulalrly Gemini and Virgo ascendants wil rue [?] less.other wise Iam afraid they tax their brains to think of these doshas and get negative orientation. what remains finally is the retarded apparoaches and negative actions. > Yeahthe [?] point you made ceratinly [?] matters for every one as b4 v [before we?] attempt to delineate and chart out some body'd ['s'?] future. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:02 PM > > >  > > > > Dada! > > Does Mangal-Dosha even exist? As described and prescribed? > > What has been your experience when you followed up on the many cases that crossed your desk in your Jyotish Journey? > > Was Mangal-Dosh alone, in your experience as a jyotishi, ever responsible for disaster? As classically prescribed or negative in a general way? > > Or is Mangal Dosh or KSY -- like Astangata dosha, just one 'fault' in the foundation which represents a " WATCH-POINT " but by itself shall not bring the Edifice down? Unless OTHER conditions prevail and overwhelm? > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat Ji, > > U will be considered fortunate if you happen to be virgo,as Manglik effcet effect will be nullifies.,For simha born people how ever sun as a ruler of the sign will not impact manglik dosha effects. > > The problems of relationships with spouse and other have to be faced by leo rooted people as they tend to be dominating,exercise their desires and seek fulfilment.leos ar think and act like rulers and spend time away from others in a indolent fashion.so in a way mangal during dasa may not act adversely as relation between mangal and surya is very in timate. > > 2.Your other issues if any can be looked into through chalit chart,divisional chart based on your original timing of birth not the corrected one.Let your purohit;s conviction be used for his own advices for tarabalam,fixing of good time for panchangam purpose. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, bharat <bharat_9m@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > bharat <bharat_9m@ ..> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:23 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. > > > > I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. > > > > I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. > > > > It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. > > > > I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. > > > > Thanks In Advance, > > Bharat > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > so sir, > > > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > > > he one is for the other. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > > 5:45AM > > > > PLANET-ÃÆ'‚ LONG-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ RASI LONG-RASI > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 149.21-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 29.21-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 157.01-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 7.01--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 172.43-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 22.43-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 146.22-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 26.22-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 219.07-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 9.07--ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 196.36-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 16.36-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 178.35-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 28.35-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 234.22-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 24.22-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 75.29--ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 255.29-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 115.16-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 25.16-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > 6:18AM > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 156.37-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 6.37--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 157.03-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 7.03--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 172.43-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 22.43-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 146.24-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 26.24-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 219.08-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 9.08--ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 196.36-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 16.36-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 178.36-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 28.36-ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 234.39-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 24.39-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 75.29--ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 255.29-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 115.16-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 25.16-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > Raman Ayanama > > > > 5:45AM > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 150.48-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 0.48--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 158.28- 8.28--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 174.1--ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 24.1--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 147.49-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 27.49-ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 220.34-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 10.34-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 198.02-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 18.02-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 180.02-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 0.02--ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 235.49-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 25.49-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 76.55--ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 256.55-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 118.02-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 28.02-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > 6:18AM > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'‚ 158.04-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 8.04--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'‚ 158.29-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 8.29--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'‚ 174.1--ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 24.1--ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'‚ 147.5--ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 27.5--ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'‚ 220.35-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 10.35-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'‚ 198.03-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 18.03-ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'‚ 180.02-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 0.02--ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'‚ 236.05-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 26.05-ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'‚ 76.55--ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'‚ 256.55-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'‚ 118.02-ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ 28.02-ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > > shown below: > > > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > > above fact. > > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > > follows: > > > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 TIME is merely a servant that shall willingly wait endlessly (or chauraasee lakh Janmas!)-- while MA prepares the dinner for us! , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > What facinates is not Vanaprasthna but a dinner.So for that Iam eager to do the toil and make mole to show it to you.Provided dinner is not time bound offer. > with best regards > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:10 PM > > >  > > > > WOW Krishhnan Dada! > > Please SLOW down! Your reminded me of the movie my friends made me watch the other night on Bolly-channel! KRISHH, I think it was called starring the son of Rakesh Roshan (the next generation is always more flashy -- including the Kapoors but not the Bachchans so far ;-)). This Hrittik guy was flying all over the place like Superman and speaking of being [ticklish], was giving foot massages and what not, ENERGETICALLY to revive sleeping beauties! But let us not go there! We might be surrounded by MONKS and Brahmachaaris who might seek askance at the ebuliance [?] of two vanaprasthees, although the life-expectancy is not 57 years anymore, thanks to modern medicine and improved hygiene! > > Before Kumar-jee or even before him our other " MONITORS " return from their " CHAI-BREAK " and send us two naughty boys in the corner (in this spherical Jyotish rotunda sans corners!) -- let me return to my cacophony persistent! > > Show me ONE CHART with ONE SINGLE NEGATIVE factor that was responsible for a life wasted or ONE SINGLE POSITIVE factor that was responsible for a life BLESSED -- and I will personally cook dinner for you! > > How is that for a bit of colour from a 'painter?' > > Ranjak > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Rohni Ji, [typos corrected by RR!] > > Very ticklish question.Joyotish [Jyotish] journeys involve tiresomeness and the contradictions in preachings and  [?] teachings. > > Need to change the garb from honest services to commerce oriented service as both have different approaches. > > For me Mars dosha is no dosha at all and ofcourse the long dealt KSY.I always desisit [sigh!] in making noise about yogas.yet push button jyotish orients many people to seek pointed answers for the endorsements they get from else where. > > Theoritical implications of these doshas are over emphasised.as if one having problems is cursed due to these issues. > > These watch points when made explicable people having doubts particulalrly Gemini and Virgo ascendants wil rue [?] less.other wise Iam afraid they tax their brains to think of these doshas and get negative orientation. what remains finally is the retarded apparoaches and negative actions. > > Yeahthe [?] point you made ceratinly [?] matters for every one as b4 v [before we?] attempt to delineate and chart out some body'd ['s'?] future. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:02 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dada! > > > > Does Mangal-Dosha even exist? As described and prescribed? > > > > What has been your experience when you followed up on the many cases that crossed your desk in your Jyotish Journey? > > > > Was Mangal-Dosh alone, in your experience as a jyotishi, ever responsible for disaster? As classically prescribed or negative in a general way? > > > > Or is Mangal Dosh or KSY -- like Astangata dosha, just one 'fault' in the foundation which represents a " WATCH-POINT " but by itself shall not bring the Edifice down? Unless OTHER conditions prevail and overwhelm? > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat Ji, > > > U will be considered fortunate if you happen to be virgo,as Manglik effcet effect will be nullifies.,For simha born people how ever sun as a ruler of the sign will not impact manglik dosha effects. > > > The problems of relationships with spouse and other have to be faced by leo rooted people as they tend to be dominating,exercise their desires and seek fulfilment.leos ar think and act like rulers and spend time away from others in a indolent fashion.so in a way mangal during dasa may not act adversely as relation between mangal and surya is very in timate. > > > 2.Your other issues if any can be looked into through chalit chart,divisional chart based on your original timing of birth not the corrected one.Let your purohit;s conviction be used for his own advices for tarabalam,fixing of good time for panchangam purpose. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, bharat <bharat_9m@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > bharat <bharat_9m@ ..> > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:23 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. > > > > > > I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. > > > > > > I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. > > > > > > It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. > > > > > > I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. > > > > > > Thanks In Advance, > > > Bharat > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > so sir, > > > > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > > > > he one is for the other. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > > > 5:45AM > > > > > PLANET-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ LONG-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ RASI LONG-RASI > > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 149.21-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 29.21-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 157.01-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 7.01--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 172.43-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 22.43-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 146.22-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 26.22-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 219.07-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 9.07--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 196.36-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 16.36-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 178.35-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 28.35-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 234.22-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 24.22-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 75.29--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 255.29-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 115.16-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 25.16-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > > 6:18AM > > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 156.37-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 6.37--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 157.03-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 7.03--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 172.43-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 22.43-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 146.24-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 26.24-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 219.08-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 9.08--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 196.36-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 16.36-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 178.36-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 28.36-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 234.39-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 24.39-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 75.29--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 255.29-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 15.29-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 115.16-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 25.16-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > > Raman Ayanama > > > > > 5:45AM > > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 150.48-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 0.48--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 158.28- 8.28--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 174.1--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 24.1--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 147.49-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 27.49-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 220.34-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 10.34-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 198.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 18.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 180.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 0.02--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 235.49-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 25.49-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 76.55--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 256.55-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 118.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 28.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > > 6:18AM > > > > > Asc--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 158.04-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 8.04--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Sun--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 158.29-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 8.29--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Merc-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 174.1--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 24.1--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kanya > > > > > Ven--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 147.5--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 27.5--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Simh > > > > > Mar--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 220.35-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 10.35-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Jup--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 198.03-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 18.03-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > > Sat--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 180.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 0.02--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Thula > > > > > Moo--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 236.05-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 26.05-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Vrischik > > > > > Rah--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 76.55--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Mithun > > > > > Ket--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 256.55-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 16.55-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Dhanu > > > > > Gul--ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 118.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ 28.02-ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Karkat > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > > > shown below: > > > > > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > > > above fact. > > > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > > > follows: > > > > > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Hi, Thanks everyone for their prompt reply and guidance. Regards, Bharat , " bharat " <bharat_9m wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks to everyone for the response and their valuable suggestions. > > I posted this question on the forum to know weather i am Manglik or not. On going through the Astrology software's (Parashara's, kundli-Pro) it has put me in doubt that which horoscope to consider. > > I inquired with the PanditJee again and he said that at the given time (24-sep-1982 05:45 AM) of birth the Lagna (Virgo) in Hissar(Haryana) was at zero degree. > > It affects the persons born at that time. Its because of that my Lagna has become 'Virgo' and not the 'Leo'. > > I will be very thankful if some one can guide me weather i am manglik or not and when are the chances for me of getting married. > > Thanks In Advance, > Bharat > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > so sir, > > " software " and " bush " r hand in hand > > he one is for the other. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 7:59 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any 'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software! ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change timing can never be able to explain. > > > we r beating the bush > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji, > > > > > > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts. > > > > > > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs? > > > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri & raman ayanamsa. > > > > > > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna. > > > > > > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that day. > > > > > > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?. > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsa. > > > 5:45AM > > > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI > > > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh > > > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya > > > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya > > > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh > > > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula > > > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya > > > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun > > > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat > > > Raman Ayanama > > > 5:45AM > > > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > 6:18AM > > > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya > > > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya > > > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya > > > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh > > > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik > > > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula > > > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula > > > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik > > > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun > > > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu > > > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji, > > > > > > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked with > > > > > > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time > > > > > > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS only. > > > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus. > > > > > > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here too > > > > > > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM > > > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers. > > > > > > what zero degree chane is he talking about? > > > > > > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe whatever he wants. > > > > > > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM > > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore. > > > > > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as > > > shown below: > > > > > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven > > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat > > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup > > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon > > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu > > > 6th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah > > > 12th House - No.4 -- --- > > > > > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there > > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider. > > > > > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the > > > above fact. > > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is > > > changed to 06:18 Am > > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM > > > Hissar(Harayana) > > > > > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as > > > follows: > > > > > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat > > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup > > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon > > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket > > > 5th House - No.10 -- --- > > > 6th House - No.11 -- --- > > > 7th House - No.12 -- --- > > > 8th House - No.1 -- --- > > > 9th House - No.2 -- --- > > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah > > > 11th House - No.4 -- --- > > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven > > > > > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Bharat > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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