Varah Mihira Vs BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman !!!

[Guest guest]

You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of 15'th august as

it's birth chart as country has been in existance since the beginning of

life on earth, Our sages had quite different appraoch in samhita

(mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places are linked to various

grahas and a graha gives different results in diferent places while

transiting same rasi.

Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and China,

countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by Varah Mihira)

are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic jyotishis of

his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both rejects

Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to MP, India.

 

In the preface given in Sarawali, in it's very first shloka Kalyan

Verman says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect concepts

introduced by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him

awesome, very very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are

present in Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern

Jyotish world is still struggling with her chart, difficulty in

understanding her chart gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's

only Sarawali that underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in

thievish manner.

 

I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish of BPHS and

further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

 

I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction given by

them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could discover and

predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some 5-6 good

jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to concurrent

jyotish world.

 

regards,

Utkal

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal ji,

//I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction given by

them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning //

If you think 3yrs of learning astrology is enough!!?i feel sorry for

myself since i have been learning last 12yrs full time and still feel

that astrology is an ocean and cant swim in one life time.Somebody was

promising predictive techniques in one minute?!!But i remain a student

of astrology for life.......but one question Did the sages ever say that

jyotish can be learnt in 3yrs?!!...

Love and regards,

gopi.

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

> You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of 15'th august

as

> it's birth chart is because, country has been in existance since the

> beginning of life on earth, Our sages had quite different appraoch in

> samhita (mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places are linked

to

> various grahas and a graha gives different results in diferent places

> while transiting same rasi.

> Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and China,

> countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by Varah Mihira)

> are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic jyotishis

of

> his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both rejects

> Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to Madhya Pradesh.

>

> In the preface given in Sarawali, in very first shloka Kalyan Verman

> says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect concepts

introduced

> by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him awesome, very

> very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are present in

> Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern Jyotish world

is

> still struggling with her chart, difficulty in understanding her chart

> gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's only Sarawali that

> underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in thievish manner.

>

> I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish of BPHS

and

> further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

>

> I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction given by

> them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could discover and

> predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some 5-6 good

> jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to

concurrent

> jyotish world.

>

> regards,

> Utkal

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gopal Ji,

 

Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion, first

involution then evolution, when heart beats to the tune of nature,

Jyotish becomes music.

 

When Jup aspects Sun, An unafflicted Sun, A Jyotishi is born, We get

divine jyoti that illuminates and guides us, we become receptive to

divine urge, Let's check power of 2nd house of Vaacha and Vitta and

Prarabdha, If one gets shubha graha (auspicious planet) or shubha

drishti, truth is the expression, you get cognition prior to occurance

of events, Unafflicted Sukra heals humanity in 2nd house, listen to

those who got Sukra or Jup or Budha in 2nd irrespective of their

knowledge of Jyotish.

 

I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do it.

 

I have not gone to any jyotish school, not gone to any guru but gained

love of those whom God sent to me, this made me uncompromising for

following duties that a person should follow if he wants to let grow

Jyoti of Jyotish within antah karan. Speaking truth fearlessly and

speaking for dharma are two basic needs for jyotish, " Satyam Bruyat " is

must " Priyam Bruyat " is choice.

 

Your's 12 year in Jyotish is true essence of life, I bow to your's

penance and perseverance.

 

Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart, who

is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?

 

Exalted moon in taurus is mostly full of pleasure, in delighted state,

it doesn't let you have cravings for Jyotish, rather, Moon in Karka or

Libra or even in Vrishika is conducive to Jyotish.

 

Luckily, I got to see those people's who are atheist to jyotish, I found

afflicted Sun, debilitated Sun, Sun cunjunct Rahu in their chart, 9'th

lord's conjunction with Ketu also distracts from path of Jyotish, It's

not mere placement or configurations, this is the karmic film on a Soul,

such karmas should be released.

 

Gayatri Mantra invigorates power for reading a chart, Sarawati Mantra

helps releasing unwanted thoughts. When Sun is in debility in transit, A

jyotish should take care twice, Most mistakes that i did in analyzing a

chart, happened when Sun was in debility or when Saturn aspected the

Sun.

 

Mantras are synonym to Jyotish, Once Swara has been an important limb

of jyotish..., Jyotish that can see the Bhugarbha.

 

I wonder how some of those who are in Jyotish get moral strength to

condemn our heritage, an heritage built by sages, Pls check where is

Rahu in their chart.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927

wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal ji,

> //I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction given

by

> them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning //

> If you think 3yrs of learning astrology is enough!!?i feel sorry for

> myself since i have been learning last 12yrs full time and still feel

> that astrology is an ocean and cant swim in one life time.Somebody was

> promising predictive techniques in one minute?!!But i remain a student

> of astrology for life.......but one question Did the sages ever say

that

> jyotish can be learnt in 3yrs?!!...

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of 15'th august

> as

> > it's birth chart is because, country has been in existance since the

> > beginning of life on earth, Our sages had quite different appraoch

in

> > samhita (mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places are linked

> to

> > various grahas and a graha gives different results in diferent

places

> > while transiting same rasi.

> > Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and China,

> > countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by Varah

Mihira)

> > are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic jyotishis

> of

> > his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both rejects

> > Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to Madhya Pradesh.

> >

> > In the preface given in Sarawali, in very first shloka Kalyan Verman

> > says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect concepts

> introduced

> > by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him awesome, very

> > very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are present

in

> > Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern Jyotish

world

> is

> > still struggling with her chart, difficulty in understanding her

chart

> > gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's only Sarawali that

> > underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in thievish manner.

> >

> > I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish of BPHS

> and

> > further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

> >

> > I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction given

by

> > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could discover and

> > predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some 5-6 good

> > jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to

> concurrent

> > jyotish world.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal ji,

//Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

first

involution then evolution,//

totally agree.But you did not tell which house represent antah karan.

//I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do it.//

if you are talking about me my chart was already discussed in this

forum.For ur info 17-9-1953@guntur(india)@6.36hrs.

//Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

who

> is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?//

you know how they are for yourself if you check my chart and i request

you to give your ownbirth data as well....good teaching.

gopi.

>

 

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

>

> Gopal Ji,

>

> Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

first

> involution then evolution, when heart beats to the tune of nature,

> Jyotish becomes music.

>

> When Jup aspects Sun, An unafflicted Sun, A Jyotishi is born, We get

> divine jyoti that illuminates and guides us, we become receptive to

> divine urge, Let's check power of 2nd house of Vaacha and Vitta and

> Prarabdha, If one gets shubha graha (auspicious planet) or shubha

> drishti, truth is the expression, you get cognition prior to occurance

> of events, Unafflicted Sukra heals humanity in 2nd house, listen to

> those who got Sukra or Jup or Budha in 2nd irrespective of their

> knowledge of Jyotish.

>

> I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do it.

>

> I have not gone to any jyotish school, not gone to any guru but gained

> love of those whom God sent to me, this made me uncompromising for

> following duties that a person should follow if he wants to let grow

> Jyoti of Jyotish within antah karan. Speaking truth fearlessly and

> speaking for dharma are two basic needs for jyotish, " Satyam Bruyat "

is

> must " Priyam Bruyat " is choice.

>

> Your's 12 year in Jyotish is true essence of life, I bow to your's

> penance and perseverance.

>

> Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

who

> is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?

>

> Exalted moon in taurus is mostly full of pleasure, in delighted

state,

> it doesn't let you have cravings for Jyotish, rather, Moon in Karka or

> Libra or even in Vrishika is conducive to Jyotish.

>

> Luckily, I got to see those people's who are atheist to jyotish, I

found

> afflicted Sun, debilitated Sun, Sun cunjunct Rahu in their chart, 9'th

> lord's conjunction with Ketu also distracts from path of Jyotish, It's

> not mere placement or configurations, this is the karmic film on a

Soul,

> such karmas should be released.

>

> Gayatri Mantra invigorates power for reading a chart, Sarawati Mantra

> helps releasing unwanted thoughts. When Sun is in debility in transit,

A

> jyotish should take care twice, Most mistakes that i did in analyzing

a

> chart, happened when Sun was in debility or when Saturn aspected the

> Sun.

>

> Mantras are synonym to Jyotish, Once Swara has been an important limb

> of jyotish..., Jyotish that can see the Bhugarbha.

>

> I wonder how some of those who are in Jyotish get moral strength to

> condemn our heritage, an heritage built by sages, Pls check where is

> Rahu in their chart.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utkal ji,

> > //I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

given

> by

> > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning //

> > If you think 3yrs of learning astrology is enough!!?i feel sorry for

> > myself since i have been learning last 12yrs full time and still

feel

> > that astrology is an ocean and cant swim in one life time.Somebody

was

> > promising predictive techniques in one minute?!!But i remain a

student

> > of astrology for life.......but one question Did the sages ever say

> that

> > jyotish can be learnt in 3yrs?!!...

> > Love and regards,

> > gopi.

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of 15'th

august

> > as

> > > it's birth chart is because, country has been in existance since

the

> > > beginning of life on earth, Our sages had quite different appraoch

> in

> > > samhita (mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places are

linked

> > to

> > > various grahas and a graha gives different results in diferent

> places

> > > while transiting same rasi.

> > > Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and China,

> > > countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by Varah

> Mihira)

> > > are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic

jyotishis

> > of

> > > his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both

rejects

> > > Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to Madhya

Pradesh.

> > >

> > > In the preface given in Sarawali, in very first shloka Kalyan

Verman

> > > says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect concepts

> > introduced

> > > by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him awesome,

very

> > > very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are present

> in

> > > Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern Jyotish

> world

> > is

> > > still struggling with her chart, difficulty in understanding her

> chart

> > > gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's only Sarawali that

> > > underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in thievish manner.

> > >

> > > I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish of

BPHS

> > and

> > > further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

> > >

> > > I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

given

> by

> > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could discover and

> > > predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some 5-6

good

> > > jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to

> > concurrent

> > > jyotish world.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Gopal Krishna Ji,

 

By my experience, 4'th house shows anahata chakra, late Sri Bipin Bihari has

also written about it in 80's decade, he was a great astrologer of his time, he

is the one who proposed to world that retro graha's aspect should be considered

from a house previous to house where a graha is placed, this concept was later

on popularized by Prof K.N Rao and other reputed astrologers.

 

regards,

Utkal

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927

 

Thu, December 17, 2009 12:49:07 PM

Re: Varah Mihira Vs BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman !!!

 

 

Dear Utkal ji,

//Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

first

involution then evolution,//

totally agree.But you did not tell which house represent antah karan.

//I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do it.//

if you are talking about me my chart was already discussed in this

forum.For ur info 17-9-1953@guntur( india)@6. 36hrs.

//Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

who

> is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?//

you know how they are for yourself if you check my chart and i request

you to give your ownbirth data as well....good teaching.

gopi.

>

 

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Gopal Ji,

>

> Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

first

> involution then evolution, when heart beats to the tune of nature,

> Jyotish becomes music.

>

> When Jup aspects Sun, An unafflicted Sun, A Jyotishi is born, We get

> divine jyoti that illuminates and guides us, we become receptive to

> divine urge, Let's check power of 2nd house of Vaacha and Vitta and

> Prarabdha, If one gets shubha graha (auspicious planet) or shubha

> drishti, truth is the expression, you get cognition prior to occurance

> of events, Unafflicted Sukra heals humanity in 2nd house, listen to

> those who got Sukra or Jup or Budha in 2nd irrespective of their

> knowledge of Jyotish.

>

> I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do it.

>

> I have not gone to any jyotish school, not gone to any guru but gained

> love of those whom God sent to me, this made me uncompromising for

> following duties that a person should follow if he wants to let grow

> Jyoti of Jyotish within antah karan. Speaking truth fearlessly and

> speaking for dharma are two basic needs for jyotish, " Satyam Bruyat "

is

> must " Priyam Bruyat " is choice.

>

> Your's 12 year in Jyotish is true essence of life, I bow to your's

> penance and perseverance.

>

> Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

who

> is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?

>

> Exalted moon in taurus is mostly full of pleasure, in delighted

state,

> it doesn't let you have cravings for Jyotish, rather, Moon in Karka or

> Libra or even in Vrishika is conducive to Jyotish.

>

> Luckily, I got to see those people's who are atheist to jyotish, I

found

> afflicted Sun, debilitated Sun, Sun cunjunct Rahu in their chart, 9'th

> lord's conjunction with Ketu also distracts from path of Jyotish, It's

> not mere placement or configurations, this is the karmic film on a

Soul,

> such karmas should be released.

>

> Gayatri Mantra invigorates power for reading a chart, Sarawati Mantra

> helps releasing unwanted thoughts. When Sun is in debility in transit,

A

> jyotish should take care twice, Most mistakes that i did in analyzing

a

> chart, happened when Sun was in debility or when Saturn aspected the

> Sun.

>

> Mantras are synonym to Jyotish, Once Swara has been an important limb

> of jyotish..., Jyotish that can see the Bhugarbha.

>

> I wonder how some of those who are in Jyotish get moral strength to

> condemn our heritage, an heritage built by sages, Pls check where is

> Rahu in their chart.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utkal ji,

> > //I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

given

> by

> > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning //

> > If you think 3yrs of learning astrology is enough!!?i feel sorry for

> > myself since i have been learning last 12yrs full time and still

feel

> > that astrology is an ocean and cant swim in one life time.Somebody

was

> > promising predictive techniques in one minute?!!But i remain a

student

> > of astrology for life.......but one question Did the sages ever say

> that

> > jyotish can be learnt in 3yrs?!!...

> > Love and regards,

> > gopi.

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of 15'th

august

> > as

> > > it's birth chart is because, country has been in existance since

the

> > > beginning of life on earth, Our sages had quite different appraoch

> in

> > > samhita (mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places are

linked

> > to

> > > various grahas and a graha gives different results in diferent

> places

> > > while transiting same rasi.

> > > Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and China,

> > > countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by Varah

> Mihira)

> > > are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic

jyotishis

> > of

> > > his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both

rejects

> > > Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to Madhya

Pradesh.

> > >

> > > In the preface given in Sarawali, in very first shloka Kalyan

Verman

> > > says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect concepts

> > introduced

> > > by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him awesome,

very

> > > very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are present

> in

> > > Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern Jyotish

> world

> > is

> > > still struggling with her chart, difficulty in understanding her

> chart

> > > gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's only Sarawali that

> > > underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in thievish manner.

> > >

> > > I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish of

BPHS

> > and

> > > further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

> > >

> > > I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

given

> by

> > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could discover and

> > > predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some 5-6

good

> > > jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to

> > concurrent

> > > jyotish world.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal ji,

according to spiritual astrology it is the 8thH that represent

anahata.To my knowledge there is only one book titled spiritual

astrology in english which mentions it and i agree with it because 8th

is one of the moksha trikona houses.Ofcourse 4th is also first one and

the ultimate is 12th.

Love and regards,

gopi.

, Utkal Panigrahi

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

> Gopal Krishna Ji,

>

> By my experience, 4'th house shows anahata chakra, late Sri Bipin

Bihari has also written about it in 80's decade, he was a great

astrologer of his time, he is the one who proposed to world that retro

graha's aspect should be considered from a house previous to house

where a graha is placed, this concept was later on popularized by Prof

K.N Rao and other reputed astrologers.

>

> regards,

> Utkal

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> gopalakrishna gopi_b927

>

> Thu, December 17, 2009 12:49:07 PM

> Re: Varah Mihira Vs BanBhatta and Kalyan

Verman !!!

>

> Â

> Dear Utkal ji,

> //Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

> first

> involution then evolution,//

> totally agree.But you did not tell which house represent antah karan.

> //I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do

it.//

> if you are talking about me my chart was already discussed in this

> forum.For ur info 17-9-1953@guntur( india)@6. 36hrs.

> //Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

> who

> > is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?//

> you know how they are for yourself if you check my chart and i request

> you to give your ownbirth data as well....good teaching.

> gopi.

> >

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

> <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gopal Ji,

> >

> > Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

> first

> > involution then evolution, when heart beats to the tune of nature,

> > Jyotish becomes music.

> >

> > When Jup aspects Sun, An unafflicted Sun, A Jyotishi is born, We get

> > divine jyoti that illuminates and guides us, we become receptive to

> > divine urge, Let's check power of 2nd house of Vaacha and Vitta and

> > Prarabdha, If one gets shubha graha (auspicious planet) or shubha

> > drishti, truth is the expression, you get cognition prior to

occurance

> > of events, Unafflicted Sukra heals humanity in 2nd house, listen to

> > those who got Sukra or Jup or Budha in 2nd irrespective of their

> > knowledge of Jyotish.

> >

> > I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do it.

> >

> > I have not gone to any jyotish school, not gone to any guru but

gained

> > love of those whom God sent to me, this made me uncompromising for

> > following duties that a person should follow if he wants to let grow

> > Jyoti of Jyotish within antah karan. Speaking truth fearlessly and

> > speaking for dharma are two basic needs for jyotish, " Satyam Bruyat "

> is

> > must " Priyam Bruyat " is choice.

> >

> > Your's 12 year in Jyotish is true essence of life, I bow to your's

> > penance and perseverance.

> >

> > Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

> who

> > is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?

> >

> > Exalted moon in taurus is mostly full of pleasure, in delighted

> state,

> > it doesn't let you have cravings for Jyotish, rather, Moon in Karka

or

> > Libra or even in Vrishika is conducive to Jyotish.

> >

> > Luckily, I got to see those people's who are atheist to jyotish, I

> found

> > afflicted Sun, debilitated Sun, Sun cunjunct Rahu in their chart,

9'th

> > lord's conjunction with Ketu also distracts from path of Jyotish,

It's

> > not mere placement or configurations, this is the karmic film on a

> Soul,

> > such karmas should be released.

> >

> > Gayatri Mantra invigorates power for reading a chart, Sarawati

Mantra

> > helps releasing unwanted thoughts. When Sun is in debility in

transit,

> A

> > jyotish should take care twice, Most mistakes that i did in

analyzing

> a

> > chart, happened when Sun was in debility or when Saturn aspected the

> > Sun.

> >

> > Mantras are synonym to Jyotish, Once Swara has been an important

limb

> > of jyotish..., Jyotish that can see the Bhugarbha.

> >

> > I wonder how some of those who are in Jyotish get moral strength to

> > condemn our heritage, an heritage built by sages, Pls check where is

> > Rahu in their chart.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > //I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

> given

> > by

> > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning //

> > > If you think 3yrs of learning astrology is enough!!?i feel sorry

for

> > > myself since i have been learning last 12yrs full time and still

> feel

> > > that astrology is an ocean and cant swim in one life time.Somebody

> was

> > > promising predictive techniques in one minute?!!But i remain a

> student

> > > of astrology for life.......but one question Did the sages ever

say

> > that

> > > jyotish can be learnt in 3yrs?!!...

> > > Love and regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of 15'th

> august

> > > as

> > > > it's birth chart is because, country has been in existance since

> the

> > > > beginning of life on earth, Our sages had quite different

appraoch

> > in

> > > > samhita (mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places are

> linked

> > > to

> > > > various grahas and a graha gives different results in diferent

> > places

> > > > while transiting same rasi.

> > > > Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and China,

> > > > countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by Varah

> > Mihira)

> > > > are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic

> jyotishis

> > > of

> > > > his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both

> rejects

> > > > Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to Madhya

> Pradesh.

> > > >

> > > > In the preface given in Sarawali, in very first shloka Kalyan

> Verman

> > > > says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect concepts

> > > introduced

> > > > by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him awesome,

> very

> > > > very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are

present

> > in

> > > > Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern Jyotish

> > world

> > > is

> > > > still struggling with her chart, difficulty in understanding her

> > chart

> > > > gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's only Sarawali

that

> > > > underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in thievish

manner.

> > > >

> > > > I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish of

> BPHS

> > > and

> > > > further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

> > > >

> > > > I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

> given

> > by

> > > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could discover

and

> > > > predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some 5-6

> good

> > > > jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to

> > > concurrent

> > > > jyotish world.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopijee and Utkaljee,

 

How can this 'debate' get settled?

 

Perhaps, what you method-process both of you would suggest and demonstrate may

result in a 'model' which myriads of similar duvidhas in jyotish can utilize for

solution!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal ji,

> according to spiritual astrology it is the 8thH that represent

> anahata.To my knowledge there is only one book titled spiritual

> astrology in english which mentions it and i agree with it because 8th

> is one of the moksha trikona houses.Ofcourse 4th is also first one and

> the ultimate is 12th.

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> , Utkal Panigrahi

> <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote:

> >

> > Gopal Krishna Ji,

> >

> > By my experience, 4'th house shows anahata chakra, late Sri Bipin

> Bihari has also written about it in 80's decade, he was a great

> astrologer of his time, he is the one who proposed to world that retro

> graha's aspect should be considered from a house previous to house

> where a graha is placed, this concept was later on popularized by Prof

> K.N Rao and other reputed astrologers.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> >

> > Thu, December 17, 2009 12:49:07 PM

> > Re: Varah Mihira Vs BanBhatta and Kalyan

> Verman !!!

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Utkal ji,

> > //Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

> > first

> > involution then evolution,//

> > totally agree.But you did not tell which house represent antah karan.

> > //I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do

> it.//

> > if you are talking about me my chart was already discussed in this

> > forum.For ur info 17-9-1953@guntur( india)@6. 36hrs.

> > //Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

> > who

> > > is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?//

> > you know how they are for yourself if you check my chart and i request

> > you to give your ownbirth data as well....good teaching.

> > gopi.

> > >

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Gopal Ji,

> > >

> > > Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of involutoion,

> > first

> > > involution then evolution, when heart beats to the tune of nature,

> > > Jyotish becomes music.

> > >

> > > When Jup aspects Sun, An unafflicted Sun, A Jyotishi is born, We get

> > > divine jyoti that illuminates and guides us, we become receptive to

> > > divine urge, Let's check power of 2nd house of Vaacha and Vitta and

> > > Prarabdha, If one gets shubha graha (auspicious planet) or shubha

> > > drishti, truth is the expression, you get cognition prior to

> occurance

> > > of events, Unafflicted Sukra heals humanity in 2nd house, listen to

> > > those who got Sukra or Jup or Budha in 2nd irrespective of their

> > > knowledge of Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do it.

> > >

> > > I have not gone to any jyotish school, not gone to any guru but

> gained

> > > love of those whom God sent to me, this made me uncompromising for

> > > following duties that a person should follow if he wants to let grow

> > > Jyoti of Jyotish within antah karan. Speaking truth fearlessly and

> > > speaking for dharma are two basic needs for jyotish, " Satyam Bruyat "

> > is

> > > must " Priyam Bruyat " is choice.

> > >

> > > Your's 12 year in Jyotish is true essence of life, I bow to your's

> > > penance and perseverance.

> > >

> > > Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your chart,

> > who

> > > is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?

> > >

> > > Exalted moon in taurus is mostly full of pleasure, in delighted

> > state,

> > > it doesn't let you have cravings for Jyotish, rather, Moon in Karka

> or

> > > Libra or even in Vrishika is conducive to Jyotish.

> > >

> > > Luckily, I got to see those people's who are atheist to jyotish, I

> > found

> > > afflicted Sun, debilitated Sun, Sun cunjunct Rahu in their chart,

> 9'th

> > > lord's conjunction with Ketu also distracts from path of Jyotish,

> It's

> > > not mere placement or configurations, this is the karmic film on a

> > Soul,

> > > such karmas should be released.

> > >

> > > Gayatri Mantra invigorates power for reading a chart, Sarawati

> Mantra

> > > helps releasing unwanted thoughts. When Sun is in debility in

> transit,

> > A

> > > jyotish should take care twice, Most mistakes that i did in

> analyzing

> > a

> > > chart, happened when Sun was in debility or when Saturn aspected the

> > > Sun.

> > >

> > > Mantras are synonym to Jyotish, Once Swara has been an important

> limb

> > > of jyotish..., Jyotish that can see the Bhugarbha.

> > >

> > > I wonder how some of those who are in Jyotish get moral strength to

> > > condemn our heritage, an heritage built by sages, Pls check where is

> > > Rahu in their chart.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > //I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

> > given

> > > by

> > > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning //

> > > > If you think 3yrs of learning astrology is enough!!?i feel sorry

> for

> > > > myself since i have been learning last 12yrs full time and still

> > feel

> > > > that astrology is an ocean and cant swim in one life time.Somebody

> > was

> > > > promising predictive techniques in one minute?!!But i remain a

> > student

> > > > of astrology for life.......but one question Did the sages ever

> say

> > > that

> > > > jyotish can be learnt in 3yrs?!!...

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > gopi.

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of 15'th

> > august

> > > > as

> > > > > it's birth chart is because, country has been in existance since

> > the

> > > > > beginning of life on earth, Our sages had quite different

> appraoch

> > > in

> > > > > samhita (mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places are

> > linked

> > > > to

> > > > > various grahas and a graha gives different results in diferent

> > > places

> > > > > while transiting same rasi.

> > > > > Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and China,

> > > > > countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by Varah

> > > Mihira)

> > > > > are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic

> > jyotishis

> > > > of

> > > > > his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both

> > rejects

> > > > > Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to Madhya

> > Pradesh.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the preface given in Sarawali, in very first shloka Kalyan

> > Verman

> > > > > says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect concepts

> > > > introduced

> > > > > by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him awesome,

> > very

> > > > > very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are

> present

> > > in

> > > > > Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern Jyotish

> > > world

> > > > is

> > > > > still struggling with her chart, difficulty in understanding her

> > > chart

> > > > > gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's only Sarawali

> that

> > > > > underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in thievish

> manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish of

> > BPHS

> > > > and

> > > > > further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

> > > > >

> > > > > I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the direction

> > given

> > > by

> > > > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could discover

> and

> > > > > predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some 5-6

> > good

> > > > > jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to

> > > > concurrent

> > > > > jyotish world.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini ji,

is there a debate?Did any debate settle astrologically or otherwise?The

debate already going on and on in this group itself will settle?All

questions only and i dont want another question......

Regards,

gopi.

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Gopijee and Utkaljee,

>

> How can this 'debate' get settled?

>

> Perhaps, what you method-process both of you would suggest and

demonstrate may result in a 'model' which myriads of similar duvidhas in

jyotish can utilize for solution!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utkal ji,

> > according to spiritual astrology it is the 8thH that represent

> > anahata.To my knowledge there is only one book titled spiritual

> > astrology in english which mentions it and i agree with it because

8th

> > is one of the moksha trikona houses.Ofcourse 4th is also first one

and

> > the ultimate is 12th.

> > Love and regards,

> > gopi.

> > , Utkal Panigrahi

> > <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gopal Krishna Ji,

> > >

> > > By my experience, 4'th house shows anahata chakra, late SriÂ

Bipin

> > Bihari has also written about it in 80's decade, he was a great

> > astrologer of his time, he is the one who proposed to world that

retro

> > graha's aspect should be considered from a house previous toÂ

house

> > where a graha is placed, this concept was later on popularized by

Prof

> > K.N Rao and other reputed astrologers.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > >

> > > Thu, December 17, 2009 12:49:07 PM

> > > Re: Varah Mihira Vs BanBhatta and Kalyan

> > Verman !!!

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > //Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of

involutoion,

> > > first

> > > involution then evolution,//

> > > totally agree.But you did not tell which house represent antah

karan.

> > > //I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do

> > it.//

> > > if you are talking about me my chart was already discussed in this

> > > forum.For ur info 17-9-1953@guntur( india)@6. 36hrs.

> > > //Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your

chart,

> > > who

> > > > is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart

?//

> > > you know how they are for yourself if you check my chart and i

request

> > > you to give your ownbirth data as well....good teaching.

> > > gopi.

> > > >

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gopal Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is born in Antah Karan or Anahat, a matter of

involutoion,

> > > first

> > > > involution then evolution, when heart beats to the tune of

nature,

> > > > Jyotish becomes music.

> > > >

> > > > When Jup aspects Sun, An unafflicted Sun, A Jyotishi is born, We

get

> > > > divine jyoti that illuminates and guides us, we become receptive

to

> > > > divine urge, Let's check power of 2nd house of Vaacha and Vitta

and

> > > > Prarabdha, If one gets shubha graha (auspicious planet) or

shubha

> > > > drishti, truth is the expression, you get cognition prior to

> > occurance

> > > > of events, Unafflicted Sukra heals humanity in 2nd house, listen

to

> > > > those who got Sukra or Jup or Budha in 2nd irrespective of their

> > > > knowledge of Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder why Jyotishi don't share their horoscope, they must do

it.

> > > >

> > > > I have not gone to any jyotish school, not gone to any guru but

> > gained

> > > > love of those whom God sent to me, this made me uncompromising

for

> > > > following duties that a person should follow if he wants to let

grow

> > > > Jyoti of Jyotish within antah karan. Speaking truth fearlessly

and

> > > > speaking for dharma are two basic needs for jyotish, " Satyam

Bruyat "

> > > is

> > > > must " Priyam Bruyat " is choice.

> > > >

> > > > Your's 12 year in Jyotish is true essence of life, I bow to

your's

> > > > penance and perseverance.

> > > >

> > > > Pls chekc how'z balance of Sani (Sat)/Guru (Jup) is in your

chart,

> > > who

> > > > is Lagna lord and what's role of Budha (Merc) in your's chart ?

> > > >

> > > > Exalted moon in taurus is mostly full of pleasure, in delighted

> > > state,

> > > > it doesn't let you have cravings for Jyotish, rather, Moon in

Karka

> > or

> > > > Libra or even in Vrishika is conducive to Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Luckily, I got to see those people's who are atheist to jyotish,

I

> > > found

> > > > afflicted Sun, debilitated Sun, Sun cunjunct Rahu in their

chart,

> > 9'th

> > > > lord's conjunction with Ketu also distracts from path of

Jyotish,

> > It's

> > > > not mere placement or configurations, this is the karmic film on

a

> > > Soul,

> > > > such karmas should be released.

> > > >

> > > > Gayatri Mantra invigorates power for reading a chart, Sarawati

> > Mantra

> > > > helps releasing unwanted thoughts. When Sun is in debility in

> > transit,

> > > A

> > > > jyotish should take care twice, Most mistakes that i did in

> > analyzing

> > > a

> > > > chart, happened when Sun was in debility or when Saturn aspected

the

> > > > Sun.

> > > >

> > > > Mantras are synonym to Jyotish, Once Swara has been an important

> > limb

> > > > of jyotish..., Jyotish that can see the Bhugarbha.

> > > >

> > > > I wonder how some of those who are in Jyotish get moral strength

to

> > > > condemn our heritage, an heritage built by sages, Pls check

where is

> > > > Rahu in their chart.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " gopalakrishna "

gopi_b927@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > //I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the

direction

> > > given

> > > > by

> > > > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning //

> > > > > If you think 3yrs of learning astrology is enough!!?i feel

sorry

> > for

> > > > > myself since i have been learning last 12yrs full time and

still

> > > feel

> > > > > that astrology is an ocean and cant swim in one life

time.Somebody

> > > was

> > > > > promising predictive techniques in one minute?!!But i remain a

> > > student

> > > > > of astrology for life.......but one question Did the sages

ever

> > say

> > > > that

> > > > > jyotish can be learnt in 3yrs?!!...

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may ask - Why I don't accept our country's chart of

15'th

> > > august

> > > > > as

> > > > > > it's birth chart is because, country has been in existance

since

> > > the

> > > > > > beginning of life on earth, Our sages had quite different

> > appraoch

> > > > in

> > > > > > samhita (mundane) jyotish, they discovered various places

are

> > > linked

> > > > > to

> > > > > > various grahas and a graha gives different results in

diferent

> > > > places

> > > > > > while transiting same rasi.

> > > > > > Saturn's influence is different in India, USA, Europe and

China,

> > > > > > countries chart, ingress chart (I suppose introduced by

Varah

> > > > Mihira)

> > > > > > are misleading, Varah Mihira was badly criticized by vedic

> > > jyotishis

> > > > > of

> > > > > > his time, If you read BanBhatta and Kalyan Verman, they both

> > > rejects

> > > > > > Varah Mihira's approach, luckily, they all belong to Madhya

> > > Pradesh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the preface given in Sarawali, in very first shloka

Kalyan

> > > Verman

> > > > > > says he has tried to filter out impure and incorrect

concepts

> > > > > introduced

> > > > > > by Varah Mihira, When I did read Sarawali, I found him

awesome,

> > > very

> > > > > > very correct, Only sarawali reveals the raj yogas that are

> > present

> > > > in

> > > > > > Smt, Indira Gandhi, otherwise, I have seen whole modern

Jyotish

> > > > world

> > > > > is

> > > > > > still struggling with her chart, difficulty in understanding

her

> > > > chart

> > > > > > gave rise to misleading Parivartana Yoga, It's only Sarawali

> > that

> > > > > > underlines Smt indira's death by bodily attack in thievish

> > manner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I didnt find Varah Mihira's work anywhere near Vedic Jyotish

of

> > > BPHS

> > > > > and

> > > > > > further studies done by BanBhatta and KalyanVerma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I took the approach of our sages, and worked in the

direction

> > > given

> > > > by

> > > > > > them therefore in total 3 yrs of my learning I could

discover

> > and

> > > > > > predict upto this level, I hope, one day there will be some

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> > > good

> > > > > > jyotish students in a team with me and we will show a way to

> > > > > concurrent

> > > > > > jyotish world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >