Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

[Guest guest]

Respected Rahul ji,

 

Lal Kitab does not recognize Rasi exaltation/debilitation instead it is the

houses [khana] which are designated as exalted or debilitated for various

planets.

 

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " rmehta1491 " <rmehta1491 wrote:

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both signs

of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who is born

right now(under this condition) will be bereft of the good effects of these

planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ? Please

explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

[Guest guest]

Rahul

 

these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely many

r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

 

well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from chandra

twice a month

 

with either of them

also the lagna will also matter

 

prashant

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rahul <rmehta1491

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

 

Respected members,

 

I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

 

Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both signs

of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who is born

right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be bereft of

the good effects of these

planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ? Please

explain.

 

rgds,

 

Rahul

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Respected Gurujans...

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumarwrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

>

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

> ________________________________

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491%40>>

> <%40>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friend,

Jupiter in Makara is almost in the final lap of so journ in the earthy sign of

saturn.By next you find jupiter out of Caricorn.

2.As you know moon as lord of cancer and 4th in natural zodiac has lot og

importance in our Veidc Astrology.

Mars as more or less as fast moving planet getting stuck up in watery sign is

not good for those who are in higher position,security forces and Police etc.

Also this position for the contry in mundane aspects not at all good.Mars as

energy planet and moon representing for mind and many other things effect

markets,climates and the borders involving security of the country

3.For natives having debilitated mars develop indifference to their own tasks

leading suddne postponements and also feel tension.

4.As far as Jupiter in the capricorn may tend the person to be indifferent to

religion.may involve in some change in habbits and friendships.Also possibly

change in their religious attitudes.

Finally these significances have little or no rlevence in dividuals unless there

are bad indications in Birth chart of these natives. 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Rahul <rmehta1491 wrote:

 

 

Rahul <rmehta1491

Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:01 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected members,

 

I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

 

Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both signs

of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who is born

right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be bereft of

the good effects of these

planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ? Please

explain.

 

rgds,

 

Rahul

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Member,

 

As Prashant ji has already stated, such combinations occurs continuesly. It will

have some implications in the lives of natives who are born during these periods

or their relatives. There is no doubt about that. But since there are hundreds

of factors that also change every minute of the day, the effect will also be

different. So you can see, it is difficult to say what would be result for all

those born now. In fact it is foolishness and lack of understanding to even

judge in a common way.

 

At the most we can say the natives were born when Gold prices increased & then

decreased and may be there were financial & political turmoil in the country.

But then there are other factors that contributed to even these phenomenon.

 

May be we can also speculate that these persons will also have some ailments

related to blood sugar, disorders of abdomen, problems with glands in the

abdomen etc at appropriate ages indicated by dasa periods, this again could be

negated by other factors / planets etc.

 

So you can see nothing conclusive could be written about such periods without

looking at specific charts.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Rahul " <rmehta1491 wrote:

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both signs

of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who is born

right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be bereft of

the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ? Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rahul,It is correct to say that nothing conclusive could be written about

such periods without looking at specific charts.Because apart from other

planetery configuration you will have to see that Jupiter  & Mars are sub lord

of which cusp and in which constellation these two planets are posited.Further

you will have to see to which houses these constellation lords signify.This

situation will be changed in every birth charts.It is more relevant to note as

to which cusps are signified by the constellation lord rather than that of

debiliated Jupiter or debiliated Mars.Yet state of debiliation of planet can't

be denied.Jupiter may cause some ailments related to blood sugar, disorders of

abdomen, problems with glands in the abdomen etc at appropriate ages indicated

by dasa periods, this again could be negated by other factors / planets etc and

Mars indicates/ causes marrital problem specially with females at

appropriate ages indicated by dasa

periods, this again could be negated by other factors / planets etc.

 With thanks & regards, 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 7:36:42 PM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

 

Dear Member,

 

As Prashant ji has already stated, such combinations occurs continuesly. It will

have some implications in the lives of natives who are born during these periods

or their relatives. There is no doubt about that. But since there are hundreds

of factors that also change every minute of the day, the effect will also be

different. So you can see, it is difficult to say what would be result for all

those born now. In fact it is foolishness and lack of understanding to even

judge in a common way.

 

At the most we can say the natives were born when Gold prices increased & then

decreased and may be there were financial & political turmoil in the country.

But then there are other factors that contributed to even these phenomenon.

 

May be we can also speculate that these persons will also have some ailments

related to blood sugar, disorders of abdomen, problems with glands in the

abdomen etc at appropriate ages indicated by dasa periods, this again could be

negated by other factors / planets etc.

 

So you can see nothing conclusive could be written about such periods without

looking at specific charts.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

, " Rahul " <rmehta1491@ ...> wrote:

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both signs

of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who is born

right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be bereft of

the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ? Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Kiran,

The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected associated or

conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects or by visionaries.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21 wrote:

 

 

Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Gurujans...

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >wrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> <% 40. com>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Respected krishnan ji

 But according to ancient classics a planet in its debilation sign becomes weak

to give any good results but if it is retro by direction it is equivalent to

exalted planet.So apart from neech bhanga conditions this is one condition in

which a planet though in debilation sign gives great results.As it can be seen

that the stock market was suffering when jup was in capricorn with rah but

conditions improved when it become became retro after when it transited to

aquarius.Though this retro movement beneficial only in case of jup as it is the

most benefic planet not for mars as the inner planets like mars,venus and mer

gives negative result when they are retro.As a planet is in its peak strength in

retrogession which can be seen in shadbala as its gets full virupas.Its a recent

research shows that a planet unless in its extreme debility according to

critical degrees doesn't gives bad result and a planet not in extreme exaltion

in accordance to

degrees doesn't give good results,moon-3 deg ,Jup-5 deg and so on.As retro

planets are not good otherwise but as we all know two negatives meet to make one

positive.I will be waiting for your reply.

 

Regards

Deep.      

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Vattem,

 

So for example Jupiter in Capricorn in the 6th and Mars in Cancer in the 12th

(hence leo ascendant). Will this constitute a neech bhanga yog?

 

-Rahul

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 12:41:17 PM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

 

Dear Mr Kiran,

The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected associated or

conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects or by visionaries.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

 

 

Respected Gurujans....

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >wrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> @ .. com <% 40. com>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Deep Ji,

Nice as this type of situatibe wise. if analysed  to know how planets behave

it goes in ling way how Jyotish guides individuals to be on precaution and  

Iam sure your question is with reference to mundane aspect but not focussed to

Inidvidal perspectives.if we can take issue in logical and issue by issue we

understand better to say that two negatives make on positive:]

Negatives :debilitation.For me debilitation of a palnet is having no strength to

give good results as per it's karakatwas.If we take cancer,it has Punravasu from

26.40 on ward,pushyami upto13.20(saturn ruled) and aslesha(13.20) all togther

making 30 deg for cancer.

At 28 deg in Aslesha nakshtra,mars is said to be in debilitation.Otherwise sign

lord moon is friend to Mars.Moon has no enemies.

2.Retrograde state:Depending on the distance between sun an dother planet

,retrograde moment occurs.It is more an optical state as the strength of the

planet is taken over by Sun as a very powerful planet interms of energy.In fact

any planet gets strength from sun,as King of Planetary Cabinet.Accordingly slow

moving outer palnets are more powerful in retrograde state than inner planets.

If an outer planet happne to be in debilitation as in the case of jupiter and

becomes retrograde too,it becomes all the more negative.Note debilitation of

jupiter at 5 deg is in a netral sign of saturn and uttarshadha 3rd

charan (ruled by sun) also enemy to sign lord saturn.here neecha avstha of

jupiter togther with retrograde state may not add to strength.

3.Coming to stock markets and Gold prices indicating economy of a country,the

paprameters for rise and fall have also to be correlated with,venus,mercury,moon

and sun's position.Also navamsa position matters.

4.Stcokmatters behaviour more or less take a global position of rise and fall as

related to economies.we need to consider from mundane perspectives.

Also when v also take nodes effect togther with planet rahu with jupiter(Guru

Chandala yoga) good for frauds,diversions,dissolutions and mergers to effect on

markets.Ala !Satyam Infotech.

5.Now 2 negatives make positives might be mathematically true but when applied

to mundane perspective that too commodity wise volatile markets it is

difficult.More so the trend of investments has not chnaged even though lending

markets are flooded with funds.Lack of intiative is the sign sinyfying

debilitation.rahu helping in misguided indices for slight improvements promoting

activity for buying and not for selling.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Biswadeep Mukherjee <sushil_biswa wrote:

 

 

Biswadeep Mukherjee <sushil_biswa

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 1:46 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected krishnan ji

 But according to ancient classics a planet in its debilation sign becomes weak

to give any good results but if it is retro by direction it is equivalent to

exalted planet.So apart from neech bhanga conditions this is one condition in

which a planet though in debilation sign gives great results.As it can be seen

that the stock market was suffering when jup was in capricorn with rah but

conditions improved when it become became retro after when it transited to

aquarius.Though this retro movement beneficial only in case of jup as it is

the most benefic planet not for mars as the inner planets like mars,venus and

mer gives negative result when they are retro.As a planet is in its peak

strength in retrogession  which can be seen in shadbala as its gets full

virupas.Its a recent research shows that a planet unless in its extreme debility

according to critical degrees doesn't gives bad result and a planet not in

extreme exaltion in accordance to

degrees doesn't give good results,moon- 3 deg ,Jup-5 deg and so on.As retro

planets are not good otherwise but as we all know two negatives meet to make one

positive.I will be waiting for your reply.

 

Regards

Deep.      

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

rahul

it is high time u provide bierth data and any info u have abt the case in terms

of events+dates good or bad

 

and what u wud want to know from it

 

we have said there r many factors that decide the course of a natives life in a

horoscope not just 2 planets and 2 placements of it

 

NOW IF we say as 6th house rules diseases, 12th house debts

or 6th enemies, controversies, competition,debts, theft/osses

 

12th hospitals, jails exile change of place to adverse or alien places if well

placed to good countries overseas...

 

what diff can thi s make to u other than make u more tense worried...

 

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Rahul Mehta <rmehta1491

 

Mon, December 14, 2009 5:55:32 AM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

 

Dear Mr Vattem,

 

So for example Jupiter in Capricorn in the 6th and Mars in Cancer in the 12th

(hence leo ascendant). Will this constitute a neech bhanga yog?

 

-Rahul

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 12:41:17 PM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Dear Mr Kiran,

The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected associated or

conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects or by visionaries.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com> wrote:

 

Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com>

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

Respected Gurujans....

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >wrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> @ . . com <% 40.

com>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

I am sure rahul is missing the point now to add some more info just on what he

ased and now ur addition to luminaries with it is a recipe for further debate

 

and as we do state many other factors come into play as he has just quoted if in

6/1 axis

 

if the luminaries are involved surely Cancer [rakshasa roga] is possible and

here can be Lung or Blood as guru+kuja r involved and Guru aspects sani for

example now in Kanya which can mean Liver or some digestive organ related cancer

if chandra or ravi join it in due course by either aspect or conjunction...

 

so where does this leave him? with no proper data to fix a reading or focus on.

 

regards

 

 

G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 11:11:17 PM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

 

Dear Mr Kiran,

The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected associated or

conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects or by visionaries.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

 

 

Respected Gurujans...

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >wrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> <% 40. com>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rahul Ji,

1.We r concerned about 6th Makara Sign and 12th Cancer from Lagna.In fact

classical talk more  in such cases as lagnadhi yoga.

2.A benific planet in 6th gives adhi yoga.Here status of planet was not given

importance as planet has to be benific.

In the case of mars being malefic and the malefic nature of 12th house might

get reduced  as per two negaitves making positives mathematically.

In terms of individuals,opportunities for foreign placments,extensive

tours,great pressure in work are the possiblitiesZ(positive side) and jupiter in

makara reducing/containing enemies,reducing debts,scope for change of

employments,opportunities for rewards are other positive ones.

 3. It can be more a case arising out of 6th and 12th houses.Both malefic

houses.In these house owned by saturn and Moon respectively,the debilitation is

at specific points.Also what matters is also the position of sign lord to know

more about neechabhanga status

If saturn in libra and moon in venus to some extent it can beconsidered

to neech bahnga condition.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Rahul Mehta <rmehta1491 wrote:

 

 

Rahul Mehta <rmehta1491

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 7:25 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr Vattem,

 

So for example Jupiter in Capricorn in the 6th and Mars in Cancer in the 12th

(hence leo ascendant). Will this constitute a neech bhanga yog?

 

-Rahul

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 12:41:17 PM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Dear Mr Kiran,

The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected associated or

conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects or by visionaries.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com> wrote:

 

Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com>

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

Respected Gurujans....

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >wrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> @ . . com <% 40.

com>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant Ji,

Certainly all these matter.it seems however by such doubts some frantic

understanding and conclusions are attempted.

1.These are all inconclusive approaches.I agree that such illogical approaches

do not lead us to any where in the absence of inherent planetary implication in

Rasi,Lagna and Navamsa chart.

2.Learned teachers have also cited about sura and asura nature as alo jeev and

nirjeev bhavas.

3.If some percieves chances of material gains ,he might have problems in other

areas with reference to self and family etc.It is finally as an assessment for

material gains vs ones own happiness and comforts at that time/phase.

4.finally dasa position and the lords involved in MD/AD/PD matter more than any

thing.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Monday, December 14, 2009, 1:10 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

I am sure rahul is missing the point now to add some more info just on what he

ased and now ur addition to luminaries with it is a recipe for further debate

 

and as we do state many other factors come into play as he has just quoted if in

6/1 axis

 

if the luminaries are involved surely Cancer [rakshasa roga] is possible and

here can be Lung or Blood as guru+kuja r involved and Guru aspects sani for

example now in Kanya which can mean Liver or some digestive organ related cancer

if chandra or ravi join it in due course by either aspect or conjunction. ..

 

so where does this leave him? with no proper data to fix a reading or focus on.

 

regards

 

G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 11:11:17 PM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Dear Mr Kiran,

The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected associated or

conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects or by visionaries.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com> wrote:

 

Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com>

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

Respected Gurujans...

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >wrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> <% 40. com>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashnat Ji,

The  probably has already got suggestions/advices on his particulars

earlier.yet he is driving with specific motives. 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Monday, December 14, 2009, 1:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

rahul

it is high time u provide bierth data and any info u have abt the case in terms

of events+dates good or bad

 

and what u wud want to know from it

 

we have said there r many factors that decide the course of a natives life in a

horoscope not just 2 planets and 2 placements of it

 

NOW IF we say as 6th house rules diseases, 12th house debts

or 6th enemies, controversies, competition, debts, theft/osses

 

12th hospitals, jails exile change of place to adverse or alien places if well

placed to good countries overseas...

 

what diff can thi s make to u other than make u more tense worried...

 

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rahul Mehta <rmehta1491 >

 

Mon, December 14, 2009 5:55:32 AM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Dear Mr Vattem,

 

So for example Jupiter in Capricorn in the 6th and Mars in Cancer in the 12th

(hence leo ascendant). Will this constitute a neech bhanga yog?

 

-Rahul

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Sun, December 13, 2009 12:41:17 PM

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Dear Mr Kiran,

The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected associated or

conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects or by visionaries.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com> wrote:

 

Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com>

Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

 

Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

 

Respected Gurujans....

 

Pranams..

 

If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

 

Usha Kiran

 

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >wrote:

 

>

>

> Rahul

>

> these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world surely

> many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty influences

> combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final outcome

>

> well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> chandra twice a month

>

> with either of them

> also the lagna will also matter

>

> prashant

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

> Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

> birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

> folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> ICAS.

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> @ . . com <% 40.

com>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

>

> Respected members,

>

> I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

>

> Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that anyone who

> is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!) will be

> bereft of the good effects of these

> planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> Please

> explain.

>

> rgds,

>

> Rahul

>

>

[Guest guest]

/*klim krishna klim*/

Dear Usha

 

By itself no. Malefics when neecha in kendra brings lot of money, but

also they can give lot of stressful situations in life, especially in

periods when Rasi dasa is in kendra or Dasa Lord is one of the planet.

 

You will find the conditions for neech-bhanga in below link:

http://rohinaa.com/om/index.php/publications/compilations/119-vocabulary

 

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

SJC Jyotish Guru

--------------

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www.rohinaa.com

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Vattem Krishnan pisze:

>

>

> Dear Prashant Ji,

> Certainly all these matter.it seems however by such doubts some

> frantic understanding and conclusions are attempted.

> 1.These are all inconclusive approaches.I agree that such illogical

> approaches do not lead us to any where in the absence of inherent

> planetary implication in Rasi,Lagna and Navamsa chart.

> 2.Learned teachers have also cited about sura and asura nature as alo

> jeev and nirjeev bhavas.

> 3.If some percieves chances of material gains ,he might have problems

> in other areas with reference to self and family etc.It is finally as

> an assessment for material gains vs ones own happiness and comforts at

> that time/phase.

> 4.finally dasa position and the lords involved in MD/AD/PD matter more

> than any thing.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

>

> --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

> <gbp_kumar%40>> wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

> <gbp_kumar%40>>

> Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

> <%40>

> Monday, December 14, 2009, 1:10 AM

>

>

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> I am sure rahul is missing the point now to add some more info just on

> what he ased and now ur addition to luminaries with it is a recipe for

> further debate

>

> and as we do state many other factors come into play as he has just

> quoted if in 6/1 axis

>

> if the luminaries are involved surely Cancer [rakshasa roga] is

> possible and here can be Lung or Blood as guru+kuja r involved and

> Guru aspects sani for example now in Kanya which can mean Liver or

> some digestive organ related cancer if chandra or ravi join it in due

> course by either aspect or conjunction. ..

>

> so where does this leave him? with no proper data to fix a reading or

> focus on.

>

> regards

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> method=reportRow s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Sun, December 13, 2009 11:11:17 PM

> Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

> Dear Mr Kiran,

> The bhanga aspect arises if these neecha plantes are aspected

> associated or conjoined by benific planets in exaltation ar by aspects

> or by visionaries.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com> wrote:

>

> Usha Kiran Gudur <devirani21@ gmail. com>

> Re: Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

>

> Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:07 AM

>

> Respected Gurujans...

>

> Pranams..

>

> If two neecha planets aspect each other, is there neecha bhanga between

> them? Like Jupitor in Capricorn and Mars in cancer aspecting each other?

>

> Usha Kiran

>

> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar (AT) (DOT)

> com>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Rahul

> >

> > these combinations have happened several thousand times in the world

> surely

> > many r born, many more will be born what abt the other planerty

> influences

> > combinations, aspects there r many more factors in shaping the final

> outcome

> >

> > well here for some time rah-ket axis too was there

> > u will also find ravi budha, sukra also participating in it apart from

> > chandra twice a month

> >

> > with either of them

> > also the lagna will also matter

> >

> > prashant

> > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ

> from non

> > Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to

> verify ur

> > birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the

> Pictures

> > folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

> > Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

> > Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member

> > ICAS.

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Rahul <rmehta1491 <rmehta1491% 40> >

> > <%

> 40. com>

> > Sun, December 13, 2009 12:31:51 PM

> > Mars in Cancer and Jupiter in capricorn

> >

> >

> > Respected members,

> >

> > I am new to this group and to astrology and have a very basic question.

> >

> > Right now Mars is transiting cancer and Jupiter Capricorn which are both

> > signs of debility for the Jupiter and Cancer. Does it mean that

> anyone who

> > is born right now(under this condition and there must be thousands!)

> will be

> > bereft of the good effects of these

> > planets? Can there be a combination where this might actually be good ?

> > Please

> > explain.

> >

> > rgds,

> >

> > Rahul

> >

> >