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This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody will get

clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

 

 

If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on a

person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just a light.

Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you attribute a godly

character to the traffic light pole and starts worshipping it or think that

there is a mystery in it. Then it is the lack of true knowledge and

understanding. That is why, about 2500 years ago Lord Buddha said " Kim

Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It is not stars doing any thing to

you. It is your own actions and the reactions of past actions (Karmas) are

shaping your destiny. Your true savior is none but yourself as it is your duty

to steer your life on the correct path.

 

Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

 

Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful almighty

one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject of discussion, I

do not exclude the possibility of that there could be (Now we call them as ET's

and those days Deities or Angels) highly evolved powerful entities (and also

some lowly evolved but powerful entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true

scientist will never ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible.

Remember, that a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier than the

air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the universe, what we have

discovered and rationally understood is similar to a grain of sand. If you find

something mysterious or something which is hard to explain, that does not mean

it is not happening or it is impossible to happen. But that means our current

understanding, senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed

enough to detect, measure and understand the phenomenon.

 

 

As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite saying.

Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately. As I said in the

previous example, even when the green light is shining you can not give a

hundred present guarantee of safe passage as accidents may occur due to various

other reasons. Life is a very complex thing many influencing factors are taking

part during the course of a persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just

like clouds and weather patterns.

 

Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the course of a

life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha - The meaning of

word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human intellect) can predict with

100% surety about course of a life of a person.

 

Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas are it is

difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary intellect.

 

With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to do it

fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies, though not

always but sometimes suggest different methods or interpretations in regard to

the same thing. For an example in regard to Planetary periods or Dashas, there

are a number of methods suggested, Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

 

Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of the of the

past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can be achieved by a

good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest is pure chance. (If

anybody says he can do better than that and can always give 100% correct

predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a new Buddha. Apart from the

Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the epoch, an another additional Buddha

had seems to be some how appeared on earth).

 

No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of astrology well and

has a reputation to protect will never mislead people who do not know astrology

and dare to say that he or she can give perfect 100% accurate predictions.

 

It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the production

line, a good master engineer will never give a 100% guarantee, say to cross a

desert alone and without taking any spare parts. Because he knows very well what

many things can go wrong and how many brand new vehicles had been recalled due

to various defects. But at the same time a foolish driver who may even do not

know how to change a plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing

the desert or even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

 

Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to interpret

the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses, Astrology should be

treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is not always 100%. But nobody

should center his life on Astrology alone. Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord

Buddha had always advised a person must take the middle path.

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Dear xtecc1109,

 

A very good article and repeated several times over, and sounding like the

predictions of weather departments - may or may not rain - so you may carry an

umbrella or not choose to, it is upto you.

 

Such messages are a common " thing " on the internet and do not require much

intelligence to copy & paste and may be prune a little. We also do find a lot of

people around us who hold such views.

 

It is perhaps the english usage of the word " Astrology " that confuses you. If

you understand the real essence of the original term " jyotisha " which is " Jyoti "

+ " ksha " meaning - a light for the eyes to see in the dark, a small beckon, that

will help you in times of darkness,  it will not be that confusing. However,

to understand the implication of the what essence means, one may have to go

through such dark times once or twice in their life time, to know how dreadfull

it is. It is only a starved person can tell what hunger is. But a person with

a little knowledge of any language can write large scripts, without touching

base, pushing others far deeper into comfusions.

 

Before commenting to the above, sit back and think deeper, how far it is going

to help others who are groping in the darkness and perplexed without knowing

what to do.     

 

Thank you for such En lightning message  

Perhaps you can stop the confusion by throwing some of that light on your real

name and what you are - to be honest 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

xtec1109 <xtec1109

 

Thu, December 17, 2009 12:00:25 PM

Vedic Astrology....Yes or No

 

 

 

This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody will get

clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

 

If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on a

person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just a light.

Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you attribute a godly

character to the traffic light pole and starts worshipping it or think that

there is a mystery in it. Then it is the lack of true knowledge and

understanding. That is why, about 2500 years ago Lord Buddha said " Kim

Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It is not stars doing any thing to

you. It is your own actions and the reactions of past actions (Karmas) are

shaping your destiny. Your true savior is none but yourself as it is your duty

to steer your life on the correct path.

 

Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

 

Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful almighty

one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject of discussion, I

do not exclude the possibility of that there could be (Now we call them as ET's

and those days Deities or Angels) highly evolved powerful entities (and also

some lowly evolved but powerful entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true

scientist will never ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible.

Remember, that a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier than the

air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the universe, what we have

discovered and rationally understood is similar to a grain of sand. If you find

something mysterious or something which is hard to explain, that does not mean

it is not happening or it is impossible to happen. But that means our current

understanding,

senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed enough to detect,

measure and understand the phenomenon.

 

As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite saying.

Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately. As I said in the

previous example, even when the green light is shining you can not give a

hundred present guarantee of safe passage as accidents may occur due to various

other reasons. Life is a very complex thing many influencing factors are taking

part during the course of a persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just

like clouds and weather patterns.

 

Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the course of a

life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha - The meaning of

word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human intellect) can predict with

100% surety about course of a life of a person.

 

Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas are it is

difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary intellect.

 

With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to do it

fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies, though not

always but sometimes suggest different methods or interpretations in regard to

the same thing. For an example in regard to Planetary periods or Dashas, there

are a number of methods suggested, Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

 

Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of the of the

past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can be achieved by a

good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest is pure chance. (If

anybody says he can do better than that and can always give 100% correct

predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a new Buddha. Apart from the

Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the epoch, an another additional Buddha

had seems to be some how appeared on earth).

 

No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of astrology well and

has a reputation to protect will never mislead people who do not know astrology

and dare to say that he or she can give perfect 100% accurate predictions.

 

It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the production

line, a good master engineer will never give a 100% guarantee, say to cross a

desert alone and without taking any spare parts. Because he knows very well what

many things can go wrong and how many brand new vehicles had been recalled due

to various defects. But at the same time a foolish driver who may even do not

know how to change a plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing

the desert or even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

 

Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to interpret

the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses, Astrology should be

treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is not always 100%. But nobody

should center his life on Astrology alone. Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord

Buddha had always advised a person must take the middle path.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Friend,

SUch message are not very uncommon as mentioned  by Shri Sursh Ji.What however

is to cite at the end of the message of Lord  Buddhaa's preaching and it's

relevance.

Even If I concur with whole or part of your endeavour how in the topic you

thought fit to suggest: "  As Lord Buddha had always advised a person must take

the middle path. "

There are many seers and sages b4 and after Buddha suggested to avoid

extreemities(too much faith and no faith,reliable,not relaible etc)

Many would like to say YES for vedic astrology in what ever it can help and

guide for many reasons.

peopl say no dut to misguidance and ignorance.

 

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Vedic Astrology....Yes or No

 

Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear xtecc1109,

 

A very good article and repeated several times over, and sounding like the

predictions of weather departments - may or may not rain - so you may carry an

umbrella or not choose to, it is upto you.

 

Such messages are a common " thing " on the internet and do not require much

intelligence to copy & paste and may be prune a little. We also do find a lot of

people around us who hold such views.

 

It is perhaps the english usage of the word " Astrology " that confuses you. If

you understand the real essence of the original term " jyotisha " which is " Jyoti "

+ " ksha " meaning - a light for the eyes to see in the dark, a small beckon, that

will help you in times of darkness,  it will not be that confusing. However,

to understand the implication of the what essence means, one may have to go

through such dark times once or twice in their life time, to know how dreadfull

it is. It is only a starved person can tell what hunger is. But a person with

a little knowledge of any language can write large scripts, without touching

base, pushing others far deeper into comfusions.

 

Before commenting to the above, sit back and think deeper, how far it is going

to help others who are groping in the darkness and perplexed without knowing

what to do.     

 

Thank you for such En lightning message  

Perhaps you can stop the confusion by throwing some of that light on your real

name and what you are - to be honest 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

xtec1109 <xtec1109 >

 

Thu, December 17, 2009 12:00:25 PM

Vedic Astrology... .Yes or No

 

 

 

This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody will get

clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

 

If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on a

person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just a light.

Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you attribute a godly

character to the traffic light pole and starts worshipping it or think that

there is a mystery in it. Then it is the lack of true knowledge and

understanding. That is why, about 2500 years ago Lord Buddha said " Kim

Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It is not stars doing any thing to

you. It is your own actions and the reactions of past actions (Karmas) are

shaping your destiny. Your true savior is none but yourself as it is your duty

to steer your life on the correct path.

 

Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

 

Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful almighty

one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject of discussion, I

do not exclude the possibility of that there could be (Now we call them as ET's

and those days Deities or Angels) highly evolved powerful entities (and also

some lowly evolved but powerful entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true

scientist will never ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible.

Remember, that a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier than the

air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the universe, what we have

discovered and rationally understood is similar to a grain of sand. If you find

something mysterious or something which is hard to explain, that does not mean

it is not happening or it is impossible to happen. But that means our current

understanding,

senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed enough to detect,

measure and understand the phenomenon.

 

As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite saying.

Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately. As I said in the

previous example, even when the green light is shining you can not give a

hundred present guarantee of safe passage as accidents may occur due to various

other reasons. Life is a very complex thing many influencing factors are taking

part during the course of a persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just

like clouds and weather patterns.

 

Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the course of a

life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha - The meaning of

word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human intellect) can predict with

100% surety about course of a life of a person.

 

Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas are it is

difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary intellect.

 

With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to do it

fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies, though not

always but sometimes suggest different methods or interpretations in regard to

the same thing. For an example in regard to Planetary periods or Dashas, there

are a number of methods suggested, Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

 

Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of the of the

past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can be achieved by a

good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest is pure chance. (If

anybody says he can do better than that and can always give 100% correct

predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a new Buddha. Apart from the

Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the epoch, an another additional Buddha

had seems to be some how appeared on earth).

 

No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of astrology well and

has a reputation to protect will never mislead people who do not know astrology

and dare to say that he or she can give perfect 100% accurate predictions.

 

It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the production

line, a good master engineer will never give a 100% guarantee, say to cross a

desert alone and without taking any spare parts. Because he knows very well what

many things can go wrong and how many brand new vehicles had been recalled due

to various defects. But at the same time a foolish driver who may even do not

know how to change a plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing

the desert or even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

 

Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to interpret

the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses, Astrology should be

treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is not always 100%. But nobody

should center his life on Astrology alone. Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord

Buddha had always advised a person must take the middle path.

 

 

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The Middle Path of Buddha is misinterpreted by those who hate the Vedic

path consisting of Tapasya, Brahmacharya, Indriyanigraha, etc, which

was followed by The Buddha himself. The Buddha was himself a great

Tapasvi. But The Buddha had said that his true preaching will be lost

after five centuries. During post Christian centries, most of the

Bhikshus in caves built with royal money entertained themselves with

paintings and sculptures of semi-naked women. This was not the original

Middle Path.

 

Gita also extols the virtues of Tapa but forbids undue mortification of

body. This is real Middle Path. Middle path is not half sin and half

virtue, or half glass of wine in half glass of milk, or making paintings

of women half naked and half clad.

 

No mortal can consistently make 100% correct predictions, even if all

mathematical tables and charts are correctl;y drawn either manually or

by means of computer. It is because of the amount and complexity of

secondary data. But 100% correct method is already present in Jyotisha.

This method, however, cannot become universally popular because a large

majority of people in Kaliyuga do not deserve it. My personal experience

is that I fail to make correct predictions for those who are great

sinners, God helps me in making good predictions only when the Jaataka

is pious enough.

 

-VJ

================= ====

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

> SUch message are not very uncommon as mentioned by Shri Sursh

Ji.What however is to cite at the end of the message of LordÂ

 Buddhaa's preaching and it's relevance.

> Even If I concur with whole or part of your endeavour how in the topic

you thought fit to suggest: " Â As Lord Buddha had always advised a

person must take the middle path. "

> There are many seers and sages b4 and after Buddha suggested to avoid

extreemities(too much faith and no faith,reliable,not relaible etc)

> Many would like to say YES for vedic astrology in what ever it can

help and guide for many reasons.

> peopl say no dut to misguidance and ignorance.

>

>

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag

> Re: Vedic Astrology....Yes or No

>

> Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:17 AM

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

> Dear xtecc1109,

>

> A very good article and repeated several times over, and sounding like

the predictions of weather departments - may or may not rain - so you

may carry an umbrella or not choose to, it is upto you.

>

> Such messages are a common " thing " on the internet and do not require

much intelligence to copy & paste and may be prune a little. We also do

find a lot of people around us who hold such views.

>

> It is perhaps the english usage of the word " Astrology " that

confuses you. If you understand the real essence of the original term

" jyotisha " which is " Jyoti " + " ksha " meaning - a light for the eyes to

see in the dark, a small beckon, that will help you in times of

darkness,  it will not be that confusing. However, to understand

the implication of the what essence means, one may have to go through

such dark times once or twice in their life time, to know how dreadfull

it is. It is only a starved person can tell what hunger is. But

a person with a little knowledge of any language can write large

scripts, without touching base, pushing others far deeper into

comfusions.

>

> Before commenting to the above, sit back and think deeper, how far

it is going to help others who are groping in the darkness and

perplexed without knowing what to do. Â Â Â Â

>

> Thank you for such En lightning message Â

> Perhaps you can stop the confusion by throwing some of that light on

your real name and what you are - to be honestÂ

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> xtec1109 xtec1109 >

>

> Thu, December 17, 2009 12:00:25 PM

> Vedic Astrology... .Yes or No

>

> Â

>

> This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody

will get clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

>

> If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on

a person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just

a light. Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you

attribute a godly character to the traffic light pole and starts

worshipping it or think that there is a mystery in it. Then it is the

lack of true knowledge and understanding. That is why, about 2500 years

ago Lord Buddha said " Kim Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It

is not stars doing any thing to you. It is your own actions and the

reactions of past actions (Karmas) are shaping your destiny. Your true

savior is none but yourself as it is your duty to steer your life on the

correct path.

>

> Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

>

> Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful

almighty one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject

of discussion, I do not exclude the possibility of that there could be

(Now we call them as ET's and those days Deities or Angels) highly

evolved powerful entities (and also some lowly evolved but powerful

entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true scientist will never

ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible. Remember, that

a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier

than the air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the

universe, what we have discovered and rationally understood is similar

to a grain of sand. If you find something mysterious or something which

is hard to explain, that does not mean it is not happening or it is

impossible to happen. But that means our current understanding,

> senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed enough to

detect, measure and understand the phenomenon.

>

> As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite

saying. Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately.

As I said in the previous example, even when the green light is shining

you can not give a hundred present guarantee of safe passage as

accidents may occur due to various other reasons. Life is a very complex

thing many influencing factors are taking part during the course of a

persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just like clouds and

weather patterns.

>

> Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the

course of a life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha

- The meaning of word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human

intellect) can predict with 100% surety about course of a life of a

person.

>

> Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas

are it is difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary

intellect.

>

> With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to

do it fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies,

though not always but sometimes suggest different methods or

interpretations in regard to the same thing. For an example in regard to

Planetary periods or Dashas, there are a number of methods suggested,

Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

>

> Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of

the of the past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can

be achieved by a good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest

is pure chance. (If anybody says he can do better than that and can

always give 100% correct predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a

new Buddha. Apart from the Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the

epoch, an another additional Buddha had seems to be some how appeared on

earth).

>

> No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of

astrology well and has a reputation to protect will never mislead people

who do not know astrology and dare to say that he or she can give

perfect 100% accurate predictions.

>

> It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the

production line, a good master engineer will never give a 100%

guarantee, say to cross a desert alone and without taking any spare

parts. Because he knows very well what many things can go wrong and how

many brand new vehicles had been recalled due to various defects. But at

the same time a foolish driver who may even do not know how to change a

plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing the desert or

even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

>

> Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to

interpret the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses,

Astrology should be treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is

not always 100%. But nobody should center his life on Astrology alone.

Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord Buddha had always advised a person

must take the middle path.

>

>

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Dear Shri Jha Ji,

In case th thread is meant to obtain a opinion poll,our assertions/ views become

out of place in that context.In any case it is not as it is an directed to

believers and non believers to know some thing more about vedic astrology

In the context of getting involved in the JR and else where  we venture 2 deal

with the intention to be as honest and as sincere as human being can.

It is ofcourse a matter of debate seprately to be dealt about kaliyuga and then

make any judgemenet as you mentioned //largemajority of people in Kaliyuga do

not deserve it//

Yet we need to think ourselves whether we are in that position to make or not?

2.It is heartening to hear about the capbilities of this great reverred science

in this modern age where people are more for materail approaches have also ways

to believe firmly that there are ways and means one can attempt to

make:.  //100% correct method is already present in Jyotisha// and understand

first.That way nothing is is impossible if only we strive to know and work in

the direction.

My only reservation is about " also " added in your conviction//Gita also extols

the virtues of Tapa.............. This is real Middle Path.

There is always a middle path that gives time and space to analyses and assess

strength of weakness of any thing.

Lord Buddha considered as avatar and professing about 'middle patha " is no

different than already cited in the Gita,the sacred book for one and all.

Finally the concern about the present understanding in the " college drop

outs " and others who are not willing to take responsibility for their body and

mind,the computer has become easy to shoot any thing to the Internet media and

also question their veracity after receiving the suggestions and advices.

I am really worried and would not also like to be considered that these

opinions/advices culled out from Vedic Jyotish considered as " spam " .

Your message therefore encourages those who are interested to learn vedic

jyotish and work sincerely to guide men and matters to the extent possible.

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

VJha <vinayjhaa16

Re: Vedic Astrology....Yes or No

 

Thursday, December 17, 2009, 6:36 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Middle Path of Buddha is misinterpreted by those who hate the Vedic

path consisting of Tapasya, Brahmacharya, Indriyanigraha, etc, which

was followed by The Buddha himself. The Buddha was himself a great

Tapasvi. But The Buddha had said that his true preaching will be lost

after five centuries. During post Christian centries, most of the

Bhikshus in caves built with royal money entertained themselves with

paintings and sculptures of semi-naked women. This was not the original

Middle Path.

 

Gita also extols the virtues of Tapa but forbids undue mortification of

body. This is real Middle Path. Middle path is not half sin and half

virtue, or half glass of wine in half glass of milk, or making paintings

of women half naked and half clad.

 

No mortal can consistently make 100% correct predictions, even if all

mathematical tables and charts are correctl;y drawn either manually or

by means of computer. It is because of the amount and complexity of

secondary data. But 100% correct method is already present in Jyotisha.

This method, however, cannot become universally popular because a large

majority of people in Kaliyuga do not deserve it. My personal experience

is that I fail to make correct predictions for those who are great

sinners, God helps me in making good predictions only when the Jaataka

is pious enough.

 

-VJ

============ ===== ====

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

> SUch message are not very uncommon as mentioned by Shri Sursh

Ji.What however is to cite at the end of the message of LordÂ

 Buddhaa's preaching and it's relevance.

> Even If I concur with whole or part of your endeavour how in the topic

you thought fit to suggest: " Â As Lord Buddha had always advised a

person must take the middle path. "

> There are many seers and sages b4 and after Buddha suggested to avoid

extreemities( too much faith and no faith,reliable, not relaible etc)

> Many would like to say YES for vedic astrology in what ever it can

help and guide for many reasons.

> peopl say no dut to misguidance and ignorance.

>

>

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag@ ... wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag@ ...

> Re: Vedic Astrology... .Yes or No

>

> Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:17 AM

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

> Dear xtecc1109,

>

> A very good article and repeated several times over, and sounding like

the predictions of weather departments - may or may not rain - so you

may carry an umbrella or not choose to, it is upto you.

>

> Such messages are a common " thing " on the internet and do not require

much intelligence to copy & paste and may be prune a little. We also do

find a lot of people around us who hold such views.

>

> It is perhaps the english usage of the word " Astrology " that

confuses you. If you understand the real essence of the original term

" jyotisha " which is " Jyoti " + " ksha " meaning - a light for the eyes to

see in the dark, a small beckon, that will help you in times of

darkness,  it will not be that confusing. However, to understand

the implication of the what essence means, one may have to go through

such dark times once or twice in their life time, to know how dreadfull

it is. It is only a starved person can tell what hunger is. But

a person with a little knowledge of any language can write large

scripts, without touching base, pushing others far deeper into

comfusions.

>

> Before commenting to the above, sit back and think deeper, how far

it is going to help others who are groping in the darkness and

perplexed without knowing what to do. Â Â Â Â

>

> Thank you for such En lightning message Â

> Perhaps you can stop the confusion by throwing some of that light on

your real name and what you are - to be honestÂ

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> xtec1109 xtec1109 >

>

> Thu, December 17, 2009 12:00:25 PM

> Vedic Astrology... .Yes or No

>

> Â

>

> This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody

will get clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

>

> If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on

a person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just

a light. Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you

attribute a godly character to the traffic light pole and starts

worshipping it or think that there is a mystery in it. Then it is the

lack of true knowledge and understanding. That is why, about 2500 years

ago Lord Buddha said " Kim Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It

is not stars doing any thing to you. It is your own actions and the

reactions of past actions (Karmas) are shaping your destiny. Your true

savior is none but yourself as it is your duty to steer your life on the

correct path.

>

> Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

>

> Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful

almighty one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject

of discussion, I do not exclude the possibility of that there could be

(Now we call them as ET's and those days Deities or Angels) highly

evolved powerful entities (and also some lowly evolved but powerful

entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true scientist will never

ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible. Remember, that

a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier

than the air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the

universe, what we have discovered and rationally understood is similar

to a grain of sand. If you find something mysterious or something which

is hard to explain, that does not mean it is not happening or it is

impossible to happen. But that means our current understanding,

> senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed enough to

detect, measure and understand the phenomenon.

>

> As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite

saying. Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately.

As I said in the previous example, even when the green light is shining

you can not give a hundred present guarantee of safe passage as

accidents may occur due to various other reasons. Life is a very complex

thing many influencing factors are taking part during the course of a

persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just like clouds and

weather patterns.

>

> Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the

course of a life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha

- The meaning of word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human

intellect) can predict with 100% surety about course of a life of a

person.

>

> Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas

are it is difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary

intellect.

>

> With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to

do it fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies,

though not always but sometimes suggest different methods or

interpretations in regard to the same thing. For an example in regard to

Planetary periods or Dashas, there are a number of methods suggested,

Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

>

> Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of

the of the past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can

be achieved by a good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest

is pure chance. (If anybody says he can do better than that and can

always give 100% correct predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a

new Buddha. Apart from the Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the

epoch, an another additional Buddha had seems to be some how appeared on

earth).

>

> No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of

astrology well and has a reputation to protect will never mislead people

who do not know astrology and dare to say that he or she can give

perfect 100% accurate predictions.

>

> It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the

production line, a good master engineer will never give a 100%

guarantee, say to cross a desert alone and without taking any spare

parts. Because he knows very well what many things can go wrong and how

many brand new vehicles had been recalled due to various defects. But at

the same time a foolish driver who may even do not know how to change a

plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing the desert or

even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

>

> Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to

interpret the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses,

Astrology should be treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is

not always 100%. But nobody should center his life on Astrology alone.

Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord Buddha had always advised a person

must take the middle path.

>

>

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Dear Vinay_jee,

 

You are a very intelligent, well-read and from what I have heard from you a very

accomplished (intellectually, and spiritually) being, so now I am a bit confused

or at least taken aback when you now write:

 

" No mortal can consistently make 100% correct predictions, even if all

mathematical tables and charts are correctl;y drawn either manually or by means

of computer. It is because of the amount and complexity of secondary data. But

100% correct method is already present in Jyotisha.

 

This method, however, cannot become universally popular because a large majority

of people in Kaliyuga do not deserve it. My personal experience is that I fail

to make correct predictions for those who are great sinners, God helps me in

making good predictions only when the Jaataka is pious enough. "

 

Then why worry about:

 

1. Insisting that there is a 100% perfect system which only rests on belief and

cannot ever be demonstrated because no Human being can be 100% accurate! Is that

what they mean when they call something a paradox or 'catch-22'?

 

AND...

 

2. If people in Kaliyuga, mostly sinners by your understanding do not DESERVE to

have their horoscopes read and deciphered and so on, why did Parashara

specifically create this elaborate system called Ashtakavarga and specifically

dedicate it and gift it to Kaliyugis? OR perhaps it was an intrusion into the

Holy Original Version of BPHS by some " Latter-Day-Saint? " , borrowing the term

from a religious sect?

 

What am I missing, in the logic that is being discussed here...?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> The Middle Path of Buddha is misinterpreted by those who hate the Vedic

> path consisting of Tapasya, Brahmacharya, Indriyanigraha, etc, which

> was followed by The Buddha himself. The Buddha was himself a great

> Tapasvi. But The Buddha had said that his true preaching will be lost

> after five centuries. During post Christian centries, most of the

> Bhikshus in caves built with royal money entertained themselves with

> paintings and sculptures of semi-naked women. This was not the original

> Middle Path.

>

> Gita also extols the virtues of Tapa but forbids undue mortification of

> body. This is real Middle Path. Middle path is not half sin and half

> virtue, or half glass of wine in half glass of milk, or making paintings

> of women half naked and half clad.

>

> No mortal can consistently make 100% correct predictions, even if all

> mathematical tables and charts are correctl;y drawn either manually or

> by means of computer. It is because of the amount and complexity of

> secondary data. But 100% correct method is already present in Jyotisha.

> This method, however, cannot become universally popular because a large

> majority of people in Kaliyuga do not deserve it. My personal experience

> is that I fail to make correct predictions for those who are great

> sinners, God helps me in making good predictions only when the Jaataka

> is pious enough.

>

> -VJ

> ================= ====

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> > SUch message are not very uncommon as mentioned by Shri Sursh

> Ji.What however is to cite at the end of the message of LordÂ

> Â Buddhaa's preaching and it's relevance.

> > Even If I concur with whole or part of your endeavour how in the topic

> you thought fit to suggest: " Â As Lord Buddha had always advised a

> person must take the middle path. "

> > There are many seers and sages b4 and after Buddha suggested to avoid

> extreemities(too much faith and no faith,reliable,not relaible etc)

> > Many would like to say YES for vedic astrology in what ever it can

> help and guide for many reasons.

> > peopl say no dut to misguidance and ignorance.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

> Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Â

> >

> > --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag@

> > Re: Vedic Astrology....Yes or No

> >

> > Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:17 AM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear xtecc1109,

> >

> > A very good article and repeated several times over, and sounding like

> the predictions of weather departments - may or may not rain - so you

> may carry an umbrella or not choose to, it is upto you.

> >

> > Such messages are a common " thing " on the internet and do not require

> much intelligence to copy & paste and may be prune a little. We also do

> find a lot of people around us who hold such views.

> >

> > It is perhaps the english usage of the word " Astrology " that

> confuses you. If you understand the real essence of the original term

> " jyotisha " which is " Jyoti " + " ksha " meaning - a light for the eyes to

> see in the dark, a small beckon, that will help you in times of

> darkness,  it will not be that confusing. However, to understand

> the implication of the what essence means, one may have to go through

> such dark times once or twice in their life time, to know how dreadfull

> it is. It is only a starved person can tell what hunger is. But

> a person with a little knowledge of any language can write large

> scripts, without touching base, pushing others far deeper into

> comfusions.

> >

> > Before commenting to the above, sit back and think deeper, how far

> it is going to help others who are groping in the darkness and

> perplexed without knowing what to do. Â Â Â Â

> >

> > Thank you for such En lightning message Â

> > Perhaps you can stop the confusion by throwing some of that light on

> your real name and what you are - to be honestÂ

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > xtec1109 xtec1109 >

> >

> > Thu, December 17, 2009 12:00:25 PM

> > Vedic Astrology... .Yes or No

> >

> > Â

> >

> > This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody

> will get clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

> >

> > If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on

> a person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just

> a light. Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you

> attribute a godly character to the traffic light pole and starts

> worshipping it or think that there is a mystery in it. Then it is the

> lack of true knowledge and understanding. That is why, about 2500 years

> ago Lord Buddha said " Kim Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It

> is not stars doing any thing to you. It is your own actions and the

> reactions of past actions (Karmas) are shaping your destiny. Your true

> savior is none but yourself as it is your duty to steer your life on the

> correct path.

> >

> > Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

> >

> > Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful

> almighty one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject

> of discussion, I do not exclude the possibility of that there could be

> (Now we call them as ET's and those days Deities or Angels) highly

> evolved powerful entities (and also some lowly evolved but powerful

> entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true scientist will never

> ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible. Remember, that

> a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

> impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier

> than the air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the

> universe, what we have discovered and rationally understood is similar

> to a grain of sand. If you find something mysterious or something which

> is hard to explain, that does not mean it is not happening or it is

> impossible to happen. But that means our current understanding,

> > senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed enough to

> detect, measure and understand the phenomenon.

> >

> > As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite

> saying. Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately.

> As I said in the previous example, even when the green light is shining

> you can not give a hundred present guarantee of safe passage as

> accidents may occur due to various other reasons. Life is a very complex

> thing many influencing factors are taking part during the course of a

> persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just like clouds and

> weather patterns.

> >

> > Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the

> course of a life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha

> - The meaning of word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human

> intellect) can predict with 100% surety about course of a life of a

> person.

> >

> > Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas

> are it is difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary

> intellect.

> >

> > With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to

> do it fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies,

> though not always but sometimes suggest different methods or

> interpretations in regard to the same thing. For an example in regard to

> Planetary periods or Dashas, there are a number of methods suggested,

> Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

> >

> > Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of

> the of the past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can

> be achieved by a good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest

> is pure chance. (If anybody says he can do better than that and can

> always give 100% correct predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a

> new Buddha. Apart from the Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the

> epoch, an another additional Buddha had seems to be some how appeared on

> earth).

> >

> > No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of

> astrology well and has a reputation to protect will never mislead people

> who do not know astrology and dare to say that he or she can give

> perfect 100% accurate predictions.

> >

> > It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the

> production line, a good master engineer will never give a 100%

> guarantee, say to cross a desert alone and without taking any spare

> parts. Because he knows very well what many things can go wrong and how

> many brand new vehicles had been recalled due to various defects. But at

> the same time a foolish driver who may even do not know how to change a

> plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing the desert or

> even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

> >

> > Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to

> interpret the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses,

> Astrology should be treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is

> not always 100%. But nobody should center his life on Astrology alone.

> Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord Buddha had always advised a person

> must take the middle path.

> >

> >

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ecstacy (xtecc), by the way is a dangerous drug that often gives hallucinations

of exultations as psychologists call those -- feelings of grandeur and being

God's instrument and so on and history is full of such mislaid-messihas!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstacy

 

As they say, " you are/become what you eat! "

 

RR_

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

> SUch message are not very uncommon as mentioned  by Shri Sursh Ji.What

however is to cite at the end of the message of Lord  Buddhaa's preaching

and it's relevance.

> Even If I concur with whole or part of your endeavour how in the topic you

thought fit to suggest: "  As Lord Buddha had always advised a person must take

the middle path. "

> There are many seers and sages b4 and after Buddha suggested to avoid

extreemities(too much faith and no faith,reliable,not relaible etc)

> Many would like to say YES for vedic astrology in what ever it can help and

guide for many reasons.

> peopl say no dut to misguidance and ignorance.

>

>

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 12/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Vedic Astrology....Yes or No

>

> Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:17 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear xtecc1109,

>

> A very good article and repeated several times over, and sounding like the

predictions of weather departments - may or may not rain - so you may carry an

umbrella or not choose to, it is upto you.

>

> Such messages are a common " thing " on the internet and do not require much

intelligence to copy & paste and may be prune a little. We also do find a lot of

people around us who hold such views.

>

> It is perhaps the english usage of the word " Astrology " that confuses you. If

you understand the real essence of the original term " jyotisha " which is " Jyoti "

+ " ksha " meaning - a light for the eyes to see in the dark, a small beckon, that

will help you in times of darkness,  it will not be that confusing. However,

to understand the implication of the what essence means, one may have to go

through such dark times once or twice in their life time, to know how dreadfull

it is. It is only a starved person can tell what hunger is. But a person with

a little knowledge of any language can write large scripts, without touching

base, pushing others far deeper into comfusions.

>

> Before commenting to the above, sit back and think deeper, how far it is

going to help others who are groping in the darkness and perplexed without

knowing what to do.     

>

> Thank you for such En lightning message  

> Perhaps you can stop the confusion by throwing some of that light on your real

name and what you are - to be honest 

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> xtec1109 <xtec1109 >

>

> Thu, December 17, 2009 12:00:25 PM

> Vedic Astrology... .Yes or No

>

>  

>

> This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody will get

clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

>

> If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on a

person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just a light.

Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you attribute a godly

character to the traffic light pole and starts worshipping it or think that

there is a mystery in it. Then it is the lack of true knowledge and

understanding. That is why, about 2500 years ago Lord Buddha said " Kim

Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It is not stars doing any thing to

you. It is your own actions and the reactions of past actions (Karmas) are

shaping your destiny. Your true savior is none but yourself as it is your duty

to steer your life on the correct path.

>

> Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

>

> Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful almighty

one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject of discussion, I

do not exclude the possibility of that there could be (Now we call them as ET's

and those days Deities or Angels) highly evolved powerful entities (and also

some lowly evolved but powerful entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true

scientist will never ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible.

Remember, that a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier than the

air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the universe, what we have

discovered and rationally understood is similar to a grain of sand. If you find

something mysterious or something which is hard to explain, that does not mean

it is not happening or it is impossible to happen. But that means our current

understanding,

> senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed enough to detect,

measure and understand the phenomenon.

>

> As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite saying.

Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately. As I said in the

previous example, even when the green light is shining you can not give a

hundred present guarantee of safe passage as accidents may occur due to various

other reasons. Life is a very complex thing many influencing factors are taking

part during the course of a persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just

like clouds and weather patterns.

>

> Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the course of

a life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha - The meaning of

word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human intellect) can predict with

100% surety about course of a life of a person.

>

> Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas are it

is difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary intellect.

>

> With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to do it

fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies, though not

always but sometimes suggest different methods or interpretations in regard to

the same thing. For an example in regard to Planetary periods or Dashas, there

are a number of methods suggested, Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

>

> Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of the of

the past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can be achieved by a

good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest is pure chance. (If

anybody says he can do better than that and can always give 100% correct

predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a new Buddha. Apart from the

Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the epoch, an another additional Buddha

had seems to be some how appeared on earth).

>

> No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of astrology well

and has a reputation to protect will never mislead people who do not know

astrology and dare to say that he or she can give perfect 100% accurate

predictions.

>

> It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the production

line, a good master engineer will never give a 100% guarantee, say to cross a

desert alone and without taking any spare parts. Because he knows very well what

many things can go wrong and how many brand new vehicles had been recalled due

to various defects. But at the same time a foolish driver who may even do not

know how to change a plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing

the desert or even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

>

> Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to interpret

the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses, Astrology should be

treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is not always 100%. But nobody

should center his life on Astrology alone. Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord

Buddha had always advised a person must take the middle path.

>

>

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, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

 

Dear xtecc1109,

 

A very good article and repeated several times over, and sounding like the

predictions of weather departments - may or may not rain - so you may carry an

umbrella or not choose to, it is upto you.

 

Such messages are a common " thing " on the internet and do not require much

intelligence to copy & paste and may be prune a little. We also do find a lot of

people around us who hold such views.

 

It is perhaps the english usage of the word " Astrology " that confuses you. If

you understand the real essence of the original term " jyotisha " which is " Jyoti "

+ " ksha " meaning - a light for the eyes to see in the dark, a small beckon, that

will help you in times of darkness,  it will not be that confusing. However,

to understand the implication of the what essence means, one may have to go

through such dark times once or twice in their life time, to know how dreadfull

it is. It is only a starved person can tell what hunger is. But a person with

a little knowledge of any language can write large scripts, without touching

base, pushing others far deeper into comfusions.

 

Before commenting to the above, sit back and think deeper, how far it is going

to help others who are groping in the darkness and perplexed without knowing

what to do.     

 

Thank you for such En lightning message  

Perhaps you can stop the confusion by throwing some of that light on your real

name and what you are - to be honest 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

xtec1109 <xtec1109

 

Thu, December 17, 2009 12:00:25 PM

Vedic Astrology....Yes or No

 

 

 

This article doesn't meant to hurt anybody here.Just hope everbody will get

clearer picture about astrology.Many view astrology negatively.

 

If you ask me whether there is an effect from that red colour light on a

person's life my answer is both " yes " and " no " . No, because it is just a light.

Yes, because it indicates a bad period to cross. But if you attribute a godly

character to the traffic light pole and starts worshipping it or think that

there is a mystery in it. Then it is the lack of true knowledge and

understanding. That is why, about 2500 years ago Lord Buddha said " Kim

Karrisatthi Taraka ? " What stars can do ? It is not stars doing any thing to

you. It is your own actions and the reactions of past actions (Karmas) are

shaping your destiny. Your true savior is none but yourself as it is your duty

to steer your life on the correct path.

 

Possible or impossible ?(limits of human understanding )

 

Please note that, though the debate on the existence of all powerful almighty

one creator being as such is out of the context of this subject of discussion, I

do not exclude the possibility of that there could be (Now we call them as ET's

and those days Deities or Angels) highly evolved powerful entities (and also

some lowly evolved but powerful entities ) in other dimensions or worlds. A true

scientist will never ridicule any possibility. However it may look impossible.

Remember, that a few decades back prominent scientists of the time said, it is

impossible for an aero plane to take off the ground as it is heavier than the

air. Compared with the vastness and the complexity of the universe, what we have

discovered and rationally understood is similar to a grain of sand. If you find

something mysterious or something which is hard to explain, that does not mean

it is not happening or it is impossible to happen. But that means our current

understanding,

senses, knowledge and the instruments are not yet developed enough to detect,

measure and understand the phenomenon.

 

As same as in Meteorology, in Astrology also, there is no definite saying.

Because many things can not be told hundred present accurately. As I said in the

previous example, even when the green light is shining you can not give a

hundred present guarantee of safe passage as accidents may occur due to various

other reasons. Life is a very complex thing many influencing factors are taking

part during the course of a persons life It is dynamic, constantly changing just

like clouds and weather patterns.

 

Only a divine entity or God can predict for 100% accuracy about the course of a

life of a person. No being born as a human (except a Buddha - The meaning of

word Buddha itself is the highest of higher human intellect) can predict with

100% surety about course of a life of a person.

 

Because a persons life is governed by Karma and so complex the karmas are it is

difficult to fully comprehend by a person with ordinary intellect.

 

With respect, I must mention that, even Maha Irshies were not able to do it

fully. That is why the ancient texts written by different Irshies, though not

always but sometimes suggest different methods or interpretations in regard to

the same thing. For an example in regard to Planetary periods or Dashas, there

are a number of methods suggested, Ashthoothari, Vimshotharri, Yogini etc..

 

Thanks to the works of Irshis and Sages and all the other scholars of the of the

past, about 75 - 80 % degree of accuracy of predictions can be achieved by a

good astrologer at present, if more than that, the rest is pure chance. (If

anybody says he can do better than that and can always give 100% correct

predictions, then he is not an astrologer but a new Buddha. Apart from the

Gauthama the Buddha for this " Kalpha " or the epoch, an another additional Buddha

had seems to be some how appeared on earth).

 

No good astrologer who is honest and who knows the subject of astrology well and

has a reputation to protect will never mislead people who do not know astrology

and dare to say that he or she can give perfect 100% accurate predictions.

 

It is as same as that, even for a vehicle which is just out of the production

line, a good master engineer will never give a 100% guarantee, say to cross a

desert alone and without taking any spare parts. Because he knows very well what

many things can go wrong and how many brand new vehicles had been recalled due

to various defects. But at the same time a foolish driver who may even do not

know how to change a plug, due to his foolishness may take the risk of crossing

the desert or even declare the exact time he will arrive at the destination.

 

Since the Astrology is the only tool an ordinary human being has, to interpret

the Quality and the quantity of Karmas an individual posses, Astrology should be

treated with respect. Even though it's accuracy is not always 100%. But nobody

should center his life on Astrology alone. Nor reject astrology totally. As Lord

Buddha had always advised a person must take the middle path.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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