Rohini Ji:Please don't agonize(JR) unnecessarily or feel persectued with this reply.

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Dear Friends,

We have replies to ourselves and v never think of antogonising one another.our

roots r in jyotish.what value additions v make it by our ways it is different

story altogether.It might be trick.Yet it is not posiible to rinvent Parashara.

Human beings are very much scientific and enterprising .we always make same rice

and eat also.some times v attempt in Pulao/Biryani/Lemon Rice/Dahi

chawal/Biryani.Tomat baath and what.

Rice remians the same and with no excpetion Khichadi(might be excused for

repeating it again).All these out of rice but variations in flavors.Same is the

story of KP or ayanamsa or what ever system approach v make.The roots firm in

Parashara.

2.Remedies are an addition of ENTERPRISE to Jyotish.From BVR to KNR no made

prescribed suggested remedies.It is v as a cmaflouge or a cover up to boost the

suffering individuals suggest remedies.

Remedies in the form of prayers.some times it is Gem stones and other times by

extarneous ways tantras.All r menat to make the one suffering having lack of

LUCK not to feel disheartened and feel unlucky.V need to boost our moral

confidence and also help and serve the person who represents his problems.Like

thw hite pills that support PLAACEBO/ HOMEOPATHY treatment,v suggest as

remedies.v have feed back and proof to say that he could achieve/get/overcome

from problems.In a way v tell them it is question of time so do not loose

hearted Instead you may........do this......try this.........gem........do

resort to tantra or lalbook remedies.Out of their faith,it is implemented

problems r solved.

A trick is also to seve better as Shri Rohini Ji very senior Astrolger well

educated and learned oft repeats that our interest should be to help the

individual and raise his hopes to see postive aspects.V therefore endeavour our

analysis by adding placebo to improve the lot and help the native.To boost his

onw confidence and boost the belief people have in Jyotish.Is is for our raising

our level of service v have supplemented Remedies.this is how v r in the

platform of JR.It is the same PARASARA BUT IN our way add/deduct by other means

to  serve with the motto that every being has his share og Good/bad luck.it is

all in the mystery of 7 planets and 2 nodes.It is in the evolution and sequence

of dasa he will have.Story all planetw/o exception r good jupiter known r bad

too.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Fri, 12/25/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

Rohini Ji:Please don't agonize unnecessarily or feel persectued

with this reply.

 

Friday, December 25, 2009, 2:59 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan Ji,It is very good that you are denying from commiting

nefariousness and from causing paranoia to any one.You seem to be learned and

good astrologer in this group.I hope you will maintain it in future

also.Actually my ascendant is taurus and venus is posited there.So I don't get

offended very easily.I wish to offer my sincere services for this group if I

have time and ability for the same.Please don't agonize unnecessarily or feel

persectued with this reply.

Happy Holidays & new year to you. 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Fri, December 25, 2009 4:23:04 AM

Re: Prashan Sir :Good Advice

 

 

Mishra ji,

 

Unfortunately you have sadly misunderstood and misinterpreted what actually

happened! I think I changed the header by adding Krishnan-ji to indicate that my

posting was primarily for Krishnan ji's attention. The rest of the header was

left intact for past reference to the thread and not for any subversive or

nefarious reasons and should not have caused any paranoia in anyone or

misgivings :-)

 

threads are pretty restrictive and do not allow sub-threading as some of

the earlier giant systems such as Compuserve permitted (and encouraged).. So, we

must work creatively under the saturnine limitations posted by Don't

agonize unnecessarily or feel persectued etc.

 

Happy Holidays,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Dhirendra Nath Misra

<dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

>

> Dear Prashan Sir, I am silent and always ready to act upon your advice but few

members are deliberately publishing the thread as under:

> Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not right

22/12Matter was addressed to ''krishnan dada'' with above subject..

> I did not make any reply.

> with thanks & regards,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>  

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Thu, December 24, 2009 10:56:31 PM

> Rising D9-Brihat Jataka-HIORARY

>

>  

>

> Misra ji

>

> change the thread that is edit the subject line when u r on a diff topic can

help members who have to read or refer to such questions

>

> follow my example here

>

> see the 2 sub lines

>

> 1 Re: Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-

right 22/12

> 2. Rising D9-Brihat Jataka-HIORARY

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

>

> Thu, December 24, 2009 9:20:50 PM

> Re: Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra- right 22/12

>

> Dear Krishnan Sir,Probably you are the senior most astrologer in Jyotish

Remedies group and expert in horary.So I want to seek your guide lines regarding

-Brihat Jataka,Chapter 24,stanza 7,which states as under:

> " The Birth Lagna will be represented by the rising Navamsa at the " Time of the

query... "

> I put this query because some times people do not provide their birth

particulars and expect correct remedies.Is there any

> correct and tested rule to know birth time/ date /year of birth.Is it possible

to know date /month /year of any event to

> verify the correctness of obtained birth particulars? Other learned members of

this group are also requested to provide

> their valuable thoughts.

> With thanks & regards,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> Thu, December 24, 2009 8:46:31 AM

> Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

>

> Krishnan dada,

>

> Life is about feeling pleasure through serving!

>

> Serving is merely about making someone happy. Sadly, in mundane reality, often

when we serve others, even selflessly, we encounter resistance and sometimes

anger thrown back at us!

>

> I have always equated that with a past experience of mine. Once I was trying

to wash a utensil and having just installed a kitchen tap which had three

settings: normal, gentle (for vegetables), and forceful (no clue what it was

about! Like most stereotypical males I tossed out the instruction manual!) -- I

got a bit impatient and started out with the 'power-spray' setting. Had to turn

it off right away because most of the filth landed back on me :-)

>

> There is something to be said in favour of gentleness, at least in the

beginning! That is why I recommend that all infants be first subjected to the

kindness of Mothers before they are ready for Fathers! ;-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dada,

> > Moon in 2nd as dasa lord followed by a Mars in Taurus with sani vada keyu

did put me into a mad race at that time.

> > The race that started even now contnues.enjoyed received paper planes but at

the cost of galleries.

> > Life is 2 make merry.Holidays ahead as the Year closes and b ready for

boxing day

> > Very Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year ahead to ring out the past

> > Holidays for Happy Union and to think and Pray of Maa

> > with regards

> >

> >

> > Â

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Â

> >

> > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

> >

> > Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 9:43 PM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishnan_dada,

> >

> > Please do not take it personally, but I am apalled!

> >

> > Not at you but your teacher, who despite being a figurative and mundane form

of MA injected this atrocious thought in a little boy's head that sitting next

to a plump girl is a " punishment " for being " Boys will be Boys! "

> >

> > You were too young, but perhaps missed an opportunity to 'fight' that

teacher's mal-informed intention, through going beyond all that and wondering

how the plump girl felt in this case! I presume she was not being punished and

was not made to sit next to you because she was equally naughty! But while you

were shifting in your seat and feeling sad, guilty and punished, I cannot help

but wonder how " she " was feeling at that time. And, sadly, you do not know

either! :-(

> >

> > Hence, perhaps, now you are stuck with catering to and caring for all these

jyotish requests and caring for others! ;-)

> >

> > JEST KIDDING! I was just demonstrating what we Peanut Gallery-wallas do!

This paper arrow was aimed at YOU!

> >

> > Warm Regards and Happy Holidays, Christmas and New Year!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji,

> > > yeah Ji!You are on dot 2 predict about me.

> > > Once I tried 2 b prankish in the school and thought I willÂÂ

join gallery.My class teacher has different ideas.She punished me by making me 2

sit with a girl very plump girl.As the age was to feel shy I could n't lift my

head.Missed peanuts and all other paper planes.True I was not a successful

prankster.i had however my own quota of enjoyment though of serious nature.

> > > I have interest still for peanuts !

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While ÂÂ

Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > ÂÂ

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

> > >

> > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > ÂÂ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > You are a serious student (and practitioner) of astrology, you will not

like it in the 'peanut gallery' This is where the naughty " udhami " and not the

'udhyami' boys collect, and throw moongphali ka chilka and paper airplanes and

chalk-pieces at assorted targets, including sometimes at the teachers: ancient

and modern! ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I think the following sums up different roles of members who have

interest in the group as contributors, genuine seekers to solve problems of

themselves and share concern in others.

> > > > Moderator,contribut es for the harmonious relationships and occassion to

over see that the group's objects are getting promoted

withÃÆ'‚ÂÂ investment of his wisdom but not his

involvment on day today basis as a referee in kabaddi or in kho kho(favourite

Indian games)

> > > > Shri Promod Ji has devoted his his time for the sake of group's

development and bringing the views of senior people and maintain harmony.He

laboured very much to explain and convince w/o interfering in their freedom

ofÃÆ'‚ÂÂ expression.He has contributed lot for

the members to voice and share their knowledge.where ever motives of members

seems to inflict the health of the group,he interjected to contain the back

ground noise.

> > > > with the following suggestions of Shri RRji and Santosh Ji,for the group

defining the roles iam sure v do not have future occassions to judge who's doing

what?is it right or wrong?

> > > > Santosh Ji,you r absolutely right " We are mature members and not kids in

classroom for him to be present always with us " .

> > > >

> > > > Shri Rohini ji words " Democracy allows one to stretch their arms,

fingers, fist AS FAR AS THEY WISH, but JUST SHORT OF WHERE MY NOSE BEGINS! " are

always supportive to achieve a purpose in cyber net media.The opinion on " cyber

jyotish " is a positive reinforcement and need certainly to be born in mind in

interactions.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps:Dada, it is interesting to note about " peanut gallery " and the joy I

feel in joining with him in this reserved? section.Iam sure it is not the label

but to enjoy warmer 'walnuts " and " cashew nuts "

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not right

22/12

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 10:20 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kumar_ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please, never again feel it necessary to justify or explain how you

moderate or what you do or what you are supposed to do! I have observed many of

the individuals on the Jyotish scene and while each have their individual

strengths and weaknesses and flavours, every single one is IMPORTANT and VITAL

and ESSENTIAL to Jyotish on Internet!

> > > >

> > > > I realize that I am a peanut-gallery person and so some of the 'players'

get angry and upset with me, but that is okay!

> > > >

> > > > Speaking for myself, I have over the years seen you devote your personal

time and effort and energy, despite exigences in family or at work etc -- and

mostly in a rather admirable way!

> > > >

> > > > In return, perhaps you may feel that you have not received anything back

in terms of kindness or appreciation but that is not true! Your situation, if I

may be so bold -- is of a person who has worked hard and is now trying to listen

to the favourite music station for relaxation, for the work is not done and

there is a tomorrow with its problems and what not!

> > > >

> > > > But just as the music got tuned in to, the skid-row outside became

active and created the noise that sometimes drowns the music! Perhaps it is

because those that are fighting out on the street are known to you and you feel

compelled to intervene!

> > > >

> > > > The fault is yours! :-)

> > > >

> > > > As a moderator, you were given the right to close the window and

'ground' the trouble-makers! Democracy is not at stake because it has been

defined by an earlier American President as:

> > > >

> > > > Democracy allows one to stretch their arms, fingers, fist AS FAR AS THEY

WISH, but JUST SHORT OF WHERE MY NOSE BEGINS!

> > > >

> > > > The RIGHT to ANNONYMITY GRANTED BY INTERNET was not supposed to give one

any special powers BUT remind one of their human responsibilities!

> > > >

> > > > It is sad that many abuse it, but do they really think NO ONE IS

WATCHING OR RECORDING?

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Santosh

> > > > >

> > > > > a good post that states v clearly what i have been saying and what all

moderators do

> > > > >

> > > > > except one or two self styled ppl who claim more than they deliver and

by doing it they r killing free speech, exchange of info, ideas

> > > > >

> > > > > and as said many time the subjects in discussion here is too vast and

India is v rich in diversity many shades of views branches of knowlesge exist on

any given subject/stream we have to share witha open mind and if we find

something too uncommon, controversial surely majority members will do state

their views v clearly than allow it to pass un contosted as is happening now why

call members names

> > > > >

> > > > > above all PKT himself never shares info, techniques with anyone

inspite of repeated requests for it escapes under some cover

> > > > >

> > > > > so if he protests that we r shielding some ppl

> > > > > WHICH I SAID MANYTIMES IS NOT TRUE BUT circumstantial to me not being

active due to my stay in the hospital

> > > > >

> > > > > he has not seen the point in few mails already said on this

> > > > >

> > > > > anyway thanks for ur post

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hope he see thelight in it

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > " santhosh@ . " <santhosh@ .>

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 7:33:17 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not

right 22/12

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear respected sir,

> > > > > The problem is you are missing a fundamental point. Moderator has no

duty keep clarifying things like a teacher does in a classroom.

> > > > > He is an individual with other responsibilities in life too. He may

choose to moderate when he feels that members are using foul language or he may

interfere if an uncontrolled heated arguement is taking place.

> > > > > He is not being paid any salary or honerarium by the group and hence

we cannot demand interference by him.

> > > > > We are mature members and not kids in classroom for him to be present

always with us.

> > > > > As far as delayed mail is concerned i have seen atlease 2 posts by the

moderator in general to all that he is not delaying it at his level. That is

more than enough.

> > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > Santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent from

BlackBerryÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÆ\

’‚® on Airtel

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@ >

> > > > > Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:49:32

> > > > > <>

> > > > > Re: Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not

right 22/12

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > > If for the reason, I am not clarifying you the theories,you are not

conveying the messages to Mr.Mishra etc.then it is totally unfair because, I

have already told you,you yourself developed a forum,where, only remidies can be

given to remidy seeker, that's all and nothingelse. In doing so, I am

overburdened with such messages,I dont have even time to discuss all such

matters in details that is the reason, I have been very slow attender to other

groups rather then yours and few others of this content.I have already told you

in past,if the matter of discussion comes, we will discuss the theory in another

forum sometime,when, I will be free ion my research based other astro

activity.So, for the reason, I have only joined only few remidy seeker groups

not any other group.

> > > > > In the above circumstances, your non-communication of mails to

Mishra,who thought that I am sending the mails in a delated process, had it been

promptly reported to Mishra at that moment because it was a serious discussion,,

Mishra could have not charged me unnecessarily, and repeatedly, that I am

sending the mails in delated process,for no fault of mine. However, I am sending

numerouse messages daily and everything is promptly reported back why this

partcular set of msg.is not working.However, I am doing my thingsl as per the

leterally meaning of the group ie.Jyotish Remidies, but not Jyothish learning,

and if you still feel inconvenient please say me clearly so that I will quit the

group that time with a full clarification to all of my advise seekers

happyly.But pl.do not press me to sit on detailing all the issue as I have no

time to do all such, as I am busy writing books, editing, bringing it to in

advanced studies etc.As regards

> > > > > Durgasaptasathi, I want you also advise the members like Mishra etc.

to respond in brief,to the point, querry based otherwise, Jyotish remidies will

one day automatically turn to Jyotish learning or vedic astrolgy etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > With best wishes,

> > > > > P K Tripathy.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > astro <gbp_kumar >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 5:19:25 PM

> > > > > Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not

right 22/12

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear PKT, Misra ji, Members

> > > > >

> > > > > a moderator/owners role is not to edit/judge ur mails or vouch for the

authenticity of any material that passes thru thegroup this members can decipher

themselves what is good, authentic, absurd stuff there r many such instances

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not taking sides with anyone

> > > > >

> > > > > from 15-21st been busy and more so 17-21st night my mother was in a

hospital and I was the attender there so left the group unmodeated so any msg

that came inbetween I have no idea if any msg has offended anyone of u, let me

know can read them and comment/act on them.

> > > > >

> > > > > also from today u r also unmoderated member I normally kept this

option for ppl with 100 dags of untroublesome , controversial posting

> > > > >

> > > > > in ur case U R POSTING UNSUBSTANTIATED OR UNEXPLAINED content and with

enough requests pending to this effect u come up with vague questions and all

standard

> > > > >

> > > > > did u live in a old diapliated house at ur birth time

> > > > > on narrow side road, moved to a few more such houses and now r in a

main road and better house for almost all so no great logic, wisdom is VISIBLE

here

> > > > >

> > > > > and surely in this list u will find 50-70ppl with such scenario so no

big deal.

> > > > >

> > > > > if and when u can explain them it makes sense else it is just too much

to even consider it material worth reading

> > > > >

> > > > > I am using thabove line after repeated requests to explain them has

failed

> > > > >

> > > > > u cud at least upload ur theory on a paper in the file section i said

u failed to do so so don't call others names

> > > > >

> > > > > and on durga saptha sathi or any other pl post ur source of info rest

ppl can decide themselves, india is a vast country with vast knowldge pools so

we must share them OPENLY and try to find the transmission losses if any,m

errors if any and work on them than call oneanother scrap, rubbish or claim

superiority on any one.

> > > > >

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@

.....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear PKGB/Dhrendranath Mishra,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr PKGB, As I have sent all quick response to Dhirendra's querry but

as you have categorically written that due to your server problem, you could not

post my mails, then you should have convinced that to Mr. Mishra, as I am

totally write in communicating my resoponses quickly but knowingly though you

thatMr.Dhirendra is charging me I was delay in my response, you are silent, this

itself refklects as a grouporganiser, you are engaged in promoting wrong

description to innocent learners.

> > > > > > Further, this is not first time, my mails are knowingly withhold

particularly when I catch one of your bunch's mistakes, also in previous time

only such category postings have been withhold.So, whenever any such trouble

occures, you should yourself clarify the people like Dhirendra, who without

knowing anything charging for my delayed responses,in which I have no fault and

you have been begged excuses to me for the non posting my mail due to your

mistake.So whenevr such things happens pl.clarify to the people, who charging

unnecessarily, otherwise, such practices will be reflected in through out the

groups, because, ore comments in any topic will be seriously reviewed as we

people are known in various groups reputedly..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P.K.Tripathy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Krishnan dada,

 

I missed this " GEM " from you entirely during my travel today ;-) It is

interesting that the French call WORK as Travaille (spelling?)

 

I think WE MUST antagonise one another because that is what UHAPOHA is meant to

be! And each time we are shown to NOT make sense privately or publicly, we

should not run to BPHS or some different system for respite!

 

If BPHS is bunk, we should demonstrate that and so too the other scriptures and

THEN move to some fancy other system or a system that strikes our fancy!

 

And therein lies the BEAUTY of BPHS and the so called PARASHARI SYSTEM! It is

inclusive! It includes what some would for whatever reasons PERSONAL try to

dissect and separate as JAIMINI!

 

JAIMINI is NOT JYOTISH but the BPHS SYSTEM IS JYOTISH, because IT includes the

JAIMINI RULES and CONSIDERATIONS!

 

JYOTISH can only be WHITE LIGHT and not leave out one of the members of the

spectrum: Jaimini!

 

Simple? I think it is!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> We have replies to ourselves and v never think of antogonising one another.our

roots r in jyotish.what value additions v make it by our ways it is different

story altogether.It might be trick.Yet it is not posiible to rinvent Parashara.

> Human beings are very much scientific and enterprising .we always make same

rice and eat also.some times v attempt in Pulao/Biryani/Lemon Rice/Dahi

chawal/Biryani.Tomat baath and what.

> Rice remians the same and with no excpetion Khichadi(might be excused for

repeating it again).All these out of rice but variations in flavors.Same is the

story of KP or ayanamsa or what ever system approach v make.The roots firm in

Parashara.

> 2.Remedies are an addition of ENTERPRISE to Jyotish.From BVR to KNR no made

prescribed suggested remedies.It is v as a cmaflouge or a cover up to boost the

suffering individuals suggest remedies.

> Remedies in the form of prayers.some times it is Gem stones and other times by

extarneous ways tantras.All r menat to make the one suffering having lack of

LUCK not to feel disheartened and feel unlucky.V need to boost our moral

confidence and also help and serve the person who represents his problems.Like

thw hite pills that support PLAACEBO/ HOMEOPATHY treatment,v suggest as

remedies.v have feed back and proof to say that he could achieve/get/overcome

from problems.In a way v tell them it is question of time so do not loose

hearted Instead you may........do this......try this.........gem........do

resort to tantra or lalbook remedies.Out of their faith,it is implemented

problems r solved.

> A trick is also to seve better as Shri Rohini Ji very senior Astrolger well

educated and learned oft repeats that our interest should be to help the

individual and raise his hopes to see postive aspects.V therefore endeavour our

analysis by adding placebo to improve the lot and help the native.To boost his

onw confidence and boost the belief people have in Jyotish.Is is for our raising

our level of service v have supplemented Remedies.this is how v r in the

platform of JR.It is the same PARASARA BUT IN our way add/deduct by other means

to  serve with the motto that every being has his share og Good/bad luck.it is

all in the mystery of 7 planets and 2 nodes.It is in the evolution and sequence

of dasa he will have.Story all planetw/o exception r good jupiter known r bad

too.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Fri, 12/25/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

>

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

> Rohini Ji:Please don't agonize unnecessarily or feel persectued

with this reply.

>

> Friday, December 25, 2009, 2:59 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan Ji,It is very good that you are denying from commiting

nefariousness and from causing paranoia to any one.You seem to be learned and

good astrologer in this group.I hope you will maintain it in future

also.Actually my ascendant is taurus and venus is posited there.So I don't get

offended very easily.I wish to offer my sincere services for this group if I

have time and ability for the same.Please don't agonize unnecessarily or feel

persectued with this reply.

> Happy Holidays & new year to you. 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> Fri, December 25, 2009 4:23:04 AM

> Re: Prashan Sir :Good Advice

>

>  

> Mishra ji,

>

> Unfortunately you have sadly misunderstood and misinterpreted what actually

happened! I think I changed the header by adding Krishnan-ji to indicate that my

posting was primarily for Krishnan ji's attention. The rest of the header was

left intact for past reference to the thread and not for any subversive or

nefarious reasons and should not have caused any paranoia in anyone or

misgivings :-)

>

> threads are pretty restrictive and do not allow sub-threading as some of

the earlier giant systems such as Compuserve permitted (and encouraged).. So, we

must work creatively under the saturnine limitations posted by Don't

agonize unnecessarily or feel persectued etc.

>

> Happy Holidays,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Dhirendra Nath Misra

<dhirendranathmisra wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Prashan Sir, I am silent and always ready to act upon your advice but

few members are deliberately publishing the thread as under:

> > Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not

right 22/12Matter was addressed to ''krishnan dada'' with above subject..

> > I did not make any reply.

> > with thanks & regards,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thu, December 24, 2009 10:56:31 PM

> > Rising D9-Brihat Jataka-HIORARY

> >

> >  

> >

> > Misra ji

> >

> > change the thread that is edit the subject line when u r on a diff topic can

help members who have to read or refer to such questions

> >

> > follow my example here

> >

> > see the 2 sub lines

> >

> > 1 Re: Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-

right 22/12

> > 2. Rising D9-Brihat Jataka-HIORARY

> >

> > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

> >

> > Thu, December 24, 2009 9:20:50 PM

> > Re: Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra- right 22/12

> >

> > Dear Krishnan Sir,Probably you are the senior most astrologer in Jyotish

Remedies group and expert in horary.So I want to seek your guide lines regarding

-Brihat Jataka,Chapter 24,stanza 7,which states as under:

> > " The Birth Lagna will be represented by the rising Navamsa at the " Time of

the query... "

> > I put this query because some times people do not provide their birth

particulars and expect correct remedies.Is there any

> > correct and tested rule to know birth time/ date /year of birth.Is it

possible to know date /month /year of any event to

> > verify the correctness of obtained birth particulars? Other learned members

of this group are also requested to provide

> > their valuable thoughts.

> > With thanks & regards,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> >

> > Thu, December 24, 2009 8:46:31 AM

> > Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

> >

> > Krishnan dada,

> >

> > Life is about feeling pleasure through serving!

> >

> > Serving is merely about making someone happy. Sadly, in mundane reality,

often when we serve others, even selflessly, we encounter resistance and

sometimes anger thrown back at us!

> >

> > I have always equated that with a past experience of mine. Once I was trying

to wash a utensil and having just installed a kitchen tap which had three

settings: normal, gentle (for vegetables), and forceful (no clue what it was

about! Like most stereotypical males I tossed out the instruction manual!) -- I

got a bit impatient and started out with the 'power-spray' setting. Had to turn

it off right away because most of the filth landed back on me :-)

> >

> > There is something to be said in favour of gentleness, at least in the

beginning! That is why I recommend that all infants be first subjected to the

kindness of Mothers before they are ready for Fathers! ;-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dada,

> > > Moon in 2nd as dasa lord followed by a Mars in Taurus with sani vada keyu

did put me into a mad race at that time.

> > > The race that started even now contnues.enjoyed received paper planes but

at the cost of galleries.

> > > Life is 2 make merry.Holidays ahead as the Year closes and b ready for

boxing day

> > > Very Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year ahead to ring out the past

> > > Holidays for Happy Union and to think and Pray of Maa

> > > with regards

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Â

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

> > >

> > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 9:43 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan_dada,

> > >

> > > Please do not take it personally, but I am apalled!

> > >

> > > Not at you but your teacher, who despite being a figurative and mundane

form of MA injected this atrocious thought in a little boy's head that sitting

next to a plump girl is a " punishment " for being " Boys will be Boys! "

> > >

> > > You were too young, but perhaps missed an opportunity to 'fight' that

teacher's mal-informed intention, through going beyond all that and wondering

how the plump girl felt in this case! I presume she was not being punished and

was not made to sit next to you because she was equally naughty! But while you

were shifting in your seat and feeling sad, guilty and punished, I cannot help

but wonder how " she " was feeling at that time. And, sadly, you do not know

either! :-(

> > >

> > > Hence, perhaps, now you are stuck with catering to and caring for all

these jyotish requests and caring for others! ;-)

> > >

> > > JEST KIDDING! I was just demonstrating what we Peanut Gallery-wallas do!

This paper arrow was aimed at YOU!

> > >

> > > Warm Regards and Happy Holidays, Christmas and New Year!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohini Ji,

> > > > yeah Ji!You are on dot 2 predict about me.

> > > > Once I tried 2 b prankish in the school and thought I

willÃÆ'‚Â join gallery.My class teacher has different ideas.She

punished me by making me 2 sit with a girl very plump girl.As the age was to

feel shy I could n't lift my head.Missed peanuts and all other paper planes.True

I was not a successful prankster.i had however my own quota of enjoyment though

of serious nature.

> > > > I have interest still for peanuts !

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚Â ÃÆ'‚Â

Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > Krishnan ji ==> Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Krishnan ji,

> > > >

> > > > You are a serious student (and practitioner) of astrology, you will not

like it in the 'peanut gallery' This is where the naughty " udhami " and not the

'udhyami' boys collect, and throw moongphali ka chilka and paper airplanes and

chalk-pieces at assorted targets, including sometimes at the teachers: ancient

and modern! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > I think the following sums up different roles of members who have

interest in the group as contributors, genuine seekers to solve problems of

themselves and share concern in others.

> > > > > Moderator,contribut es for the harmonious relationships and occassion

to over see that the group's objects are getting promoted

withÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â investment of his wisdom but not his

involvment on day today basis as a referee in kabaddi or in kho kho(favourite

Indian games)

> > > > > Shri Promod Ji has devoted his his time for the sake of group's

development and bringing the views of senior people and maintain harmony.He

laboured very much to explain and convince w/o interfering in their freedom

ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â expression.He has contributed lot for

the members to voice and share their knowledge.where ever motives of members

seems to inflict the health of the group,he interjected to contain the back

ground noise.

> > > > > with the following suggestions of Shri RRji and Santosh Ji,for the

group defining the roles iam sure v do not have future occassions to judge who's

doing what?is it right or wrong?

> > > > > Santosh Ji,you r absolutely right " We are mature members and not kids

in classroom for him to be present always with us " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Rohini ji words " Democracy allows one to stretch their arms,

fingers, fist AS FAR AS THEY WISH, but JUST SHORT OF WHERE MY NOSE BEGINS! " are

always supportive to achieve a purpose in cyber net media.The opinion on " cyber

jyotish " is a positive reinforcement and need certainly to be born in mind in

interactions.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps:Dada, it is interesting to note about " peanut gallery " and the joy

I feel in joining with him in this reserved? section.Iam sure it is not the

label but to enjoy warmer 'walnuts " and " cashew nuts "

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 12/22/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not

right 22/12

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 10:20 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kumar_ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please, never again feel it necessary to justify or explain how you

moderate or what you do or what you are supposed to do! I have observed many of

the individuals on the Jyotish scene and while each have their individual

strengths and weaknesses and flavours, every single one is IMPORTANT and VITAL

and ESSENTIAL to Jyotish on Internet!

> > > > >

> > > > > I realize that I am a peanut-gallery person and so some of the

'players' get angry and upset with me, but that is okay!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking for myself, I have over the years seen you devote your

personal time and effort and energy, despite exigences in family or at work etc

-- and mostly in a rather admirable way!

> > > > >

> > > > > In return, perhaps you may feel that you have not received anything

back in terms of kindness or appreciation but that is not true! Your situation,

if I may be so bold -- is of a person who has worked hard and is now trying to

listen to the favourite music station for relaxation, for the work is not done

and there is a tomorrow with its problems and what not!

> > > > >

> > > > > But just as the music got tuned in to, the skid-row outside became

active and created the noise that sometimes drowns the music! Perhaps it is

because those that are fighting out on the street are known to you and you feel

compelled to intervene!

> > > > >

> > > > > The fault is yours! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > As a moderator, you were given the right to close the window and

'ground' the trouble-makers! Democracy is not at stake because it has been

defined by an earlier American President as:

> > > > >

> > > > > Democracy allows one to stretch their arms, fingers, fist AS FAR AS

THEY WISH, but JUST SHORT OF WHERE MY NOSE BEGINS!

> > > > >

> > > > > The RIGHT to ANNONYMITY GRANTED BY INTERNET was not supposed to give

one any special powers BUT remind one of their human responsibilities!

> > > > >

> > > > > It is sad that many abuse it, but do they really think NO ONE IS

WATCHING OR RECORDING?

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Santosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a good post that states v clearly what i have been saying and what

all moderators do

> > > > > >

> > > > > > except one or two self styled ppl who claim more than they deliver

and by doing it they r killing free speech, exchange of info, ideas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and as said many time the subjects in discussion here is too vast

and India is v rich in diversity many shades of views branches of knowlesge

exist on any given subject/stream we have to share witha open mind and if we

find something too uncommon, controversial surely majority members will do state

their views v clearly than allow it to pass un contosted as is happening now why

call members names

> > > > > >

> > > > > > above all PKT himself never shares info, techniques with anyone

inspite of repeated requests for it escapes under some cover

> > > > > >

> > > > > > so if he protests that we r shielding some ppl

> > > > > > WHICH I SAID MANYTIMES IS NOT TRUE BUT circumstantial to me not

being active due to my stay in the hospital

> > > > > >

> > > > > > he has not seen the point in few mails already said on this

> > > > > >

> > > > > > anyway thanks for ur post

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hope he see thelight in it

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > " santhosh@ . " <santhosh@ .>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 7:33:17 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear respected sir,

> > > > > > The problem is you are missing a fundamental point. Moderator has no

duty keep clarifying things like a teacher does in a classroom.

> > > > > > He is an individual with other responsibilities in life too. He may

choose to moderate when he feels that members are using foul language or he may

interfere if an uncontrolled heated arguement is taking place.

> > > > > > He is not being paid any salary or honerarium by the group and hence

we cannot demand interference by him.

> > > > > > We are mature members and not kids in classroom for him to be

present always with us.

> > > > > > As far as delayed mail is concerned i have seen atlease 2 posts by

the moderator in general to all that he is not delaying it at his level. That is

more than enough.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > > > Santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sent from

BlackBerryÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\

'‚® on Airtel

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@ >

> > > > > > Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:49:32

> > > > > > <>

> > > > > > Re: Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath

Mishra-not right 22/12

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > > > If for the reason, I am not clarifying you the theories,you are not

conveying the messages to Mr.Mishra etc.then it is totally unfair because, I

have already told you,you yourself developed a forum,where, only remidies can be

given to remidy seeker, that's all and nothingelse. In doing so, I am

overburdened with such messages,I dont have even time to discuss all such

matters in details that is the reason, I have been very slow attender to other

groups rather then yours and few others of this content.I have already told you

in past,if the matter of discussion comes, we will discuss the theory in another

forum sometime,when, I will be free ion my research based other astro

activity.So, for the reason, I have only joined only few remidy seeker groups

not any other group.

> > > > > > In the above circumstances, your non-communication of mails to

Mishra,who thought that I am sending the mails in a delated process, had it been

promptly reported to Mishra at that moment because it was a serious discussion,,

Mishra could have not charged me unnecessarily, and repeatedly, that I am

sending the mails in delated process,for no fault of mine. However, I am sending

numerouse messages daily and everything is promptly reported back why this

partcular set of msg.is not working.However, I am doing my thingsl as per the

leterally meaning of the group ie.Jyotish Remidies, but not Jyothish learning,

and if you still feel inconvenient please say me clearly so that I will quit the

group that time with a full clarification to all of my advise seekers

happyly.But pl.do not press me to sit on detailing all the issue as I have no

time to do all such, as I am busy writing books, editing, bringing it to in

advanced studies etc.As regards

> > > > > > Durgasaptasathi, I want you also advise the members like Mishra etc.

to respond in brief,to the point, querry based otherwise, Jyotish remidies will

one day automatically turn to Jyotish learning or vedic astrolgy etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With best wishes,

> > > > > > P K Tripathy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > astro <gbp_kumar >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tue, December 22, 2009 5:19:25 PM

> > > > > > Re: Attn Prashant Kumar GB/Dhirendranath Mishra-not

right 22/12

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear PKT, Misra ji, Members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a moderator/owners role is not to edit/judge ur mails or vouch for

the authenticity of any material that passes thru thegroup this members can

decipher themselves what is good, authentic, absurd stuff there r many such

instances

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not taking sides with anyone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > from 15-21st been busy and more so 17-21st night my mother was in a

hospital and I was the attender there so left the group unmodeated so any msg

that came inbetween I have no idea if any msg has offended anyone of u, let me

know can read them and comment/act on them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also from today u r also unmoderated member I normally kept this

option for ppl with 100 dags of untroublesome , controversial posting

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in ur case U R POSTING UNSUBSTANTIATED OR UNEXPLAINED content and

with enough requests pending to this effect u come up with vague questions and

all standard

> > > > > >

> > > > > > did u live in a old diapliated house at ur birth time

> > > > > > on narrow side road, moved to a few more such houses and now r in a

main road and better house for almost all so no great logic, wisdom is VISIBLE

here

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and surely in this list u will find 50-70ppl with such scenario so

no big deal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if and when u can explain them it makes sense else it is just too

much to even consider it material worth reading

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am using thabove line after repeated requests to explain them has

failed

> > > > > >

> > > > > > u cud at least upload ur theory on a paper in the file section i

said u failed to do so so don't call others names

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and on durga saptha sathi or any other pl post ur source of info

rest ppl can decide themselves, india is a vast country with vast knowldge pools

so we must share them OPENLY and try to find the transmission losses if any,m

errors if any and work on them than call oneanother scrap, rubbish or claim

superiority on any one.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pk Tripathy

<pktripathy89@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear PKGB/Dhrendranath Mishra,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr PKGB, As I have sent all quick response to Dhirendra's querry

but as you have categorically written that due to your server problem, you could

not post my mails, then you should have convinced that to Mr. Mishra, as I am

totally write in communicating my resoponses quickly but knowingly though you

thatMr.Dhirendra is charging me I was delay in my response, you are silent, this

itself refklects as a grouporganiser, you are engaged in promoting wrong

description to innocent learners.

> > > > > > > Further, this is not first time, my mails are knowingly withhold

particularly when I catch one of your bunch's mistakes, also in previous time

only such category postings have been withhold.So, whenever any such trouble

occures, you should yourself clarify the people like Dhirendra, who without

knowing anything charging for my delayed responses,in which I have no fault and

you have been begged excuses to me for the non posting my mail due to your

mistake.So whenevr such things happens pl.clarify to the people, who charging

unnecessarily, otherwise, such practices will be reflected in through out the

groups, because, ore comments in any topic will be seriously reviewed as we

people are known in various groups reputedly..

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