conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical 7/1

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of discussion,

in general. This is for your kind consideration and certainly not a demand that

I wish to place on any persona, beginner or Pro, who each may have very busy

schedules and/or different levels of interest etc.

 

Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting the

didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position made if

examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or griha yuddha or

astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point of discussion or

dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner and will keep coming

back and each time with more emotion and less clarity -- if all one does is make

stronger and stronger statements without illustrating with examples, and not

sketchily but in a detailed manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time

and interest and may or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The

other option is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like

PVR Narasimha Rao does.

 

Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a rocking chair

which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

 

Respectfully submitted,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji & others,

>  

> There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets) come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called

experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in

this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya

Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also

specified in the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that

several “astrologers†in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong

notion that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction

could be found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each other.

>  

> There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart

indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the

starter group of astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they

are able to identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4

blind persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that

elephant is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

>  

> A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other   factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude, traits

of native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

>  

> Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner while the other

is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate times and

need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti,

the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon

and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a

normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of

lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to those

planets are effective in any situation.

>  

> The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or

from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other

factors. The indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and

need not exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaroâ€.

The English translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cookâ€. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications in real

situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into the language.

“daaso†does not merely imply that the native would be servant. One has to

understand that Saturn †" dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The

combination implies that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

servitude †" a daasa (servant)

> of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja †" dharma raja. And

when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

>  

> So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is  

>  

> So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary preferably written by M.Monier

Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may take a few

years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10

years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

>  

>   

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

>  

> Utkal,Lalit

>

> well u must go back to classics all over

>

> the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar

one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the

eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to

be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the

earth and appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry

war etc

>

> we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely not

the rishies

>

> pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators

worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

>

> and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it

is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be

classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom

in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u

can call it

>

> all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of

Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no

area is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall

essence as we know

> this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

>

> I reqauest members like

> RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

>

> best wishes

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

>

> Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

>

> pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

>

> Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

>

> I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their life.

>

> Regards,

> Utkal.

> , Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear kunal ji

> > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my knowledge.

> > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction

like when both grahas are less than

> > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary war

takes place in which the planet

> > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in which

grhas are present and also those

> > which they signify.

> > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems like

arthritis etc.Â

> > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > thing automatically occurs.

> > YOURS SINCERELY

> > Archita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> >

> > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Archita

> >

> > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way effect

10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house! Another

person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> >

> > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the whole

horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

> >

> > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> >

> > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> >

> > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> >

> > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal

Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence

of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> >

> > Your sincerely,

> > Kunal Nath.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sir,

Probably in this thread it is more of Astronomical importance between two

heavenly bodies,is being reviewed than any specific end result on any individual

chart.

CLassical do refer to Graha Yuddha otherwise as Graha Kutami.iam not sure whther

one refers to the other or substitutes to imply same thing..

Conjunction of such important of different implications was also termed as Guru

Chandla Yoga.The impct between them due to conjuction depending on the sign

location will habe impact in natal charts as well as for mundane puposes.This

gives rise to a doubt,whether Graha Kutami is the same thing as Graha

Yuddha.Yuddha as v often is it really meanining for geo dynamic forces or or

mutual pull between two or more planets.

Ofcourse this made me to cull ot the following to have definete view.These

include;

1.BHPS

2.Brihat Samhita

3.Jataka Parijata

4.sarvarha Chintamani

5.uttara Kalamrita

yet I got exhausted only get guided by the collective wisdom.

Yuddha between slow moving planets,mainly jupiter and saturn known to be having

heavy bodies size wise have relational strength with reference to sun.

As planets nearest to Sun, we understand that their apprent motion changes.Like

Jupiter around 11 deg and saturn 15 deg to sun become combust.otherwise

conjunction can be longitudes wise..between if the palnet HAVING LESSER

lonitudes is said to have strength than the other one.

As a planet in transit attaining 30 deg change sign regulalrly.In the process

sun changes sign for every 30 days.

Also when a planet longitude goes beyond 20 deg it's strength progressively

decreases and ultmately near to 30 deg it is sayan or Mritha avastha.

Like on 26th when sun was around 10 .20 deg saturn was at same longitude

Like wise jupiter at same deg as of sun on Nov 10th 2009

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:30 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prashant ji & others,

 

There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5 planets) come

in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called experienced

astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in this forum

sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya Yudha. This

is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also specified in

the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that several

“astrologers†in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion

that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it depends on

speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each other.

 

There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart indicates

relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the starter group of

astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they are able to

identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4 blind

persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that elephant

is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

 

A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other   factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude, traits

of native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

 

Hence, The effect of griha yudha – one planet is the winner while the other is

a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate times and

need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti,

the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon

and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a

normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of

lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to those

planets are effective in any situation.

 

The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or from

Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other factors. The

indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and need not

exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaroâ€.

The English translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cookâ€. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications in real

situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into the language.

“daaso†does not merely imply that the native would be servant. One has to

understand that Saturn – dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The

combination implies that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

servitude – a daasa (servant)

of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside – right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja – dharma raja. And

when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

 

So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation & combination

of effects & shapes that a living being is  

 

So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit – English dictionary preferably written by M.Monier

Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may take a few

years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10

years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

 

  

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

 

Utkal,Lalit

 

well u must go back to classics all over

 

the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar one

more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the eleptical

orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to be so but

that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the earth and

appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

 

we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely not

the rishies

 

pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators worth

their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

 

and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it is

not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be classified

or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom in a diff

level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u can call

it

 

all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of Vedic

jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no area

is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall essence

as we know

this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

 

I reqauest members like

RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

 

best wishes

 

...- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

 

____________ _________ _________ __

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

 

Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

 

pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

 

Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

 

I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their life..

 

Regards,

Utkal.

, Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear kunal ji

> Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my knowledge.

> Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction like

when both grahas are less than

> 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary war

takes place in which the planet

> having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in which

grhas are present and also those

> which they signify.

> Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems like

arthritis etc.Â

> One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> thing automatically occurs.

> YOURS SINCERELY

> Archita

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

>

> Â

> Dear Archita

>

> I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way effect

10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house! Another

person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

>

> One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the whole

horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

>

> But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

>

> This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

>

> In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

>

> I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal Sundari

form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence of life

is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

>

> Your sincerely,

> Kunal Nath.

>

 

[Guest guest]

To All,

 

Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

needed, instead of general statements.

 

-VJ

=============== =====

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

interest etc.

>

> Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

Narasimha Rao does.

>

> Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

>

> Respectfully submitted,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > Â

> > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

clarifying many times, I find that several “astrologersâ€

in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

> > Â

> > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

who touched its leg).

> > Â

> > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > Â

> > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation.

> > Â

> > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaroâ€. The English

translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cookâ€. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

the language. “daaso†does not merely imply that the

native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

†" a daasa (servant)

> > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

could also take a different shape.

> > Â

> > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > Â

> > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > Â

> > Â Â

> > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> >

> > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

Yuddha is classical 7/1

> >

> > Â

> > Utkal,Lalit

> >

> > well u must go back to classics all over

> >

> > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> >

> > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

surely not the rishies

> >

> > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> >

> > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> >

> > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

still not from from overall essence as we know

> > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> >

> > I reqauest members like

> > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

views on the same

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> >

> > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

conjunction of multiple planets.

> >

> > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> >

> > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

their life.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal.

> > , Karan Kumari

<architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear kunal ji

> > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

knowledge.

> > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

in which grhas are present and also those

> > > which they signify.

> > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

if they demand so many things from lord

> > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > Archita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Archita

> > >

> > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > >

> > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

" tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

righteousness!

> > >

> > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > >

> > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > >

> > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > >

> > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > >

> > > Your sincerely,

> > > Kunal Nath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji

 

Graha yuddha is used the clasics u quoted and more so in ayurdhaya calculations,

shad bala calculations the manual on Hindu astrology, Graha and Bhava Balas also

do cover them

 

when 2 or more grahas r in same longitude the one with greater

Kranti=declination gets vanquished in the graha yudda or planetry war is what is

said and one that is vanquished its dasas, buktis etc are weak to deliver good

results and add to malafic content, similarly on ayurdhaya it reduces the no of

yrs a graha allots to the longevity

 

in shad balas also therer r points/bindhus reduced for such grahas

 

well to say more I have to refresh my calcuations part have been using s/w

since 1988 so almost given up calculatins unless testing a new s/w 1st do with

already tested s/w and if there is doubt only go to the back to the basics

route.

 

 

but ppl contesting all classics and great rishies won't see any wisdom anywhere

anyway but the door havoing been thrown open surely many new comers can at least

benefit from our exchanges positively

 

than being mislead by house flies.

 

thanks

 

prashant

 

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 8:28:31 PM

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

 

Sir,

Probably in this thread it is more of Astronomical importance between two

heavenly bodies,is being reviewed than any specific end result on any individual

chart.

CLassical do refer to Graha Yuddha otherwise as Graha Kutami.iam not sure whther

one refers to the other or substitutes to imply same thing..

Conjunction of such important of different implications was also termed as Guru

Chandla Yoga.The impct between them due to conjuction depending on the sign

location will habe impact in natal charts as well as for mundane puposes.This

gives rise to a doubt,whether Graha Kutami is the same thing as Graha

Yuddha.Yuddha as v often is it really meanining for geo dynamic forces or or

mutual pull between two or more planets.

Ofcourse this made me to cull ot the following to have definete view.These

include;

1.BHPS

2.Brihat Samhita

3.Jataka Parijata

4.sarvarha Chintamani

5.uttara Kalamrita

yet I got exhausted only get guided by the collective wisdom.

Yuddha between slow moving planets,mainly jupiter and saturn known to be having

heavy bodies size wise have relational strength with reference to sun.

As planets nearest to Sun, we understand that their apprent motion changes.Like

Jupiter around 11 deg and saturn 15 deg to sun become combust.otherwise

conjunction can be longitudes wise..between if the palnet HAVING LESSER

lonitudes is said to have strength than the other one.

As a planet in transit attaining 30 deg change sign regulalrly.In the process

sun changes sign for every 30 days.

Also when a planet longitude goes beyond 20 deg it's strength progressively

decreases and ultmately near to 30 deg it is sayan or Mritha avastha.

Like on 26th when sun was around 10 .20 deg saturn was at same longitude

Like wise jupiter at same deg as of sun on Nov 10th 2009

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:30 AM

 

 

 

Dear Prashant ji & others,

 

There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5 planets) come

in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called experienced

astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in this forum

sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya Yudha. This

is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also specified in

the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that several

“astrologers†in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion

that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it depends on

speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each other.

 

There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart indicates

relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the starter group of

astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they are able to

identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4 blind

persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that elephant

is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

 

A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude, traits of

native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

 

Hence, The effect of griha yudha – one planet is the winner while the other is

a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate times and

need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti,

the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon

and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a

normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of

lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to those

planets are effective in any situation.

 

The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or from

Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other factors. The

indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and need not

exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaroâ€.

The English translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cookâ€. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications in real

situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into the language.

“daaso†does not merely imply that the native would be servant. One has to

understand that Saturn – dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The

combination implies that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

servitude – a daasa (servant)

of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside – right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja – dharma raja. And

when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

 

So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation & combination

of effects & shapes that a living being is

 

So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit – English dictionary preferably written by M.Monier

Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may take a few

years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10

years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

 

Utkal,Lalit

 

well u must go back to classics all over

 

the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar one

more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the eleptical

orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to be so but

that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the earth and

appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

 

we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely not

the rishies

 

pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators worth

their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

 

and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it is

not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be classified

or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom in a diff

level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u can call

it

 

all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of Vedic

jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no area

is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall essence

as we know

this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

 

I reqauest members like

RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

 

best wishes

 

...- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

 

____________ _________ _________ __

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

 

Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

 

pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

 

Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

 

I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their life..

 

Regards,

Utkal.

, Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear kunal ji

> Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my knowledge.

> Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction like

when both grahas are less than

> 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary war

takes place in which the planet

> having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in which

grhas are present and also those

> which they signify.

> Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems like

arthritis etc.Â

> One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> thing automatically occurs.

> YOURS SINCERELY

> Archita

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

>

> Â

> Dear Archita

>

> I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way effect

10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house! Another

person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

>

> One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the whole

horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

>

> But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

>

> This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

>

> In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

>

> I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal Sundari

form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence of life

is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

>

> Your sincerely,

> Kunal Nath.

>

 

[Guest guest]

dear Vinay ji

 

u have not said who has to one contestig the established principles of graha

yudha or all of us who belive in what our rishies have said and stalwarts like

raman, k n rao, ps shastry, divkara venketa subbarao, santanam etc have worked

all these yrs

 

and if u feel the rishies r right too u can quote from some classics and ur

views and will help membership refresh themselves one hand and freshers can

know from authentic sources.

 

and those who contest rishies and establised wisdom anyway dont have the stuff

to show otherwise

will be glad to see them though like all of u

 

best wishes

 

 

..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

VJha <vinayjhaa16

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 8:32:39 PM

Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

 

 

To All,

 

Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

needed, instead of general statements.

 

-VJ

============ === =====

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

interest etc.

>

> Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

Narasimha Rao does.

>

> Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

>

> Respectfully submitted,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > Â

> > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

clarifying many times, I find that several “astrologers�

in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

> > Â

> > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

who touched its leg).

> > Â

> > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > Â

> > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation.

> > Â

> > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaro�. The English

translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cook�. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

the language. “daaso� does not merely imply that the

native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

†" a daasa (servant)

> > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

could also take a different shape.

> > Â

> > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > Â

> > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > Â

> > Â Â

> > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> >

> > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

Yuddha is classical 7/1

> >

> > Â

> > Utkal,Lalit

> >

> > well u must go back to classics all over

> >

> > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> >

> > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

surely not the rishies

> >

> > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> >

> > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> >

> > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

still not from from overall essence as we know

> > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> >

> > I reqauest members like

> > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

views on the same

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> >

> > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

conjunction of multiple planets.

> >

> > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> >

> > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

their life.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal.

> > , Karan Kumari

<architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear kunal ji

> > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

knowledge.

> > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

in which grhas are present and also those

> > > which they signify.

> > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

if they demand so many things from lord

> > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > Archita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Archita

> > >

> > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > >

> > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

" tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

righteousness!

> > >

> > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > >

> > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > >

> > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > >

> > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > >

> > > Your sincerely,

> > > Kunal Nath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

That what is called Grah Yudha was in essence an effort towards understanding

conjunction of multiple planets on same sign, This was the effort that was done

by our ancient seers.

 

When I say this, strangely some of you unnecessarily rushing to project that I

have not studied classics, perhapse, most often I do study of classics, without

a study, how one can propose a modification to existing belief or urging you to

follow ancient seers. Their path was to dig more, to discover more, had they

kept inertia in their apporach, had they been dogmatic or so much conservative,

there has been no growth in any subject.

 

Let's follow the path that's shown by those sages to whom you are referring to,

in your arguments, not the argument but constructive work helps.

 

I m going through every body's proposition and excitement.

 

I take this opportunity to begin an age of progressive outlook as going forward

Jyotish or astrology w'd be chief instrument safeguarding our heritage and vedic

wisdom.

 

I w'd respond to your concerns positively, I am trully grateful to Rohini Ji,

Like a true elderly experienced guide he has said something to everybody,

Let's work togather for knowing more and also for discovering more.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 10:16:41 PM

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

 

dear Vinay ji

 

u have not said who has to one contestig the established principles of graha

yudha or all of us who belive in what our rishies have said and stalwarts like

raman, k n rao, ps shastry, divkara venketa subbarao, santanam etc have worked

all these yrs

 

and if u feel the rishies r right too u can quote from some classics and ur

views and will help membership refresh themselves one hand and freshers can know

from authentic sources.

 

and those who contest rishies and establised wisdom anyway dont have the stuff

to show otherwise

will be glad to see them though like all of u

 

best wishes

 

..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

 

____________ _________ _________ __

VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 8:32:39 PM

Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

 

To All,

 

Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

needed, instead of general statements.

 

-VJ

============ === =====

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

interest etc.

>

> Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

Narasimha Rao does.

>

> Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere....!

>

> Respectfully submitted,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > Â

> > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

clarifying many times, I find that several “astrologers�

in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

> > Â

> > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

who touched its leg).

> > Â

> > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > Â

> > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation.

> > Â

> > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaro�. The English

translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cook�. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

the language. “daaso� does not merely imply that the

native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

†" a daasa (servant)

> > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

could also take a different shape.

> > Â

> > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > Â

> > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > Â

> > Â Â

> > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> >

> > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

Yuddha is classical 7/1

> >

> > Â

> > Utkal,Lalit

> >

> > well u must go back to classics all over

> >

> > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> >

> > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

surely not the rishies

> >

> > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> >

> > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> >

> > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

still not from from overall essence as we know

> > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> >

> > I reqauest members like

> > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

views on the same

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> >

> > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

conjunction of multiple planets.

> >

> > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> >

> > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

their life.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal.

> > , Karan Kumari

<architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear kunal ji

> > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

knowledge.

> > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

in which grhas are present and also those

> > > which they signify.

> > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

if they demand so many things from lord

> > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > Archita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Archita

> > >

> > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > >

> > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

" tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

righteousness!

> > >

> > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > >

> > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > >

> > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > >

> > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > >

> > > Your sincerely,

> > > Kunal Nath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Krishnan_dada,

 

When I was a tiny tot, the story of Bruce impressed me! He watched an insect --

a spider -- try 25 times before it managed to climb to where it was planning to

go! I consider myself fortunate because though two of my earlier postings (much

better crafted) were decimated by *LET US BLoME IT ON INTERNET!* -- after the

fifth attempt hopefully this one will pass through the eye of the needle as the

bible assures us!

 

Dear Krishnan_dada,

 

Please let us not turn this into CLASSICS vs the RENEGADES! :-)

 

Whether one loves or hates classics (I happen to be with the majority view on

that matter!) -- but in all honesty and clarity, I must also point out that what

is ASSUMED to be Classics might need some reexamination! And this goes BEYOND a

small factor like Griha-Yuddha that interestingly brought on this 'yuddha' on

;-)

 

WELL NOT QUITE YUDDHA! We are all decent and docile worldly folks with very

little fire left in our aging bellies (or is it bellys?)! :-)

 

Like I stated (if I have once, I have a million times even though people may

have tried to twist and hi-jack my statements in a myriad different ways as

recently seen on another forum!) -- I am grateful for what we have received and

more importantly RETAINED!

 

But CLASSICS to me is PURE as MA! Unwavering! Not changing rules or appearances!

Even for the sake of APPEARANCES!!

 

How can one be sure which -- of the half a dozen versions available and admitted

to by reputable jyotishis of all kinds of spiritual levels as being a PROBLEM --

REPRESENT THE ONE AND ONLY CLASSIC -- THE ORIGINAL VERSION THAT PARASHARA SPAKE!

 

Common sense must prevail or we all are back to the INFANTILE GAMES that have

been polluting JYOTISH for the last decade or two!

 

" MY dad is not bigger than yours, because we are brothers! " :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir,

> Probably in this thread it is more of Astronomical importance between two

heavenly bodies,is being reviewed than any specific end result on any individual

chart.

> CLassical do refer to Graha Yuddha otherwise as Graha Kutami.iam not sure

whther one refers to the other or substitutes to imply same thing..

> Conjunction of such important of different implications was also termed as

Guru Chandla Yoga.The impct between them due to conjuction depending on the sign

location will habe impact in natal charts as well as for mundane puposes.This

gives rise to a doubt,whether Graha Kutami is the same thing as Graha

Yuddha.Yuddha as v often is it really meanining for geo dynamic forces or or

mutual pull between two or more planets.

> Ofcourse this made me to cull ot the following to have definete view.These

include;

> 1.BHPS

> 2.Brihat Samhita

> 3.Jataka Parijata

> 4.sarvarha Chintamani

> 5.uttara Kalamrita

> yet I got exhausted only get guided by the collective wisdom.

> Yuddha between slow moving planets,mainly jupiter and saturn known to be

having heavy bodies size wise have relational strength with reference to sun.

> As planets nearest to Sun, we understand that their apprent motion

changes.Like Jupiter around 11 deg and saturn 15 deg to sun become

combust.otherwise conjunction can be longitudes wise..between if the palnet

HAVING LESSER lonitudes is said to have strength than the other one.

> As a planet in transit attaining 30 deg change sign regulalrly.In the process

sun changes sign for every 30 days.

> Also when a planet longitude goes beyond 20 deg it's strength progressively

decreases and ultmately near to 30 deg it is sayan or Mritha avastha.

> Like on 26th when sun was around 10 .20 deg saturn was at same longitude

> Like wise jupiter at same deg as of sun on Nov 10th 2009

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

> Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:30 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Prashant ji & others,

>  

> There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets) come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called

experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in

this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya

Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also

specified in the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that

several “astrologers†in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong

notion that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction

could be found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each other.

>  

> There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart

indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the

starter group of astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they

are able to identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4

blind persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that

elephant is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

>  

> A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other   factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude, traits

of native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

>  

> Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner while the other

is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate times and

need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti,

the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon

and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a

normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of

lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to those

planets are effective in any situation.

>  

> The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or

from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other

factors. The indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and

need not exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaroâ€.

The English translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cookâ€. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications in real

situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into the language.

“daaso†does not merely imply that the native would be servant. One has to

understand that Saturn †" dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The

combination implies that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

servitude †" a daasa (servant)

> of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja †" dharma raja. And

when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

>  

> So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is  

>  

> So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary preferably written by M.Monier

Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may take a few

years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10

years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

>  

>   

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

>  

> Utkal,Lalit

>

> well u must go back to classics all over

>

> the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar

one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the

eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to

be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the

earth and appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry

war etc

>

> we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely not

the rishies

>

> pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators

worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

>

> and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it

is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be

classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom

in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u

can call it

>

> all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of

Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no

area is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall

essence as we know

> this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

>

> I reqauest members like

> RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

>

> best wishes

>

> ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

>

> Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

>

> pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

>

> Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

>

> I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their life..

>

> Regards,

> Utkal.

> , Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear kunal ji

> > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my knowledge.

> > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction

like when both grahas are less than

> > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary war

takes place in which the planet

> > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in which

grhas are present and also those

> > which they signify.

> > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems like

arthritis etc.Â

> > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > thing automatically occurs.

> > YOURS SINCERELY

> > Archita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> >

> > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Archita

> >

> > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way effect

10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house! Another

person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> >

> > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the whole

horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

> >

> > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> >

> > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> >

> > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> >

> > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal

Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence

of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> >

> > Your sincerely,

> > Kunal Nath.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

U/L

 

well the onus is on u NOW to state ur case with examples more than others in the

thread as it is U who has contested the rules

 

though we do agree the need to fine tune the rules to our times is there but as

u see evolution is like ape to man and in the man also it is pure refinement of

the features with reduction of agility, limb, lung power, more the tools we use

less efficient we r physically. or at the mercy of the weather be it heat or

cold, drought or floods....

 

 

in all these cases the human body shape, content remained same is the point and

no way can we change the body, soul some refinements-yes

 

so lets see case studies from u with the old rules and what u feel needs to be

changed

 

 

if combustion, retrogression, planetary war etc r not there then all yoga

forming combination come into full force the fact they don't happen is due to

some of these qualifications

 

say one defeated in planetary war or is combust, or one of the is retrograde the

yogas don;t result

 

inspite of the dasa on a good gochara

 

any yoga combination must be in similar potion, strenght.

 

best wishes

 

Prashant

, Utkal Panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>  

> That what is called Grah Yudha was in essence an effort towards understanding

conjunction of multiple planets on same sign, This was the effort that was done

by our ancient seers.

>  

> When I say this, strangely some of you unnecessarily rushing to project that I

have not studied classics, perhapse, most often I do study of classics, without

a study, how one can propose a modification to existing belief or urging you to

follow ancient seers. Their path was to dig more, to discover more, had they

kept inertia in their apporach, had they been dogmatic or so much conservative,

there has been no growth in any subject.

>  

> Let's follow the path that's shown by those sages to whom you are referring

to, in your arguments, not the argument but constructive work helps.

>

> I m going through every body's proposition and excitement.

>  

> I take this opportunity to begin an age of progressive outlook as going

forward Jyotish or astrology w'd be chief instrument safeguarding our heritage

and vedic wisdom.

>  

> I w'd respond to your concerns positively, I am trully grateful to Rohini Ji,

Like a true elderly experienced guide he has said something to everybody,

Let's work togather for knowing more and also for discovering more.

>  

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 10:16:41 PM

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

>  

> dear Vinay ji

>

> u have not said who has to one contestig the established principles of graha

yudha or all of us who belive in what our rishies have said and stalwarts like

raman, k n rao, ps shastry, divkara venketa subbarao, santanam etc have worked

all these yrs

>

> and if u feel the rishies r right too u can quote from some classics and ur

views and will help membership refresh themselves one hand and freshers can know

from authentic sources.

>

> and those who contest rishies and establised wisdom anyway dont have the stuff

to show otherwise

> will be glad to see them though like all of u

>

> best wishes

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 8:32:39 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

>

> To All,

>

> Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

> needed, instead of general statements.

>

> -VJ

> ============ === =====

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

> discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

> certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

> Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

> interest etc.

> >

> > Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

> the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

> made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

> griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

> of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

> and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

> clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

> without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

> manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

> or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

> is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

> Narasimha Rao does.

> >

> > Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

> rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere....!

> >

> > Respectfully submitted,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > > Â

> > > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

> planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

> called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

> been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

> participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

> the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

> clarifying many times, I find that several  " astrologers�

> in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

> planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

> found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

> depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

> other.

> > > Â

> > > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

> chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

> in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

> effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

> charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

> of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

> who touched its leg).

> > > Â

> > > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

> lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

> nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

> natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

> yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > > Â

> > > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

> while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

> those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

> native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

> become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

> has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

> after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

> lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

> strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

> those planets are effective in any situation.

> > > Â

> > > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

> rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

> several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

> a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

> have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

> capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

> Mihira says  " ghatakrith daaso annnakaro�. The English

> translation would mean  " one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

> cook�. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

> in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

> the language.  " daaso� does not merely imply that the

> native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

> dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

> that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

> †" a daasa (servant)

> > > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

> pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

> The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

> yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

> dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

> dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

> nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

> into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

> could also take a different shape.

> > > Â

> > > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

> combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > > Â

> > > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

> original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

> preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

> is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

> foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

> use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > > Â

> > > Â Â

> > > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> > >

> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

> Yuddha is classical 7/1

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Utkal,Lalit

> > >

> > > well u must go back to classics all over

> > >

> > > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

> similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

> to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

> they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

> longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

> direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> > >

> > > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

> surely not the rishies

> > >

> > > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

> comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> > >

> > > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

> wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

> can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

> discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

> or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> > >

> > > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

> principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

> land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

> still not from from overall essence as we know

> > > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> > >

> > > I reqauest members like

> > > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

> ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

> views on the same

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> > >

> > > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

> it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

> conjunction of multiple planets.

> > >

> > > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

> sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> > >

> > > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

> their life.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > > , Karan Kumari

> <architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear kunal ji

> > > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

> knowledge.

> > > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

> conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

> planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

> in which grhas are present and also those

> > > > which they signify.

> > > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

> problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

> if they demand so many things from lord

> > > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

> then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > > Archita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Archita

> > > >

> > > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

> way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

> house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

> the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

> " tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

> or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

> strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

> your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

> produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

> same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

> to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

> And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

> religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

> righteousness!

> > > >

> > > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

> produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > > >

> > > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > > >

> > > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

> once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

> sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

> life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

> Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

> gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

> that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

> or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > > >

> > > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

> Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

> the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > > >

> > > > Your sincerely,

> > > > Kunal Nath.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

(Utkal) jee,

 

I detest the label 'Guide'! I just finished reading Dev Anand's autobiography:

romancing with life! :-)

 

The book was wonderful but it also included a CD of some of his beautiful past

songs but also this 'Prime minister' bit which was recorded most recently and

not only the audio was bad, but so were the visuals!

 

I think Rajesh Khanna was the most brilliant Bollywood hero! He shall always be

remembered as the evergreen star because he left at the most appropriate time,

leaving behind some mystery, something for imagination to seek...!

 

;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Utkal Panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>  

> That what is called Grah Yudha was in essence an effort towards understanding

conjunction of multiple planets on same sign, This was the effort that was done

by our ancient seers.

>  

> When I say this, strangely some of you unnecessarily rushing to project that I

have not studied classics, perhapse, most often I do study of classics, without

a study, how one can propose a modification to existing belief or urging you to

follow ancient seers. Their path was to dig more, to discover more, had they

kept inertia in their apporach, had they been dogmatic or so much conservative,

there has been no growth in any subject.

>  

> Let's follow the path that's shown by those sages to whom you are referring

to, in your arguments, not the argument but constructive work helps.

>

> I m going through every body's proposition and excitement.

>  

> I take this opportunity to begin an age of progressive outlook as going

forward Jyotish or astrology w'd be chief instrument safeguarding our heritage

and vedic wisdom.

>  

> I w'd respond to your concerns positively, I am trully grateful to Rohini Ji,

Like a true elderly experienced guide he has said something to everybody,

Let's work togather for knowing more and also for discovering more.

>  

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 10:16:41 PM

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

>  

> dear Vinay ji

>

> u have not said who has to one contestig the established principles of graha

yudha or all of us who belive in what our rishies have said and stalwarts like

raman, k n rao, ps shastry, divkara venketa subbarao, santanam etc have worked

all these yrs

>

> and if u feel the rishies r right too u can quote from some classics and ur

views and will help membership refresh themselves one hand and freshers can know

from authentic sources.

>

> and those who contest rishies and establised wisdom anyway dont have the stuff

to show otherwise

> will be glad to see them though like all of u

>

> best wishes

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 8:32:39 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

>

> To All,

>

> Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

> needed, instead of general statements.

>

> -VJ

> ============ === =====

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

> discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

> certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

> Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

> interest etc.

> >

> > Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

> the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

> made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

> griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

> of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

> and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

> clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

> without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

> manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

> or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

> is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

> Narasimha Rao does.

> >

> > Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

> rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere....!

> >

> > Respectfully submitted,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > > Â

> > > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

> planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

> called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

> been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

> participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

> the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

> clarifying many times, I find that several  " astrologers�

> in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

> planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

> found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

> depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

> other.

> > > Â

> > > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

> chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

> in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

> effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

> charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

> of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

> who touched its leg).

> > > Â

> > > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

> lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

> nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

> natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

> yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > > Â

> > > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

> while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

> those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

> native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

> become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

> has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

> after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

> lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

> strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

> those planets are effective in any situation.

> > > Â

> > > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

> rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

> several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

> a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

> have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

> capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

> Mihira says  " ghatakrith daaso annnakaro�. The English

> translation would mean  " one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

> cook�. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

> in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

> the language.  " daaso� does not merely imply that the

> native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

> dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

> that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

> †" a daasa (servant)

> > > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

> pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

> The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

> yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

> dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

> dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

> nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

> into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

> could also take a different shape.

> > > Â

> > > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

> combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > > Â

> > > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

> original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

> preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

> is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

> foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

> use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > > Â

> > > Â Â

> > > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> > >

> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

> Yuddha is classical 7/1

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Utkal,Lalit

> > >

> > > well u must go back to classics all over

> > >

> > > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

> similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

> to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

> they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

> longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

> direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> > >

> > > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

> surely not the rishies

> > >

> > > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

> comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> > >

> > > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

> wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

> can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

> discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

> or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> > >

> > > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

> principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

> land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

> still not from from overall essence as we know

> > > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> > >

> > > I reqauest members like

> > > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

> ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

> views on the same

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> > >

> > > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

> it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

> conjunction of multiple planets.

> > >

> > > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

> sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> > >

> > > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

> their life.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > > , Karan Kumari

> <architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear kunal ji

> > > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

> knowledge.

> > > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

> conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

> planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

> in which grhas are present and also those

> > > > which they signify.

> > > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

> problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

> if they demand so many things from lord

> > > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

> then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > > Archita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Archita

> > > >

> > > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

> way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

> house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

> the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

> " tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

> or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

> strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

> your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

> produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

> same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

> to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

> And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

> religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

> righteousness!

> > > >

> > > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

> produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > > >

> > > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > > >

> > > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

> once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

> sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

> life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

> Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

> gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

> that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

> or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > > >

> > > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

> Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

> the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > > >

> > > > Your sincerely,

> > > > Kunal Nath.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Do you still feel the same way, Vinay_jee?

 

After the fall-out over the past few hours ... ;-)

 

Little wonder that the wild(er) world out there is all in turmoil!

 

Comparatively speaking -- Internet Jyotish is like a vacation!! Won't you

agree??

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To All,

>

> Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

> needed, instead of general statements.

>

> -VJ

> =============== =====

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

> discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

> certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

> Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

> interest etc.

> >

> > Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

> the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

> made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

> griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

> of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

> and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

> clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

> without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

> manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

> or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

> is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

> Narasimha Rao does.

> >

> > Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

> rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

> >

> > Respectfully submitted,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > > Â

> > > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

> planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

> called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

> been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

> participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

> the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

> clarifying many times, I find that several “astrologersâ€

> in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

> planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

> found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

> depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

> other.

> > > Â

> > > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

> chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

> in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

> effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

> charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

> of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

> who touched its leg).

> > > Â

> > > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

> lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

> nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

> natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

> yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > > Â

> > > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

> while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

> those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

> native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

> become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

> has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

> after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

> lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

> strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

> those planets are effective in any situation.

> > > Â

> > > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

> rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

> several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

> a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

> have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

> capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

> Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaroâ€. The English

> translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

> cookâ€. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

> in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

> the language. “daaso†does not merely imply that the

> native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

> dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

> that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

> †" a daasa (servant)

> > > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

> pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

> The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

> yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

> dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

> dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

> nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

> into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

> could also take a different shape.

> > > Â

> > > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

> combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > > Â

> > > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

> original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

> preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

> is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

> foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

> use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > > Â

> > > Â Â

> > > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> > >

> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

> Yuddha is classical 7/1

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Utkal,Lalit

> > >

> > > well u must go back to classics all over

> > >

> > > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

> similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

> to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

> they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

> longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

> direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> > >

> > > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

> surely not the rishies

> > >

> > > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

> comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> > >

> > > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

> wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

> can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

> discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

> or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> > >

> > > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

> principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

> land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

> still not from from overall essence as we know

> > > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> > >

> > > I reqauest members like

> > > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

> ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

> views on the same

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> > >

> > > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

> it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

> conjunction of multiple planets.

> > >

> > > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

> sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> > >

> > > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

> their life.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > > , Karan Kumari

> <architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear kunal ji

> > > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

> knowledge.

> > > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

> conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

> planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

> in which grhas are present and also those

> > > > which they signify.

> > > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

> problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

> if they demand so many things from lord

> > > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

> then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > > Archita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Archita

> > > >

> > > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

> way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

> house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

> the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

> " tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

> or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

> strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

> your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

> produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

> same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

> to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

> And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

> religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

> righteousness!

> > > >

> > > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

> produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > > >

> > > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > > >

> > > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

> once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

> sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

> life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

> Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

> gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

> that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

> or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > > >

> > > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

> Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

> the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > > >

> > > > Your sincerely,

> > > > Kunal Nath.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Rohini Ji,Shriman Jha saheb,Shri Suresh ji ,Prashnat Ji and members

In the heat of our determiistic approach we some times tend to ignore,the kind

of felxibility in built in the definition of jyotish itself.

The theories made out of wisdom hs certainly relevance to changing times.Who

ever takes the credit of CLASSICS ,v have some thing as a root.This root is just

for us understand,anlyse and consider as per the prevailing times.

Infact me,with sun in 8th being a leg empiire involved both Saturn and Venus to

wage WAR.Fomr me i took as " kutami " as v join together for what you have thought

of ://INFANTILE GAMES that have been polluting JYOTISH for the last decade or

two!//

2.Probably as our bellys r growing(instead of aging bellies)v need to strive a

bit more to think in terms of://what is ASSUMED to be Classics might need some

reexamination//

3.Our simple ways of understanding and anlogies have been transforming into an

understandable perception and in the nearest what we really can feel and

see.Probably Jyotish can not b quarrentined.Might b the internet infested ideas

might some time indicate a big vaccum in what was conveyed and what really focus

upon.problems of progeny,problems coming out of 'libs " having their base in

freedom of speech,of finances.of what is thought etc have place in today's world

for the sake of personal space through technology as way as by leagal

means.Possibly religions as on date might not have consensus on the subjects

whther in vatican or Poori idealogies.

Today every one tries to graduate in a field of his option that carries the

label of recognition.This needs to be honoured.

Ofcourse in our transition,v have to put a limit on ourselves before we can

mutate for understanding of others.

4.it is beyond any doubt that:// CLASSICS to me is PURE as MA! Unwavering! Not

changing rules or appearances! Even for the sake of APPEARANCES! !//

with less or more of burnt finguers and dwelling upon concepts,perhaps v need

the support of power points to take a step ahead with some liberty and convey

our thoughts however they might be rengated.

This is only an axis to enlighten ourselves for better understanding of the

problems posed and the vedic ways thought over in classical ways by different

seers with different convictions and each one sticking to his own guns finally.

You r ofcourse correct as Internet jyotish forums r not meant for exploration

and doing research.

one thing I have no hesitation to feel that v r still " tiny tots " to comprehend

the strength of planets though it was thought over as six fold strength but it's

real relvance in day to day life is not easy to apply and infer.

 

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

 

Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 9:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan_dada,

 

When I was a tiny tot, the story of Bruce impressed me! He watched an insect --

a spider -- try 25 times before it managed to climb to where it was planning to

go! I consider myself fortunate because though two of my earlier postings (much

better crafted) were decimated by *LET US BLoME IT ON INTERNET!* -- after the

fifth attempt hopefully this one will pass through the eye of the needle as the

bible assures us!

 

Dear Krishnan_dada,

 

Please let us not turn this into CLASSICS vs the RENEGADES! :-)

 

Whether one loves or hates classics (I happen to be with the majority view on

that matter!) -- but in all honesty and clarity, I must also point out that what

is ASSUMED to be Classics might need some reexamination! And this goes BEYOND a

small factor like Griha-Yuddha that interestingly brought on this 'yuddha' on

;-)

 

WELL NOT QUITE YUDDHA! We are all decent and docile worldly folks with very

little fire left in our aging bellies (or is it bellys?)! :-)

 

Like I stated (if I have once, I have a million times even though people may

have tried to twist and hi-jack my statements in a myriad different ways as

recently seen on another forum!) -- I am grateful for what we have received and

more importantly RETAINED!

 

But CLASSICS to me is PURE as MA! Unwavering! Not changing rules or appearances!

Even for the sake of APPEARANCES! !

 

How can one be sure which -- of the half a dozen versions available and admitted

to by reputable jyotishis of all kinds of spiritual levels as being a PROBLEM --

REPRESENT THE ONE AND ONLY CLASSIC -- THE ORIGINAL VERSION THAT PARASHARA SPAKE!

 

Common sense must prevail or we all are back to the INFANTILE GAMES that have

been polluting JYOTISH for the last decade or two!

 

" MY dad is not bigger than yours, because we are brothers! " :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> Probably in this thread it is more of Astronomical importance between two

heavenly bodies,is being reviewed than any specific end result on any individual

chart.

> CLassical do refer to Graha Yuddha otherwise as Graha Kutami.iam not sure

whther one refers to the other or substitutes to imply same thing..

> Conjunction of such important of different implications was also termed as

Guru Chandla Yoga.The impct between them due to conjuction depending on the sign

location will habe impact in natal charts as well as for mundane puposes.This

gives rise to a doubt,whether Graha Kutami is the same thing as Graha

Yuddha.Yuddha as v often is it really meanining for geo dynamic forces or or

mutual pull between two or more planets.

> Ofcourse this made me to cull ot the following to have definete view.These

include;

> 1.BHPS

> 2.Brihat Samhita

> 3.Jataka Parijata

> 4.sarvarha Chintamani

> 5.uttara Kalamrita

> yet I got exhausted only get guided by the collective wisdom.

> Yuddha between slow moving planets,mainly jupiter and saturn known to be

having heavy bodies size wise have relational strength with reference to sun.

> As planets nearest to Sun, we understand that their apprent motion

changes.Like Jupiter around 11 deg and saturn 15 deg to sun become

combust.otherwise conjunction can be longitudes wise..between if the palnet

HAVING LESSER lonitudes is said to have strength than the other one.

> As a planet in transit attaining 30 deg change sign regulalrly.In the process

sun changes sign for every 30 days.

> Also when a planet longitude goes beyond 20 deg it's strength progressively

decreases and ultmately near to 30 deg it is sayan or Mritha avastha.

> Like on 26th when sun was around 10 .20 deg saturn was at same longitude

> Like wise jupiter at same deg as of sun on Nov 10th 2009

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

> Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:30 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Prashant ji & others,

>  

> There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets) come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called

experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in

this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya

Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also

specified in the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that

several “astrologers� in these forums still base their analysis on

the wrong notion that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though

conjuction could be found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts

as it depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

>  

> There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart

indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the

starter group of astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they

are able to identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4

blind persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that

elephant is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

>  

> A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other   factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude,

traits of native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

>  

> Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner while the

other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate

times and need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa

/ bhukti, the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp

phenomenon and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup

and lead a normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the

strength of lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the

foundation strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation..

>  

> The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or

from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other

factors. The indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and

need not exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso

annnakaro�. The English translation would mean “one who makes

earthen pots, servant and a cook�. However, these words has much wider

meaning & implications in real situations. In order to understand one will have

to go deep into the language. “daaso� does not merely imply that

the native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †" dharma

raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies that in the

upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

servitude †" a daasa (servant)

> of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja †" dharma raja.

And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

>  

> So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is  

>  

> So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary preferably written by

M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may

take a few years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes

atleast 5- 10 years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with

astrology.

>  

>   

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

>  

> Utkal,Lalit

>

> well u must go back to classics all over

>

> the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar

one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the

eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to

be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the

earth and appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry

war etc

>

> we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely not

the rishies

>

> pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators

worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

>

> and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it

is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be

classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom

in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u

can call it

>

> all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of

Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no

area is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall

essence as we know

> this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

>

> I reqauest members like

> RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

>

> best wishes

>

> ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

>

> Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

>

> pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

>

> Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

>

> I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their life..

>

> Regards,

> Utkal.

> , Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ....>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear kunal ji

> > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my knowledge.

> > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction

like when both grahas are less than

> > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary war

takes place in which the planet

> > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in which

grhas are present and also those

> > which they signify.

> > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems like

arthritis etc.Â

> > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > thing automatically occurs.

> > YOURS SINCERELY

> > Archita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> >

> > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Archita

> >

> > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way effect

10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house! Another

person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> >

> > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the whole

horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

> >

> > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> >

> > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> >

> > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> >

> > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal

Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence

of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> >

> > Your sincerely,

> > Kunal Nath.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Nice to see such positive inclinations so that too feel responsible for doing a

sincere effort for promotion and growth of jyotish as useful and understandable

in present context

//I take this opportunity to begin an age of progressive outlook as going

forward Jyotish or astrology w'd be chief instrument safeguarding our heritage

and vedic wisdom.//

 

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Utkal Panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote:

 

 

Utkal Panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

That what is called Grah Yudha was in essence an effort towards understanding

conjunction of multiple planets on same sign, This was the effort that was done

by our ancient seers.

 

When I say this, strangely some of you unnecessarily rushing to project that I

have not studied classics, perhapse, most often I do study of classics, without

a study, how one can propose a modification to existing belief or urging you to

follow ancient seers. Their path was to dig more, to discover more, had they

kept inertia in their apporach, had they been dogmatic or so much conservative,

there has been no growth in any subject.

 

Let's follow the path that's shown by those sages to whom you are referring to,

in your arguments, not the argument but constructive work helps.

 

I m going through every body's proposition and excitement.

 

I take this opportunity to begin an age of progressive outlook as going forward

Jyotish or astrology w'd be chief instrument safeguarding our heritage and vedic

wisdom.

 

I w'd respond to your concerns positively, I am trully grateful to Rohini Ji,

Like a true elderly experienced guide he has said something to everybody,

Let's work togather for knowing more and also for discovering more.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 10:16:41 PM

Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

 

 

dear Vinay ji

 

u have not said who has to one contestig the established principles of graha

yudha or all of us who belive in what our rishies have said and stalwarts like

raman, k n rao, ps shastry, divkara venketa subbarao, santanam etc have worked

all these yrs

 

and if u feel the rishies r right too u can quote from some classics and ur

views and will help membership refresh themselves one hand and freshers can know

from authentic sources.

 

and those who contest rishies and establised wisdom anyway dont have the stuff

to show otherwise

will be glad to see them though like all of u

 

best wishes

 

...- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

 

____________ _________ _________ __

VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 8:32:39 PM

Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

 

To All,

 

Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

needed, instead of general statements.

 

-VJ

============ === =====

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

interest etc.

>

> Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

Narasimha Rao does.

>

> Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere.... !

>

> Respectfully submitted,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > Â

> > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

clarifying many times, I find that several “astrologers�

in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

> > Â

> > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

who touched its leg).

> > Â

> > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > Â

> > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation.

> > Â

> > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaro�. The English

translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

cook�. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

the language. “daaso� does not merely imply that the

native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

†" a daasa (servant)

> > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

could also take a different shape.

> > Â

> > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > Â

> > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > Â

> > Â Â

> > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> >

> > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

Yuddha is classical 7/1

> >

> > Â

> > Utkal,Lalit

> >

> > well u must go back to classics all over

> >

> > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> >

> > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

surely not the rishies

> >

> > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> >

> > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> >

> > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

still not from from overall essence as we know

> > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> >

> > I reqauest members like

> > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

views on the same

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> >

> > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

conjunction of multiple planets.

> >

> > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> >

> > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

their life.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal.

> > , Karan Kumari

<architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear kunal ji

> > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

knowledge.

> > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

in which grhas are present and also those

> > > which they signify.

> > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

if they demand so many things from lord

> > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > Archita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Archita

> > >

> > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > >

> > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

" tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

righteousness!

> > >

> > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > >

> > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > >

> > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > >

> > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > >

> > > Your sincerely,

> > > Kunal Nath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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To reiterate, Krishnan ji, I have undying faith in CLASSICS! What I question is

the current versions that have arrived and how closely do they resemble the

ORIGINAL BODY OF KNOWLEDGE -- which was ORAL!

 

One need not go too far! BPHS is available in many versions with significant

differences in some cases.

 

WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL?

 

To give a concrete example. I do not question the veracity of Jesus Christ, but

I do question the association with Shroud of Turin!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini Ji,Shriman Jha saheb,Shri Suresh ji ,Prashnat Ji and members

> In the heat of our determiistic approach we some times tend to ignore,the kind

of felxibility in built in the definition of jyotish itself.

> The theories made out of wisdom hs certainly relevance to changing times.Who

ever takes the credit of CLASSICS ,v have some thing as a root.This root is just

for us understand,anlyse and consider as per the prevailing times.

> Infact me,with sun in 8th being a leg empiire involved both Saturn and Venus

to wage WAR.Fomr me i took as " kutami " as v join together for what you have

thought of ://INFANTILE GAMES that have been polluting JYOTISH for the last

decade or two!//

> 2.Probably as our bellys r growing(instead of aging bellies)v need to strive a

bit more to think in terms of://what is ASSUMED to be Classics might need some

reexamination//

> 3.Our simple ways of understanding and anlogies have been transforming into an

understandable perception and in the nearest what we really can feel and

see.Probably Jyotish can not b quarrentined.Might b the internet infested ideas

might some time indicate a big vaccum in what was conveyed and what really focus

upon.problems of progeny,problems coming out of 'libs " having their base in

freedom of speech,of finances.of what is thought etc have place in today's world

for the sake of personal space through technology as way as by leagal

means.Possibly religions as on date might not have consensus on the subjects

whther in vatican or Poori idealogies.

> Today every one tries to graduate in a field of his option that carries the

label of recognition.This needs to be honoured.

> Ofcourse in our transition,v have to put a limit on ourselves before we can

mutate for understanding of others.

> 4.it is beyond any doubt that:// CLASSICS to me is PURE as MA! Unwavering!

Not changing rules or appearances! Even for the sake of APPEARANCES! !//

> with less or more of burnt finguers and dwelling upon concepts,perhaps v need

the support of power points to take a step ahead with some liberty and convey

our thoughts however they might be rengated.

> This is only an axis to enlighten ourselves for better understanding of the

problems posed and the vedic ways thought over in classical ways by different

seers with different convictions and each one sticking to his own guns finally.

> You r ofcourse correct as Internet jyotish forums r not meant for exploration

and doing research.

> one thing I have no hesitation to feel that v r still " tiny tots " to

comprehend the strength of planets though it was thought over as six fold

strength but it's real relvance in day to day life is not easy to apply and

infer.

>

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> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

>

> Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 9:54 PM

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>  

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> Krishnan_dada,

>

> When I was a tiny tot, the story of Bruce impressed me! He watched an insect

-- a spider -- try 25 times before it managed to climb to where it was planning

to go! I consider myself fortunate because though two of my earlier postings

(much better crafted) were decimated by *LET US BLoME IT ON INTERNET!* -- after

the fifth attempt hopefully this one will pass through the eye of the needle as

the bible assures us!

>

> Dear Krishnan_dada,

>

> Please let us not turn this into CLASSICS vs the RENEGADES! :-)

>

> Whether one loves or hates classics (I happen to be with the majority view on

that matter!) -- but in all honesty and clarity, I must also point out that what

is ASSUMED to be Classics might need some reexamination! And this goes BEYOND a

small factor like Griha-Yuddha that interestingly brought on this 'yuddha' on

;-)

>

> WELL NOT QUITE YUDDHA! We are all decent and docile worldly folks with very

little fire left in our aging bellies (or is it bellys?)! :-)

>

> Like I stated (if I have once, I have a million times even though people may

have tried to twist and hi-jack my statements in a myriad different ways as

recently seen on another forum!) -- I am grateful for what we have received and

more importantly RETAINED!

>

> But CLASSICS to me is PURE as MA! Unwavering! Not changing rules or

appearances! Even for the sake of APPEARANCES! !

>

> How can one be sure which -- of the half a dozen versions available and

admitted to by reputable jyotishis of all kinds of spiritual levels as being a

PROBLEM -- REPRESENT THE ONE AND ONLY CLASSIC -- THE ORIGINAL VERSION THAT

PARASHARA SPAKE!

>

> Common sense must prevail or we all are back to the INFANTILE GAMES that have

been polluting JYOTISH for the last decade or two!

>

> " MY dad is not bigger than yours, because we are brothers! " :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > Probably in this thread it is more of Astronomical importance between two

heavenly bodies,is being reviewed than any specific end result on any individual

chart.

> > CLassical do refer to Graha Yuddha otherwise as Graha Kutami.iam not sure

whther one refers to the other or substitutes to imply same thing..

> > Conjunction of such important of different implications was also termed as

Guru Chandla Yoga.The impct between them due to conjuction depending on the sign

location will habe impact in natal charts as well as for mundane puposes.This

gives rise to a doubt,whether Graha Kutami is the same thing as Graha

Yuddha.Yuddha as v often is it really meanining for geo dynamic forces or or

mutual pull between two or more planets.

> > Ofcourse this made me to cull ot the following to have definete view.These

include;

> > 1.BHPS

> > 2.Brihat Samhita

> > 3.Jataka Parijata

> > 4.sarvarha Chintamani

> > 5.uttara Kalamrita

> > yet I got exhausted only get guided by the collective wisdom.

> > Yuddha between slow moving planets,mainly jupiter and saturn known to be

having heavy bodies size wise have relational strength with reference to sun.

> > As planets nearest to Sun, we understand that their apprent motion

changes.Like Jupiter around 11 deg and saturn 15 deg to sun become

combust.otherwise conjunction can be longitudes wise..between if the palnet

HAVING LESSER lonitudes is said to have strength than the other one.

> > As a planet in transit attaining 30 deg change sign regulalrly.In the

process sun changes sign for every 30 days.

> > Also when a planet longitude goes beyond 20 deg it's strength progressively

decreases and ultmately near to 30 deg it is sayan or Mritha avastha.

> > Like on 26th when sun was around 10 .20 deg saturn was at same longitude

> > Like wise jupiter at same deg as of sun on Nov 10th 2009

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

> >

> > Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:30 AM

> >

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> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> >  

> > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets) come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called

experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in

this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya

Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also

specified in the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that

several  " astrologers� in these forums still base their analysis on

the wrong notion that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though

conjuction could be found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts

as it depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

> >  

> > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart

indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the

starter group of astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they

are able to identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4

blind persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that

elephant is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

> >  

> > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other   factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude,

traits of native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

> >  

> > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner while the

other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate

times and need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa

/ bhukti, the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp

phenomenon and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup

and lead a normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the

strength of lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the

foundation strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation..

> >  

> > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or

from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other

factors. The indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and

need not exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says  " ghatakrith daaso

annnakaro�. The English translation would mean  " one who makes

earthen pots, servant and a cook�. However, these words has much wider

meaning & implications in real situations. In order to understand one will have

to go deep into the language.  " daaso� does not merely imply that

the native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †" dharma

raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies that in the

upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

> servitude †" a daasa (servant)

> > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja †" dharma raja.

And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

> >  

> > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is  

> >  

> > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary preferably written by

M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may

take a few years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes

atleast 5- 10 years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with

astrology.

> >  

> >   

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> >

> > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

> >

> >  

> > Utkal,Lalit

> >

> > well u must go back to classics all over

> >

> > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar

one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the

eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to

be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the

earth and appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry

war etc

> >

> > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely

not the rishies

> >

> > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators

worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> >

> > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it

is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be

classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom

in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u

can call it

> >

> > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of

Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no

area is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall

essence as we know

> > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> >

> > I reqauest members like

> > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> >

> > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

> >

> > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

> >

> > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their

life..

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal.

> > , Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ....>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear kunal ji

> > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

knowledge.

> > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction

like when both grahas are less than

> > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary

war takes place in which the planet

> > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in

which grhas are present and also those

> > > which they signify.

> > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems

like arthritis etc.Â

> > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > Archita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Dear Archita

> > >

> > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way

effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house!

Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > >

> > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the

whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

> > >

> > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > >

> > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > >

> > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > >

> > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal

Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence

of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > >

> > > Your sincerely,

> > > Kunal Nath.

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