conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical 6/1

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Dear RRji,

 

sure this is the best way forward in most cases but to dismiss the concept

itself is something one has to stand up and be counred as it challenges

established concepts

 

and for this some of the so called astrologers have their own forum and simply

buldoze the views of others, the recent case of Swami Vivekakanda being Marara,

or Dhanur Lagna, is best reduced to one half presented case study by some one

who doubted it in the past his line alonewas taken that too the withthe doubt in

it and most astrologers like raman ji, others have used Dhanr the time is same

too but this controversial person chooses makara instead.

 

and with any amount of material simply pushd it so case was closed on its own,

not by merit at least.

 

in this case classics do refer to graha yudha and Kranti has a role in it,

kranti also has a role in ayurdaya also.

 

 

..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Wed, January 6, 2010 4:42:58 PM

Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

 

 

Dear All,

 

Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of discussion,

in general. This is for your kind consideration and certainly not a demand that

I wish to place on any persona, beginner or Pro, who each may have very busy

schedules and/or different levels of interest etc.

 

Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting the

didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position made if

examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or griha yuddha or

astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point of discussion or

dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner and will keep coming

back and each time with more emotion and less clarity -- if all one does is make

stronger and stronger statements without illustrating with examples, and not

sketchily but in a detailed manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time

and interest and may or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The

other option is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like

PVR Narasimha Rao does.

 

Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a rocking chair

which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

 

Respectfully submitted,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji & others,

> Â

> There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5 planets)Â

come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called experienced

astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in this forum

sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya Yudha. This

is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also specified in

the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that several

“astrologers� in these forums still base their analysis on the

wrong notion that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though

conjuction could be found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts

as it depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

> Â

> There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart

indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the

starter group of astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they

are able to identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4

blind persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that

elephant is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

> Â

> A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other   factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude,

traits of native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

> Â

> Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner while the

other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate

times and need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa

/ bhukti, the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp

phenomenon and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup

and lead a normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the

strength of lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the

foundation strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation.

> Â

> The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or

from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other

factors. The indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and

need not exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso

annnakaro�. The English translation would mean “one who makes

earthen pots, servant and a cook�. However, these words has much wider

meaning & implications in real situations. In order to understand one will have

to go deep into the language. “daaso� does not merely imply that

the native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †" dharma

raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies that in the

upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

servitude †" a daasa (servant)

> of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja †" dharma raja.

And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

> Â

> So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> Â

> So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary preferably written by

M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may

take a few years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes

atleast 5- 10 years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with

astrology.

> Â

> Â Â

> Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

>

> Â

> Utkal,Lalit

>

> well u must go back to classics all over

>

> the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar

one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the

eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to

be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the

earth and appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry

war etc

>

> we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely not

the rishies

>

> pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators

worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

>

> and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it

is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be

classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom

in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u

can call it

>

> all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of

Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no

area is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall

essence as we know

> this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

>

> I reqauest members like

> RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

>

> best wishes

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

>

> Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

>

> pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

>

> Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

>

> I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their life.

>

> Regards,

> Utkal.

> , Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear kunal ji

> > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my knowledge.

> > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction

like when both grahas are less than

> > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary war

takes place in which the planet

> > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in which

grhas are present and also those

> > which they signify.

> > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems like

arthritis etc.Â

> > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > thing automatically occurs.

> > YOURS SINCERELY

> > Archita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> >

> > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Archita

> >

> > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way effect

10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house! Another

person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> >

> > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the whole

horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

> >

> > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> >

> > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> >

> > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> >

> > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal

Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence

of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> >

> > Your sincerely,

> > Kunal Nath.

> >

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