conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical 6/1

January 6, 2010

General Question to All:

Is " everything " given in *classics* (including the more recent writings such as

Phal deepika, UKalamrita etc also) found to work perfectly, and flawlessly --

just as stated/recorded?

If that were the case, there would be no discussion or room for doubt!

Then why do jyotishis keep discussing? Each of us has to silently and honestly

ask ourselves the question and to convince ourselves that our position is

correct.

There is no point in discussing this on public forum, because astrology does not

have black and white rules and there is sufficient overlap and confounding to

make it possible for different jyotishis to utilize different ayanamshas,

different approaches and still arrive at reasonably comparable conclusions. This

has been done on many fora and on Compuserve, we once ran a test using jyotish,

western astrology and a couple other modalities of divination and all of them

came to be correct to the tune of about 75-80%. I have also seen on fora (before

internet turned into a museum) different jyotishis using different approaches

and arrive at the same conclusion.

This cannot take place now because there is excessive mistrust between jyotishis

and in some cases competition and yes some degree of jealousy too. There is also

a certain degree of showmanship and politics between different factions and what

not. As long as this continues, jyotish cannot be discussed in an open and

healthy manner.

You all may disagree with me, but that is your prerogative!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> sure this is the best way forward in most cases but to dismiss the concept

itself is something one has to stand up and be counred as it challenges

established concepts

>

> and for this some of the so called astrologers have their own forum and simply

buldoze the views of others, the recent case of Swami Vivekakanda being Marara,

or Dhanur Lagna, is best reduced to one half presented case study by some one

who doubted it in the past his line alonewas taken that too the withthe doubt in

it and most astrologers like raman ji, others have used Dhanr the time is same

too but this controversial person chooses makara instead.

>

> and with any amount of material simply pushd it so case was closed on its own,

not by merit at least.

>

> in this case classics do refer to graha yudha and Kranti has a role in it,

kranti also has a role in ayurdaya also.

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Wed, January 6, 2010 4:42:58 PM

> Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is classical

7/1

>

> Dear All,

>

> Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of discussion,

in general. This is for your kind consideration and certainly not a demand that

I wish to place on any persona, beginner or Pro, who each may have very busy

schedules and/or different levels of interest etc.

>

> Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting the

didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position made if

examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or griha yuddha or

astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point of discussion or

dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner and will keep coming

back and each time with more emotion and less clarity -- if all one does is make

stronger and stronger statements without illustrating with examples, and not

sketchily but in a detailed manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time

and interest and may or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The

other option is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like

PVR Narasimha Rao does.

>

> Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a rocking

chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

>

> Respectfully submitted,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > Ã‚

> > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5 planets)Ã‚

come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so called experienced

astrologers make such statements. This subject has been dealt in this forum

sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not participate in Griya Yudha. This

is because they are the King & Queen of the zodiac. This is also specified in

the classics. In spite of clarifying many times, I find that several

Ã¢â‚¬Å " astrologersÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ in these forums still base their analysis on the

wrong notion that all planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though

conjuction could be found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts

as it depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

other.

> > Ã‚

> > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a chart

indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent in the

starter group of astrology. And off course considering the effects, even if they

are able to identify them specifically, from a few charts is like the story of 4

blind persons touching the various organs of an elephant and declaring that

elephant is huge pillar etc (the one who touched its leg).

> > Ã‚

> > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora, lagna &

scores of other Ã‚ Ã‚ factors work in unison to form the nature, attitude,

traits of native. At the same time some of these natures gets triggered only at

appropriate time / period determined by yet another set of conditions namely

transits & dasa periods.

> > Ã‚

> > Hence, The effect of griha yudha Ã¢â‚¬ " one planet is the winner while the

other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at those appropriate

times and need not be through out the life of the native. Even in their own dasa

/ bhukti, the said effects need not become prominent as this effect is a temp

phenomenon and as the planet has a natural course, the native may also recoup

and lead a normal life after a temp setback. However, this depends on the

strength of lagna, it lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the

foundation strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation.

> > Ã‚

> > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the rasi or

from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from several other

factors. The indications provided in the classics are only a quick reference and

need not exist completely in any individual. They have deep meaning as well.

Unfortunately, English language lacks the capability to justify the vastness of

Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha Mihira says Ã¢â‚¬Å " ghatakrith daaso

annnakaroÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. The English translation would mean Ã¢â‚¬Å " one who makes

earthen pots, servant and a cookÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. However, these words has much wider

meaning & implications in real situations. In order to understand one will have

to go deep into the language. Ã¢â‚¬Å " daasoÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ does not merely imply that

the native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma

raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies that in the

upasana, the native will accept a attitude of

> servitude Ã¢â‚¬ " a daasa (servant)

> > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and pure white

inside Ã¢â‚¬ " right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang. The capability to

distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called yamaraja Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma raja.

And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is

supported in navamsa, dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could

very be dharmic nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not

translate into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them,

it could also take a different shape.

> > Ã‚

> > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Ã‚

> > Ã‚

> > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of original

Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit Ã¢â‚¬ " English dictionary preferably written by

M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It is not an easy task and may

take a few years. It is not out of foolishness that traditionally it takes

atleast 5- 10 years to learn, use & become capable of advising others with

astrology.

> > Ã‚

> > Ã‚ Ã‚

> > Ã‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

> >

> > Ã‚

> > Utkal,Lalit

> >

> > well u must go back to classics all over

> >

> > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a similar

one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due to the

eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system they appear to

be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is longer to see from the

earth and appears stationary / retrograde / direct /close in conjuction-planetry

war etc

> >

> > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and surely

not the rishies

> >

> > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers, comentrators

worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> >

> > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons, wisdom? it

is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and can't be

classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can discuss such wisdom

in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling or pysche readings whatever u

can call it

> >

> > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted principles of

Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great land can be shared no

area is absolute it is having multile views but still not from from overall

essence as we know

> > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> >

> > I reqauest members like

> > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu ji,

mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their views on the

same

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> >

> > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> >

> > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish, it was an

initial effort done towards understanding impact of conjunction of multiple

planets.

> >

> > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas, sat can

never be jup or vice versa.

> >

> > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of their life.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Utkal.

> > , Karan Kumari <architakhera@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear kunal ji

> > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

knowledge.

> > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual conjunction

like when both grahas are less than

> > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than planetary

war takes place in which the planet

> > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house in

which grhas are present and also those

> > > which they signify.

> > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint problems

like arthritisÃƒâ€š etc.Ãƒâ€š

> > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only if they

demand so many things from lord

> > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord then saturn

becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > Archita

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > Dear Archita

> > >

> > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a way

effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th house!

Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > >

> > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint the

whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the " tedency to

philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy or not, will depend

upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or

other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make your personality enigmatic and

very powerful, otherwise, it will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows

all, and tries to portray the same image...This yoga effects person's

self-perception a lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others

to see him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense

of righteousness!

> > >

> > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone, produce a

philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > >

> > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > >

> > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate once a

lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings sudden change in

life either for good, or bad, altering the course of life! In nature, this yoga

may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc. Now in case of people with Brahma

Yoga, this event(relation of natal & gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular

intervals, so it can be easily said that their life is far from a smooth ride!

Whether it propells forward or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > >

> > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his Gopal

Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality, the essence

of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > >

> > > Your sincerely,

> > > Kunal Nath.

> > >

January 6, 2010

Dear Sir,

//This has been done on many fora and on Compuserve, we once ran a test

using jyotish, western astrology and a couple other modalities of

divination and all of them came to be correct to the tune of about

75-80%. I have also seen on fora (before internet turned into a museum)

different jyotishis using different approaches and arrive at the same

conclusion.//

I don't disagree with your statement at all !!

My very first intro to Astrology was through western sun sign, and right

about that time I had a Western Astrological reading done, although

quite generic and vague, but overall still accurate.. One reason could

have been because my western " sun sign " is the same as my eastern " moon

sign " and western joytish give more emphasis on sun signs ..The two

luminaries are obviously very much interlinked in our lives in so many

ways..Interestingly enough when I had my eastern joytish/vedic reading

a year later almost all planets changed houses & rashi signs and the

reading was still 70% accurate..But I never understood how they could be

both accurate..

Lilly

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> General Question to All:

>

> Is " everything " given in *classics* (including the more recent

writings such as Phal deepika, UKalamrita etc also) found to work

perfectly, and flawlessly -- just as stated/recorded?

>

> If that were the case, there would be no discussion or room for doubt!

>

> Then why do jyotishis keep discussing? Each of us has to silently and

honestly ask ourselves the question and to convince ourselves that our

position is correct.

>

> There is no point in discussing this on public forum, because

astrology does not have black and white rules and there is sufficient

overlap and confounding to make it possible for different jyotishis to

utilize different ayanamshas, different approaches and still arrive at

reasonably comparable conclusions. This has been done on many fora and

on Compuserve, we once ran a test using jyotish, western astrology and a

couple other modalities of divination and all of them came to be correct

to the tune of about 75-80%. I have also seen on fora (before internet

turned into a museum) different jyotishis using different approaches and

arrive at the same conclusion.

>

> This cannot take place now because there is excessive mistrust between

jyotishis and in some cases competition and yes some degree of jealousy

too. There is also a certain degree of showmanship and politics between

different factions and what not. As long as this continues, jyotish

cannot be discussed in an open and healthy manner.

>

> You all may disagree with me, but that is your prerogative!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear RRji,

> >

> > sure this is the best way forward in most cases but to dismiss the

concept itself is something one has to stand up and be counred as it

challenges established concepts

> >

> > and for this some of the so called astrologers have their own forum

and simply buldoze the views of others, the recent case of Swami

Vivekakanda being Marara, or Dhanur Lagna, is best reduced to one half

presented case study by some one who doubted it in the past his line

alonewas taken that too the withthe doubt in it and most astrologers

like raman ji, others have used Dhanr the time is same too but this

controversial person chooses makara instead.

> >

> > and with any amount of material simply pushd it so case was closed

on its own, not by merit at least.

> >

> > in this case classics do refer to graha yudha and Kranti has a role

in it, kranti also has a role in ayurdaya also.

> >

> > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> >

/database?method=reportRow\

s & tbl=6

> >

> > ________________________________

> > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> >

> > Wed, January 6, 2010 4:42:58 PM

> > Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

classical 7/1

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

interest etc.

> >

> > Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

Narasimha Rao does.

> >

> > Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

> >

> > Respectfully submitted,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > > Ã‚

> > > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

planets)Ã‚ come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the

so called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

clarifying many times, I find that several

Ã¢â‚¬Å " astrologersÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ in these forums still base their

analysis on the wrong notion that all planets participate in griha

yudha. Further, though conjuction could be found in many charts, Griha

Yudha is seen in very few charts as it depends on speed of planet and

hence the time it takes to cross each other.

> > > Ã‚

> > > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

who touched its leg).

> > > Ã‚

> > > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga,

Kalahora, lagna & scores of other Ã‚ Ã‚ factors work in unison

to form the nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of

these natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period

determined by yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa

periods.

> > > Ã‚

> > > Hence, The effect of griha yudha Ã¢â‚¬ " one planet is the

winner while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only

at those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

those planets are effective in any situation.

> > > Ã‚

> > > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

Mihira says Ã¢â‚¬Å " ghatakrith daaso annnakaroÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. The

English translation would mean Ã¢â‚¬Å " one who makes earthen pots,

servant and a cookÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. However, these words has much wider

meaning & implications in real situations. In order to understand one

will have to go deep into the language. Ã¢â‚¬Å " daasoÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

does not merely imply that the native would be servant. One has to

understand that Saturn Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma raja is with Jupiter

sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies that in the upasana, the

native will accept a attitude of

> > servitude Ã¢â‚¬ " a daasa (servant)

> > > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

pure white inside Ã¢â‚¬ " right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin &

yang. The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is

called yamaraja Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with

it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

could also take a different shape.

> > > Ã‚

> > > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation

& combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy

of original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit Ã¢â‚¬ " English dictionary

preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > > Ã‚

> > > Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > >

> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

Yuddha is classical 7/1

> > >

> > > Ã‚

> > > Utkal,Lalit

> > >

> > > well u must go back to classics all over

> > >

> > > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is

a similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place

due to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar

system they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that

is longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> > >

> > > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least

and surely not the rishies

> > >

> > > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> > >

> > > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> > >

> > > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

still not from from overall essence as we know

> > > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> > >

> > > I reqauest members like

> > > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

views on the same

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> > >

> > > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

conjunction of multiple planets.

> > >

> > > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different

karakatwas, sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> > >

> > > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

their life.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > > , Karan Kumari

<architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear kunal ji

> > > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

knowledge.

> > > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of

house in which grhas are present and also those

> > > > which they signify.

> > > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

problems like arthritisÃƒâ€š etc.Ãƒâ€š

> > > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result

only if they demand so many things from lord

> > > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > > Archita

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > >

> > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > Dear Archita

> > > >

> > > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to

paint the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives

you the " tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real

philosophy or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if

you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga "

will make your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it

will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to

portray the same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a

lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see

him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to

make sense of righteousness!

> > > >

> > > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > > >

> > > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th

house.

> > > >

> > > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > > >

> > > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > > >

> > > > Your sincerely,

> > > > Kunal Nath.

> > > >

January 7, 2010

Dear Tigress,

The keyword lies in the definition of " accurate " !

How can a reading be " generic " and 'vague' and yet accurate?

Now, before you get all angry at me, have you read Astrology Science or

Superstition by Eysenck and Nias?

Particularly the 'Barnum' Effect, I believe it is called as described in that

" gem " of a book that all astrologers and astro-counsellors should read! I think

I have written about that in my first primer or one of the articles etc.

Santhosh ji is right! You should seriously consider composing poetry. I say that

with all sincerity and I hope you do not take it otherwise.

Rohiniranjan

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> //This has been done on many fora and on Compuserve, we once ran a test

> using jyotish, western astrology and a couple other modalities of

> divination and all of them came to be correct to the tune of about

> 75-80%. I have also seen on fora (before internet turned into a museum)

> different jyotishis using different approaches and arrive at the same

> conclusion.//

>

> I don't disagree with your statement at all !!

> My very first intro to Astrology was through western sun sign, and right

> about that time I had a Western Astrological reading done, although

> quite generic and vague, but overall still accurate.. One reason could

> have been because my western " sun sign " is the same as my eastern " moon

> sign " and western joytish give more emphasis on sun signs ..The two

> luminaries are obviously very much interlinked in our lives in so many

> ways..Interestingly enough when I had my eastern joytish/vedic reading

> a year later almost all planets changed houses & rashi signs and the

> reading was still 70% accurate..But I never understood how they could be

> both accurate..

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > General Question to All:

> >

> > Is " everything " given in *classics* (including the more recent

> writings such as Phal deepika, UKalamrita etc also) found to work

> perfectly, and flawlessly -- just as stated/recorded?

> >

> > If that were the case, there would be no discussion or room for doubt!

> >

> > Then why do jyotishis keep discussing? Each of us has to silently and

> honestly ask ourselves the question and to convince ourselves that our

> position is correct.

> >

> > There is no point in discussing this on public forum, because

> astrology does not have black and white rules and there is sufficient

> overlap and confounding to make it possible for different jyotishis to

> utilize different ayanamshas, different approaches and still arrive at

> reasonably comparable conclusions. This has been done on many fora and

> on Compuserve, we once ran a test using jyotish, western astrology and a

> couple other modalities of divination and all of them came to be correct

> to the tune of about 75-80%. I have also seen on fora (before internet

> turned into a museum) different jyotishis using different approaches and

> arrive at the same conclusion.

> >

> > This cannot take place now because there is excessive mistrust between

> jyotishis and in some cases competition and yes some degree of jealousy

> too. There is also a certain degree of showmanship and politics between

> different factions and what not. As long as this continues, jyotish

> cannot be discussed in an open and healthy manner.

> >

> > You all may disagree with me, but that is your prerogative!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji,

> > >

> > > sure this is the best way forward in most cases but to dismiss the

> concept itself is something one has to stand up and be counred as it

> challenges established concepts

> > >

> > > and for this some of the so called astrologers have their own forum

> and simply buldoze the views of others, the recent case of Swami

> Vivekakanda being Marara, or Dhanur Lagna, is best reduced to one half

> presented case study by some one who doubted it in the past his line

> alonewas taken that too the withthe doubt in it and most astrologers

> like raman ji, others have used Dhanr the time is same too but this

> controversial person chooses makara instead.

> > >

> > > and with any amount of material simply pushd it so case was closed

> on its own, not by merit at least.

> > >

> > > in this case classics do refer to graha yudha and Kranti has a role

> in it, kranti also has a role in ayurdaya also.

> > >

> > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > >

> /database?method=reportRow\

> s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> > >

> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 4:42:58 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

> classical 7/1

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

> discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

> certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

> Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

> interest etc.

> > >

> > > Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

> the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

> made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

> griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

> of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

> and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

> clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

> without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

> manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

> or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

> is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

> Narasimha Rao does.

> > >

> > > Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

> rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

> > >

> > > Respectfully submitted,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

> planets)Ã‚ come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the

> so called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

> been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

> participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

> the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

> clarifying many times, I find that several

> Ã¢â‚¬Å " astrologersÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ in these forums still base their

> analysis on the wrong notion that all planets participate in griha

> yudha. Further, though conjuction could be found in many charts, Griha

> Yudha is seen in very few charts as it depends on speed of planet and

> hence the time it takes to cross each other.

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

> chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

> in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

> effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

> charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

> of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

> who touched its leg).

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga,

> Kalahora, lagna & scores of other Ã‚ Ã‚ factors work in unison

> to form the nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of

> these natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period

> determined by yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa

> periods.

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > Hence, The effect of griha yudha Ã¢â‚¬ " one planet is the

> winner while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only

> at those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

> native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

> become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

> has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

> after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

> lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

> strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

> those planets are effective in any situation.

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

> rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

> several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

> a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

> have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

> capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

> Mihira says Ã¢â‚¬Å " ghatakrith daaso annnakaroÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. The

> English translation would mean Ã¢â‚¬Å " one who makes earthen pots,

> servant and a cookÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. However, these words has much wider

> meaning & implications in real situations. In order to understand one

> will have to go deep into the language. Ã¢â‚¬Å " daasoÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

> does not merely imply that the native would be servant. One has to

> understand that Saturn Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma raja is with Jupiter

> sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies that in the upasana, the

> native will accept a attitude of

> > > servitude Ã¢â‚¬ " a daasa (servant)

> > > > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

> pure white inside Ã¢â‚¬ " right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin &

> yang. The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is

> called yamaraja Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with

> it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

> dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

> nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

> into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

> could also take a different shape.

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation

> & combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy

> of original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit Ã¢â‚¬ " English dictionary

> preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

> is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

> foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

> use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > >

> > > > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > > > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

> Yuddha is classical 7/1

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚

> > > > Utkal,Lalit

> > > >

> > > > well u must go back to classics all over

> > > >

> > > > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is

> a similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place

> due to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar

> system they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that

> is longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

> direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> > > >

> > > > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least

> and surely not the rishies

> > > >

> > > > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

> comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> > > >

> > > > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

> wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

> can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

> discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

> or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> > > >

> > > > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

> principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

> land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

> still not from from overall essence as we know

> > > > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> > > >

> > > > I reqauest members like

> > > > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

> ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

> views on the same

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> > > >

> > > > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > >

> > > > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

> it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

> conjunction of multiple planets.

> > > >

> > > > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different

> karakatwas, sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> > > >

> > > > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

> their life.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > > , Karan Kumari

> <architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear kunal ji

> > > > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

> knowledge.

> > > > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

> conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

> planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of

> house in which grhas are present and also those

> > > > > which they signify.

> > > > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

> problems like arthritisÃƒâ€š etc.Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result

> only if they demand so many things from lord

> > > > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

> then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > > > Archita

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > Dear Archita

> > > > >

> > > > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

> way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

> house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to

> paint the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives

> you the " tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real

> philosophy or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if

> you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga "

> will make your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it

> will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to

> portray the same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a

> lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see

> him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

> traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to

> make sense of righteousness!

> > > > >

> > > > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

> produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > > > >

> > > > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th

> house.

> > > > >

> > > > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

> once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

> sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

> life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

> Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

> gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

> that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

> or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

> Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

> the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > > > >

> > > > > Your sincerely,

> > > > > Kunal Nath.

> > > > >

January 7, 2010

How could I have missed pointing this out which I now amend!

Dear Tigress,

There are two myths that prevail in our astro-world (written about it years ago,

blah blah blah...)

The western myth is that Jyotish is fatalistic and 'doom and gloom' and the same

was directed by the neo-astrologists modern (Jungian, Post Jungian, humanistic

schools etc) at traditional (Ptolemy all the way down to Alan Leo or so) western

astrology.

WRONG: Why would fatalistic thinking entertain such a plethora of remedies that

insist that Karma and Destiny are important but not incontrovertible!

The eastern myth is: All that western astrology is is about SUN-SIGNS! It is an

extremely biased and UNINFORMED opinion! I had occasion to interact with truly

marvelous western astrologers and I was and continue to remain impressed by

their depth of perception, sincerity and though our letters get delivered to

different zodiacal addresses -- it was eye-opening to see how little sun-signs

play a part in their total analysis!

Of course, if all we think of Western astrology as that promulgated prolifically

by Linda Goodman and Sydney Omarr or the newspaper columns or eastern astrology

as what we watch on the TV or such places, then we can't be blamed for

harbouring the two myths! BUT that only makes us innocent but still mistaken!

Rohiniranjan

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Tigress,

>

> The keyword lies in the definition of " accurate " !

> How can a reading be " generic " and 'vague' and yet accurate?

>

> Now, before you get all angry at me, have you read Astrology Science or

Superstition by Eysenck and Nias?

> Particularly the 'Barnum' Effect, I believe it is called as described in that

" gem " of a book that all astrologers and astro-counsellors should read! I think

I have written about that in my first primer or one of the articles etc.

>

> Santhosh ji is right! You should seriously consider composing poetry. I say

that with all sincerity and I hope you do not take it otherwise.

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > //This has been done on many fora and on Compuserve, we once ran a test

> > using jyotish, western astrology and a couple other modalities of

> > divination and all of them came to be correct to the tune of about

> > 75-80%. I have also seen on fora (before internet turned into a museum)

> > different jyotishis using different approaches and arrive at the same

> > conclusion.//

> >

> > I don't disagree with your statement at all !!

> > My very first intro to Astrology was through western sun sign, and right

> > about that time I had a Western Astrological reading done, although

> > quite generic and vague, but overall still accurate.. One reason could

> > have been because my western " sun sign " is the same as my eastern " moon

> > sign " and western joytish give more emphasis on sun signs ..The two

> > luminaries are obviously very much interlinked in our lives in so many

> > ways..Interestingly enough when I had my eastern joytish/vedic reading

> > a year later almost all planets changed houses & rashi signs and the

> > reading was still 70% accurate..But I never understood how they could be

> > both accurate..

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > General Question to All:

> > >

> > > Is " everything " given in *classics* (including the more recent

> > writings such as Phal deepika, UKalamrita etc also) found to work

> > perfectly, and flawlessly -- just as stated/recorded?

> > >

> > > If that were the case, there would be no discussion or room for doubt!

> > >

> > > Then why do jyotishis keep discussing? Each of us has to silently and

> > honestly ask ourselves the question and to convince ourselves that our

> > position is correct.

> > >

> > > There is no point in discussing this on public forum, because

> > astrology does not have black and white rules and there is sufficient

> > overlap and confounding to make it possible for different jyotishis to

> > utilize different ayanamshas, different approaches and still arrive at

> > reasonably comparable conclusions. This has been done on many fora and

> > on Compuserve, we once ran a test using jyotish, western astrology and a

> > couple other modalities of divination and all of them came to be correct

> > to the tune of about 75-80%. I have also seen on fora (before internet

> > turned into a museum) different jyotishis using different approaches and

> > arrive at the same conclusion.

> > >

> > > This cannot take place now because there is excessive mistrust between

> > jyotishis and in some cases competition and yes some degree of jealousy

> > too. There is also a certain degree of showmanship and politics between

> > different factions and what not. As long as this continues, jyotish

> > cannot be discussed in an open and healthy manner.

> > >

> > > You all may disagree with me, but that is your prerogative!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear RRji,

> > > >

> > > > sure this is the best way forward in most cases but to dismiss the

> > concept itself is something one has to stand up and be counred as it

> > challenges established concepts

> > > >

> > > > and for this some of the so called astrologers have their own forum

> > and simply buldoze the views of others, the recent case of Swami

> > Vivekakanda being Marara, or Dhanur Lagna, is best reduced to one half

> > presented case study by some one who doubted it in the past his line

> > alonewas taken that too the withthe doubt in it and most astrologers

> > like raman ji, others have used Dhanr the time is same too but this

> > controversial person chooses makara instead.

> > > >

> > > > and with any amount of material simply pushd it so case was closed

> > on its own, not by merit at least.

> > > >

> > > > in this case classics do refer to graha yudha and Kranti has a role

> > in it, kranti also has a role in ayurdaya also.

> > > >

> > > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > >

> > /database?method=reportRow\

> > s & tbl=6

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> > > >

> > > > Wed, January 6, 2010 4:42:58 PM

> > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha Yuddha is

> > classical 7/1

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

> > discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

> > certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

> > Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

> > interest etc.

> > > >

> > > > Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

> > the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

> > made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

> > griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

> > of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

> > and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

> > clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

> > without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

> > manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

> > or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

> > is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

> > Narasimha Rao does.

> > > >

> > > > Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

> > rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully submitted,

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

> > planets)Ã‚ come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the

> > so called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

> > been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

> > participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

> > the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

> > clarifying many times, I find that several

> > Ã¢â‚¬Å " astrologersÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½ in these forums still base their

> > analysis on the wrong notion that all planets participate in griha

> > yudha. Further, though conjuction could be found in many charts, Griha

> > Yudha is seen in very few charts as it depends on speed of planet and

> > hence the time it takes to cross each other.

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

> > chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

> > in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

> > effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

> > charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

> > of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

> > who touched its leg).

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga,

> > Kalahora, lagna & scores of other Ã‚ Ã‚ factors work in unison

> > to form the nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of

> > these natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period

> > determined by yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa

> > periods.

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > Hence, The effect of griha yudha Ã¢â‚¬ " one planet is the

> > winner while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only

> > at those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

> > native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

> > become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

> > has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

> > after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

> > lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

> > strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

> > those planets are effective in any situation.

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

> > rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

> > several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

> > a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

> > have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

> > capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

> > Mihira says Ã¢â‚¬Å " ghatakrith daaso annnakaroÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. The

> > English translation would mean Ã¢â‚¬Å " one who makes earthen pots,

> > servant and a cookÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½. However, these words has much wider

> > meaning & implications in real situations. In order to understand one

> > will have to go deep into the language. Ã¢â‚¬Å " daasoÃ¢â‚¬ï¿½

> > does not merely imply that the native would be servant. One has to

> > understand that Saturn Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma raja is with Jupiter

> > sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies that in the upasana, the

> > native will accept a attitude of

> > > > servitude Ã¢â‚¬ " a daasa (servant)

> > > > > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

> > pure white inside Ã¢â‚¬ " right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin &

> > yang. The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is

> > called yamaraja Ã¢â‚¬ " dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with

> > it, the dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

> > dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

> > nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

> > into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

> > could also take a different shape.

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation

> > & combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Ã‚

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy

> > of original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit Ã¢â‚¬ " English dictionary

> > preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

> > is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

> > foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

> > use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > > Ã‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > > >

> > > > > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

> > Yuddha is classical 7/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > Utkal,Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > well u must go back to classics all over

> > > > >

> > > > > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is

> > a similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place

> > due to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar

> > system they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that

> > is longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

> > direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> > > > >

> > > > > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least

> > and surely not the rishies

> > > > >

> > > > > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

> > comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> > > > >

> > > > > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

> > wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

> > can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

> > discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

> > or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> > > > >

> > > > > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

> > principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

> > land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

> > still not from from overall essence as we know

> > > > > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> > > > >

> > > > > I reqauest members like

> > > > > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

> > ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

> > views on the same

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > >

> > > > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> > method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > > >

> > > > > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

> > it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

> > conjunction of multiple planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different

> > karakatwas, sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

> > their life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > , Karan Kumari

> > <architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear kunal ji

> > > > > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

> > knowledge.

> > > > > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

> > conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > > > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

> > planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > > > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of

> > house in which grhas are present and also those

> > > > > > which they signify.

> > > > > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

> > problems like arthritisÃƒâ€š etc.Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result

> > only if they demand so many things from lord

> > > > > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

> > then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > > > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > > > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > > > > Archita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > Dear Archita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

> > way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

> > house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to

> > paint the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives

> > you the " tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real

> > philosophy or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if

> > you have a strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga "

> > will make your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it

> > will only produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to

> > portray the same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a

> > lot, he likes to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see

> > him like that! And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as

> > traditional or religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to

> > make sense of righteousness!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

> > produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th

> > house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

> > once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

> > sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

> > life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

> > Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

> > gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

> > that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

> > or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

> > Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

> > the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your sincerely,

> > > > > > Kunal Nath.

> > > > > >

January 7, 2010

Dear Sir,

Firstly, thanks for your kind words about writing poetry..Poetry, short stories,

and anything in the art side has been my passion and I sincerely believe I need

to work on refining my skills( one of my new years resolution!)..I believe

expressing ourselves through art, music, poetry is a great way to connect with

" people " as well as the " divine " , and bring out our latent hidden creative side

to the surface.

By the way I had termed my reading as " generic " and " accurate " at the same time

simply because it could have applied to many people, yet several of the details

shared pertained directly to the multi-faceted " me " . I guess that's the beauty

of astrology. Just think with a world population of roughly 6.5 billion there's

got to be so many twin clones(sharing duplicate birth charts) of us out there in

this world!!