Jyotish Redux -- conjunction of jupiter and saturn- Graha Yuddh...

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Let someone misunderstand me, my intention was not to demand that folks turn

Jyotish Forums into Research Libraries, but simply that when we do want to make

a strong statement or a definitive one, we must be prepared to back it up with

data and not simply statements like, " It is so just because ... "

 

Jyotish discussion fora should be for a variety of themes including technical

postings/threads, applied jyotish (readings) and discussion about how Jyotish

assumes a role and part in one's life and observation (including historical or

other experiential anecdotes). We have people from different walks of life with

a whole spectrum of personalities, ages, experiences, abilities to express and

communicate, and other nuances -- that make up our collective reality known as

" Human Experience " -- all of which astrology touches and some maintain -- even

contains within its framework!. Each of these, even if considered unnecessary by

someone else due to personal preferences/biases/scotomata/other factors, are

ESSENTIAL in forming a forum community, like this one! I have seen communities

with more limited and specific agenda which just do not seem to thrive due to a

variety of reasons.

 

There is room for everybody of course, but one must be sure of what brings them

here, and if they are getting it most of the times. Not everyday is going to be

a day of ideal or perfect harvest! It behooves us all to develop a bit more

flexibility and more reasonable expectations and to be able to enjoy and even

marvel at what another human being brings. Jealousy, overreaction,

oversensitivity, showmanship, " My dad is stronger than your dad! " kind of

childishness must first be defeated before learning can begin.

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To All,

>

> Rohini Ji is right : well researched and illustrated articles are

> needed, instead of general statements.

>

> -VJ

> =============== =====

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Since Prashant ji requested, here are my two cents on this kind of

> discussion, in general. This is for your kind consideration and

> certainly not a demand that I wish to place on any persona, beginner or

> Pro, who each may have very busy schedules and/or different levels of

> interest etc.

> >

> > Instead of describing or redescribing and essentially re-presenting

> the didactic, perhaps such discussions can be resolved and a position

> made if examples from real life can be used. Whether it be retrograde or

> griha yuddha or astangata dosh or whatever else that has become a point

> of discussion or dissension, can never be settled in a convincing manner

> and will keep coming back and each time with more emotion and less

> clarity -- if all one does is make stronger and stronger statements

> without illustrating with examples, and not sketchily but in a detailed

> manner. It takes a lot of committment, energy, time and interest and may

> or may not be available at a given time, then so be it. The other option

> is to write detailed articles and quote them or share those, like PVR

> Narasimha Rao does.

> >

> > Until such can be made to happen, we are swinging frantically in a

> rocking chair which is swinging a lot but not taking us anywhere...!

> >

> > Respectfully submitted,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> sureshbabuag@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji & others,

> > > Â

> > > There is no doubt that Griha Yudha happens when two tara grihas(5

> planets)Â come in close conjunction and it is surprising that the so

> called experienced astrologers make such statements. This subject has

> been dealt in this forum sometime back. Luminaries (Sun & Moon) do not

> participate in Griya Yudha. This is because they are the King & Queen of

> the zodiac. This is also specified in the classics. In spite of

> clarifying many times, I find that several “astrologersâ€

> in these forums still base their analysis on the wrong notion that all

> planets participate in griha yudha. Further, though conjuction could be

> found in many charts, Griha Yudha is seen in very few charts as it

> depends on speed of planet and hence the time it takes to cross each

> other.

> > > Â

> > > There is also a wrong notion that whatever planetary position a

> chart indicates relates 100% to the native alone. This is more prevalent

> in the starter group of astrology. And off course considering the

> effects, even if they are able to identify them specifically, from a few

> charts is like the story of 4 blind persons touching the various organs

> of an elephant and declaring that elephant is huge pillar etc (the one

> who touched its leg).

> > > Â

> > > A chart as a whole, nakshtra, tithy, karana, nithya yoga, Kalahora,

> lagna & scores of other   factors work in unison to form the

> nature, attitude, traits of native. At the same time some of these

> natures gets triggered only at appropriate time / period determined by

> yet another set of conditions namely transits & dasa periods.

> > > Â

> > > Hence, The effect of griha yudha †" one planet is the winner

> while the other is a looser; their effects becomes prevalent only at

> those appropriate times and need not be through out the life of the

> native. Even in their own dasa / bhukti, the said effects need not

> become prominent as this effect is a temp phenomenon and as the planet

> has a natural course, the native may also recoup and lead a normal life

> after a temp setback. However, this depends on the strength of lagna, it

> lord, sun, moon, and other factors that determine the foundation

> strength of the chart. It is only important when factors relating to

> those planets are effective in any situation.

> > > Â

> > > The effects of planets & their combinations, whether direct in the

> rasi or from Kendra trikonas depends on their gunas also part from

> several other factors. The indications provided in the classics are only

> a quick reference and need not exist completely in any individual. They

> have deep meaning as well. Unfortunately, English language lacks the

> capability to justify the vastness of Sanskrit language. For ex: Varaha

> Mihira says “ghatakrith daaso annnakaroâ€. The English

> translation would mean “one who makes earthen pots, servant and a

> cookâ€. However, these words has much wider meaning & implications

> in real situations. In order to understand one will have to go deep into

> the language. “daaso†does not merely imply that the

> native would be servant. One has to understand that Saturn †"

> dharma raja is with Jupiter sarveshwara karaka. The combination implies

> that in the upasana, the native will accept a attitude of servitude

> †" a daasa (servant)

> > > of the deity. Saturn is a planet which is pitch back outside and

> pure white inside †" right & wrong, dharma & adharma, yin & yang.

> The capability to distinguish between them. That is Saturn is called

> yamaraja †" dharma raja. And when Jupiter conjoins with it, the

> dharmic traits increases provided it is supported in navamsa,

> dwadasamsa, trimsamsa & drekana as well. A person could very be dharmic

> nature but also could use it in wrong way and yet it need not translate

> into fame etc. If planets like mars or rahu conjoins (aspects) them, it

> could also take a different shape.

> > > Â

> > > So one can see that the combination provided numerous permutation &

> combination of effects & shapes that a living being is Â

> > > Â

> > > So if anyone is very much serious to learn astrology, get a copy of

> original Sanskrit works, a Sanskrit †" English dictionary

> preferably written by M.Monier Williams and atleast Bhagavat geetha. It

> is not an easy task and may take a few years. It is not out of

> foolishness that traditionally it takes atleast 5- 10 years to learn,

> use & become capable of advising others with astrology.

> > > Â

> > > Â Â

> > > Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> > >

> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 9:40:53 AM

> > > Re: Re: conjunction of jupiter and satrun- Graha

> Yuddha is classical 7/1

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Utkal,Lalit

> > >

> > > well u must go back to classics all over

> > >

> > > the word Graha Yoddha is not fiction for that matter even vakra is a

> similar one more a apparent motion/ entity than real but has a place due

> to the eleptical orbit of the grahas in diff planes in the solar system

> they appear to be so but that means it is moving in a angle that is

> longer to see from the earth and appears stationary / retrograde /

> direct /close in conjuction-planetry war etc

> > >

> > > we r not kids to get confused with the movie star wars at least and

> surely not the rishies

> > >

> > > pl don't mislead the general public as all important writers,

> comentrators worth their salt have said, used and worked on these lines

> > >

> > > and for a person talking of fictioous crreature giving u sermons,

> wisdom? it is not part of the subject, it is a individual experience and

> can't be classified or debated in any already exisiting scales. u can

> discuss such wisdom in a diff level, grp that is on spiritual healling

> or pysche readings whatever u can call it

> > >

> > > all discussions, expansions within the establised, accepted

> principles of Vedic jyotishya in the wide spread diversity of this great

> land can be shared no area is absolute it is having multile views but

> still not from from overall essence as we know

> > > this one seems non vedic jyotish at least.

> > >

> > > I reqauest members like

> > > RRji, krishna ji, suresh babu ji, pt arjun ji Nikit, anup m, gopu

> ji, mrityunjaya tripati, PKT if he is still around etc to add their

> views on the same

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

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> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

> > >

> > > Tue, January 5, 2010 1:27:04 PM

> > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > >

> > > pls. understand there is no planetary war that happens in jyotish,

> it was an initial effort done towards understanding impact of

> conjunction of multiple planets.

> > >

> > > Sat and Jup are two diff celestial bodies with different karakatwas,

> sat can never be jup or vice versa.

> > >

> > > I wd give u charts of ppl having this yoga along with details of

> their life.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > > , Karan Kumari

> <architakhera@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear kunal ji

> > > > Thank you for putting light on this unique yoga and enriching my

> knowledge.

> > > > Also the real effect of this yoga is seen if there is actual

> conjunction like when both grahas are less than

> > > > 14 degree apart.Again if they are even less than 5 degree than

> planetary war takes place in which the planet

> > > > having less degree wons, This really destroys the aspects of house

> in which grhas are present and also those

> > > > which they signify.

> > > > Presence of this yoga in 7th house gives severe gas and joint

> problems like arthritis etc.Â

> > > > One thing which i can say surely these persons get bad result only

> if they demand so many things from lord

> > > > but on contrary if they just pray and leave everything to lord

> then saturn becomes dasa of jupiter and the best

> > > > thing automatically occurs.

> > > > YOURS SINCERELY

> > > > Archita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Utkarsh <utkarsh_vaggbhav@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 4, 2010 3:41:54 PM

> > > > Re: conjunction of jupiter ans satrun

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Archita

> > > >

> > > > I have Sa+Ju in Kanya in 11th house, and both are retro, so in a

> way effect 10th house too! i have a friend who has Sa+Ju in Kanya in 7th

> house! Another person, I know, has Sa+Ju in Sagittarius in 10th house.

> > > >

> > > > One thing I can say is that this yoga has the capability to paint

> the whole horoscope in its colour(often a monochrome). It gives you the

> " tedency to philosophise " , however, whether you profess real philosophy

> or not, will depend upon other factors in the chart! Like, if you have a

> strong Dhimanth yoga, or other such yogas, this " Brahma Yoga " will make

> your personality enigmatic and very powerful, otherwise, it will only

> produce a dull person who thinks he knows all, and tries to portray the

> same image...This yoga effects person's self-perception a lot, he likes

> to see himself in a certain way and wants others to see him like that!

> And hence, people with this yoga can be easily spotted as traditional or

> religious, with philosophic approach, often trying to make sense of

> righteousness!

> > > >

> > > > But I'll repeat, a tendency to philosophise doesn't, alone,

> produce a philosopher! And so is with " Brahma Yoga " .

> > > >

> > > > This yoga is really bad perhaps in only one bhava i.e. 7th house.

> > > >

> > > > In an average person's life, natal & gochariya Ju & Sa correlate

> once a lifetime, in his 60th year(the retirement age)...this brings

> sudden change in life either for good, or bad, altering the course of

> life! In nature, this yoga may bring catastrophes like earthquakes etc.

> Now in case of people with Brahma Yoga, this event(relation of natal &

> gochariya Ju+Sa) happens at regular intervals, so it can be easily said

> that their life is far from a smooth ride! Whether it propells forward

> or pulls down, depends on individual case!

> > > >

> > > > I have this yoga, and I worship Krishna too, but that too in his

> Gopal Sundari form(wearing sari). Needless to say, for me, spirituality,

> the essence of life is encapsulated in just one word, " Ma " !

> > > >

> > > > Your sincerely,

> > > > Kunal Nath.

> > > >

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