Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly beings? Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities assigned to these planets? Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Tigress, Good questions! You have a poet's heart! Have you just been wondering and pondering or have you actually taken the time to do some searching and reading about what others may have written on this or similar topics and themes? I envy you young people who have so many resources at their finger-tips available even without leaving home :-) Gone are the frustrating days when one had to wait a whole month for a magazine or journal to arrive, or a book to arrive by snail mail. Or make a trip to the libarary and pore through thousands of dusty pages and then find that the very article that you were dying for has been 'scissored-off' by some lazy and selfish, mindless peer (student!) :-( You folks even have videos and PDF versions of the classics, although some of those have been accused of being pirated and worse -- DOCTORED to fit the provider's fancy! If you search harder, if you are interested and sincere, you may come across thoughts which hint at separating the Jada Pindas of planets from the DEVA-essence of a given planet symbol (or symbolic planet). Percy Seymore has also written a rather thought-provoking booklet about the planetary switches. I would strongly urge you to do some serious research and reading and not rely on internet messages which will either confuse you or worse, turn you off astrology! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > beings? > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > assigned to these planets? > > Lilly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear RR_Ji, Kya jana kavi, aur kya hum jana kavi ki kavita!! I have done no research whatsoever on astrology!! These days big chunk of my day is spent job hunting(as I am unemployed right now) and planning my next move wherever it may take me..By the way whatever I have read(books/internet) has been with a pinch of salt. Nothing can replace the face to face interactive guru-Shisya, gurkul type modes of learning as the ancient did back in the golden days. I happen to have a short attention span and find it quite difficult to sit through and read large volumes of classics let alone some modern day joytisha book. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Tigress, > > Good questions! You have a poet's heart! > > Have you just been wondering and pondering or have you actually taken the time to do some searching and reading about what others may have written on this or similar topics and themes? I envy you young people who have so many resources at their finger-tips available even without leaving home :-) > > Gone are the frustrating days when one had to wait a whole month for a magazine or journal to arrive, or a book to arrive by snail mail. Or make a trip to the libarary and pore through thousands of dusty pages and then find that the very article that you were dying for has been 'scissored-off' by some lazy and selfish, mindless peer (student!) :-( > > You folks even have videos and PDF versions of the classics, although some of those have been accused of being pirated and worse -- DOCTORED to fit the provider's fancy! > > If you search harder, if you are interested and sincere, you may come across thoughts which hint at separating the Jada Pindas of planets from the DEVA-essence of a given planet symbol (or symbolic planet). Percy Seymore has also written a rather thought-provoking booklet about the planetary switches. > > I would strongly urge you to do some serious research and reading and not rely on internet messages which will either confuse you or worse, turn you off astrology! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > beings? > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > assigned to these planets? > > > > Lilly > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Tigress, I hope that you find a job and stability soon! Jyotish is like a very high precision telescope that must be placed on a very firm base, or else the images will be rather 'jumpy' and one would tend to blame it on the quality of the telescope! I am sorry if I am recycling this analogy, yet again, but I hope it does make sense to practical astronomers who have used finicky but very precise telescopes! In the meantime, avoid SALT! It causes blood pressure and is even worse if you already have pressures! That is what Dr. Internet reminds us! I know of one Guru who was not very literate, though was multilingual and had a tendency to take sayings literally! Well he once read a hindi saying in english: " Guru Good Chela Chini " The Guru figured (arrogantly!) that he is already very GOOD, so he went on searching for a chinese acolyte! He is still searching from what I heard last! Never ever take adages literally, particularly when they are transliterated: Such as sanskrit verses transcribed in English! I feel that you will be okay! Just take it easy! :-) Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Dear RR_Ji, > > Kya jana kavi, aur kya hum jana kavi ki kavita!! > > I have done no research whatsoever on astrology!! These days big chunk of my day is spent job hunting(as I am unemployed right now) and planning my next move wherever it may take me..By the way whatever I have read(books/internet) has been with a pinch of salt. Nothing can replace the face to face interactive guru-Shisya, gurkul type modes of learning as the ancient did back in the golden days. I happen to have a short attention span and find it quite difficult to sit through and read large volumes of classics let alone some modern day joytisha book. > > Lilly > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > Good questions! You have a poet's heart! > > > > Have you just been wondering and pondering or have you actually taken the time to do some searching and reading about what others may have written on this or similar topics and themes? I envy you young people who have so many resources at their finger-tips available even without leaving home :-) > > > > Gone are the frustrating days when one had to wait a whole month for a magazine or journal to arrive, or a book to arrive by snail mail. Or make a trip to the libarary and pore through thousands of dusty pages and then find that the very article that you were dying for has been 'scissored-off' by some lazy and selfish, mindless peer (student!) :-( > > > > You folks even have videos and PDF versions of the classics, although some of those have been accused of being pirated and worse -- DOCTORED to fit the provider's fancy! > > > > If you search harder, if you are interested and sincere, you may come across thoughts which hint at separating the Jada Pindas of planets from the DEVA-essence of a given planet symbol (or symbolic planet). Percy Seymore has also written a rather thought-provoking booklet about the planetary switches. > > > > I would strongly urge you to do some serious research and reading and not rely on internet messages which will either confuse you or worse, turn you off astrology! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > beings? > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Tigress,  Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology.  Planets....... so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth.  Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings.  here how i see this.. If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons... everthing is in chaitanya...  like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya....  take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals..... and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way.  regards --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Who are the real planets !! Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM  I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly beings? Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities assigned to these planets? Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Frined, Combination of Panch bhootas in Space give rise to endless VARIETY AND CHARACTERSTICS in space. Chaitanya means change(form one form to other) and comes throgh energy..Panchbhootas when they combine with each other lead to creation.It is through source of enrgy which again as we know in atmoic levelBhoota in sanskrit is a " compound " .ofcourse this force energy is also known as primordial enrgy.This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya . It is therfore chaitanya otherwise energy in various forms is there in universe in all creations. A humanya being is activated through this chaitanya.Plantary force/energy is through the interaction otherwise exerting force/energy for creation.At human level is reflected by body and mind interaction.other wise known as karmic effects. To get more clarity better to read initial chapters of Sri Sarvardha Chintamani of Late B.Surynarayana Rao The mechanism of Planets working on Human beings and the reaction of the later could be understood in a orderly manner.This universe is in orderly fashion and every thing is found to be in it's own order and is due to energy/chaitanya. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz wrote: Prince Raj <moodyboyz Re: Who are the real planets !! Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 PM  Dear Tigress,  Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology.  Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth.  Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings.  here how i see this.. If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya...  like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... .  take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals.... .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way.  regards --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > Who are the real planets !! Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM  I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly beings? Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities assigned to these planets? Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Lilly You must have heard of the words, " Yatha Brahmande, Tatha Pinde " . Whatever is there in the universe in gross form, is there in human body in subtle form. Here Human body consists of the physical as well as the Sookshma Shareer(subtle body) with all its 7 layers! You may also have heard of the story when Sri Krishna showed his mother, the whole universe in his mouth! You can easily imagine that the planets, entities in the univere, are present in our bodies in Sookshma roopa(subtle form). And once you do that, you won't have an iota of wonder how the planets effect us! Regards, Kunal Nath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Respected Krishnan Ji,  Well said. I fully agree with you. few elobration required. when you said... " This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya .'  Is this secondary energy different than the whole energy.  In science the Law of energy conservation says " Neither energy can be created nor it can be destroyed. It can just get converted from one form to another form. But the whole sum remains constant "  The secondary energy you mentioned ... what the others call it from different names like atma in spipritualism. is that constant or varying quantitatively ??  If, No, then from where this new energy coming as population of all the species is increasig day by day.  regards --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Who are the real planets !! Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:15 PM  Dear Frined, Combination of Panch bhootas in Space give rise to endless VARIETY AND CHARACTERSTICS in space. Chaitanya means change(form one form to other) and comes throgh energy..Panchbhoota s when they combine with each other lead to creation.It is through source of enrgy which again as we know in atmoic levelBhoota in sanskrit is a " compound " .ofcourse this force energy is also known as primordial enrgy.This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya . It is therfore chaitanya otherwise energy in various forms is there in universe in all creations. A humanya being is activated through this chaitanya.Plantary force/energy is through the interaction otherwise exerting force/energy for creation.At human level is reflected by body and mind interaction. other wise known as karmic effects. To get more clarity better to read initial chapters of Sri Sarvardha Chintamani of Late B.Surynarayana Rao The mechanism of Planets working on Human beings and the reaction of the later could be understood in a orderly manner.This universe is in orderly fashion and every thing is found to be in it's own order and is due to energy/chaitanya. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz > wrote: Prince Raj <moodyboyz > Re: Who are the real planets !! Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 PM  Dear Tigress,  Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology.  Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth.  Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings.  here how i see this.. If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya...  like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... .  take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals... . .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way.  regards --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > Who are the real planets !! Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM  I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly beings? Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities assigned to these planets? Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Members, Thanks you all your input on this interesting topic and of course encourage everyone to to write more as it stimulates our brain.. It's really nice to hear all your modes of thought. Lilly , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Frined, > Combination of Panch bhootas in Space give rise to endless VARIETY AND CHARACTERSTICS in space. > Chaitanya means change(form one form to other) and comes throgh energy..Panchbhootas when they combine with each other lead to creation.It is through source of enrgy which again as we know in atmoic levelBhoota in sanskrit is a " compound " .ofcourse this force energy is also known as primordial enrgy.This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya . > It is therfore chaitanya otherwise energy in various forms is there in universe in all creations. > A humanya being is activated through this chaitanya.Plantary force/energy is through the interaction otherwise exerting force/energy for creation.At human level is reflected by body and mind interaction.other wise known as karmic effects. > To get more clarity better to read initial chapters of Sri Sarvardha Chintamani of Late B.Surynarayana Rao > The mechanism of Planets working on Human beings and the reaction of the later could be understood in a orderly manner.This universe is in orderly fashion and every thing is found to be in it's own order and is due to energy/chaitanya. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz wrote: > > > Prince Raj <moodyboyz > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Tigress, >  > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. >  > Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. >  > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. >  > here how i see this.. > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya... >  > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... . >  > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals.... .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. >  > regards > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > >  > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > beings? > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > assigned to these planets? > > Lilly > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Jobs may come and go like the rain & snow, but my forum friends are here to stay. So why go worry with so many cyber angels around! Ok, on a more serious note: Mars(6L)of competition transiting my 9H (Mars' debility) with low SAV point of just 20 hasn't been helping much with getting a job (9H & 8H both have unusually low SAV points). Is it any wonder with 22 SAV points for 8H( spouse's income)I may not be so keen on tying the knot(despite all the allure of a fairy tale life!):-( You say no salt eh., but everything taste much better with a little sugar, SALT, and spice! Ever so SWEET BRAHASPATI ji says, a little bit of sugar won't really hurt ya and what won't hurt ya can't really kill you Unless you are a PHATTY! So lay off those sweets only if you are a big PHATTY Some more food for thought: I have heard people have more health complications eating too much refined SUGAR,sweet products then just adding a pinch of salt to food. Which is used mostly just to add some flavor to food. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Tigress, > > I hope that you find a job and stability soon! > > Jyotish is like a very high precision telescope that must be placed on a very firm base, or else the images will be rather 'jumpy' and one would tend to blame it on the quality of the telescope! > > I am sorry if I am recycling this analogy, yet again, but I hope it does make sense to practical astronomers who have used finicky but very precise telescopes! > > In the meantime, avoid SALT! It causes blood pressure and is even worse if you already have pressures! That is what Dr. Internet reminds us! > > I know of one Guru who was not very literate, though was multilingual and had a tendency to take sayings literally! > > Well he once read a hindi saying in english: > > " Guru Good Chela Chini " > > The Guru figured (arrogantly!) that he is already very GOOD, so he went on searching for a chinese acolyte! He is still searching from what I heard last! > > Never ever take adages literally, particularly when they are transliterated: Such as sanskrit verses transcribed in English! > > I feel that you will be okay! Just take it easy! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR_Ji, > > > > Kya jana kavi, aur kya hum jana kavi ki kavita!! > > > > I have done no research whatsoever on astrology!! These days big chunk of my day is spent job hunting(as I am unemployed right now) and planning my next move wherever it may take me..By the way whatever I have read(books/internet) has been with a pinch of salt. Nothing can replace the face to face interactive guru-Shisya, gurkul type modes of learning as the ancient did back in the golden days. I happen to have a short attention span and find it quite difficult to sit through and read large volumes of classics let alone some modern day joytisha book. > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > > > Good questions! You have a poet's heart! > > > > > > Have you just been wondering and pondering or have you actually taken the time to do some searching and reading about what others may have written on this or similar topics and themes? I envy you young people who have so many resources at their finger-tips available even without leaving home :-) > > > > > > Gone are the frustrating days when one had to wait a whole month for a magazine or journal to arrive, or a book to arrive by snail mail. Or make a trip to the libarary and pore through thousands of dusty pages and then find that the very article that you were dying for has been 'scissored-off' by some lazy and selfish, mindless peer (student!) :-( > > > > > > You folks even have videos and PDF versions of the classics, although some of those have been accused of being pirated and worse -- DOCTORED to fit the provider's fancy! > > > > > > If you search harder, if you are interested and sincere, you may come across thoughts which hint at separating the Jada Pindas of planets from the DEVA-essence of a given planet symbol (or symbolic planet). Percy Seymore has also written a rather thought-provoking booklet about the planetary switches. > > > > > > I would strongly urge you to do some serious research and reading and not rely on internet messages which will either confuse you or worse, turn you off astrology! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > > beings? > > > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Exactly Raj, Energiy being constant change over of the form of enrgy in the universe as well as in the Humans need a very true and scientific appraoch. what v understand, energy that comes throgh matabolic process give rise to chaitanya.chitanya is action that makes Karma. If the above v think chitanya partially in the form of body reflections and actions,there is also chitnaya in the mind,the enitity for the being considered as distinct and seperate.Again it is chitnaya that coordinates and comes out as instincts and indicates preferences resulting in Karma.This is all cyclic.Planets in the orbit exert and human beings respond and reflect giving body and soul interaction. The Constant factor continues and only forms of energy change in respect of human and this is secondary enrgy.we recieve enrgy from planets and also pass on enrgy by way of chaitanya resulting in Karma other wise action. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz wrote: Prince Raj <moodyboyz Re: Who are the real planets !! Friday, January 8, 2010, 5:52 AM  Respected Krishnan Ji,  Well said. I fully agree with you. few elobration required. when you said... " This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya .'  Is this secondary energy different than the whole energy.  In science the Law of energy conservation says " Neither energy can be created nor it can be destroyed. It can just get converted from one form to another form. But the whole sum remains constant "  The secondary energy you mentioned ... what the others call it from different names like atma in spipritualism. is that constant or varying quantitatively ??  If, No, then from where this new energy coming as population of all the species is increasig day by day.  regards --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Who are the real planets !! Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:15 PM  Dear Frined, Combination of Panch bhootas in Space give rise to endless VARIETY AND CHARACTERSTICS in space. Chaitanya means change(form one form to other) and comes throgh energy..Panchbhoota s when they combine with each other lead to creation.It is through source of enrgy which again as we know in atmoic levelBhoota in sanskrit is a " compound " .ofcourse this force energy is also known as primordial enrgy..This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya . It is therfore chaitanya otherwise energy in various forms is there in universe in all creations. A humanya being is activated through this chaitanya.Plantary force/energy is through the interaction otherwise exerting force/energy for creation.At human level is reflected by body and mind interaction. other wise known as karmic effects. To get more clarity better to read initial chapters of Sri Sarvardha Chintamani of Late B.Surynarayana Rao The mechanism of Planets working on Human beings and the reaction of the later could be understood in a orderly manner.This universe is in orderly fashion and every thing is found to be in it's own order and is due to energy/chaitanya. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz > wrote: Prince Raj <moodyboyz > Re: Who are the real planets !! Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 PM  Dear Tigress,  Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology.  Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth.  Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings.  here how i see this.. If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya...  like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... .  take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals.... . .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way.  regards --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > Who are the real planets !! Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM  I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly beings? Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities assigned to these planets? Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Prince, With the body that it has should a bumble bee be capable of flying? RR_, , Prince Raj <moodyboyz wrote: > > Dear Tigress, >  > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. >  > Planets....... so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. >  > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. >  > here how i see this.. > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons... everthing is in chaitanya... >  > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya.... >  > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals..... and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. >  > regards > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005 > Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > >  > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > beings? > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > assigned to these planets? > > Lilly > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Dear Prince, Firstly, nearly 70% of our body is water (not 90%). Secondly, if the ocean were not a continuous body of water but sequestered in billions and billions of 'compartments', such as body is (cells etc), would there still be tides? If gravity is the only reason for astrological influences, only sun and moon should work in the astro framework! Someone had calculated that the gravitational pull exerted by the birthing team on the baby is way more than that exerted by planets like jupiter, mars, pluto, saturn! And yet see how strongly they influence us lifelong (the planets, not the birthing team!) ;-) RR_, , Prince Raj <moodyboyz wrote: > > Dear Tigress, >  > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. >  > Planets....... so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. >  > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. >  > here how i see this.. > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons... everthing is in chaitanya... >  > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya.... >  > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals..... and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. >  > regards > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005 > Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > >  > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > beings? > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > assigned to these planets? > > Lilly > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Tigress, Everything in moderation and in a balanced manner is okay, so I have heard! Including imagination and extrapolations (analogies) ;-) Have a nice day! RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > > Jobs may come and go > like the rain & snow, > but my forum friends are here to stay. > So why go worry with so many cyber angels around! > > Ok, on a more serious note: Mars(6L)of competition transiting my 9H > (Mars' debility) with low SAV point of just 20 hasn't been helping much with getting a job (9H & 8H both have unusually low SAV points). Is it any wonder with 22 SAV points for 8H( spouse's income)I may not be so keen on tying the knot(despite all the allure of a fairy tale life!):-( > > You say no salt eh., > but everything taste much better > with a little sugar, SALT, and spice! > > Ever so SWEET BRAHASPATI ji says, > a little bit of sugar won't really hurt ya > and what won't hurt ya can't really kill you > Unless you are a PHATTY! > So lay off those sweets > only if you are a big PHATTY > > Some more food for thought: > I have heard people have more health complications eating too much refined SUGAR,sweet products then just adding a pinch of salt to food. Which is used mostly just to add some flavor to food. > > Lilly > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > I hope that you find a job and stability soon! > > > > Jyotish is like a very high precision telescope that must be placed on a very firm base, or else the images will be rather 'jumpy' and one would tend to blame it on the quality of the telescope! > > > > I am sorry if I am recycling this analogy, yet again, but I hope it does make sense to practical astronomers who have used finicky but very precise telescopes! > > > > In the meantime, avoid SALT! It causes blood pressure and is even worse if you already have pressures! That is what Dr. Internet reminds us! > > > > I know of one Guru who was not very literate, though was multilingual and had a tendency to take sayings literally! > > > > Well he once read a hindi saying in english: > > > > " Guru Good Chela Chini " > > > > The Guru figured (arrogantly!) that he is already very GOOD, so he went on searching for a chinese acolyte! He is still searching from what I heard last! > > > > Never ever take adages literally, particularly when they are transliterated: Such as sanskrit verses transcribed in English! > > > > I feel that you will be okay! Just take it easy! :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear RR_Ji, > > > > > > Kya jana kavi, aur kya hum jana kavi ki kavita!! > > > > > > I have done no research whatsoever on astrology!! These days big chunk of my day is spent job hunting(as I am unemployed right now) and planning my next move wherever it may take me..By the way whatever I have read(books/internet) has been with a pinch of salt. Nothing can replace the face to face interactive guru-Shisya, gurkul type modes of learning as the ancient did back in the golden days. I happen to have a short attention span and find it quite difficult to sit through and read large volumes of classics let alone some modern day joytisha book. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > > > > > Good questions! You have a poet's heart! > > > > > > > > Have you just been wondering and pondering or have you actually taken the time to do some searching and reading about what others may have written on this or similar topics and themes? I envy you young people who have so many resources at their finger-tips available even without leaving home :-) > > > > > > > > Gone are the frustrating days when one had to wait a whole month for a magazine or journal to arrive, or a book to arrive by snail mail. Or make a trip to the libarary and pore through thousands of dusty pages and then find that the very article that you were dying for has been 'scissored-off' by some lazy and selfish, mindless peer (student!) :-( > > > > > > > > You folks even have videos and PDF versions of the classics, although some of those have been accused of being pirated and worse -- DOCTORED to fit the provider's fancy! > > > > > > > > If you search harder, if you are interested and sincere, you may come across thoughts which hint at separating the Jada Pindas of planets from the DEVA-essence of a given planet symbol (or symbolic planet). Percy Seymore has also written a rather thought-provoking booklet about the planetary switches. > > > > > > > > I would strongly urge you to do some serious research and reading and not rely on internet messages which will either confuse you or worse, turn you off astrology! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > > > beings? > > > > > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Yes, I will take up on your advise sir, as it never gets too old!! I do tend to go off too far in space sometimes so a healthy dose of reminder never hurts the ego:-) Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Tigress, > > Everything in moderation and in a balanced manner is okay, so I have heard! > > Including imagination and extrapolations (analogies) ;-) > > Have a nice day! > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jobs may come and go > > like the rain & snow, > > but my forum friends are here to stay. > > So why go worry with so many cyber angels around! > > > > Ok, on a more serious note: Mars(6L)of competition transiting my 9H > > (Mars' debility) with low SAV point of just 20 hasn't been helping much with getting a job (9H & 8H both have unusually low SAV points). Is it any wonder with 22 SAV points for 8H( spouse's income)I may not be so keen on tying the knot(despite all the allure of a fairy tale life!):-( > > > > You say no salt eh., > > but everything taste much better > > with a little sugar, SALT, and spice! > > > > Ever so SWEET BRAHASPATI ji says, > > a little bit of sugar won't really hurt ya > > and what won't hurt ya can't really kill you > > Unless you are a PHATTY! > > So lay off those sweets > > only if you are a big PHATTY > > > > Some more food for thought: > > I have heard people have more health complications eating too much refined SUGAR,sweet products then just adding a pinch of salt to food. Which is used mostly just to add some flavor to food. > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > > > I hope that you find a job and stability soon! > > > > > > Jyotish is like a very high precision telescope that must be placed on a very firm base, or else the images will be rather 'jumpy' and one would tend to blame it on the quality of the telescope! > > > > > > I am sorry if I am recycling this analogy, yet again, but I hope it does make sense to practical astronomers who have used finicky but very precise telescopes! > > > > > > In the meantime, avoid SALT! It causes blood pressure and is even worse if you already have pressures! That is what Dr. Internet reminds us! > > > > > > I know of one Guru who was not very literate, though was multilingual and had a tendency to take sayings literally! > > > > > > Well he once read a hindi saying in english: > > > > > > " Guru Good Chela Chini " > > > > > > The Guru figured (arrogantly!) that he is already very GOOD, so he went on searching for a chinese acolyte! He is still searching from what I heard last! > > > > > > Never ever take adages literally, particularly when they are transliterated: Such as sanskrit verses transcribed in English! > > > > > > I feel that you will be okay! Just take it easy! :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR_Ji, > > > > > > > > Kya jana kavi, aur kya hum jana kavi ki kavita!! > > > > > > > > I have done no research whatsoever on astrology!! These days big chunk of my day is spent job hunting(as I am unemployed right now) and planning my next move wherever it may take me..By the way whatever I have read(books/internet) has been with a pinch of salt. Nothing can replace the face to face interactive guru-Shisya, gurkul type modes of learning as the ancient did back in the golden days. I happen to have a short attention span and find it quite difficult to sit through and read large volumes of classics let alone some modern day joytisha book. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > > > > > > > Good questions! You have a poet's heart! > > > > > > > > > > Have you just been wondering and pondering or have you actually taken the time to do some searching and reading about what others may have written on this or similar topics and themes? I envy you young people who have so many resources at their finger-tips available even without leaving home :-) > > > > > > > > > > Gone are the frustrating days when one had to wait a whole month for a magazine or journal to arrive, or a book to arrive by snail mail. Or make a trip to the libarary and pore through thousands of dusty pages and then find that the very article that you were dying for has been 'scissored-off' by some lazy and selfish, mindless peer (student!) :-( > > > > > > > > > > You folks even have videos and PDF versions of the classics, although some of those have been accused of being pirated and worse -- DOCTORED to fit the provider's fancy! > > > > > > > > > > If you search harder, if you are interested and sincere, you may come across thoughts which hint at separating the Jada Pindas of planets from the DEVA-essence of a given planet symbol (or symbolic planet). Percy Seymore has also written a rather thought-provoking booklet about the planetary switches. > > > > > > > > > > I would strongly urge you to do some serious research and reading and not rely on internet messages which will either confuse you or worse, turn you off astrology! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > > > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > > > > beings? > > > > > > > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > > > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Actually, I was not giving advice but just sharing an observation and an opinion :-) I suppose, it does become an advice if someone wishes to take it seriously and chooses to follow it. Good luck! RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Yes, I will take up on your advise sir, as it never gets too old!! > I do tend to go off too far in space sometimes so a healthy dose of reminder never hurts the ego:-) > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Tigress, > > > > Everything in moderation and in a balanced manner is okay, so I have heard! > > > > Including imagination and extrapolations (analogies) ;-) > > > > Have a nice day! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jobs may come and go > > > like the rain & snow, > > > but my forum friends are here to stay. > > > So why go worry with so many cyber angels around! > > > > > > Ok, on a more serious note: Mars(6L)of competition transiting my 9H > > > (Mars' debility) with low SAV point of just 20 hasn't been helping much with getting a job (9H & 8H both have unusually low SAV points). Is it any wonder with 22 SAV points for 8H( spouse's income)I may not be so keen on tying the knot(despite all the allure of a fairy tale life!):-( > > > > > > You say no salt eh., > > > but everything taste much better > > > with a little sugar, SALT, and spice! > > > > > > Ever so SWEET BRAHASPATI ji says, > > > a little bit of sugar won't really hurt ya > > > and what won't hurt ya can't really kill you > > > Unless you are a PHATTY! > > > So lay off those sweets > > > only if you are a big PHATTY > > > > > > Some more food for thought: > > > I have heard people have more health complications eating too much refined SUGAR,sweet products then just adding a pinch of salt to food. Which is used mostly just to add some flavor to food. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > > > > > I hope that you find a job and stability soon! > > > > > > > > Jyotish is like a very high precision telescope that must be placed on a very firm base, or else the images will be rather 'jumpy' and one would tend to blame it on the quality of the telescope! > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I am recycling this analogy, yet again, but I hope it does make sense to practical astronomers who have used finicky but very precise telescopes! > > > > > > > > In the meantime, avoid SALT! It causes blood pressure and is even worse if you already have pressures! That is what Dr. Internet reminds us! > > > > > > > > I know of one Guru who was not very literate, though was multilingual and had a tendency to take sayings literally! > > > > > > > > Well he once read a hindi saying in english: > > > > > > > > " Guru Good Chela Chini " > > > > > > > > The Guru figured (arrogantly!) that he is already very GOOD, so he went on searching for a chinese acolyte! He is still searching from what I heard last! > > > > > > > > Never ever take adages literally, particularly when they are transliterated: Such as sanskrit verses transcribed in English! > > > > > > > > I feel that you will be okay! Just take it easy! :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR_Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Kya jana kavi, aur kya hum jana kavi ki kavita!! > > > > > > > > > > I have done no research whatsoever on astrology!! These days big chunk of my day is spent job hunting(as I am unemployed right now) and planning my next move wherever it may take me..By the way whatever I have read(books/internet) has been with a pinch of salt. Nothing can replace the face to face interactive guru-Shisya, gurkul type modes of learning as the ancient did back in the golden days. I happen to have a short attention span and find it quite difficult to sit through and read large volumes of classics let alone some modern day joytisha book. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > > > > > > > > > > Good questions! You have a poet's heart! > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you just been wondering and pondering or have you actually taken the time to do some searching and reading about what others may have written on this or similar topics and themes? I envy you young people who have so many resources at their finger-tips available even without leaving home :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Gone are the frustrating days when one had to wait a whole month for a magazine or journal to arrive, or a book to arrive by snail mail. Or make a trip to the libarary and pore through thousands of dusty pages and then find that the very article that you were dying for has been 'scissored-off' by some lazy and selfish, mindless peer (student!) :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > You folks even have videos and PDF versions of the classics, although some of those have been accused of being pirated and worse -- DOCTORED to fit the provider's fancy! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you search harder, if you are interested and sincere, you may come across thoughts which hint at separating the Jada Pindas of planets from the DEVA-essence of a given planet symbol (or symbolic planet). Percy Seymore has also written a rather thought-provoking booklet about the planetary switches. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would strongly urge you to do some serious research and reading and not rely on internet messages which will either confuse you or worse, turn you off astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > > > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > > > > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > > > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > > > > > beings? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > > > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > > > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > > > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > > > > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Wow Santhosh jee! You understand me so well ;-) Now, could you please explain myself to me, so I could understand myself! Regards, RR_, , santhosh10 wrote: > > You are so right rohini ji, > And you are trying to say what you are not saying > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani > Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:45:57 > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Dear Prince, > > Firstly, nearly 70% of our body is water (not 90%). > Secondly, if the ocean were not a continuous body of water but sequestered in billions and billions of 'compartments', such as body is (cells etc), would there still be tides? > > If gravity is the only reason for astrological influences, only sun and moon should work in the astro framework! > > Someone had calculated that the gravitational pull exerted by the birthing team on the baby is way more than that exerted by planets like jupiter, mars, pluto, saturn! And yet see how strongly they influence us lifelong (the planets, not the birthing team!) ;-) > > RR_, > > , Prince Raj <moodyboyz@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tigress, > >  > > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. > >  > > Planets....... so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. > >  > > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. > >  > > here how i see this.. > > > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons... everthing is in chaitanya... > >  > > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya.... > >  > > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals..... and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. > >  > > regards > > > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > Who are the real planets !! > > > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > beings? > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > assigned to these planets? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Well Said Krishnan ji, you said " energy that comes throgh matabolic process give rise to chaitanya.chitanya is action that makes Karma. " TAKE A EXAMPLE... A PERSON MET WITH AN ACCIDENT, SEVERE HEAD INJURY AND WENT INTO COMA (MENTAL CAPACITY IS NOT THERE, PHYSICAL MOVEMENT IS THERE). ACTION IS THERE SO I CALL HE'S IN CHAITANYA. > If the above v think chitanya partially in the form of body reflections and actions,there is also chitnaya in the mind,the enitity for the being considered as distinct and seperate.Again it is chitnaya that coordinates and comes out as instincts and indicates preferences resulting in Karma. NOW HERE I FEEL YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD CAN SAY THAT HE HAS SEEN THAT SECONDARY ENERGY (OF MIND AND INTELECT), THIS SECONDARY ENERGY CAN BE ONLY FELT OR EXPERIENCED... EVEN SCIENCE DONT HAVE ANSWER OF THIS TILL DATE. IN THE ACCIDENT EXAMPLE MENTIONED ABOVE SECONDAY ENRGY (OF MIND) IS NOT DAMAGED , AND IT SIGNIFIES TOO AS BODY MOVEMENT IS THERE. The Constant factor continues and only forms of energy change in respect of human and this is secondary enrgy.we recieve enrgy from planets and also pass on enrgy by way of chaitanya resulting in Karma other wise action. NOW CAN WE ASSUME THAT DIFFERENT PLANETS HAS DIFFERENT FORCES ON THIS SECONDARY ENERGY AFTER THAT ACCIDENT THATS WHY THE SECONDARY ENERGY (MIND) IS NOT ABLE TO WORK?? REGARDS , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Exactly Raj, > Energiy being constant change over of the form of enrgy in the universe as well as in the Humans need a very true and scientific appraoch. > what v understand, energy that comes throgh matabolic process give rise to chaitanya.chitanya is action that makes Karma. > If the above v think chitanya partially in the form of body reflections and actions,there is also chitnaya in the mind,the enitity for the being considered as distinct and seperate.Again it is chitnaya that coordinates and comes out as instincts and indicates preferences resulting in Karma.This is all cyclic.Planets in the orbit exert and human beings respond and reflect giving body and soul interaction. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz wrote: > > > Prince Raj <moodyboyz > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 5:52 AM > > >  > > > > Respected Krishnan Ji, >  > Well said. I fully agree with you. > > few elobration required. when you said... > " This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya .' >  > Is this secondary energy different than the whole energy. >  > In science the Law of energy conservation says " Neither energy can be created nor it can be destroyed. It can just get converted from one form to another form. But the whole sum remains constant " >  > The secondary energy you mentioned ... what the others call it from different names like atma in spipritualism. is that constant or varying quantitatively ?? >  > If, No, then from where this new energy coming as population of all the species is increasig day by day. >  > regards > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:15 PM > >  > > Dear Frined, > Combination of Panch bhootas in Space give rise to endless VARIETY AND CHARACTERSTICS in space. > Chaitanya means change(form one form to other) and comes throgh energy..Panchbhoota s when they combine with each other lead to creation.It is through source of enrgy which again as we know in atmoic levelBhoota in sanskrit is a " compound " .ofcourse this force energy is also known as primordial enrgy..This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya . > It is therfore chaitanya otherwise energy in various forms is there in universe in all creations. > A humanya being is activated through this chaitanya.Plantary force/energy is through the interaction otherwise exerting force/energy for creation.At human level is reflected by body and mind interaction. other wise known as karmic effects. > To get more clarity better to read initial chapters of Sri Sarvardha Chintamani of Late B.Surynarayana Rao > The mechanism of Planets working on Human beings and the reaction of the later could be understood in a orderly manner.This universe is in orderly fashion and every thing is found to be in it's own order and is due to energy/chaitanya. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz > wrote: > > Prince Raj <moodyboyz > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 PM > >  > > Dear Tigress, >  > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. >  > Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. >  > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. >  > here how i see this.. > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya... >  > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... . >  > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals.... . .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. >  > regards > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > >  > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > beings? > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > assigned to these planets? > > Lilly > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Respected Rohini ji I agree on an average 70% our body is water , while i mentioned 90 % it was at the time of birth. In fact the percentage of water varies with age,gender and environmental condition , so do not want to discuss that as we will get divert from the discussion.And above all I agree with your logics of countineous body and sequestered form, so there is no reason to get in details of percentage of water. No there would not be any tides. I agree your point and very wel Sir, one querry , does people put gravitaional force on each other ?? regards , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Prince, > > Firstly, nearly 70% of our body is water (not 90%). > Secondly, if the ocean were not a continuous body of water but sequestered in billions and billions of 'compartments', such as body is (cells etc), would there still be tides? > > If gravity is the only reason for astrological influences, only sun and moon should work in the astro framework! > > Someone had calculated that the gravitational pull exerted by the birthing team on the baby is way more than that exerted by planets like jupiter, mars, pluto, saturn! And yet see how strongly they influence us lifelong (the planets, not the birthing team!) ;-) > > RR_, > > , Prince Raj <moodyboyz@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tigress, > >  > > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. > >  > > Planets....... so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. > >  > > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. > >  > > here how i see this.. > > > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons... everthing is in chaitanya... > >  > > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya.... > >  > > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals..... and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. > >  > > regards > > > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > Who are the real planets !! > > > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > beings? > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > assigned to these planets? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 DearFriend, Very Very interesting and inspiring question.In the scientific analysis,it is always explorative as potential issue to further research. Probably in the process v r getting away from Astrology and going into seamless philosophy.No doubt Astrology and philosophy have their own intimate bonds.In application however Astrology's curiosity lies in in knowing health,wealth and prosperity and less of other aspects. Perhaps v work on neural net works and also when people who work on CNS find the activation of some of these endings transmit signals.The kind of energy that influences CNs is still under exploration. 2.What however strikes if you seen in todays TV media,a Corp asking for " water " in that dreadful state even after severe injuries is a pathetic instance.yes mind/soul/intellect is imperishable.Body decays and persihes laying down basis for reincarnation theory.Further debate/understanding on such issues that come out body and soul interactions,probably worth for further understanding. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Sat, 1/9/10, moodyboyz <moodyboyz wrote: moodyboyz <moodyboyz Re: Who are the real planets !! Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:10 AM  Well Said Krishnan ji, you said " energy that comes throgh matabolic process give rise to chaitanya..chitanya is action that makes Karma. " TAKE A EXAMPLE... A PERSON MET WITH AN ACCIDENT, SEVERE HEAD INJURY AND WENT INTO COMA (MENTAL CAPACITY IS NOT THERE, PHYSICAL MOVEMENT IS THERE). ACTION IS THERE SO I CALL HE'S IN CHAITANYA. > If the above v think chitanya partially in the form of body reflections and actions,there is also chitnaya in the mind,the enitity for the being considered as distinct and seperate.Again it is chitnaya that coordinates and comes out as instincts and indicates preferences resulting in Karma. NOW HERE I FEEL YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD CAN SAY THAT HE HAS SEEN THAT SECONDARY ENERGY (OF MIND AND INTELECT), THIS SECONDARY ENERGY CAN BE ONLY FELT OR EXPERIENCED. .. EVEN SCIENCE DONT HAVE ANSWER OF THIS TILL DATE. IN THE ACCIDENT EXAMPLE MENTIONED ABOVE SECONDAY ENRGY (OF MIND) IS NOT DAMAGED , AND IT SIGNIFIES TOO AS BODY MOVEMENT IS THERE. The Constant factor continues and only forms of energy change in respect of human and this is secondary enrgy.we recieve enrgy from planets and also pass on enrgy by way of chaitanya resulting in Karma other wise action. NOW CAN WE ASSUME THAT DIFFERENT PLANETS HAS DIFFERENT FORCES ON THIS SECONDARY ENERGY AFTER THAT ACCIDENT THATS WHY THE SECONDARY ENERGY (MIND) IS NOT ABLE TO WORK?? REGARDS , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Exactly Raj, > Energiy being constant change over of the form of enrgy in the universe as well as in the Humans need a very true and scientific appraoch. > what v understand, energy that comes throgh matabolic process give rise to chaitanya.chitanya is action that makes Karma. > If the above v think chitanya partially in the form of body reflections and actions,there is also chitnaya in the mind,the enitity for the being considered as distinct and seperate.Again it is chitnaya that coordinates and comes out as instincts and indicates preferences resulting in Karma.This is all cyclic.Planets in the orbit exert and human beings respond and reflect giving body and soul interaction. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz@. ..> wrote: > > > Prince Raj <moodyboyz@. ..> > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 5:52 AM > > >  > > > > Respected Krishnan Ji, >  > Well said. I fully agree with you. > > few elobration required. when you said... > " This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya .' >  > Is this secondary energy different than the whole energy. >  > In science the Law of energy conservation says " Neither energy can be created nor it can be destroyed. It can just get converted from one form to another form. But the whole sum remains constant " >  > The secondary energy you mentioned ... what the others call it from different names like atma in spipritualism. is that constant or varying quantitatively ?? >  > If, No, then from where this new energy coming as population of all the species is increasig day by day. >  > regards > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:15 PM > >  > > Dear Frined, > Combination of Panch bhootas in Space give rise to endless VARIETY AND CHARACTERSTICS in space. > Chaitanya means change(form one form to other) and comes throgh energy..Panchbhoota s when they combine with each other lead to creation.It is through source of enrgy which again as we know in atmoic levelBhoota in sanskrit is a " compound " .ofcourse this force energy is also known as primordial enrgy..This apart we also find secondary energy through our body and mind producing chaitanya . > It is therfore chaitanya otherwise energy in various forms is there in universe in all creations. > A humanya being is activated through this chaitanya.Plantary force/energy is through the interaction otherwise exerting force/energy for creation.At human level is reflected by body and mind interaction. other wise known as karmic effects. > To get more clarity better to read initial chapters of Sri Sarvardha Chintamani of Late B.Surynarayana Rao > The mechanism of Planets working on Human beings and the reaction of the later could be understood in a orderly manner.This universe is in orderly fashion and every thing is found to be in it's own order and is due to energy/chaitanya. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Prince Raj <moodyboyz > wrote: > > Prince Raj <moodyboyz > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 PM > >  > > Dear Tigress, >  > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. >  > Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. >  > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. >  > here how i see this.. > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya... >  > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... .. >  > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals... . . .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. >  > regards > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > Who are the real planets !! > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > >  > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > beings? > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > assigned to these planets? > > Lilly > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Dear Rohini Ji, I only meant that i fully agree with you on the issue but that in saying so you have not come out with what you think on the issue. It defnitely does not mean that i know what you have in mind and definitely i have not grown anywhere near to making you understand about myself. (will try my hand if we both meet sometime in the next birth :-) Instead I can tell you what i think (not believe- cos thinking is something and believing is something else all together). i have seen many astrologers trying to explain the veracity of astrology by saying the same thing as you have disputed, like the effect of moon on tides, its connection with lunacy, asthma etc. Though moon may have a significant part to play in lunacy, and asthma attack etc, we cannot use that as a base to argue for the effect of planets on our daily life. if it were that simple, it would have been found as a sloka even at the beginning of brihad jataka or any other classic. our ancients did not see the need to establish the veracity of the effect of the planets on our lives and they did not feel that it was necessary. Hence, i do not understand where the need is now? I have used tarrot cards and dowsing pendulams to predict for a long time and i have got more than 80% accuracy (when i do for others. somehow they dont work that effectively for myself). it is possible that every system may have its own way of arriving at the final result. maybe the system is not important, the intent of the person is important which decides the result that you get. (This could be one reason why i fail to get accurate results for myself, i am emotionally attached with the question and the result and hence my intent is biased. for example if i use a dowsing pendulam to ask if i will get a postive contract, my mind wants the answer as yes. my mind isnt neutral). these varous systems arriving at similar conclusion is akin to different types of relegions saying all most the same, meaning the same, yet advocating different ways. I rest my case in all humility my honour. regards and respects santhosh  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sat, 9 January, 2010 4:56:46 AM Re: Who are the real planets !!  Wow Santhosh jee! You understand me so well ;-) Now, could you please explain myself to me, so I could understand myself! Regards, RR_, , santhosh10@. .. wrote: > > You are so right rohini ji, > And you are trying to say what you are not saying > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:45:57 > <> > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > Dear Prince, > > Firstly, nearly 70% of our body is water (not 90%). > Secondly, if the ocean were not a continuous body of water but sequestered in billions and billions of 'compartments' , such as body is (cells etc), would there still be tides? > > If gravity is the only reason for astrological influences, only sun and moon should work in the astro framework! > > Someone had calculated that the gravitational pull exerted by the birthing team on the baby is way more than that exerted by planets like jupiter, mars, pluto, saturn! And yet see how strongly they influence us lifelong (the planets, not the birthing team!) ;-) > > RR_, > > , Prince Raj <moodyboyz@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tigress, > >  > > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. > >  > > Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. > >  > > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. > >  > > here how i see this.. > > > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya... > >  > > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... . > >  > > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals... .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. > >  > > regards > > > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > Who are the real planets !! > > > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > beings? > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > assigned to these planets? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 In astrology the planets were working on the principle of Gravitational Force that's farmula E=mc2 maen that force is depend on the shape of the planet so we say that the jupitar is more powerful . On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > I only meant that i fully agree with you on the issue but that in saying so > you have not come out with what you think on the issue. It defnitely does > not mean that i know what you have in mind and definitely i have not grown > anywhere near to making you understand about myself. (will try my hand if we > both meet sometime in the next birth :-) > > Instead I can tell you what i think (not believe- cos thinking is something > and believing is something else all together). i have seen many astrologers > trying to explain the veracity of astrology by saying the same thing as you > have disputed, like the effect of moon on tides, its connection with lunacy, > asthma etc. Though moon may have a significant part to play in lunacy, and > asthma attack etc, we cannot use that as a base to argue for the effect of > planets on our daily life. if it were that simple, it would have been found > as a sloka even at the beginning of brihad jataka or any other classic. our > ancients did not see the need to establish the veracity of the effect of the > planets on our lives and they did not feel that it was necessary. Hence, i > do not understand where the need is now? > > I have used tarrot cards and dowsing pendulams to predict for a long time > and i have got more than 80% accuracy (when i do for others. somehow they > dont work that effectively for myself). it is possible that every system may > have its own way of arriving at the final result. maybe the system is not > important, the intent of the person is important which decides the result > that you get. (This could be one reason why i fail to get accurate results > for myself, i am emotionally attached with the question and the result and > hence my intent is biased. for example if i use a dowsing pendulam to ask if > i will get a postive contract, my mind wants the answer as yes. my mind isnt > neutral). these varous systems arriving at similar conclusion is akin to > different types of relegions saying all most the same, meaning the same, yet > advocating different ways. > > I rest my case in all humility my honour. > > regards and respects > > santhosh > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani <jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com> > > > <%40> > Sat, 9 January, 2010 4:56:46 AM > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > > Wow Santhosh jee! > > You understand me so well ;-) > > Now, could you please explain myself to me, so I could understand myself! > > Regards, > > RR_, > > , santhosh10@. .. wrote: > > > > You are so right rohini ji, > > And you are trying to say what you are not saying > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:45:57 > > <> > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > > > Dear Prince, > > > > Firstly, nearly 70% of our body is water (not 90%). > > Secondly, if the ocean were not a continuous body of water but > sequestered in billions and billions of 'compartments' , such as body is > (cells etc), would there still be tides? > > > > If gravity is the only reason for astrological influences, only sun and > moon should work in the astro framework! > > > > Someone had calculated that the gravitational pull exerted by the > birthing team on the baby is way more than that exerted by planets like > jupiter, mars, pluto, saturn! And yet see how strongly they influence us > lifelong (the planets, not the birthing team!) ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Prince Raj <moodyboyz@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > >  > > > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was > introduced to Astrology. > > >  > > > Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can > those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. > > >  > > > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from > India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved > that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes > on sayings. > > >  > > > here how i see this.. > > > > > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the > we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up > to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in > chaitanya... > > >  > > > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in > chaitanya... . > > >  > > > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the > water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can > cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we > can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The > moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different > chemicals... .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in > different way. > > >  > > > regards > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > Who are the real planets !! > > > > > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in > distance, > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > beings? > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, > qualities > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Dear Santhosh ji, What you have stated as 'thinking' vs 'believing' has been *observed* and reported numerous times before you, so you are in good company and not creating some unique, individual perceptional reality ;-) Your first statement was: " And you are trying to say what you are not saying " in elaboration of which you next wrote: 'in saying so you have not come out with what you think on the issue'! My question to you essentially was, " How do you, Santhoshji, know that I had something to say, about the issue, that I was holding back Sounded a bit presumptive on your part ;-} Human beings are judgmental by nature. Some 'judgments' are harmful and create the mal-discrimination in society and biases, but many judgments though relatively harmless lead to a noisy signal. Examples of such judgments include: jumping to conclusions, assuming that we know what others are thinking, judging the character and personality or even persona of another person just by one look or worse through internet personal -- postings for instance. I hope I am not giving you a headache because of my dissection :-) but there is an astrological relevance and since you are an avid learner (by your admission! I am not judging you :-)) I know of one astrologer who used to be very wary of this kind of natural tendency of judging that we all have. Through practice etc he had learned to put away this kind of judgmental 'noise' when he analysed horoscopes. So, regardless of what was going on in his personal life or was uppermost in his mind, he managed to reduce and possibly eliminate the impact and intrusion of those into the reading. The first step is to become aware of this within ourselves. " Noises " are basically very SHY. Once they become aware that they are being noticed, they go away and hide :-) Regards, Rohiniranjan , Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > I only meant that i fully agree with you on the issue but that in saying so you have not come out with what you think on the issue. It defnitely does not mean that i know what you have in mind and definitely i have not grown anywhere near to making you understand about myself. (will try my hand if we both meet sometime in the next birth :-) > > Instead I can tell you what i think (not believe- cos thinking is something and believing is something else all together). i have seen many astrologers trying to explain the veracity of astrology by saying the same thing as you have disputed, like the effect of moon on tides, its connection with lunacy, asthma etc. Though moon may have a significant part to play in lunacy, and asthma attack etc, we cannot use that as a base to argue for the effect of planets on our daily life. if it were that simple, it would have been found as a sloka even at the beginning of brihad jataka or any other classic. our ancients did not see the need to establish the veracity of the effect of the planets on our lives and they did not feel that it was necessary. Hence, i do not understand where the need is now? > > I have used tarrot cards and dowsing pendulams to predict for a long time and i have got more than 80% accuracy (when i do for others. somehow they dont work that effectively for myself). it is possible that every system may have its own way of arriving at the final result. maybe the system is not important, the intent of the person is important which decides the result that you get. (This could be one reason why i fail to get accurate results for myself, i am emotionally attached with the question and the result and hence my intent is biased. for example if i use a dowsing pendulam to ask if i will get a postive contract, my mind wants the answer as yes. my mind isnt neutral). these varous systems arriving at similar conclusion is akin to different types of relegions saying all most the same, meaning the same, yet advocating different ways. > > I rest my case in all humility my honour. > > regards and respects > > santhosh > >  > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sat, 9 January, 2010 4:56:46 AM > Re: Who are the real planets !! > >  > Wow Santhosh jee! > > You understand me so well ;-) > > Now, could you please explain myself to me, so I could understand myself! > > Regards, > > RR_, > > , santhosh10@ .. wrote: > > > > You are so right rohini ji, > > And you are trying to say what you are not saying > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:45:57 > > <> > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > > > Dear Prince, > > > > Firstly, nearly 70% of our body is water (not 90%). > > Secondly, if the ocean were not a continuous body of water but sequestered in billions and billions of 'compartments' , such as body is (cells etc), would there still be tides? > > > > If gravity is the only reason for astrological influences, only sun and moon should work in the astro framework! > > > > Someone had calculated that the gravitational pull exerted by the birthing team on the baby is way more than that exerted by planets like jupiter, mars, pluto, saturn! And yet see how strongly they influence us lifelong (the planets, not the birthing team!) ;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Prince Raj <moodyboyz@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > >  > > > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was introduced to Astrology. > > >  > > > Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. > > >  > > > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes on sayings. > > >  > > > here how i see this.. > > > > > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in chaitanya... > > >  > > > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in chaitanya... . > > >  > > > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different chemicals... .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in different way. > > >  > > > regards > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > Who are the real planets !! > > > > > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in distance, > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > beings? > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, qualities > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 WOW! I can visualize Einstein turning in his grave! Even the DEAD can LISTEN :-D OY VAY...! RR_, , Acharya Shushil Awasthi Prabhakar <acharyashushil wrote: > > In astrology the planets were working on the principle of Gravitational > Force that's farmula E=mc2 maen that force is depend on the shape of the > planet so we say that the jupitar is more powerful . > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > > > I only meant that i fully agree with you on the issue but that in saying so > > you have not come out with what you think on the issue. It defnitely does > > not mean that i know what you have in mind and definitely i have not grown > > anywhere near to making you understand about myself. (will try my hand if we > > both meet sometime in the next birth :-) > > > > Instead I can tell you what i think (not believe- cos thinking is something > > and believing is something else all together). i have seen many astrologers > > trying to explain the veracity of astrology by saying the same thing as you > > have disputed, like the effect of moon on tides, its connection with lunacy, > > asthma etc. Though moon may have a significant part to play in lunacy, and > > asthma attack etc, we cannot use that as a base to argue for the effect of > > planets on our daily life. if it were that simple, it would have been found > > as a sloka even at the beginning of brihad jataka or any other classic. our > > ancients did not see the need to establish the veracity of the effect of the > > planets on our lives and they did not feel that it was necessary. Hence, i > > do not understand where the need is now? > > > > I have used tarrot cards and dowsing pendulams to predict for a long time > > and i have got more than 80% accuracy (when i do for others. somehow they > > dont work that effectively for myself). it is possible that every system may > > have its own way of arriving at the final result. maybe the system is not > > important, the intent of the person is important which decides the result > > that you get. (This could be one reason why i fail to get accurate results > > for myself, i am emotionally attached with the question and the result and > > hence my intent is biased. for example if i use a dowsing pendulam to ask if > > i will get a postive contract, my mind wants the answer as yes. my mind isnt > > neutral). these varous systems arriving at similar conclusion is akin to > > different types of relegions saying all most the same, meaning the same, yet > > advocating different ways. > > > > I rest my case in all humility my honour. > > > > regards and respects > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani <jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com> > > > > > <%40> > > Sat, 9 January, 2010 4:56:46 AM > > > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > > > > > Wow Santhosh jee! > > > > You understand me so well ;-) > > > > Now, could you please explain myself to me, so I could understand myself! > > > > Regards, > > > > RR_, > > > > , santhosh10@ .. wrote: > > > > > > You are so right rohini ji, > > > And you are trying to say what you are not saying > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:45:57 > > > <> > > > Re: Who are the real planets !! > > > > > > Dear Prince, > > > > > > Firstly, nearly 70% of our body is water (not 90%). > > > Secondly, if the ocean were not a continuous body of water but > > sequestered in billions and billions of 'compartments' , such as body is > > (cells etc), would there still be tides? > > > > > > If gravity is the only reason for astrological influences, only sun and > > moon should work in the astro framework! > > > > > > Someone had calculated that the gravitational pull exerted by the > > birthing team on the baby is way more than that exerted by planets like > > jupiter, mars, pluto, saturn! And yet see how strongly they influence us > > lifelong (the planets, not the birthing team!) ;-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Prince Raj <moodyboyz@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tigress, > > > >  > > > > Well the same thoughts came in my mind , when first time i was > > introduced to Astrology. > > > >  > > > > Planets..... .. so far ... thousands of light years away... how can > > those affect the lifes of human beings at earth. > > > >  > > > > Being a engineering graduate and post graduate in management from > > India's No. 1 institute.. i always belives on logics... and its proved > > that engineers are always left hemisphere mind dominated and do not believes > > on sayings. > > > >  > > > > here how i see this.. > > > > > > > > If you go on micro level everything is in chaitanya. how can we say the > > we are in chaitanya.. our body is made of tissues... go at micro level. .up > > to atom level... even below that electrons and protons.. . everthing is in > > chaitanya... > > > >  > > > > like wise if you see at micro level.... planets are also in > > chaitanya... . > > > >  > > > > take the example of Moon... so far from us still causes tides in the > > water of sea. 90% of our body is water... scientifically proved. If moon can > > cause the tides in sea water , which is having higher inertia... how come we > > can think that it will not be creating some disturbace in our body. The > > moment disturbance is created .... the brain will secret the different > > chemicals... .. and start thinking and seeing the same things in > > different way. > > > >  > > > > regards > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Who are the real planets !! > > > > > > > > Friday, January 8, 2010, 2:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered(like children often do) how the planets/ heavenly > > > > bodies that happens to be 100 some light years away from us in > > distance, > > > > and that too they are " jaar " (inert) as in " not chaitanya " although > > > > rotating and transiting, hold so much power & influence over us earthly > > > > beings? > > > > > > > > Now is it possible the ancient rishi munis who wrote the classics > > > > actually spoke in metaphors, and symbols as poets and authors often > > > > do..Could these planets(above the sky) actually represent actual " human > > > > beings " (right here on earth) who posses these characteristics, > > qualities > > > > assigned to these planets? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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