Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

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Rohini Dada,

It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent fast is

good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan dada,

 

When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted the

information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there being

doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to their

inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

 

Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

 

That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

 

If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of women(

one extreme to the other)!!

> Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all the

devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

>

> When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded she

takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind to

" Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

>

> Lilly

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not

really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > >

> > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to

vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > >

> > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but since

then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is why the

seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > >

> > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are

unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis, a

complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > >

> > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > >

> > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are the

Indian sisters?

> > > > >

> > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those

noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is

funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What

I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless

the criterias are correct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background,

particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to

get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s?

whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell,

couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce

notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat.. why the

sudden increase?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the

willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology

books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are

truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life

and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to

them?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers

like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly

been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that

show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too!

They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After all  my business

depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias. 

> > > > > > >  A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for

you :-(

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me

sit up straight!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle

assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine

their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K

big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into

loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They

don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill

gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A..G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\

…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\

’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500

cases.

> > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚ÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the

7th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45%

of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the

hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\

’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\

…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 

> > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through

marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits

the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and

11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i

will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage...till then i

will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from

royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is

not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost

very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I am sorry dear, but I would not blame the British who came in as traders,

explorers and became the Masters!

 

We (Indians) were already divided and allowed ourselves to be taken over, since

there was not a sense of " WE " and " family " with all those little princely states

and what not!

 

SADLY, I SEE THAT IN THE DOMAIN OF JYOTISH TOO, ALL OVER THE PLACE!

 

" United we stand, divided we fall "

 

WE can and will be taken over so easily, because we fight amongst ourselves!

Just look around and sample all the jyotish forums, if you think this old man is

talking through his hat (which happens to be a toque and not a Gandhi Topee!)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> //There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to deal

with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the original

native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They should look at

India which despite its challenges and dare I say some dysfunctionalities (May

God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent can more or less

peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage to grow and

hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying attention

and has begun to listen to India, once again!//

>

> After all it's the Europeans that love to divide, and further segregate the

world!! Lets look at what the Brits did before they left India- India

Vs.Pakistan.. Hindu's and Islamis/ Muslims co-exited together for over a

thousand years, then the Brits ruled less than 200 and left the country in a

bigger mess..We have over 50 languages, 100 jati's and sub jati's, 10 different

religions all fighting with each other..And to top it all off the country in a

complete and utter chaos under the hands on congress party!!

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > India is not one country or one PEOPLE -- never was! I think of it is like

'a' Europe. In other words a country that is really a continent!

> >

> > You may find these wikis of interest. They were nice refreshers for me:

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_India

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India

> >

> > There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to deal

with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the original

native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They should look at

India which despite its challenges and dare I say some dysfunctionalities (May

God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent can more or less

peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage to grow and

hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying attention

and has begun to listen to India, once again!

> >

> > When one is in the 'thick of the things' one does not realize but from a

distance, the view is often clearer! It is like us watching the Milkyway (our

galaxy) around the sign of Sagittarius! Easier and more effectively done when

sun is in gemini rather than when sun is in dhanu! :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > >

> > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded she

takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind to

" Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not

really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > >

> > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to

vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage

> > > > >

> > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are

unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis,

a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes!!

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are

the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is

funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of 

planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand,

evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court

to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/europeans?

whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell,

couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce

notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the

sudden increase?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they

are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and

failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers

like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters

that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others

too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics,

indices & criterias. 

> > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work

for you :-(

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made

me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be

19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold.

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.  

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'‚ these things shall helpÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  &

statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it

always.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure

with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in

the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th

45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the

hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements

like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary

learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what

could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars)

and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of

sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till

then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

AH-ME-RI-CA- AAWO MERE HO KYA??

As we Indians like to call it MAYA NAGRI!!

 

Lilly

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Fighting is not wrong in the world as the fight is predominantly for struggle

for existence.Brits have given good lesson.But v coloured them for obvious

reason.Europe has few miles advance as they have devided ruled and

developed.Helped the society to show concern for their own aspirations and

fulfilment.Also they have made their countries as an attarction for others too

and work hard and earn by your virtues.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:42 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> //There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to deal

with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the original

native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They should look at

India which despite its challenges and dare I say some dysfunctionalities (May

God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent can more or less

peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage to grow and

hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying attention

and has begun to listen to India, once again!//

>

> After all it's the Europeans that love to divide, and further segregate the

world!! Lets look at what the Brits did before they left India- India

Vs.Pakistan. . Hindu's and Islamis/ Muslims co-exited together for over a

thousand years, then the Brits ruled less than 200 and left the country in a

bigger mess..We have over 50 languages, 100 jati's and sub jati's, 10 different

religions all fighting with each other..And to top it all off the country in a

complete and utter chaos under the hands on congress party!!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > India is not one country or one PEOPLE -- never was! I think of it is like

'a' Europe. In other words a country that is really a continent!

> >

> > You may find these wikis of interest. They were nice refreshers for me:

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ India

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Culture_of_ India

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Languages_ of_India

> >

> > There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to deal

with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the original

native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They should look at

India which despite its challenges and dare I say some dysfunctionalities (May

God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent can more or less

peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage to grow and

hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying attention

and has begun to listen to India, once again!

> >

> > When one is in the 'thick of the things' one does not realize but from a

distance, the view is often clearer! It is like us watching the Milkyway (our

galaxy) around the sign of Sagittarius! Easier and more effectively done when

sun is in gemini rather than when sun is in dhanu! :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > >

> > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded she

takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind to

" Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not

really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > >

> > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to

vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > >

> > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are

unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis,

a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are

the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is

funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated..

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand,

evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court

to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s?

whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell,

couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce

notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the

sudden increase?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they

are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life

and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to

them?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers

like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters

that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others

too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers,

Statistics, indices & criterias. 

> > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work

for you :-(

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made

me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better

would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold.

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did

just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But

does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it

indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in

the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th

45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the

hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " ,

but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything

from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

ƒÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a

system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars)

and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of

sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till

then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents...almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles...dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Just to set the 'context' right, dear brothers and sisters -- my office and

sanctum sanctorium has always been in the 'basement' which I jokingly call

" dungeon " . My best work arises out of being in the warm embrace of Mother Earth!

I have always tried to stay as close to the Ground/pragmatism/earthy as the

adjectives go, and so it was natural to select the right place where the office

must be! Actually, I did not use astrology or whatever but it just turned out

that way. The closeness to cemeteries and the basement office!

 

I hope I am not freaking out the kids!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Suresh Ji

> This remenids how in this planet earth all living beings live in

Harmony.Thanks to great palnetary systems.There, every being with no

distiinction of  two legs or four legs live and help each other.The role of

Gurus mainly jupiter and Venus is exemplary and a crown in our zodiacal system.

> ..Company of Great Planets and portrayed as benfics probably perfect to be

understood in dungeon.

> Ofcourse KALHANDI TOO in Orissa to in East Coast both Jupiter and venus are a

treat to watch let they do not kill priests and find fault with Institution that

make haven for exploiting innocence of the great race of human beings in

environments akin to nature.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:40 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> I am truely sorry, I got confused with you being in dungeon, art , jupiter

&  Venus  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> Sun, January 10, 2010 11:43:00 PM

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

>  

> Jupiter venus was in reference to a chart :-)

> Surely, you did not want me to 'doctor' the chart to suit the text, did you

;-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji,

> >  

> > That is valid observation.

> >  

> > How you copeup / manage  with the SUN's heat.

> >  

> > A few years back I was in Orissa, Kalahandi district. One day at about 11am

I started to go out to the nearest Junct. But the locals warned me to take an

Umbrella. Due to my ignorence, I did not care. But After going for just about

10mnts, I had splitting headache and had to take rest for 2 days.

> >  

> > So, it is better to be carefull about that SUN and precautions.

> >  

> > There are many cities which comes to life ones the SUN sets.

> >  

> > About not working on Sunday. That depends on the looking glass. Human body &

mind needs rest like any other machine on one hand and on the other it is better

to have atleast one day for the family. Why jupiter & Venus alone?. why not

mercury, saturn, sun, moon and even Rahu & ketu. What is more beautifull than

that?  

> >

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:52 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Shenoy_jee,

> >

> > I have wondered about that! SUN is our micromanager in modern times! For

most of us! We rise with the sun and get ready and go to work and most of us

return to rest around the time when the SUN sets!

> >

> > And yet nearly the entire world comes to rest on SUNDAY! Shouldn't this be

the very day when we must be most active?

> >

> > When I lived in India we had a 6+1 week! Saturday was a day of work. Later

on I heard that some of the engineering colleges let their students and faculty

off after noon!

> >

> > I knew someone who worked 7 days a week! His clerks hated him because he

made them come to work on Sunday, the day of rest in India back in the 50s and

60s.

> >

> > He often took me with him to his office when I had a day off at school. I

worked in his office for a bit and watched in awe but without understanding how

important he was or his work was. And when I finished my work he used to quiz

me. He was way tougher than most teachers but more knowledgeable and kinder in

some ways! When done, I was sent down to the dungeon (basement) where the ART

department was with so many paints, crayons, and photographic equipment! I feel

privileged that I experienced Jupiter and venus right in the next house from

where I was in that chart -- which I wrote about elsewhere!

> >

> > It is a rare privilege to observe a karmayogi so closely! When work becomes

worship, something miraculous unfolds! One gets to witness free-will

unfolding... !

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >  

> > > It is sunday here.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:56 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > >

> > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > >

> > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and divorce

and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older ones (40+)!

> > >

> > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are the

Indian sisters?

> > >

> > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > >

> > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > >

> > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those

noisy characters, youÃÆ'‚ advised to let it go and live with

them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > >

> > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am

saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the

criterias are correct.

> > > >

> > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of

planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation.. Sages

or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on

different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

ofÃÆ'‚  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer

to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives.

> > > >

> > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background,

particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > >

> > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a

divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose

data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples

vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices

are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden

increase?

> > > >

> > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the

willingness of people to faceÃÆ'‚ their onsloughts and hold on to

the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is

lacking.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology

books available on the railway station stands?

> > > >

> > > > Just take a statistics on theÃÆ'‚ kind of people who pose

such questions on internet.

> > > >

> > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are

truely inclined towards it, but out their onÃÆ'‚ own fear about

their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it

provide to them?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like

siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > >

> > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > >

> > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been

carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > >

> > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > >

> > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE!

> > > >

> > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > >

> > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > >

> > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that

show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too!

They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

a lot of sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > After

allÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you

:-(

> > > > >

> > > > > I hear you!

> > > > >

> > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit

up straight!

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity,

negative or positive!

> > > > >

> > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle

assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine

their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss,

where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation &

cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation

and millions in loss.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't

get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates

do the calculations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\

¡ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\

¡ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times

are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\

…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'\

¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical

figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500

cases.

> > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ\

'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢\

ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of

them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts

of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\

…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'\

¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have

sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons

who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space

>

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Â\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  should not

resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â\

€¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢\

‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\

Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology

saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status

family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through

marriage category

> > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the

road... " !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th

lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will

be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will

be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal

family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not

good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost

very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I agree fully!

 

After taking " hindi chini bhai bhai " , when India was attacked by China in the

Sixties, the nation woke up and began paying attention to the sixth house and

began building up a strong ARMY of which we all must be very proud! Whether we

live in India or not, today!

 

It was a brotherly wake-up call, as far as I see it!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Fighting is not wrong in the world as the fight is predominantly for struggle

for existence.Brits have given good lesson.But v coloured them for obvious

reason.Europe has few miles advance as they have devided ruled and

developed.Helped the society to show concern for their own aspirations and

fulfilment.Also they have made their countries as an attarction for others too

and work hard and earn by your virtues.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:42 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> //There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to deal

with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the original

native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They should look at

India which despite its challenges and dare I say some dysfunctionalities (May

God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent can more or less

peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage to grow and

hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying attention

and has begun to listen to India, once again!//

>

> After all it's the Europeans that love to divide, and further segregate the

world!! Lets look at what the Brits did before they left India- India

Vs.Pakistan. . Hindu's and Islamis/ Muslims co-exited together for over a

thousand years, then the Brits ruled less than 200 and left the country in a

bigger mess..We have over 50 languages, 100 jati's and sub jati's, 10 different

religions all fighting with each other..And to top it all off the country in a

complete and utter chaos under the hands on congress party!!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > India is not one country or one PEOPLE -- never was! I think of it is like

'a' Europe. In other words a country that is really a continent!

> >

> > You may find these wikis of interest. They were nice refreshers for me:

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ India

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Culture_of_ India

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Languages_ of_India

> >

> > There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to deal

with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the original

native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They should look at

India which despite its challenges and dare I say some dysfunctionalities (May

God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent can more or less

peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage to grow and

hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying attention

and has begun to listen to India, once again!

> >

> > When one is in the 'thick of the things' one does not realize but from a

distance, the view is often clearer! It is like us watching the Milkyway (our

galaxy) around the sign of Sagittarius! Easier and more effectively done when

sun is in gemini rather than when sun is in dhanu! :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > >

> > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded she

takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind to

" Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not

really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > >

> > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to

vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > >

> > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are

unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis,

a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are

the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is

funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated..

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand,

evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court

to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s?

whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell,

couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce

notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the

sudden increase?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they

are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life

and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to

them?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers

like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters

that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others

too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers,

Statistics, indices & criterias. 

> > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work

for you :-(

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made

me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better

would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold.

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did

just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But

does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it

indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in

the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th

45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the

hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " ,

but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything

from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

ƒÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a

system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars)

and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of

sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till

then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents...almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles...dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from time to

time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

<neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days associated

with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Rohini Dada,

> It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent fast

is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Krishnan dada,

>

> When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted the

information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there being

doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to their

inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

>

> Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

>

> That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

>

> If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all the

devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> >

> > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded she

takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind to

" Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> >

> > Lilly

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not

really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > >

> > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to

vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > >

> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > >

> > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are

unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis, a

complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are

the Indian sisters?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It

is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background,

particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to

get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s?

whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell,

couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce

notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat.. why the

sudden increase?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the

willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they

are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their

life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide

to them?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers

like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly

been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters

that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others

too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my business

depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work

for you :-(

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made

me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle

assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine

their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is

19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into

loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They

don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill

gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in

the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th

45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the

hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through

marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars)

and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of

sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from

royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is

not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

MAYA nagri is further south from where all this 2012 stuff is coming forth!

 

A very interesting article I am reading about the galactic alignment. I will

post the link one of these days.

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> AH-ME-RI-CA- AAWO MERE HO KYA??

> As we Indians like to call it MAYA NAGRI!!

>

> Lilly

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Fighting is not wrong in the world as the fight is predominantly for

struggle for existence.Brits have given good lesson.But v coloured them for

obvious reason.Europe has few miles advance as they have devided ruled and

developed.Helped the society to show concern for their own aspirations and

fulfilment.Also they have made their countries as an attarction for others too

and work hard and earn by your virtues.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:42 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > //There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to

deal with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the

original native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They

should look at India which despite its challenges and dare I say some

dysfunctionalities (May God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent

can more or less peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage

to grow and hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying

attention and has begun to listen to India, once again!//

> >

> > After all it's the Europeans that love to divide, and further segregate the

world!! Lets look at what the Brits did before they left India- India

Vs.Pakistan. . Hindu's and Islamis/ Muslims co-exited together for over a

thousand years, then the Brits ruled less than 200 and left the country in a

bigger mess..We have over 50 languages, 100 jati's and sub jati's, 10 different

religions all fighting with each other..And to top it all off the country in a

complete and utter chaos under the hands on congress party!!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > India is not one country or one PEOPLE -- never was! I think of it is like

'a' Europe. In other words a country that is really a continent!

> > >

> > > You may find these wikis of interest. They were nice refreshers for me:

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ India

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Culture_of_ India

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Languages_ of_India

> > >

> > > There are developed nations that are scratching their heads over how to

deal with and appease 2 cultures and their 2 languages (let us leave the

original native cultures before the euorpeans invaded and took over). They

should look at India which despite its challenges and dare I say some

dysfunctionalities (May God save my soul!) has brilliantly shown how a continent

can more or less peacefully coexist when cramped into a nation, and yet manage

to grow and hopefully one day lead the world again! The world has started paying

attention and has begun to listen to India, once again!

> > >

> > > When one is in the 'thick of the things' one does not realize but from a

distance, the view is often clearer! It is like us watching the Milkyway (our

galaxy) around the sign of Sagittarius! Easier and more effectively done when

sun is in gemini rather than when sun is in dhanu! :-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > > >

> > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right

to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is

funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated.. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand,

evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their

life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide

to them?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers,

Statistics, indices & criterias. 

> > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still

better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold.

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did

just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh

Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But

does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it

indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " ,

but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything

from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

ƒÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a

system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage..till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents...almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which

i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles...dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from time

to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

> <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days associated

with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini Dada,

> > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent fast

is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishnan dada,

> >

> > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted

the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there

being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to

their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> >

> > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> >

> > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> >

> > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control

;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > >

> > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded she

takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind to

" Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not

really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > >

> > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to

vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > >

> > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are

unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis,

a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are

the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It

is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court

to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s?

whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell,

couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce

notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat.. why the

sudden increase?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose

such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they

are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their

life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide

to them?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers

like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters

that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others

too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a lot of

sense.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my business

depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work

for you :-(

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made

me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is

19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold.

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in

the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th

45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the

hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars)

and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of

sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Not if you are from Bengal! Dada is elder brother in 'Bong' tradition!

 

Bhai is simply brother in MP, Bengal, Bihar, UP etc etc but then the

Mumbai-wallahs had to enter and turn both Dada and Bhai into derogatory labels!

:-(

 

My children address me as " Baba " (common Bong address for father) and it was so

nice to hear the other day that a colleague from Eritrea (Africa) and another

from China are also addressed by their children as " Baba! "

 

Of course the 'MA's have it easier ;-) Most mothers are addressed as MA or some

closely sounding form of that, other than Aayi (Mumbai again!) and certain other

cultures!

 

I better get back to the dungeon and start working rather than chatting with you

all!

 

RR

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from time

to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Dada,

> > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent

fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan dada,

> > >

> > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted

the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there

being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to

their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > >

> > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > >

> > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > >

> > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control

;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > > >

> > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right

to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It

is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the

institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose

such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about

their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it

provide to them?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a lot of

sense.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my business

depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye

is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold.

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which

i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

How intresting that Baba means father in so many cultures!

Baba- is what we call our paternal grandfather, or even

great-grandfather( who by the way lived up to a ripe old age of 109).

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Not if you are from Bengal! Dada is elder brother in 'Bong' tradition!

>

> Bhai is simply brother in MP, Bengal, Bihar, UP etc etc but then the

Mumbai-wallahs had to enter and turn both Dada and Bhai into derogatory labels!

:-(

>

> My children address me as " Baba " (common Bong address for father) and it was

so nice to hear the other day that a colleague from Eritrea (Africa) and another

from China are also addressed by their children as " Baba! "

>

> Of course the 'MA's have it easier ;-) Most mothers are addressed as MA or

some closely sounding form of that, other than Aayi (Mumbai again!) and certain

other cultures!

>

> I better get back to the dungeon and start working rather than chatting with

you all!

>

> RR

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from

time to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> > >

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohini Dada,

> > > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent

fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > >

> > > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I

planted the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of

there being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey

to their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > > >

> > > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > > >

> > > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under

control ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of

the world?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering

all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent

and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not

the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage "

(right to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time

but since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This

is why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac

;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of

the world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of

best, and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from

other nationalities!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage,

and divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote

about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with

them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same.

But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to

the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who

pose such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about

their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it

provide to them?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a lot of

sense.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my

business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would

be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold.

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let

the bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of

aprox 19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about

vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a

higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in

7 group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the

rubber hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means

partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes

separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life

partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents

which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say

miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

Today is monday and you should realy be moving away from in front of that mirror

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 7:59:43 AM

Re: Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

 

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

I was enjoing " Avatar " and Three Idiots.The fomer takes us back to Devtas,Asuras

and mysteries,the later on refreshes and regales,how Humans in a seam of Society

tend to act,behave and amuse.It is all the more movies have a roles for us feed

and mainly how Univverse is is never never has same identity.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

 

Sunday, January 10, 2010, 2:23 PM

 

 

 

Dear Rohini ji,

 

I just saw a good movie on star movies : " death during the funeral "

 

a very good melodrama.

 

Not sure whether you get the same movies there.

 

(others: pls excuse me for writing this).

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:18:14 AM

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

 

Dear Lilly,

 

Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not really

fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

 

I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to vote) in

the different countries. You may find it interesting:

 

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

 

Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but since then

things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is why the

seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

 

RR

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

>

>

> Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the world.

After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best, and the

worst of worst are all in it.

>

> Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are unique in

their own way in personal experiences!

>

> In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis, a

complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Getting back to work ;-)

> >

> > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> >

> > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and divorce and

so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older ones (40+)!

> >

> > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are the Indian

sisters?

> >

> > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> >

> > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy

characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you

forgot about it.

> > >

> > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am

saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the

criterias are correct.

> > >

> > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of

planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation.. Sages

or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on

different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of  planets. It

is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give

proper guidence to the natives.

> > >

> > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background,

particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > >

> > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a

divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose

data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples

vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices

are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden

increase?

> > >

> > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the

willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution

of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > >

> > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books

available on the railway station stands?

> > >

> > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on

internet.

> > >

> > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely

inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures

in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > >

> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > Re: when i will get married?

> > >

> > >  

> > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like

siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > >

> > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate

about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > >

> > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been

carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > >

> > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > >

> > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE!

> > >

> > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > >

> > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology

may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > >

> > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show

up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are

almost making a signature ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > >

> > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > >

> > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics,

indices & criterias. 

> > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Suresh jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you

:-(

> > > >

> > > > I hear you!

> > > >

> > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up

straight!

> > > >

> > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity,

negative or positive!

> > > >

> > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed

a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles

and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > >

> > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be

19 billon.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss,

where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation &

cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation

and millions in loss.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't

get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is statistics for you.  

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > >

> > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > >

> > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > >

> > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > >

> > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original

message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates

do the calculations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did

just the opposit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence

of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun

in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But

does it always.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it

indicate?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500

cases.

> > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of

them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of

the public

withÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " ,

but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything

from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

ƒÆ’‚  should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a

system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology

saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status

family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage

category

> > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the

road... " !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th

lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will

be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will

be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal

family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not

good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very

accurate..

> > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived

with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov

2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

Ya, khonk stood there without knowing what was between jhon & jhonk

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 8:04:25 AM

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

 

Dear Shri Dada and Suresh Ji,

Jhon from westren Ghats and jhonk from eastren Ghats has a variety and really an

amusement when a non jhonk as third variety too is part of menu.

Regards to learned men

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:43 PM

 

 

 

Dear Rohini ji,

 

oh! sure. no issues with me.

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:02:48 AM

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

 

HAHA Krishnan jee!

 

Looks like the 'nok-jhonk' between Shenoy je and me is causing you some

discomfort :-)

 

Okay we will stop our nonsense :-)

 

Suresh_jee -- are you listening ;-)

 

RR

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> It is through this subcontinet v have defined what is a Karma yogi.It is only

again attitude and well said a " looking glass " to realise about free will and

act.//It is a rare privilege to observe a karmayogi so closely! When work

becomes worship, something miraculous unfolds! One gets to witness free-will

unfolding.//

> It is for the person to realise abour body signals and wind up things to spend

time through free will and act//That depends on the looking glass. Human body &

mind needs rest like any other machine// ..

> Such issues r good only to advocate for others and not for repartee

purposes. 

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 8:01 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>  

> That is valid observation.

>  

> How you copeup / manage  with the SUN's heat.

>  

> A few years back I was in Orissa, Kalahandi district. One day at about 11am I

started to go out to the nearest Junct. But the locals warned me to take an

Umbrella. Due to my ignorence, I did not care. But After going for just about

10mnts, I had splitting headache and had to take rest for 2 days.

>  

> So, it is better to be carefull about that SUN and precautions.

>  

> There are many cities which comes to life ones the SUN sets.

>  

> About not working on Sunday. That depends on the looking glass. Human body &

mind needs rest like any other machine on one hand and on the other it is better

to have atleast one day for the family. Why jupiter & Venus alone?. why not

mercury, saturn, sun, moon and even Rahu & ketu. What is more beautifull than

that?  

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:52 PM

>

>  

>

> Shenoy_jee,

>

> I have wondered about that! SUN is our micromanager in modern times! For most

of us! We rise with the sun and get ready and go to work and most of us return

to rest around the time when the SUN sets!

>

> And yet nearly the entire world comes to rest on SUNDAY! Shouldn't this be the

very day when we must be most active?

>

> When I lived in India we had a 6+1 week! Saturday was a day of work. Later on

I heard that some of the engineering colleges let their students and faculty off

after noon!

>

> I knew someone who worked 7 days a week! His clerks hated him because he made

them come to work on Sunday, the day of rest in India back in the 50s and 60s.

>

> He often took me with him to his office when I had a day off at school. I

worked in his office for a bit and watched in awe but without understanding how

important he was or his work was. And when I finished my work he used to quiz

me. He was way tougher than most teachers but more knowledgeable and kinder in

some ways! When done, I was sent down to the dungeon (basement) where the ART

department was with so many paints, crayons, and photographic equipment! I feel

privileged that I experienced Jupiter and venus right in the next house from

where I was in that chart -- which I wrote about elsewhere!

>

> It is a rare privilege to observe a karmayogi so closely! When work becomes

worship, something miraculous unfolds! One gets to witness free-will

unfolding... !

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji,

> >  

> > It is sunday here.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 4:56 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Getting back to work ;-)

> >

> > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> >

> > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and divorce and

so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older ones (40+)!

> >

> > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are the Indian

sisters?

> >

> > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> >

> > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy

characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It

is funny that you forgot about it.

> > >

> > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am

saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the

criterias are correct.

> > >

> > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of

planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation.. Sages

or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on

different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer

to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives.

> > >

> > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background,

particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > >

> > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a

divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose

data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples

vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices

are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden

increase?

> > >

> > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the

willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to

the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is

lacking. 

> > >

> > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books

available on the railway station stands?

> > >

> > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose

such questions on internet.

> > >

> > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely

inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their

life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide

to them?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > Re: when i will get married?

> > >

> > >  

> > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like

siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > >

> > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate

about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > >

> > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been

carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > >

> > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > >

> > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE!

> > >

> > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > >

> > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology

may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > >

> > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show

up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are

almost making a signature ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > >

> > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a

lot of sense.

> > > >

> > > > After

allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > Suresh jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you

:-(

> > > >

> > > > I hear you!

> > > >

> > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up

straight!

> > > >

> > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity,

negative or positive!

> > > >

> > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed

a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles

and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > >

> > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss,

where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation &

cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation

and millions in loss.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't

get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > >

> > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > >

> > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > >

> > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > >

> > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > >

> > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original

message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates

do the calculations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\

’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 

> > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence

of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun

in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times

are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical

figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500

cases.

> > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Â\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

’Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢\

€šÃÆ'Æ'ââââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of

them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of

the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have

sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons

who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Ãââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ’Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'Â\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'âÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not

resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\

€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â\

‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology

saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status

family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage

category

> > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the

road... " !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th

lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will

be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will

be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal

family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not

good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very

accurate..

> > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived

with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov

2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear brothers of the sword (YES, sadly Jyotish has become a war-path as Native

American brothers call it!),

 

Having neither seen 3-Idiots (the movie! ...) nor Avatar (the movie again

....;-)), I hope I am not intruding into the conversation that now involves THREE

of us! :-)

 

If you have not, please read a beautiful New Age Novel " The Celestine Prophecy "

by James Redfield!

 

Read it, not as a critic but as a WITNESS!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> Today is monday and you should realy be moving away from in front of that

mirror

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 7:59:43 AM

> Re: Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

>  

> Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

> I was enjoing " Avatar " and Three Idiots.The fomer takes us back to

Devtas,Asuras and mysteries,the later on refreshes and regales,how Humans in a

seam of Society tend to act,behave and amuse.It is all the more movies have a

roles for us feed and mainly how Univverse is is never never has same identity.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 2:23 PM

>

>  

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> I just saw a good movie on star movies : " death during the funeral "

>

> a very good melodrama.

>

> Not sure whether you get the same movies there.

>

> (others: pls excuse me for writing this).

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 12:18:14 AM

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

>  

> Dear Lilly,

>

> Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not really

fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

>

> I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to vote)

in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

>

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

>

> Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but since then

things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is why the

seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the world.

After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best, and the

worst of worst are all in it.

> >

> > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are unique

in their own way in personal experiences!

> >

> > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis, a

complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > >

> > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > >

> > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and divorce

and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older ones (40+)!

> > >

> > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are the

Indian sisters?

> > >

> > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > >

> > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > >

> > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those

noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny

that you forgot about it.

> > > >

> > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am

saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the

criterias are correct.

> > > >

> > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of

planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation.. Sages

or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on

different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of  planets. It

is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give

proper guidence to the natives.

> > > >

> > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background,

particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > >

> > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a

divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose

data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples

vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices

are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden

increase?

> > > >

> > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the

willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution

of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > >

> > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology

books available on the railway station stands?

> > > >

> > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions

on internet.

> > > >

> > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are

truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and

failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > >

> > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like

siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > >

> > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > >

> > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been

carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > >

> > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > >

> > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE!

> > > >

> > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > >

> > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > >

> > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that

show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too!

They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics,

indices & criterias. 

> > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you

:-(

> > > > >

> > > > > I hear you!

> > > > >

> > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit

up straight!

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity,

negative or positive!

> > > > >

> > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle

assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine

their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would

be 19 billon.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss,

where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation &

cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation

and millions in loss.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't

get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates

do the calculations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did

just the opposit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But

does it always.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it

indicate?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500

cases.

> > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of

them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts

of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " ,

but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything

from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

ƒÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a

system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology

saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status

family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through

marriage category

> > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the

road... " !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th

lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will

be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will

be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal

family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not

good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost

very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Eastren side it is " Bhayya " and in Bengal it is Dada uto Ranchi.Bhau is in

Marathi

Nana is grandpa.Not Amitabha's Paaaaa

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:24 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....>

wrote:

>

> Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from time

to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

> <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days associated

with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini Dada,

> > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent fast

is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishnan dada,

> >

> > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted

the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there

being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to

their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> >

> > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> >

> > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> >

> > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control

;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > >

> > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded she

takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind to

" Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not

really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > >

> > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to

vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > >

> > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are

unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis,

a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are

the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live

with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer

to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court

to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s?

whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell,

couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce

notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat.. why the

sudden increase?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold

on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is

lacking. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people

who pose such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they

are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear

about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does

it provide to them?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers

like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very

passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them

astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters

that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others

too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did

madeÃÆ'‚  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work

for you :-(

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made

me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A..G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold..

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the

original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\

’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent

incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage

in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times

are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical

figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Â\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

’Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢\

€šÃÆ'Æ'ââââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in

the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th

45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the

hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have

sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons

who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space

 

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Ãââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ’Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'Â\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'âÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not

resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\

€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â\

‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars)

and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of

sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i

survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sureh Ji,

yeah.In that Mirrok i ommitted k from " Jhonk " .It is a final item that is added

with jeera ,mustard and redchillies with Asoefetids and oil fried to give aroma

and taste to the item / eatable.sorry for mirror effect.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

 

Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:56 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

Today is monday and you should realy be moving away from in front of that mirror

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 7:59:43 AM

Re: Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

 

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

I was enjoing " Avatar " and Three Idiots.The fomer takes us back to Devtas,Asuras

and mysteries,the later on refreshes and regales,how Humans in a seam of Society

tend to act,behave and amuse.It is all the more movies have a roles for us feed

and mainly how Univverse is is never never has same identity.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

 

Sunday, January 10, 2010, 2:23 PM

 

 

 

Dear Rohini ji,

 

I just saw a good movie on star movies : " death during the funeral "

 

a very good melodrama.

 

Not sure whether you get the same movies there.

 

(others: pls excuse me for writing this).

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:18:14 AM

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

 

Dear Lilly,

 

Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have not really

fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

 

I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right to vote) in

the different countries. You may find it interesting:

 

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

 

Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but since then

things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is why the

seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

 

RR

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

>

>

> Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the world.

After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best, and the

worst of worst are all in it.

>

> Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all are unique in

their own way in personal experiences!

>

> In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual basis, a

complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is always

some truth behind stereotypes! !

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Getting back to work ;-)

> >

> > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> >

> > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and divorce and

so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older ones (40+)!

> >

> > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where are the Indian

sisters?

> >

> > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> >

> > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about those noisy

characters, you advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you

forgot about it.

> > >

> > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated. What I am

saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything unless the

criterias are correct.

> > >

> > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or quantification of

planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its evaluation... Sages

or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of laid focus on

different aspects of life when it comes to various positions of  planets. It

is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give

proper guidence to the natives.

> > >

> > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its background,

particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > >

> > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the court to get a

divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to westerners/european s? whose

data could be more in that database. Here, even if the life is hell, couples

vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now - a - days divorce notices

are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a hat. why the sudden

increase?

> > >

> > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But the

willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on to the institution

of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > >

> > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous astrology books

available on the railway station stands?

> > >

> > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who pose such questions on

internet.

> > >

> > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because they are truely

inclined towards it, but out their on own fear about their life and failures

in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > >

> > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > Re: when i will get married?

> > >

> > >  

> > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to numbers like

siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > >

> > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am very passionate

about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > >

> > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has sadly been

carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > >

> > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > >

> > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their BIBLE!

> > >

> > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > >

> > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for them astrology

may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > >

> > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy characters that show

up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some others too! They are

almost making a signature ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > >

> > > > On the contrary, it did made  a lot of sense.

> > > >

> > > > After all  my business depends on Numbers, Statistics,

indices & criterias. 

> > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Suresh jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not work for you

:-(

> > > >

> > > > I hear you!

> > > >

> > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it made me sit up

straight!

> > > >

> > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to nativity,

negative or positive!

> > > >

> > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the Oracle assumed

a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should re-examine their roles

and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > >

> > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > ya, you bull eye is 19K big, still better would be

19 billon.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d into loss,

where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of ppopulation &

cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years into operation

and millions in loss.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold. They don't

get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is statistics for you.  

> > > > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > >

> > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > >

> > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > >

> > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > >

> > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read the original

message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the bill gates

do the calculations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did

just the opposit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the percent incidence

of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the percentage in the sun

in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor by itself)!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But

does it always.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it

indicate?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox 19500

cases.

> > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the 7th 45% of

them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in the hearts of

the public

withÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " ,

but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything

from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

ƒÆ’‚  should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a

system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic astrology

saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher status

family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had divorces.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money through marriage

category

> > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber hits the

road... " !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord (mars) and 11th

lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all of sudden i will

be very prosperous and fame will increse only after marriage..till then i will

be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner from royal

family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and it is not

good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by parents..almost very

accurate..

> > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which i survived

with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates are 23 nov

2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Vattam Anna!

 

I think between the THREE of us (You, me an Suresh) we have managed to confuse

the heck out of this forum of 10000+! Something even the founder could never

manage! Although Tanvir did try ;-)

 

The three IDIOTS in the Kalapurusha Chart are really the 1-5-9! The Aaj (I), Kal

(V) and the Kal (IX).

 

All THREE so brimming with knowledge that 'IX' tries to teach 'I' and 'I' then

tries to download all that to 'V'!

 

Isn't that pretty much " Ghar Ghar Ki Kahani " ? I always loved Balraj jee! But I

digress!

 

Sometimes, once in a while, it becomes possible for the TRINES to MEET! And

TALK!

 

That is the whole purpose of us being born again and again and again! To bring

the TRINES together so that TIME ceases to exist and the equilateral triangle of

Kal-Aaj-Kal gets closer and closer and becomes a POINT! And, then the need to be

reborn vanishes! It is not necessary any longer! For the Aaj has met with the

Kal and Kal!

 

Need to pay attention to the 1-5-9 first and foremost in all charts that cross

our desks!

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Eastren side it is " Bhayya " and in Bengal it is Dada uto Ranchi.Bhau is in

Marathi

> Nana is grandpa.Not Amitabha's Paaaaa

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:24 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from time

to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Dada,

> > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent

fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan dada,

> > >

> > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted

the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there

being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to

their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > >

> > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > >

> > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > >

> > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control

;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > > >

> > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right

to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, youÃÆ'‚ advised to let it go and live

with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

ofÃÆ'‚  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer

to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to faceÃÆ'‚ their onsloughts and hold

on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is

lacking.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on theÃÆ'‚ kind of

people who pose such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their onÃÆ'‚ own

fear about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view "

does it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did

madeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold..

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\

¡ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\

¡ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\

ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times

are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\

…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'\

¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical

figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ\

'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢\

ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\

…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'\

¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have

sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons

who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space

>

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Â\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  should not

resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â\

€¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢\

‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\

Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which

i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Ronini Dada,

Wonderful.A Good suggestion and indeed an AStrological fact.I share fully the

concern alonh with10K+

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:13 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vattam Anna!

 

I think between the THREE of us (You, me an Suresh) we have managed to confuse

the heck out of this forum of 10000+! Something even the founder could never

manage! Although Tanvir did try ;-)

 

The three IDIOTS in the Kalapurusha Chart are really the 1-5-9! The Aaj (I), Kal

(V) and the Kal (IX).

 

All THREE so brimming with knowledge that 'IX' tries to teach 'I' and 'I' then

tries to download all that to 'V'!

 

Isn't that pretty much " Ghar Ghar Ki Kahani " ? I always loved Balraj jee! But I

digress!

 

Sometimes, once in a while, it becomes possible for the TRINES to MEET! And

TALK!

 

That is the whole purpose of us being born again and again and again! To bring

the TRINES together so that TIME ceases to exist and the equilateral triangle of

Kal-Aaj-Kal gets closer and closer and becomes a POINT! And, then the need to be

reborn vanishes! It is not necessary any longer! For the Aaj has met with the

Kal and Kal!

 

Need to pay attention to the 1-5-9 first and foremost in all charts that cross

our desks!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Eastren side it is " Bhayya " and in Bengal it is Dada uto Ranchi.Bhau is in

Marathi

> Nana is grandpa.Not Amitabha's Paaaaa

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:24 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from time

to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Dada,

> > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent

fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan dada,

> > >

> > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted

the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there

being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to

their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > >

> > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > >

> > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > >

> > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control

;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars..

> > > >

> > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right

to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, youÃÆ'‚ advised to

let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

ofÃÆ'‚  planets. It is the responcibility

of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the

natives..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same..

But the willingness of people to

faceÃÆ'‚ their onsloughts and hold on to

the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is

lacking.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on

theÃÆ'‚ kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their

onÃÆ'‚ own fear about their life and

failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A..G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did

madeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÆ\

’‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÆ\

’‚ 

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\

’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold..

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3..1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ\

€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÆ\

’¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ€Å\

¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the

7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÃ\

‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not

correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÃ\

‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃ\

‚¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÃ\

†'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ€\

šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

 

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÃâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢Ã\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\

€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â\

‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\

€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â\

‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ‚\

¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\

…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ\

'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÃ\

†'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÃ\

‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are

decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ\

€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ\

'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÃ\

†'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢Ã\

Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââÃ\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\

¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure

with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'âÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Â\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ€ÅÂ\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒâ€ '…ÃÆ'‚¡Ã\

ƒÆ’Æ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢\

ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'âÃ\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âÃ\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃâ€\

šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ\

€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ\

'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÃ\

†'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢Ã\

Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââÃ\

¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Å\

¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in

the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned

persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space

>

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢âââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚¬Ã\

Æ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÃ\

‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÃ\

‚¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what

could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

 

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââââ‚\

¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã‚ 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ\

¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'\

…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ\

'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÃ\

†'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã‚¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\

‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÃ\

‚¡ÃƒÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÆ’Æ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚ÂÂ\

¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÆ\

’¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Ã\

†'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'â€Â\

¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ‚\

¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which

i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Your Jupiter finger slipped a scale! I am assuming that you are a touch typist?

The dexter Jupiter must managehn Y H and N! ;-)

 

roHiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Ronini Dada,

> Wonderful.A Good suggestion and indeed an AStrological fact.I share fully the

concern alonh with10K+

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:13 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Vattam Anna!

>

> I think between the THREE of us (You, me an Suresh) we have managed to confuse

the heck out of this forum of 10000+! Something even the founder could never

manage! Although Tanvir did try ;-)

>

> The three IDIOTS in the Kalapurusha Chart are really the 1-5-9! The Aaj (I),

Kal (V) and the Kal (IX).

>

> All THREE so brimming with knowledge that 'IX' tries to teach 'I' and 'I' then

tries to download all that to 'V'!

>

> Isn't that pretty much " Ghar Ghar Ki Kahani " ? I always loved Balraj jee! But I

digress!

>

> Sometimes, once in a while, it becomes possible for the TRINES to MEET! And

TALK!

>

> That is the whole purpose of us being born again and again and again! To bring

the TRINES together so that TIME ceases to exist and the equilateral triangle of

Kal-Aaj-Kal gets closer and closer and becomes a POINT! And, then the need to be

reborn vanishes! It is not necessary any longer! For the Aaj has met with the

Kal and Kal!

>

> Need to pay attention to the 1-5-9 first and foremost in all charts that cross

our desks!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > Eastren side it is " Bhayya " and in Bengal it is Dada uto Ranchi.Bhau is in

Marathi

> > Nana is grandpa.Not Amitabha's Paaaaa

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:24 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from

time to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> > >

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohini Dada,

> > > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent

fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > >

> > > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I

planted the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of

there being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey

to their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > > >

> > > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > > >

> > > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under

control ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of

the world?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering

all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars..

> > > > >

> > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent

and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not

the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage "

(right to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time

but since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This

is why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac

;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of

the world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of

best, and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from

other nationalities!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage,

and divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote

about those noisy characters,

youÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ advised to let it go and live with

them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  planets. It is the responcibility

of a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the

natives..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same..

But the willingness of people to

faceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ their onsloughts and hold on to

the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is

lacking.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on

theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their

onÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ own fear about their life and

failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did

madeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚  a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\

'‚ my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\

'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being

sold.. They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let

the bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3..1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ\

€šÃ‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ\

'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ\

'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ€Å\

¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ divorced with sun in the

7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Â\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ convey, but was not

correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'Â\

¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Â\

¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Ã\

†'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢Ã\

Æ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ€\

šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these things shall

>

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

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¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are

decieving, which is well known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢âââ\

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¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure

with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of

aprox 19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ÃÂ\

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ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public

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¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in

the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the contrary learned

> persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows to space

> >

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'ÂÂ\

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‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what

could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

>

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‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about

vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a

higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in

7 group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the

rubber hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means

partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes

separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life

partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents

which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say

miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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removed]

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[Guest guest]

Sir RR ji,

I just love your syntax.

it takes some time to understand your post and digest but it surely nourishes

the brain, mind and soul.

 

 

 

Respect and Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:43 am

Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the world?

 

 

 

 

 

Vattam Anna!

 

I think between the THREE of us (You, me an Suresh) we have managed to confuse

the heck out of this forum of 10000+! Something even the founder could never

manage! Although Tanvir did try ;-)

 

The three IDIOTS in the Kalapurusha Chart are really the 1-5-9! The Aaj (I), Kal

(V) and the Kal (IX).

 

All THREE so brimming with knowledge that 'IX' tries to teach 'I' and 'I' then

tries to download all that to 'V'!

 

Isn't that pretty much " Ghar Ghar Ki Kahani " ? I always loved Balraj jee! But I

digress!

 

Sometimes, once in a while, it becomes possible for the TRINES to MEET! And

TALK!

 

That is the whole purpose of us being born again and again and again! To bring

the TRINES together so that TIME ceases to exist and the equilateral triangle of

Kal-Aaj-Kal gets closer and closer and becomes a POINT! And, then the need to be

reborn vanishes! It is not necessary any longer! For the Aaj has met with the

Kal and Kal!

 

Need to pay attention to the 1-5-9 first and foremost in all charts that cross

our desks!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Eastren side it is " Bhayya " and in Bengal it is Dada uto Ranchi.Bhau is in

Marathi

> Nana is grandpa.Not Amitabha's Paaaaa

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:24 PM

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

>

> Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from time

to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Dada,

> > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent

fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > ÂÂ

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > ÂÂ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan dada,

> > >

> > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I planted

the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of there

being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey to

their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > >

> > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > >

> > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > >

> > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under control

;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂÂÂ

 Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÂÂÂ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering all

the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > > >

> > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent and

nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not the

devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage " (right

to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time but

since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This is

why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of the

world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of best,

and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from other

nationalities!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage, and

divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote about

those noisy characters, youÃÆ'‚ advised to

let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being circulated.

What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not prove anything

unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

ofÃÆ'‚ planets. It is the responcibility of

a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the

natives..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same. But

the willingness of people to faceÃÆ'‚ their

onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred

is lacking.ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on

theÃÆ'‚ kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their

onÃÆ'‚ own fear about their life and

failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did

madeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚ a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚Â my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÃÆ\

’‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚Â A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÃ\

‚Â

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Ãâ€\

 '‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ eye

is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being sold..

They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Ãâ€\

 '‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Ãâ€\

 '‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let the

bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

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divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried toÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

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convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

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anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

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A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€ÅÂ\

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

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statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it

always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

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presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of aprox

19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€

'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢Ã\

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1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

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statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the

contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows

to space

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should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

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equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€Â

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about vedic

astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a higher

status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in 7

group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the rubber

hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rajinder "

<rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means partner

from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes separtion and

it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents which

i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say miracles..dates

are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately RR_Ji, I don't have any of those great yoga's(or any yoga) you

mentioned in my chart:-(

 

I guess it takes one to know one right!

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Yes we human beings are a confused mess when we focus on the 'labels' and

remain stuck with and at those, Lilly.

>

> Labels such as Mahapurusha yoga, Kalasarpa yoga, and once you take up

astrology seriously, you will run into many more that hopefully you would have

the gumption to see through and to lay the ones aside which do not work as

prescribed!

>

> Prepare to shed tears for the time lost, but keep WALKING and you shall be

OKAY!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > How intresting that Baba means father in so many cultures!

> > Baba- is what we call our paternal grandfather, or even

> > great-grandfather( who by the way lived up to a ripe old age of 109).

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Not if you are from Bengal! Dada is elder brother in 'Bong' tradition!

> > >

> > > Bhai is simply brother in MP, Bengal, Bihar, UP etc etc but then the

Mumbai-wallahs had to enter and turn both Dada and Bhai into derogatory labels!

:-(

> > >

> > > My children address me as " Baba " (common Bong address for father) and it

was so nice to hear the other day that a colleague from Eritrea (Africa) and

another from China are also addressed by their children as " Baba! "

> > >

> > > Of course the 'MA's have it easier ;-) Most mothers are addressed as MA or

some closely sounding form of that, other than Aayi (Mumbai again!) and certain

other cultures!

> > >

> > > I better get back to the dungeon and start working rather than chatting

with you all!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi

(bihari)?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too

from time to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and

soul healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini Dada,

> > > > > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and

intermittent fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy

Jatharagni is to be understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot

sun and cold full moon winter darkness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of

the world?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I

planted the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of

there being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey

to their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under

control ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to

conjecture

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest

of the world?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the

status of women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot

covering all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon &

stars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet,

benevolent and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and

degraded she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be

kind to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like

global warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and

not the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations)

have not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage "

(right to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one

time but since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too.

This is why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal

zodiac ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest

of the world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of

best, and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but

all are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an

individual basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although

there is always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from

other nationalities!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view

marriage, and divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally

the older ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic!

Where are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote

about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live with

them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to

the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be

same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on

to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about

numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people who

pose such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not

because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear

about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does

it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I

am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that

has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as

their BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and

for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a lot

of sense.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my

business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did

not work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral,

it made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens

to nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi,

the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle

SQL!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would

be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged

Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of

Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they

realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being

sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you

read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and

let the bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of

aprox 19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with

sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in

the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic

in the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about

vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a

higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the

Money through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun

in 7 group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the

rubber hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont

know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means

partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes

separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life

partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents

which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say

miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no

remedy

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[Guest guest]

Thanks! I know, I am the 'DON' of run-on sentences :-(

 

, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote:

>

>

> Sir RR ji,

> I just love your syntax.

> it takes some time to understand your post and digest but it surely nourishes

the brain, mind and soul.

>

>

>

> Respect and Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:43 am

> Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

>

>

>

>

>

> Vattam Anna!

>

> I think between the THREE of us (You, me an Suresh) we have managed to confuse

the heck out of this forum of 10000+! Something even the founder could never

manage! Although Tanvir did try ;-)

>

> The three IDIOTS in the Kalapurusha Chart are really the 1-5-9! The Aaj (I),

Kal (V) and the Kal (IX).

>

> All THREE so brimming with knowledge that 'IX' tries to teach 'I' and 'I' then

tries to download all that to 'V'!

>

> Isn't that pretty much " Ghar Ghar Ki Kahani " ? I always loved Balraj jee! But I

digress!

>

> Sometimes, once in a while, it becomes possible for the TRINES to MEET! And

TALK!

>

> That is the whole purpose of us being born again and again and again! To bring

the TRINES together so that TIME ceases to exist and the equilateral triangle of

Kal-Aaj-Kal gets closer and closer and becomes a POINT! And, then the need to be

reborn vanishes! It is not necessary any longer! For the Aaj has met with the

Kal and Kal!

>

> Need to pay attention to the 1-5-9 first and foremost in all charts that cross

our desks!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > Eastren side it is " Bhayya " and in Bengal it is Dada uto Ranchi.Bhau is in

Marathi

> > Nana is grandpa.Not Amitabha's Paaaaa

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Â

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> >

> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:24 PM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi (bihari)?

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too from

time to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and soul

healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> > >

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohini Dada,

> > > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and intermittent

fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy Jatharagni is to be

understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot sun and cold full

moon winter darkness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of the

world?

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > >

> > > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I

planted the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of

there being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey

to their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > > >

> > > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > > >

> > > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > > >

> > > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under

control ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to conjecture

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest of

the world?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the status of

women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot covering

all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon & stars.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet, benevolent

and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and degraded

she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but be kind

to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like global

warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and not

the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations) have

not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage "

(right to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one time

but since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too. This

is why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal zodiac

;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the rest of

the world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The best of

best, and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs), but all

are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an individual

basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although there is

always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different from

other nationalities!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view marriage,

and divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally the older

ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic! Where

are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i wrote

about those noisy characters, youÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

advised to let it go and live with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ planets. It is the responcibility of

a serious astrologer to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the

natives..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to the

court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be same.

But the willingness of people to faceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

their onsloughts and hold on to the institution of marriage, considered to be

sacred is lacking.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about numerous

astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on

theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ kind of people who pose such

questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not because

they are truely inclined towards it, but out their

onÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ own fear about their life and

failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ A.G.Suresh Babu

Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect to

numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which I am

very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality that has

sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as their

BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and for

them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did

madeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚Â my business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ\

'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚Â A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚Â

> > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did not

work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is amoral, it

made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what happens to

nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of Delphi, the

Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles should

re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you bullÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye

is 19K big, still better would be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged Tataindicombroadban d

into loss, where they computed their penetration of Internet on the basis of

ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they realised after 5 years

into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being

sold.. They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you. ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after you read

the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu..A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and let

the bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

'â€

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 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly, doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

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'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ these

things shall helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

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'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that the

percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\

Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ &

statistics many a times are decieving, which is well known fact. But does it

always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\

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¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

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'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database of

aprox 19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\

Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\

¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ\

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'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Ãâ€\

 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ =

1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases with sun

in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun in the

7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a panic in

the hearts of the public withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\

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 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will have divorce " , but on the

contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing on anything from dog shows

to space

> > technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

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 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

should not resort to what could be construed as mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\

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equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â€Â

'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â€

'ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'\

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¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'Æ'Ã\

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 'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting about

vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming from a

higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the Money

through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the sun in

7 group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When the

rubber hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th lord

(mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and all

of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means

partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes

separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life

partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major accidents

which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say

miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

How did your chart become central in our discussion! The yogas etc were what one

would run into if and when beginning to learn astrology! I hope I did not give

you the mistaken impression that I was talking about your chart! :-)

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Unfortunately RR_Ji, I don't have any of those great yoga's(or any yoga) you

mentioned in my chart:-(

>

> I guess it takes one to know one right!

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Yes we human beings are a confused mess when we focus on the 'labels' and

remain stuck with and at those, Lilly.

> >

> > Labels such as Mahapurusha yoga, Kalasarpa yoga, and once you take up

astrology seriously, you will run into many more that hopefully you would have

the gumption to see through and to lay the ones aside which do not work as

prescribed!

> >

> > Prepare to shed tears for the time lost, but keep WALKING and you shall be

OKAY!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > How intresting that Baba means father in so many cultures!

> > > Baba- is what we call our paternal grandfather, or even

> > > great-grandfather( who by the way lived up to a ripe old age of 109).

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Not if you are from Bengal! Dada is elder brother in 'Bong' tradition!

> > > >

> > > > Bhai is simply brother in MP, Bengal, Bihar, UP etc etc but then the

Mumbai-wallahs had to enter and turn both Dada and Bhai into derogatory labels!

:-(

> > > >

> > > > My children address me as " Baba " (common Bong address for father) and it

was so nice to hear the other day that a colleague from Eritrea (Africa) and

another from China are also addressed by their children as " Baba! "

> > > >

> > > > Of course the 'MA's have it easier ;-) Most mothers are addressed as MA

or some closely sounding form of that, other than Aayi (Mumbai again!) and

certain other cultures!

> > > >

> > > > I better get back to the dungeon and start working rather than chatting

with you all!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi

(bihari)?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too

from time to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and

soul healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohini Dada,

> > > > > > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and

intermittent fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy

Jatharagni is to be understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot

sun and cold full moon winter darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the rest

of the world?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when I

planted the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of

there being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey

to their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies under

control ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to

conjecture

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the

rest of the world?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the

status of women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot

covering all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon &

stars.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet,

benevolent and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and

degraded she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but

be kind to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like

global warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI " and

not the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed nations)

have not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about " suffrage "

(right to vote) in the different countries. You may find it interesting:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one

time but since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too.

This is why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal

zodiac ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the

rest of the world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The

best of best, and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs),

but all are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an

individual basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although

there is always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different

from other nationalities!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view

marriage, and divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally

the older ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather archaic!

Where are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i

wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live

with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics or

quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in its

evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion of

laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is its

background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go to

the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be

same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on

to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about

numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people

who pose such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not

because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear

about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does

it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us connect

to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish which

I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality

that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as

their BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion and

for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a

lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > After allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my

business depends on Numbers, Statistics, indices &

criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations did

not work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is

amoral, it made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what

happens to nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of

Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles

should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or Oracle

SQL!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would

be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged

Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of

Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they

realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are being

sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in

7.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye'

;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after

you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet and

let the bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database " &

" 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that

the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Suresh Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a database

of aprox 19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) = 615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases

with sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with sun

in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a

panic in the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting

about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming

from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had

divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group had

divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the

Money through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the

sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When

the rubber hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont

know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th

lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and

all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house means

partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes

separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life

partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major

accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say

miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no

remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

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> > > > > > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the

status of women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > > > > > Just look at hindu or even western mythology in a snapshot

covering all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon &

stars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet,

benevolent and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and

degraded she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali..,

> > > > > > > > > to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but

be kind to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like

global warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI "

and not the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for clearing that brother!

I guess I am one of those people who learns much better when charts, yogas, and

other theories gets applied to actual people(self, and others included). As the

saying goes " proof is in the pudding, and actually testing it! "

 

Lilly

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> How did your chart become central in our discussion! The yogas etc were what

one would run into if and when beginning to learn astrology! I hope I did not

give you the mistaken impression that I was talking about your chart! :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Unfortunately RR_Ji, I don't have any of those great yoga's(or any yoga) you

mentioned in my chart:-(

> >

> > I guess it takes one to know one right!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes we human beings are a confused mess when we focus on the 'labels' and

remain stuck with and at those, Lilly.

> > >

> > > Labels such as Mahapurusha yoga, Kalasarpa yoga, and once you take up

astrology seriously, you will run into many more that hopefully you would have

the gumption to see through and to lay the ones aside which do not work as

prescribed!

> > >

> > > Prepare to shed tears for the time lost, but keep WALKING and you shall be

OKAY!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > How intresting that Baba means father in so many cultures!

> > > > Baba- is what we call our paternal grandfather, or even

> > > > great-grandfather( who by the way lived up to a ripe old age of 109).

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Not if you are from Bengal! Dada is elder brother in 'Bong' tradition!

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhai is simply brother in MP, Bengal, Bihar, UP etc etc but then the

Mumbai-wallahs had to enter and turn both Dada and Bhai into derogatory labels!

:-(

> > > > >

> > > > > My children address me as " Baba " (common Bong address for father) and

it was so nice to hear the other day that a colleague from Eritrea (Africa) and

another from China are also addressed by their children as " Baba! "

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course the 'MA's have it easier ;-) Most mothers are addressed as

MA or some closely sounding form of that, other than Aayi (Mumbai again!) and

certain other cultures!

> > > > >

> > > > > I better get back to the dungeon and start working rather than

chatting with you all!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi

(bihari)?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away' too

from time to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind and

soul healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these days

associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini Dada,

> > > > > > > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and

intermittent fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy

Jatharagni is to be understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot

sun and cold full moon winter darkness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the

rest of the world?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best when

I planted the information that I thought would be important but leave a hint of

there being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could fall prey

to their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too

;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies

under control ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to

conjecture

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the

rest of the world?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the

status of women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > > > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot

covering all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon &

stars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet,

benevolent and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and

degraded she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute, but

be kind to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways like

global warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI "

and not the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed

nations) have not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about

" suffrage " (right to vote) in the different countries. You may find it

interesting:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at one

time but since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved too.

This is why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal

zodiac ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the

rest of the world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The

best of best, and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants & needs),

but all are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an

individual basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although

there is always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different

from other nationalities!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view

marriage, and divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally

the older ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather

archaic! Where are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i

wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live

with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on statistics

or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small index in

its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different opinion

of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various positions

of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer to

understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is

its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go

to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would be

same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold on

to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about

numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of people

who pose such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not

because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear

about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does

it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us

connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish

which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality

that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS as

their BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion

and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those noisy

characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings of some

others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚  a

lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my business depends on Numbers,

Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations

did not work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is

amoral, it made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what

happens to nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of

Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles

should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or

Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would

be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged

Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of

Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they

realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are

being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun in

7.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's Eye'

;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again after

you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet

and let the bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large database "

& " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no

of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply that

the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as the

percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant factor

by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Suresh Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a

database of aprox 19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) =

615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce cases

with sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with

sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a

panic in the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting

about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming

from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had

divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group

had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in the

Money through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in the

sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying, " When

the rubber hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour

format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not --dont

know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between 7th

lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage and

all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house

means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes

separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my life

partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded by

parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major

accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say

miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept

2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no

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> > > > > > > > > > Just look at hindu or even western mythology in a snapshot

covering all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon &

stars.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet,

benevolent and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > > > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and

degraded she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > > > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali..,

> > > > > > > > > > to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > > > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute,

but be kind to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways

like global warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI "

and not the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

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Clichés come clichés go! We must first begin at the beginning and gather the

right ingredients and follow a recipe! Or pudding may end up with dahi (yogurt)

or paneer! Both very nourishing and edible, but that was not what we set about

to prepare ;-)

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Thanks for clearing that brother!

> I guess I am one of those people who learns much better when charts, yogas,

and other theories gets applied to actual people(self, and others included). As

the saying goes " proof is in the pudding, and actually testing it! "

>

> Lilly

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > How did your chart become central in our discussion! The yogas etc were what

one would run into if and when beginning to learn astrology! I hope I did not

give you the mistaken impression that I was talking about your chart! :-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Unfortunately RR_Ji, I don't have any of those great yoga's(or any yoga)

you mentioned in my chart:-(

> > >

> > > I guess it takes one to know one right!

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes we human beings are a confused mess when we focus on the 'labels'

and remain stuck with and at those, Lilly.

> > > >

> > > > Labels such as Mahapurusha yoga, Kalasarpa yoga, and once you take up

astrology seriously, you will run into many more that hopefully you would have

the gumption to see through and to lay the ones aside which do not work as

prescribed!

> > > >

> > > > Prepare to shed tears for the time lost, but keep WALKING and you shall

be OKAY!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > How intresting that Baba means father in so many cultures!

> > > > > Baba- is what we call our paternal grandfather, or even

> > > > > great-grandfather( who by the way lived up to a ripe old age of 109).

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not if you are from Bengal! Dada is elder brother in 'Bong'

tradition!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhai is simply brother in MP, Bengal, Bihar, UP etc etc but then the

Mumbai-wallahs had to enter and turn both Dada and Bhai into derogatory labels!

:-(

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My children address me as " Baba " (common Bong address for father)

and it was so nice to hear the other day that a colleague from Eritrea (Africa)

and another from China are also addressed by their children as " Baba! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course the 'MA's have it easier ;-) Most mothers are addressed as

MA or some closely sounding form of that, other than Aayi (Mumbai again!) and

certain other cultures!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I better get back to the dungeon and start working rather than

chatting with you all!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Doesn't Dada means Grandpa, and Bhai means elder brother in hindi

(bihari)?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also, walking! Lot of walking and that includes 'walking away'

too from time to time. I do a lot of those exercises and it keeps the body, mind

and soul healthy, as hopefully I have demonstrated many-a-times! ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > <neither a Dada nor a BHAI -- both are derogatory terms these

days associated with Gundaas and organized criminals!>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini Dada,

> > > > > > > > > It is true enlarging bellies gets into " vicious cycle " and

intermittent fast is good that may try to bring in some balance.Atleasy

Jatharagni is to be understood properly so that v live in balance to avoid hot

sun and cold full moon winter darkness.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the

rest of the world?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:52 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When I was teaching, I found that my students learned best

when I planted the information that I thought would be important but leave a

hint of there being doors and windows closed so that the little kittens could

fall prey to their inherent curiosity and EXPLORE! :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Spoon-feeding only leads to mental obesity!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That is why I recommend FASTING for everyone! Astrologers too

;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If for no other reason than to keep those enlarging bellies

under control ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is always to expand and expalin than leaving things to

conjecture

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Are Indians really that different from the

rest of the world?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include the

status of women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > > > > > > Just look at hindu, or even western mythology in a snapshot

covering all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon &

stars.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet,

benevolent and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > > > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted, and

degraded she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > > > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali.., to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > > > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute,

but be kind to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways

like global warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR SHANGHARINI "

and not the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, in general, women (even in so called developed

nations) have not really fared so well, other than in the past few decades.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I read an interesting article the other day about

" suffrage " (right to vote) in the different countries. You may find it

interesting:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Women's_suffrage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Stereotypes are like ayanamshas! They were accurate at

one time but since then things have moved, societies and attitudes have moved

too. This is why the seasonal first point of aries does not work in the sidereal

zodiac ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Indians are as diverse just within the country, as the

rest of the world. After all India- is where the seeds and roots began!! The

best of best, and the worst of worst are all in it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Women are essentially all the same(basic wants &

needs), but all are unique in their own way in personal experiences!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion it is better to judge a person on an

individual basis, a complete totality rather then fall for stereotypes. Although

there is always some truth behind stereotypes! !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting back to work ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think Indians really are all that different

from other nationalities!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is sad that when we hear about how indians view

marriage, and divorce and so on, we mostly hear from Indian males, and generally

the older ones (40+)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sadly, I would call this a biased view, rather

archaic! Where are the Indian sisters?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely they have an opinion or two!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us hear from the silent majority!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could not help laughing.. Some time back, when i

wrote about those noisy characters, you advised to let it go and live

with them. It is funny that you forgot about it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you wrote is very true about such myths being

circulated. What I am saying is only this, these statistical figures do not

prove anything unless the criterias are correct.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrological analysis does not depend on

statistics or quantification of planatory influence. They could only be a small

index in its evaluation. Sages or acharyas many a times have provided different

opinion of laid focus on different aspects of life when it comes to various

positions of  planets. It is the responcibility of a serious astrologer

to understand, evaluate and give proper guidence to the natives..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as the said database is concerned, what is

its background, particularly the culture of people whose details are included.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upto 20 years back, how many of Indians used to go

to the court to get a divorce even in extreme conditions? compared to

westerners/european s? whose data could be more in that database. Here, even if

the life is hell, couples vary rarely used to go for divorce. In contrast, now -

a - days divorce notices are given within 6 months of marriage at the drop of a

hat.. why the sudden increase?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The effect of planets 20 years back and now would

be same. But the willingness of people to face their onsloughts and hold

on to the institution of marriage, considered to be sacred is lacking. 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And don't blame the astrologers alone. What about

numerous astrology books available on the railway station stands?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just take a statistics on the kind of

people who pose such questions on internet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90% percent of them started to learn astrology not

because they are truely inclined towards it, but out their on own fear

about their life and failures in their lives. What kind of " field of view " does

it provide to them?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 3:01:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy to hear Shenoy jee that both of us

connect to numbers like siblings, without rivalry ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never held back when it comes to jyotish

which I am very passionate about, though I am a rather placid person otherwise!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I simply do not believe in this ONE FACTOR reality

that has sadly been carelessly encouraged by the modern jyotish community!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in 7 will cause divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8 will give long life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in 5 will be bad for children

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 12,1,2,4,7,8 is BAD for daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in fifth even sign will give daughters

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And these very people then begin pointing to BPHS

as their BIBLE!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, it gives me the cosmic RASH!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I realize that others may not share my passion

and for them astrology may just be a hobby or whatever!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you should really get rid of those

noisy characters that show up in your emails and I have seen those in postings

of some others too! They are almost making a signature ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh

Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, it did madeÃÆ'‚ 

a lot of sense.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After

allÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ my business depends on Numbers,

Statistics, indices & criterias.ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A..G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 2:25:55 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry to hear that numbers and calculations

did not work for you :-(

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear you!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Charles first mentioned that Astrology is

amoral, it made me sit up straight!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, so it is! Astrology does not care what

happens to nativity, negative or positive!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ancient times in the days of the Oracle of

Delphi, the Oracle assumed a role that was Divine. Perhaps the modern oracles

should re-examine their roles and what they are expected to be or perform as!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if their livelihood depends on excel or

Oracle SQL!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya, you

bullÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ eye is 19K big, still better would

be 19 billon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is same perception that plunged

Tataindicombroadban d into loss, where they computed their penetration of

Internet on the basis of ppopulation & cable tv connection. Absolute truth they

realised after 5 years into operation and millions in loss.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same city, atleast 2000 computers are

being sold. They don't get even 10% of the connections.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is statistics for you.

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:59:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh_jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there were two groups!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " population " and the 'sample'

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The population was 19K+

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was was the subpopulation with sun

in 7.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the original message calmly :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sample was the 'group with sun in 7'!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think what I posted just hit the 'Bull's

Eye' ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! And bring out the calculator again

after you read the original message and understand what was being conveyed ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh! I just put the figures on an exel sheet

and let the bill gates do the calculations.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try it yourself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you infer from it is upto you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether you want to compare a " Large

database " & " 3.1586% "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a " no of cases with sun in the 7th " & " no

of

casesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ divorced with sun in the 7th "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do understood what you tried

toÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 convey, but was not correct. It did just the opposit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But frankly,

doÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚\

 you

think,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ these things shall

helpÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

šÃ‚ anyone?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 5:13:53 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\

‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your calculation does not seem right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point that was being made was simply

that the percent incidence of divorces in the full set of charts was the same as

the percentage in the sun in 7 charts (hence sun in 7 was not a significant

factor by itself)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Suresh Babu.A..G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

NosÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚  & statistics many a times are decieving, which is well

known fact. But does it always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

haveÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ presented a statistical figure with good intentions. But

what does it indicate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that you have checked from a

database of aprox 19500 cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That converted to figures:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cases with sun in the 7th house

(6.997%)ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂÂÂ\

¬ÃƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'âââ\

€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ = 1364

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divorce cases with sun in 7th (3.1586%) =

615

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a whoping 45.1422% of divorce

cases with sun in the 7th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple words out of all the cases with

sun in the 7th 45% of them had divorce. Need I say more?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers need not & should not create a

panic in the hearts of the public

withÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\

'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\

Å¡ÃÆ'‚ statements like " you have sun in the 7th so you will

have divorce " , but on the contrary learned persons who have a flair for writing

on anything from dog shows to space

technologiesÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÃâ€\

šÃ‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚  should not resort to what could be construed as

mockery of a system. Both

areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'‚ equaly dangerous.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, January 10, 2010 12:10:07 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\

ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just addressing the point in your posting

about vedic astrology saying that sun in 7 indicates divorce or spouse coming

from a higher status family. I had looked this up earlier on a separate issue:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a relatively large database

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.997% charts had sun in 7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.2006% individuals in the database had

divorce

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1586% individuals in the sun in 7 group

had divorces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.4708% persons in the database fell in

the Money through marriage category

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0.5743% persons fell in this category in

the sun in 7 group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what they mean by the saying,

" When the rubber hits the road... " !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rajinder " <rajindersingh23@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) Date of Birth - 23 april 1980

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) Time of Birth - 20:10 pm (24 hour

format)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) Daylight saving aplicable or not

--dont know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) Place of Birth -- moga, punjab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e) query - when i will get married?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is maha parivartan yoga between

7th lord (mars) and 11th lord( sun) which says i will be benfitted from marriage

and all of sudden i will be very prosperous and fame will increse only after

marriage...till then i will be doing struggle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology says sun in 7th house

means partner from royal family or family of higher placed peoples..sun causes

separtion and it is not good for material progress.... .is it be so?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please tell me about the nature of my

life partner?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f) Source of time of birth--- recoreded

by parents..almost very accurate..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > g) Some important events --two major

accidents which i survived with gods grace with no or little injury...u can say

miracles..dates are 23 nov 2006 and 23 sept 2009

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Loss of job 9 april 2008..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > joing of jobs 9 april 2008 and 19 sept

2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > h) Any previous history of remedies --no

remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance

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> > > > > > > > > > > When I said India being diverse, I also meant to include

the status of women( one extreme to the other)!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Just look at hindu or even western mythology in a snapshot

covering all the devi, devta, daitya, and everything else between the moon &

stars.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When Jagdama MA (world mother)is respected she is sweet,

benevolent and nurtures and protects all her children.

> > > > > > > > > > > That same MA when taken for granted is abused, polluted,

and degraded she takes on her RUDRA( fierce) form as " MAHA KALI " aka

> > > > > > > > > > > Kali Kalcutta Wali..,

> > > > > > > > > > > to teach us children a great lesson.

> > > > > > > > > > > Environmentalist, also says the same thing- don't pollute,

but be kind to " Mother Nature " or else she will take her revenge in many ways

like global warming, natural disaster like flood, earthquake, famine etc..

> > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason why DEVI'S are know as " ASUR

SHANGHARINI " and not the devta(male gods)..So lets tame the beast in all of us..

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