System of Birth time rectification-KP System

[Guest guest]

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification:In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

 

There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

 

I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100% accurate in

all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as well. In

fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They are all

pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That is

prime difficulty.

 

After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take two

most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The results

offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun rise/set

is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real problem

however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares & panchangas,

each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each claiming to be

perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to create the

confusion even more deeper.

 

That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

 

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

I have already stated the Kunda Kriya.

 

There is another Supplementary method for cross checking.

 

This depends on the Bhootodaya at the time of birth.

 

We already know that one yama is 90 minutes. Each of these yama are further

divided as

 

Prithvee 0:06:00

Jalam 0:12:00

Agni 0:18:00

Vaayu 0:24:00

Aakasam 0:30:00

 

After this It repeats in reverse

Aakasam

Vaayu

Agni

Jalam

Prithvee

 

And the cycle gets repeated throughout the day.

 

 

Out of the above 5 pancha boothas, Jalam & Vaayu are females while others are

males. It is supposed that birth of females or males happen in their respective

bhootas.

 

These timmings can also further divided just like we compute the antardasa,

chidra etc.

 

As per varaha Mihira, the sequence is same for all week days.

 

However there is also another method, which has a different sequence for each

day of the week and similarly it further splitups.

 

These methods could be used in conjuction with kunda kriya or even kp method for

further confirmation.

 

There is also another method to check the Lagna, Nakshtra 

 

The Ghatis (Nazhika) is multiplied by 6 and the date of birth (only date) is

added to result and divided by the 30. The integer value (plus one if there is

balance) is the lagna and the above expunged by 30 gives the lagna sputa in that

sign.

 

 

The Ghatis is converted to vighatis. The moon position from Aries is added to

this number. Multipy this with 4 and divide by 27. the remainder indicates the

birth star counted from Aswini - if the birth is Shukla paksha & from dhanishta

if the birth is in Krishna paksha. This could also be 10 or 19

(janma-anujanma taras) or in the trikona rasis.

 

 

We can use several such methods to cross check the results. This is apart from

other much elaborate methods that depends on the Dasa / anthara /chidra, life

events, Navamsa/dwadasamsa indications that points to various factors such as

profession, complexion, general builtup, moles, signs on the body etc.

 

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

[Guest guest]

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji and others,

In jyotish we consider the first thing is :

a)to have data of the person

b)to have problem of  the person seeking advice

c)Astrologer willing to analyse as per basic procedures and as per classicals.

For any thing to initaite if these pre requirements r satisfied,now the

AStrologer has to prepare a chart after checking the information before him by

all means and as per his understanding of the sastras and forecast.

In our theoritical background there are certain do's and dont's and also the way

we deal vedic astrology.

Iam not tuning my approach as per Internet based methodology based on some body

posing some question and an astrologer asking " n " number of questions or the

querrant asking to correct the time of birth as per some events does not find to

be a proper approach. 

In fact I have also some awreness of KAS system where lot of propositions are

for timing an event.

One thing Iam quite clear is AStrologer is not sitting on the seat of judgement

or dicate some body's future.

True what you said and more from internet point of view of//The real problem

however is the Sun rise/set time //

Possible that some body has an issue lookinf for astrological counselling but

has no data to present://The native should always present only the recorded time

and not the corrected time//

It is for Astrologer to find the probelm in a chart based on Hora and

analyse.otherwise based on the nakshtra or based on surya lagna.These issues are

better left to AStrologer to understand,able to analyse and guide.

Finally about confusions as AStrologer like Doctors too may not give identical

advice and thought and also the peson asking might not present problem in the

same way.No wonder the dates or suggestion do differ.It is not 'coz basic

AStrology lacks consistency,it is only AStrologer who analyses has his won

ways.So there is no point in making hue and cry of Jyotish.

I cited KP AStrology as recently a known brought a chart made by KP Astrologer

after correcting the TOB and requested me to sse.

Based on the data given by him and his problem of losses in business and his

abrupt ending of career in US along with his involvement in a fraud etc.

I made a chart as per details given by hil and the problem with reference to the

time and dasa and find large variance in analysis.I could not help nor could

base my study on the basis of corrected date of birth.Such issues often one has

to experience and may find to be://You have brought up a highly controvercial

subject//

If two people have no faith between them in the matters relating jyotish,there

is no real meaning in hunting for astrologer for resressal of problem.

...

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:22 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

 

There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

 

I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100% accurate in

all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as well. In

fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They are all

pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That is

prime difficulty.

 

After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take two

most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The results

offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun rise/set

is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real problem

however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares & panchangas,

each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each claiming to be

perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to create the

confusion even more deeper.

 

That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

very interesting concepts and people should be able to find reliability in our

approaches and forecasts.Not necessaty two AStrologer will have same king of

understanding and analysis.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

I have already stated the Kunda Kriya.

 

There is another Supplementar y method for cross checking.

 

This depends on the Bhootodaya at the time of birth.

 

We already know that one yama is 90 minutes. Each of these yama are further

divided as

 

Prithvee 0:06:00

Jalam 0:12:00

Agni 0:18:00

Vaayu 0:24:00

Aakasam 0:30:00

 

After this It repeats in reverse

Aakasam

Vaayu

Agni

Jalam

Prithvee

 

And the cycle gets repeated throughout the day.

 

Out of the above 5 pancha boothas, Jalam & Vaayu are females while others are

males. It is supposed that birth of females or males happen in their respective

bhootas.

 

These timmings can also further divided just like we compute the antardasa,

chidra etc.

 

As per varaha Mihira, the sequence is same for all week days.

 

However there is also another method, which has a different sequence for each

day of the week and similarly it further splitups.

 

These methods could be used in conjuction with kunda kriya or even kp method for

further confirmation.

 

There is also another method to check the Lagna, Nakshtra 

 

The Ghatis (Nazhika) is multiplied by 6 and the date of birth (only date) is

added to result and divided by the 30. The integer value (plus one if there is

balance) is the lagna and the above expunged by 30 gives the lagna sputa in that

sign.

 

The Ghatis is converted to vighatis. The moon position from Aries is added to

this number. Multipy this with 4 and divide by 27. the remainder indicates the

birth star counted from Aswini - if the birth is Shukla paksha & from dhanishta

if the birth is in Krishna paksha. This could also be 10 or 19

(janma-anujanma  taras) or in the trikona rasis.

 

We can use several such methods to cross check the results. This is apart from

other much elaborate methods that depends on the Dasa / anthara /chidra, life

events, Navamsa/dwadasamsa indications that points to various factors such as

profession, complexion, general builtup, moles, signs on the body etc.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

None of these methods, individualy should be blindly depended on. But should be

used to cross check and arrive at a time that is compatable with the " system "

each astrologer uses.

 

For ex: The Sun rise in my software may show 6:18:33 and yet in another may be

6:20:09, the bootodaya etc may change change accordingly. When we try to

adjust the tob according to this indication, there will slight change in dasa

(chidra) or even below that (prana, sookshma). The same when you try in your

software, you will get a different TOB, may be because, the sun rise time is

different.

 

 

Personaly I use two or three methods and Kalachakra dasa (not from jHora) if I

know atleast a few of the life event dates of the native and also use the

navamsa/dwadasamsa etc. There is no doubt that it is a tedious process and one

should be lucky to hit bulls eye within minutes. Some charts are very confusing

with intermingled factors which complicates the analysis. (remember, the cancer

case, where I arrived at the correct tob with a few minutes difference from a 24

hr timeline). These things at times could be nasty brain teasers.

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:49:11 PM

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

very interesting concepts and people should be able to find reliability in our

approaches and forecasts.Not necessaty two AStrologer will have same king of

understanding and analysis.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:57 AM

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

I have already stated the Kunda Kriya.

 

There is another Supplementar y method for cross checking.

 

This depends on the Bhootodaya at the time of birth.

 

We already know that one yama is 90 minutes. Each of these yama are further

divided as

 

Prithvee 0:06:00

Jalam 0:12:00

Agni 0:18:00

Vaayu 0:24:00

Aakasam 0:30:00

 

After this It repeats in reverse

Aakasam

Vaayu

Agni

Jalam

Prithvee

 

And the cycle gets repeated throughout the day.

 

Out of the above 5 pancha boothas, Jalam & Vaayu are females while others are

males. It is supposed that birth of females or males happen in their respective

bhootas.

 

These timmings can also further divided just like we compute the antardasa,

chidra etc.

 

As per varaha Mihira, the sequence is same for all week days.

 

However there is also another method, which has a different sequence for each

day of the week and similarly it further splitups.

 

These methods could be used in conjuction with kunda kriya or even kp method for

further confirmation.

 

There is also another method to check the Lagna, Nakshtra 

 

The Ghatis (Nazhika) is multiplied by 6 and the date of birth (only date) is

added to result and divided by the 30. The integer value (plus one if there is

balance) is the lagna and the above expunged by 30 gives the lagna sputa in that

sign.

 

The Ghatis is converted to vighatis. The moon position from Aries is added to

this number. Multipy this with 4 and divide by 27. the remainder indicates the

birth star counted from Aswini - if the birth is Shukla paksha & from dhanishta

if the birth is in Krishna paksha. This could also be 10 or 19

(janma-anujanma  taras) or in the trikona rasis.

 

We can use several such methods to cross check the results. This is apart from

other much elaborate methods that depends on the Dasa / anthara /chidra, life

events, Navamsa/dwadasamsa indications that points to various factors such as

profession, complexion, general builtup, moles, signs on the body etc.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

In addition to this we can also cross check the Lagna & Chandra lagna from the

name of the person. Each character in Sanskrit is assigned to each signs. The

name many a times corresponds to the Lagna & chandra lagna. There are

complicated indications that may be on contrast to this theory.

 

For ex: My name is Suresh Babu

" S " falls in Karkata & " B " falls in Kumbha rasi : My lagna is Karkata & Chandra

lagna is Kumbha.

 

My Sons name is Ashok Shenoy

" A " falls in Simha &   " S "  in Karkata

He is Simha lagna with Moon in Karkata

 

The namakshara could also fall in the Navamsa / Dwadasamsa rasi also.

 

There are many such examples. However you will find many names that do not

correlate to the above. That is why I have said that one should blindly follow

a single method.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:49:11 PM

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

very interesting concepts and people should be able to find reliability in our

approaches and forecasts.Not necessaty two AStrologer will have same king of

understanding and analysis.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:57 AM

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

I have already stated the Kunda Kriya.

 

There is another Supplementar y method for cross checking.

 

This depends on the Bhootodaya at the time of birth.

 

We already know that one yama is 90 minutes. Each of these yama are further

divided as

 

Prithvee 0:06:00

Jalam 0:12:00

Agni 0:18:00

Vaayu 0:24:00

Aakasam 0:30:00

 

After this It repeats in reverse

Aakasam

Vaayu

Agni

Jalam

Prithvee

 

And the cycle gets repeated throughout the day.

 

Out of the above 5 pancha boothas, Jalam & Vaayu are females while others are

males. It is supposed that birth of females or males happen in their respective

bhootas.

 

These timmings can also further divided just like we compute the antardasa,

chidra etc.

 

As per varaha Mihira, the sequence is same for all week days.

 

However there is also another method, which has a different sequence for each

day of the week and similarly it further splitups.

 

These methods could be used in conjuction with kunda kriya or even kp method for

further confirmation.

 

There is also another method to check the Lagna, Nakshtra 

 

The Ghatis (Nazhika) is multiplied by 6 and the date of birth (only date) is

added to result and divided by the 30. The integer value (plus one if there is

balance) is the lagna and the above expunged by 30 gives the lagna sputa in that

sign.

 

The Ghatis is converted to vighatis. The moon position from Aries is added to

this number. Multipy this with 4 and divide by 27. the remainder indicates the

birth star counted from Aswini - if the birth is Shukla paksha & from dhanishta

if the birth is in Krishna paksha. This could also be 10 or 19

(janma-anujanma  taras) or in the trikona rasis.

 

We can use several such methods to cross check the results. This is apart from

other much elaborate methods that depends on the Dasa / anthara /chidra, life

events, Navamsa/dwadasamsa indications that points to various factors such as

profession, complexion, general builtup, moles, signs on the body etc.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

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[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji,

 

You have mentioned the true problem. The querist should have faith in the

astrologer. Kp astrologer may have arrived at almost the same

conclusions based on his parameters, you have arrived with your parameters. The

same is true with ayanamsa differences also. Whatever system one uses, the

result is more important and justify the life events through their methods with

Consistancy in theories. That is why time tested methods become more important.

 

As you mentioned, Lagna alone do not determine what a chart is. Chandra lagna

etc also play important part and in many cases Chandra Lagna assumes upperhand

than lagna. We have come across many case when Lagna does not indicate what the

native is while Chandra lagna is very clear. So as you said, it all depends on

the astrologer.

 

I know several traditional astrologers who compute the whole chart even if they

are provided with complete data, to make sure of what they are basing their

predictions. In fact this is common method followed in Kerala. Most of us never

accept the computed horoscopes, but computes it ourselves. Some even use the

elaborate manual computation methods before opening their mouths.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:43:46 PM

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji and others,

In jyotish we consider the first thing is :

a)to have data of the person

b)to have problem of  the person seeking advice

c)Astrologer willing to analyse as per basic procedures and as per classicals.

For any thing to initaite if these pre requirements r satisfied,now the

AStrologer has to prepare a chart after checking the information before him by

all means and as per his understanding of the sastras and forecast.

In our theoritical background there are certain do's and dont's and also the way

we deal vedic astrology.

Iam not tuning my approach as per Internet based methodology based on some body

posing some question and an astrologer asking " n " number of questions or the

querrant asking to correct the time of birth as per some events does not find to

be a proper approach. 

In fact I have also some awreness of KAS system where lot of propositions are

for timing an event.

One thing Iam quite clear is AStrologer is not sitting on the seat of judgement

or dicate some body's future.

True what you said and more from internet point of view of//The real problem

however is the Sun rise/set time //

Possible that some body has an issue lookinf for astrological counselling but

has no data to present://The native should always present only the recorded time

and not the corrected time//

It is for Astrologer to find the probelm in a chart based on Hora and

analyse.otherwise based on the nakshtra or based on surya lagna.These issues are

better left to AStrologer to understand,able to analyse and guide.

Finally about confusions as AStrologer like Doctors too may not give identical

advice and thought and also the peson asking might not present problem in the

same way.No wonder the dates or suggestion do differ.It is not 'coz basic

AStrology lacks consistency, it is only AStrologer who analyses has his won

ways.So there is no point in making hue and cry of Jyotish.

I cited KP AStrology as recently a known brought a chart made by KP Astrologer

after correcting the TOB and requested me to sse.

Based on the data given by him and his problem of losses in business and his

abrupt ending of career in US along with his involvement in a fraud etc.

I made a chart as per details given by hil and the problem with reference to the

time and dasa and find large variance in analysis.I could not help nor could

base my study on the basis of corrected date of birth.Such issues often one has

to experience and may find to be://You have brought up a highly controvercial

subject//

If two people have no faith between them in the matters relating jyotish,there

is no real meaning in hunting for astrologer for resressal of problem.

...

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:22 AM

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

 

There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

 

I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100% accurate in

all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as well. In

fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They are all

pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That is

prime difficulty.

 

After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take two

most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The results

offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun rise/set

is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real problem

however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares & panchangas,

each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each claiming to be

perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to create the

confusion even more deeper.

 

That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

Dea Shri Suresh Ji,

I agree with you.But in many cases perhaps,the name is given without any

relevance to the rasis/lagna letters.

IN our family,there is Santi Homam,Nakshtra pooja and " Punyvachan " and if the

nakshtram like Apabaharani Santhi Pooja etc r performed after 10th 0r 13th day

or in 30 days ,a ritual is performed by the family and name is initaited through

pooja and is written in a palate having raw rice.

In Vedic procedures,when rituals like namakarana is done these letters for

naming in the child are not adhered by some families

Like in my Family:

Dhiraj Anil

Padma Priya

Sree Lakshmi

Radha krishnan

Vara Parsada Rama Murty

Vardhan Mahal Lakshmi

In the above namarasi does not match with chandra rasi and lagna letters/names..

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

In addition to this we can also cross check the Lagna & Chandra lagna from the

name of the person. Each character in Sanskrit is assigned to each signs. The

name many a times corresponds to the Lagna & chandra lagna. There are

complicated indications that may be on contrast to this theory.

 

For ex: My name is Suresh Babu

" S " falls in Karkata & " B " falls in Kumbha rasi : My lagna is Karkata & Chandra

lagna is Kumbha.

 

My Sons name is Ashok Shenoy

" A " falls in Simha &   " S "  in Karkata

He is Simha lagna with Moon in Karkata

 

The namakshara could also fall in the Navamsa / Dwadasamsa rasi also.

 

There are many such examples. However you will find many names that do not

correlate to the above. That is why I have said that one should blindly follow

a single method.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:49:11 PM

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

very interesting concepts and people should be able to find reliability in our

approaches and forecasts.Not necessaty two AStrologer will have same king of

understanding and analysis.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:57 AM

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

I have already stated the Kunda Kriya.

 

There is another Supplementar y method for cross checking.

 

This depends on the Bhootodaya at the time of birth.

 

We already know that one yama is 90 minutes. Each of these yama are further

divided as

 

Prithvee 0:06:00

Jalam 0:12:00

Agni 0:18:00

Vaayu 0:24:00

Aakasam 0:30:00

 

After this It repeats in reverse

Aakasam

Vaayu

Agni

Jalam

Prithvee

 

And the cycle gets repeated throughout the day.

 

Out of the above 5 pancha boothas, Jalam & Vaayu are females while others are

males. It is supposed that birth of females or males happen in their respective

bhootas.

 

These timmings can also further divided just like we compute the antardasa,

chidra etc.

 

As per varaha Mihira, the sequence is same for all week days.

 

However there is also another method, which has a different sequence for each

day of the week and similarly it further splitups.

 

These methods could be used in conjuction with kunda kriya or even kp method for

further confirmation.

 

There is also another method to check the Lagna, Nakshtra 

 

The Ghatis (Nazhika) is multiplied by 6 and the date of birth (only date) is

added to result and divided by the 30. The integer value (plus one if there is

balance) is the lagna and the above expunged by 30 gives the lagna sputa in that

sign.

 

The Ghatis is converted to vighatis. The moon position from Aries is added to

this number. Multipy this with 4 and divide by 27. the remainder indicates the

birth star counted from Aswini - if the birth is Shukla paksha & from dhanishta

if the birth is in Krishna paksha. This could also be 10 or 19

(janma-anujanma  taras) or in the trikona rasis.

 

We can use several such methods to cross check the results. This is apart from

other much elaborate methods that depends on the Dasa / anthara /chidra, life

events, Navamsa/dwadasamsa indications that points to various factors such as

profession, complexion, general builtup, moles, signs on the body etc.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna Ji,

 

I am aware that the swaraksharas / rasi & namakshara doesn't match in all the

cases.

 

One of the reason just could be as you said, the names in old days were choosen

according to a system that sinch with astrology etc, which now-a-days even

Indians do not follow. But doesn't the role of astrology end there. I don't

think so. This is because, Varaha Samhita gives methods to find number of words

in the name. whether it is correct ot not is a different matter. What matters is

that he has alleged 3 or more words in the name and that does not correspond

just to the chandra rasi & lagna. So the very reason such factors are provided

show that traditional Naming system need not be followed and acharyas were aware

of this.

 

I don't of others but in the case of Padma priya, The navamsa & dwadasamsa of

Lagna both fall in Kumbha where the swarakshara " p " also falls.

 

Check others also.

 

I have also found namaskharas fall in the sign of most relevant planet also.

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 3:47:53 PM

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

 

Dea Shri Suresh Ji,

I agree with you.But in many cases perhaps,the name is given without any

relevance to the rasis/lagna letters.

IN our family,there is Santi Homam,Nakshtra pooja and " Punyvachan " and if the

nakshtram like Apabaharani Santhi Pooja etc r performed after 10th 0r 13th day

or in 30 days ,a ritual is performed by the family and name is initaited through

pooja and is written in a palate having raw rice.

In Vedic procedures,when rituals like namakarana is done these letters for

naming in the child are not adhered by some families

Like in my Family:

Dhiraj Anil

Padma Priya

Sree Lakshmi

Radha krishnan

Vara Parsada Rama Murty

Vardhan Mahal Lakshmi

In the above namarasi does not match with chandra rasi and lagna letters/names.

..

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:57 AM

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

In addition to this we can also cross check the Lagna & Chandra lagna from the

name of the person. Each character in Sanskrit is assigned to each signs. The

name many a times corresponds to the Lagna & chandra lagna. There are

complicated indications that may be on contrast to this theory.

 

For ex: My name is Suresh Babu

" S " falls in Karkata & " B " falls in Kumbha rasi : My lagna is Karkata & Chandra

lagna is Kumbha.

 

My Sons name is Ashok Shenoy

" A " falls in Simha &   " S "  in Karkata

He is Simha lagna with Moon in Karkata

 

The namakshara could also fall in the Navamsa / Dwadasamsa rasi also.

 

There are many such examples. However you will find many names that do not

correlate to the above. That is why I have said that one should blindly follow

a single method.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 12:49:11 PM

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

very interesting concepts and people should be able to find reliability in our

approaches and forecasts.Not necessaty two AStrologer will have same king of

understanding and analysis.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 1:57 AM

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

I have already stated the Kunda Kriya.

 

There is another Supplementar y method for cross checking.

 

This depends on the Bhootodaya at the time of birth.

 

We already know that one yama is 90 minutes. Each of these yama are further

divided as

 

Prithvee 0:06:00

Jalam 0:12:00

Agni 0:18:00

Vaayu 0:24:00

Aakasam 0:30:00

 

After this It repeats in reverse

Aakasam

Vaayu

Agni

Jalam

Prithvee

 

And the cycle gets repeated throughout the day.

 

Out of the above 5 pancha boothas, Jalam & Vaayu are females while others are

males. It is supposed that birth of females or males happen in their respective

bhootas.

 

These timmings can also further divided just like we compute the antardasa,

chidra etc.

 

As per varaha Mihira, the sequence is same for all week days.

 

However there is also another method, which has a different sequence for each

day of the week and similarly it further splitups.

 

These methods could be used in conjuction with kunda kriya or even kp method for

further confirmation.

 

There is also another method to check the Lagna, Nakshtra 

 

The Ghatis (Nazhika) is multiplied by 6 and the date of birth (only date) is

added to result and divided by the 30. The integer value (plus one if there is

balance) is the lagna and the above expunged by 30 gives the lagna sputa in that

sign.

 

The Ghatis is converted to vighatis. The moon position from Aries is added to

this number. Multipy this with 4 and divide by 27. the remainder indicates the

birth star counted from Aswini - if the birth is Shukla paksha & from dhanishta

if the birth is in Krishna paksha. This could also be 10 or 19

(janma-anujanma  taras) or in the trikona rasis.

 

We can use several such methods to cross check the results. This is apart from

other much elaborate methods that depends on the Dasa / anthara /chidra, life

events, Navamsa/dwadasamsa indications that points to various factors such as

profession, complexion, general builtup, moles, signs on the body etc.

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

; jyotish-vidya

Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

Members,

Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

 

" Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by any

method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

applied to get correct results.

This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written an

article an article "

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Suresh_jee.

Generally the birth-time stated all the way up to seconds is the indicator of

'rectified' time and I always look at that with some suspicion.

 

Years ago on Jyotish Group (before it was renamed so) an individual Mani offered

his birthtime for rectification and all sorts of (levels of experience)

jyotishis offered their rectification, all around 30 minutes to 45 minutes

around the original stated time if I recall correctly. The person then wrote

back six months later that he visited Mr. Karve and according to the well-known

seer/yogi, the stated birthtime was off by 2 and a half hours! Pretty confusing

affair!

 

RR_,

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

>

> There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

>

> I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100% accurate

in all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as well. In

fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They are all

pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That is

prime difficulty.

>

> After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take two

most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The results

offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun rise/set

is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real problem

however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares & panchangas,

each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each claiming to be

perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to create the

confusion even more deeper.

>

> That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

>

>

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

> ; jyotish-vidya

> Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

> System of Birth time rectification-KP System

>

>  

> Members,

> Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

>

> " Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by

any method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

> Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

> This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

> applied to get correct results.

> This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

> It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written

an article an article "

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini ji,

 

some how i end up laughing after reading your mails including this one.

 

There is even better example. Some time back a native posted a query in one

these forums and one learned astrologer corrected the TOB by 10 minutes which

he claimed to accurate. Later that evening the native sent me a personal mail

that the TOB was actually PM instead of AM - how many hours? that is what

happens when one blindly depends on mathematics in Astrology.  

 

A minute or two is the maximum one could possibly safely correct. any thing more

than that is too risky and should not be ventured unless one knows a lot more

about the native and that too if you know your cards well.

 

But for general predictions, which 90% of cases require, such excercise is not

neccessary.

  

regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 11:29:51 PM

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

I agree with you Suresh_jee.

Generally the birth-time stated all the way up to seconds is the indicator of

'rectified' time and I always look at that with some suspicion.

 

Years ago on Jyotish Group (before it was renamed so) an individual Mani offered

his birthtime for rectification and all sorts of (levels of experience)

jyotishis offered their rectification, all around 30 minutes to 45 minutes

around the original stated time if I recall correctly. The person then wrote

back six months later that he visited Mr. Karve and according to the well-known

seer/yogi, the stated birthtime was off by 2 and a half hours! Pretty confusing

affair!

 

RR_,

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

>

> There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

>

> I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100% accurate

in all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as well. In

fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They are all

pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That is

prime difficulty.

>

> After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take two

most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The results

offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun rise/set

is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real problem

however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares & panchangas,

each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each claiming to be

perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to create the

confusion even more deeper.

>

> That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

>

>

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

> ; jyotish-vidya

> Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

> System of Birth time rectification- KP System

>

>  

> Members,

> Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice given

in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of critical

nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote our

approach of the classical science.

>

> " Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by

any method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

> Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

> This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

> applied to get correct results.

> This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

> It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has written

an article an article "

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As long as you are not laughing 'at' me ;-)

 

Yes, I agree. The critical thing is that if a planet etc is near a sandhi

(rashi, nakshatra, etc) then it could shift and make a significant difference.

But the multiplicity of ayanashas would do the same.

 

I think the problem really is that the astrological rules do not work in

isolation. The indicators work in a 'matrix' and that is why five different

charts with the same gross single factor (such as sun in 7th we recently talked

about) would unfold in different manners in them, even if the ascendant and

swamsha were identical.

 

That is why if someone starts talking about a single factor I subject such a

statement to the simple test in a large number of charts and invariably most of

these fail. And it is a matter of common-sense to expect those to fail. I do

this not out of malice but in the hope that people will see the weakness in such

axioms and develop a more questioning and less of a " believe it just because the

classics say so " , attitude. Now I am sure that the original classics were

perhaps rock-solid in the rules etc they contained, but we do not have those any

more. Even BPHS, probably the most rigorously arranged jyotish text, and

complete, is now available in so many versions. Hence I call what is available

as an image and glimpse of The Classic and Original BPHS, and we must not lose

sight of that fact, regardless of our gratefulness that at least that remained

preserved.

 

I think people in Jyotish get too emotional and oversensitive and that then gets

in the way of rational and logical thinking and a fairly balanced perspective.

 

Rahu for instance. As I wrote recently, one would find Rahu showing up in a

variety of professions or other investigations. And yet, people, forget

completely about the very commonly accepted (and seen to function well!) fact

that rahu (and ketu) are like chameleons and can MIMIC other planets. The serve

as surrogates and assume the nature of their dispositors and the planet they are

strongly associated with. Therefore when we see Rahu showing up as a strong

factor, it is merely beckoning us to critically look further and deeper! Rahu is

merely a milestone and not the destination that we are trying to find

astrologically. There are many other nuances but it is already getting pretty

long and I have used up all the oxygen that is available in the Dungeon :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> some how i end up laughing after reading your mails including this one.

>

> There is even better example. Some time back a native posted a query in one

these forums and one learned astrologer corrected the TOB by 10 minutes which

he claimed to accurate. Later that evening the native sent me a personal mail

that the TOB was actually PM instead of AM - how many hours? that is what

happens when one blindly depends on mathematics in Astrology.  

>

> A minute or two is the maximum one could possibly safely correct. any thing

more than that is too risky and should not be ventured unless one knows a lot

more about the native and that too if you know your cards well.

>

> But for general predictions, which 90% of cases require, such excercise is not

neccessary.

>   

> regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 11:29:51 PM

> Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

>

>  

> I agree with you Suresh_jee.

> Generally the birth-time stated all the way up to seconds is the indicator of

'rectified' time and I always look at that with some suspicion.

>

> Years ago on Jyotish Group (before it was renamed so) an individual Mani

offered his birthtime for rectification and all sorts of (levels of experience)

jyotishis offered their rectification, all around 30 minutes to 45 minutes

around the original stated time if I recall correctly. The person then wrote

back six months later that he visited Mr. Karve and according to the well-known

seer/yogi, the stated birthtime was off by 2 and a half hours! Pretty confusing

affair!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

> >

> > There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

> >

> > I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100%

accurate in all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as

well. In fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They

are all pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That

is prime difficulty.

> >

> > After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take

two most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The

results offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun

rise/set is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real

problem however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares &

panchangas, each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each

claiming to be perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to

create the confusion even more deeper.

> >

> > That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

> >

> >

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > ; jyotish-vidya

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

> > System of Birth time rectification- KP System

> >

> >  

> > Members,

> > Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice

given in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of

critical nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote

our approach of the classical science.

> >

> > " Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by

any method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

> > Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

> > This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

> > applied to get correct results.

> > This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

> > It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has

written an article an article "

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

//The indicators work in a 'matrix' and that is why five different charts with

the same gross single factor (such as sun in 7th we recently talked about) would

unfold in different manners in them, even if the ascendant and swamsha were

identical.//

 

Exactly. This is what I have been trying to impress (including krishna ji &

prashant ji). In practice, we also look at what is called " Priccha " - the time

when a native comes for consultations. This provides an additional factor in

the analsysis that correlates the chart with that particular native only.

 

Regarding classics & acharyas, I have to point out the way Varaha Mihira has

created the Varaha Hora (also known as Brihad Jataka) is to instigate the

students to use their brains logicaly than to learn byheart the dictoms and to

use them - as a true acharya. That is why he condensed the whole of Astrology in

just a few verses. The meaning of each of these verses shall run into several

pages. But after going through other texts, most undermine its value or the

importance.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 4:29:43 AM

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

As long as you are not laughing 'at' me ;-)

 

Yes, I agree. The critical thing is that if a planet etc is near a sandhi

(rashi, nakshatra, etc) then it could shift and make a significant difference.

But the multiplicity of ayanashas would do the same.

 

I think the problem really is that the astrological rules do not work in

isolation. The indicators work in a 'matrix' and that is why five different

charts with the same gross single factor (such as sun in 7th we recently talked

about) would unfold in different manners in them, even if the ascendant and

swamsha were identical.

 

That is why if someone starts talking about a single factor I subject such a

statement to the simple test in a large number of charts and invariably most of

these fail. And it is a matter of common-sense to expect those to fail. I do

this not out of malice but in the hope that people will see the weakness in such

axioms and develop a more questioning and less of a " believe it just because the

classics say so " , attitude. Now I am sure that the original classics were

perhaps rock-solid in the rules etc they contained, but we do not have those any

more. Even BPHS, probably the most rigorously arranged jyotish text, and

complete, is now available in so many versions. Hence I call what is available

as an image and glimpse of The Classic and Original BPHS, and we must not lose

sight of that fact, regardless of our gratefulness that at least that remained

preserved.

 

I think people in Jyotish get too emotional and oversensitive and that then gets

in the way of rational and logical thinking and a fairly balanced perspective.

 

Rahu for instance. As I wrote recently, one would find Rahu showing up in a

variety of professions or other investigations. And yet, people, forget

completely about the very commonly accepted (and seen to function well!) fact

that rahu (and ketu) are like chameleons and can MIMIC other planets. The serve

as surrogates and assume the nature of their dispositors and the planet they are

strongly associated with. Therefore when we see Rahu showing up as a strong

factor, it is merely beckoning us to critically look further and deeper! Rahu is

merely a milestone and not the destination that we are trying to find

astrologically. There are many other nuances but it is already getting pretty

long and I have used up all the oxygen that is available in the Dungeon :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> some how i end up laughing after reading your mails including this one.

>

> There is even better example. Some time back a native posted a query in one

these forums and one learned astrologer corrected the TOB by 10 minutes

which he claimed to accurate. Later that evening the native sent me a

personal mail that the TOB was actually PM instead of AM - how many hours? that

is what happens when one blindly depends on mathematics in Astrology.  

>

> A minute or two is the maximum one could possibly safely correct. any thing

more than that is too risky and should not be ventured unless one knows a lot

more about the native and that too if you know your cards well.

>

> But for general predictions, which 90% of cases require, such excercise is not

neccessary.

>   

> regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 11:29:51 PM

> Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

>

>  

> I agree with you Suresh_jee.

> Generally the birth-time stated all the way up to seconds is the indicator of

'rectified' time and I always look at that with some suspicion.

>

> Years ago on Jyotish Group (before it was renamed so) an individual Mani

offered his birthtime for rectification and all sorts of (levels of experience)

jyotishis offered their rectification, all around 30 minutes to 45 minutes

around the original stated time if I recall correctly. The person then wrote

back six months later that he visited Mr. Karve and according to the well-known

seer/yogi, the stated birthtime was off by 2 and a half hours! Pretty confusing

affair!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

> >

> > There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

> >

> > I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100%

accurate in all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as

well. In fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They

are all pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That

is prime difficulty.

> >

> > After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take

two most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The

results offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun

rise/set is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real

problem however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares &

panchangas, each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each

claiming to be perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to

create the confusion even more deeper.

> >

> > That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

> >

> >

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > ; jyotish-vidya

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

> > System of Birth time rectification- KP System

> >

> >  

> > Members,

> > Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice

given in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of

critical nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote

our approach of the classical science.

> >

> > " Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by

any method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

> > Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

> > This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

> > applied to get correct results.

> > This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

> > It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has

written an article an article "

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends

Some time I feel like analysing what made a native to be desperate and find a

time called as " Preecha " (as termed by shri Suresh Ji).has it got any relevance

to the need and the Individual hard pressed to seek solution of the problem.

No doubt Internet made the task easier and even light to ignore about A.M and

P.M and over look many aspects and exhibit only curiosity.

The system that is ahandy and available to a person knowing Astrology has some

thing to convey in a broad sense and guide to ease the persons anxiety and make

him to brood on his own to settle down with choices/alterantives to choose the

best.

As brought out the case of Sun in 7th,it is not a dcitum that always let's down

a person with pain and agony.It shows his capablity and his comhrensivness and

compousre to lead and deal matters.So one need to undertsnd such persons

initiatives and give him an opportunity to serve and help with out feeling and

focus on self and ego elements.

when querries are fired,the intentions have to be clear and understand the

treasure of jyotish and it's potentialities.This may require faith,belief and

sense of  application to sove many riddles in life.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:01 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

//The indicators work in a 'matrix' and that is why five different charts with

the same gross single factor (such as sun in 7th we recently talked about) would

unfold in different manners in them, even if the ascendant and swamsha were

identical.//

 

Exactly. This is what I have been trying to impress (including krishna ji &

prashant ji). In practice, we also look at what is called " Priccha " - the time

when a native comes for consultations. This provides an additional factor in

the analsysis that correlates the chart with that particular native only.

 

Regarding classics & acharyas, I have to point out the way Varaha Mihira has

created the Varaha Hora (also known as Brihad Jataka) is to instigate the

students to use their brains logicaly than to learn byheart the dictoms and to

use them - as a true acharya. That is why he condensed the whole of Astrology in

just a few verses. The meaning of each of these verses shall run into several

pages. But after going through other texts, most undermine its value or the

importance.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 4:29:43 AM

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

As long as you are not laughing 'at' me ;-)

 

Yes, I agree. The critical thing is that if a planet etc is near a sandhi

(rashi, nakshatra, etc) then it could shift and make a significant difference.

But the multiplicity of ayanashas would do the same.

 

I think the problem really is that the astrological rules do not work in

isolation. The indicators work in a 'matrix' and that is why five different

charts with the same gross single factor (such as sun in 7th we recently talked

about) would unfold in different manners in them, even if the ascendant and

swamsha were identical.

 

That is why if someone starts talking about a single factor I subject such a

statement to the simple test in a large number of charts and invariably most of

these fail. And it is a matter of common-sense to expect those to fail. I do

this not out of malice but in the hope that people will see the weakness in such

axioms and develop a more questioning and less of a " believe it just because the

classics say so " , attitude. Now I am sure that the original classics were

perhaps rock-solid in the rules etc they contained, but we do not have those any

more. Even BPHS, probably the most rigorously arranged jyotish text, and

complete, is now available in so many versions. Hence I call what is available

as an image and glimpse of The Classic and Original BPHS, and we must not lose

sight of that fact, regardless of our gratefulness that at least that remained

preserved.

 

I think people in Jyotish get too emotional and oversensitive and that then gets

in the way of rational and logical thinking and a fairly balanced perspective.

 

Rahu for instance. As I wrote recently, one would find Rahu showing up in a

variety of professions or other investigations. And yet, people, forget

completely about the very commonly accepted (and seen to function well!) fact

that rahu (and ketu) are like chameleons and can MIMIC other planets. The serve

as surrogates and assume the nature of their dispositors and the planet they are

strongly associated with. Therefore when we see Rahu showing up as a strong

factor, it is merely beckoning us to critically look further and deeper! Rahu is

merely a milestone and not the destination that we are trying to find

astrologically. There are many other nuances but it is already getting pretty

long and I have used up all the oxygen that is available in the Dungeon :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> some how i end up laughing after reading your mails including this one.

>

> There is even better example. Some time back a native posted a query in one

these forums and one learned astrologer corrected the TOB by 10 minutes

which he claimed to accurate. Later that evening the native sent me a

personal mail that the TOB was actually PM instead of AM - how many hours? that

is what happens when one blindly depends on mathematics in Astrology.  

>

> A minute or two is the maximum one could possibly safely correct. any thing

more than that is too risky and should not be ventured unless one knows a lot

more about the native and that too if you know your cards well.

>

> But for general predictions, which 90% of cases require, such excercise is not

neccessary.

>   

> regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 11:29:51 PM

> Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

>

>  

> I agree with you Suresh_jee.

> Generally the birth-time stated all the way up to seconds is the indicator of

'rectified' time and I always look at that with some suspicion.

>

> Years ago on Jyotish Group (before it was renamed so) an individual Mani

offered his birthtime for rectification and all sorts of (levels of experience)

jyotishis offered their rectification, all around 30 minutes to 45 minutes

around the original stated time if I recall correctly. The person then wrote

back six months later that he visited Mr. Karve and according to the well-known

seer/yogi, the stated birthtime was off by 2 and a half hours! Pretty confusing

affair!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

> >

> > There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

> >

> > I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100%

accurate in all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as

well. In fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They

are all pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That

is prime difficulty.

> >

> > After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take

two most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The

results offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun

rise/set is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real

problem however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares &

panchangas, each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each

claiming to be perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to

create the confusion even more deeper.

> >

> > That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

> >

> >

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > ; jyotish-vidya

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

> > System of Birth time rectification- KP System

> >

> >  

> > Members,

> > Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice

given in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of

critical nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote

our approach of the classical science.

> >

> > " Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by

any method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

> > Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

> > This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

> > applied to get correct results.

> > This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

> > It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has

written an article an article "

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji & others,

 

I am aware that you very know what " Priccha " means. yet, just to make the matter

more clear, I shall site one example.

 

This is regarding another post here on the forum made by dev, regarding his

friends mother and their two children. I had ignored this post earlier. after a

few days, today(just now) he asked for parihara for budha sapa (?) do to which I

became curious about it - His question & my own curiosity.

 

To my surprise, today happens to be her birthday

12-1-1959 6:30AM- delhi. And when I checked the Udaya is 10:55:44AM - Pisces

Lagna (her native lagna is Dhanu).

 

It is much more clear what the problem is.

 

Try it and you shall know better.

 

regards

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 10:56:53 AM

Re: System of Birth time rectification-KP System

 

 

Dear Friends

Some time I feel like analysing what made a native to be desperate and find a

time called as " Preecha " (as termed by shri Suresh Ji).has it got any relevance

to the need and the Individual hard pressed to seek solution of the problem.

No doubt Internet made the task easier and even light to ignore about A.M and

P.M and over look many aspects and exhibit only curiosity.

The system that is ahandy and available to a person knowing Astrology has some

thing to convey in a broad sense and guide to ease the persons anxiety and make

him to brood on his own to settle down with choices/alterantive s to choose the

best.

As brought out the case of Sun in 7th,it is not a dcitum that always let's down

a person with pain and agony.It shows his capablity and his comhrensivness and

compousre to lead and deal matters.So one need to undertsnd such persons

initiatives and give him an opportunity to serve and help with out feeling and

focus on self and ego elements.

when querries are fired,the intentions have to be clear and understand the

treasure of jyotish and it's potentialities. This may require faith,belief and

sense of  application to sove many riddles in life.

 

Vattem Krishnan

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Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:01 AM

 

 

 

//The indicators work in a 'matrix' and that is why five different charts with

the same gross single factor (such as sun in 7th we recently talked about) would

unfold in different manners in them, even if the ascendant and swamsha were

identical.//

 

Exactly. This is what I have been trying to impress (including krishna ji &

prashant ji). In practice, we also look at what is called " Priccha " - the time

when a native comes for consultations. This provides an additional factor in

the analsysis that correlates the chart with that particular native only.

 

Regarding classics & acharyas, I have to point out the way Varaha Mihira has

created the Varaha Hora (also known as Brihad Jataka) is to instigate the

students to use their brains logicaly than to learn byheart the dictoms and to

use them - as a true acharya. That is why he condensed the whole of Astrology in

just a few verses. The meaning of each of these verses shall run into several

pages. But after going through other texts, most undermine its value or the

importance.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 4:29:43 AM

Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

 

 

As long as you are not laughing 'at' me ;-)

 

Yes, I agree. The critical thing is that if a planet etc is near a sandhi

(rashi, nakshatra, etc) then it could shift and make a significant difference.

But the multiplicity of ayanashas would do the same.

 

I think the problem really is that the astrological rules do not work in

isolation. The indicators work in a 'matrix' and that is why five different

charts with the same gross single factor (such as sun in 7th we recently talked

about) would unfold in different manners in them, even if the ascendant and

swamsha were identical.

 

That is why if someone starts talking about a single factor I subject such a

statement to the simple test in a large number of charts and invariably most of

these fail. And it is a matter of common-sense to expect those to fail. I do

this not out of malice but in the hope that people will see the weakness in such

axioms and develop a more questioning and less of a " believe it just because the

classics say so " , attitude. Now I am sure that the original classics were

perhaps rock-solid in the rules etc they contained, but we do not have those any

more. Even BPHS, probably the most rigorously arranged jyotish text, and

complete, is now available in so many versions. Hence I call what is available

as an image and glimpse of The Classic and Original BPHS, and we must not lose

sight of that fact, regardless of our gratefulness that at least that remained

preserved.

 

I think people in Jyotish get too emotional and oversensitive and that then gets

in the way of rational and logical thinking and a fairly balanced perspective.

 

Rahu for instance. As I wrote recently, one would find Rahu showing up in a

variety of professions or other investigations. And yet, people, forget

completely about the very commonly accepted (and seen to function well!) fact

that rahu (and ketu) are like chameleons and can MIMIC other planets. The serve

as surrogates and assume the nature of their dispositors and the planet they are

strongly associated with. Therefore when we see Rahu showing up as a strong

factor, it is merely beckoning us to critically look further and deeper! Rahu is

merely a milestone and not the destination that we are trying to find

astrologically. There are many other nuances but it is already getting pretty

long and I have used up all the oxygen that is available in the Dungeon :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> some how i end up laughing after reading your mails including this one.

>

> There is even better example. Some time back a native posted a query in one

these forums and one learned astrologer corrected the TOB by 10 minutes

which he claimed to accurate. Later that evening the native sent me a

personal mail that the TOB was actually PM instead of AM - how many hours? that

is what happens when one blindly depends on mathematics in Astrology.  

>

> A minute or two is the maximum one could possibly safely correct. any thing

more than that is too risky and should not be ventured unless one knows a lot

more about the native and that too if you know your cards well.

>

> But for general predictions, which 90% of cases require, such excercise is not

neccessary.

>   

> regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 11:29:51 PM

> Re: System of Birth time rectification- KP System

>

>  

> I agree with you Suresh_jee.

> Generally the birth-time stated all the way up to seconds is the indicator of

'rectified' time and I always look at that with some suspicion.

>

> Years ago on Jyotish Group (before it was renamed so) an individual Mani

offered his birthtime for rectification and all sorts of (levels of experience)

jyotishis offered their rectification, all around 30 minutes to 45 minutes

around the original stated time if I recall correctly. The person then wrote

back six months later that he visited Mr. Karve and according to the well-known

seer/yogi, the stated birthtime was off by 2 and a half hours! Pretty confusing

affair!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > You have brought up a highly controvercial subject.

> >

> > There are numerous computations provided in the classical works including Kp

method and all of them has certain value.

> >

> > I have tested almost all of them and found that none of them is 100%

accurate in all the cases. I was not surprised and didn't expect them to be as

well. In fact, from the way acharyas had written them points to only thing. They

are all pointers and need to cross-checked with other parameters & factors. That

is prime difficulty.

> >

> > After going through Most of the methods, I have also found that they take

two most important elements namely (a) Sun rise/set (b) time of birth. The

results offcourse depends on the accuracy of the both. Here we assume that Sun

rise/set is accurate and try to adjust the TOB to get a certain result. The real

problem however is the Sun rise/set time also. If you take 5 softwares &

panchangas, each of them will give you 5 different Sun rise/set timmings each

claiming to be perfect. The difference may be in seconds. But that is enough to

create the confusion even more deeper.

> >

> > That is why I have been stressing that each astrologer should correct TOB

according to his system (Sun rise/set, and other theories) and analise the

chart, provided he knows what he is doing But never try to correct the native.

The native should always present only the recorded time and not the corrected

time.

> >

> >

> >

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > ; jyotish-vidya

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 10:42:56 AM

> > System of Birth time rectification- KP System

> >

> >  

> > Members,

> > Often we dicuss about the need for rectification of birth time.An advice

given in KP system is interesting understand as it can help some events of

critical nature.Your views on this procedure will be very educative to promote

our approach of the classical science.

> >

> > " Birth time Rectification: In order to arrive at birth time rectification by

any method known to us, it is widely felt that one take the date of birth of a

native alone, and not the timeof birth.

> > Astrologers are required to use the birth time rectification technique known

tohim and correct the birth time.Once the rectified birth time is arrived at,

the original birth time should betaken from the native and both may be

cross-checked.

> > This may not be an easy task, but gradual and systematic approach could be

> > applied to get correct results.

> > This way one can beat any birth time rectification task.

> > It is praiseworthy to note at this juncture that Mr. Kanak Bosmia has

written an article an article "

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

>

 

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