Important PIL against astrology

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/This-PIL-is-not-on-astrologers-ch\

arts-/articleshow/5431833.cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Santhosh,

 

It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

 

For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

 

Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take

a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass.

But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the

industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

 

One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science

still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Santhosh <santhosh10

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear All,

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

santhosh

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

 

What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then

using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete

dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be

quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a

govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place

some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt

it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

 

long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so

in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

 

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

 

Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

 

For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

 

Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take

a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass.

But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the

industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

 

One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science

still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Santhosh <santhosh10 >

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear All,

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

santhosh

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Santhosh,

 

I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which

cannot be certified.

 

A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that

he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the

govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of

regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he

 does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want

to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the

public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control

the industries - Let the public be damned.

 

 

The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

 

Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the

interest of a few to control the larger?  

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Santhosh <santhosh10

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

 

What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then

using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete

dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be

quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a

govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place

some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt

it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

 

long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so

in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

 

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

 

For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

 

Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take

a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass.

But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the

industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

 

One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science

still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear All,

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

santhosh

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Santhosh,

 

Supreme court recently asked the centre to leagalise prostitution, simply

because the failed to eradicate it.

 

Tommorrow somebody would say leagalise terrorism, because no country is able

to eradicate it so far.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Santhosh <santhosh10

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

 

What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then

using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete

dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be

quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a

govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place

some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt

it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

 

long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so

in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

 

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

 

For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

 

Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take

a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass.

But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the

industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

 

One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science

still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear All,

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

santhosh

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

You are probably right suresh ji,

 

Since it is a divine science, it will also have a divine purpose. We should flow

with it.

Regards and thanks

Santhosh

 

Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

" Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:22:55

 

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which

cannot be certified.

 

A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that

he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the

govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of

regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he

 does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want

to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the

public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control

the industries - Let the public be damned.

 

 

The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

 

Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the

interest of a few to control the larger?  

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Santhosh <santhosh10

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

 

What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then

using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete

dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be

quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a

govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place

some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt

it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

 

long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so

in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

 

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

 

For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

 

Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take

a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass.

But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the

industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

 

One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science

still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

________________________________

Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Dear All,

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

santhosh

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Respected Suresh ji

 

 

 

Let the public be damned.

 

 

 

Sir well said.

 

This incident was told to me by an alternative therapist from

kerala.

 

There used to be awareness camps regarding the ill effects

alcohol.

 

Eminent speakers would explain to the public the dangers of

consuming alcohol and in the last a medical doctor would end the lecture with

his speech. In his speech he would condemn alcohol BUT he would mention taking

one peg of alcohol is good for the heart. In fact after listening to the speech

non drinkers felt like trying one peg on medical grounds and then the rest is

history. And the best part was from inner sources that this camp was sponsored

by alcohol Mfrs.

 

There is one misconception especially in south India that

pregnant woman should take one spoon of brandy. Now as per research this enters

the milk of mother and subconsciously the child having the taste when grown

gets a taste and addiction. Now we can understand who created this

misconception.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Girish

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 4:22 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

 

 

I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which

cannot be certified.

 

 

 

A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that

he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the

govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- 

cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch -

because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one

channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is

the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries -

Let the public be damned.

 

 

 

The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

 

 

 

Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the

interest of a few to control the larger?  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Santhosh <santhosh10 >

 

 

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

 

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

 

 

I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

 

 

 

What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then

using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete

dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be

quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a

govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place

some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt

it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

 

 

 

long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so

in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

 

 

 

regards

 

santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

 

 

Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

 

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

 

 

It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

 

 

 

For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

 

 

 

Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take

a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass.

But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the

industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

 

 

 

One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science

still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

 

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

 

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

 

Important PIL against astrology

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

 

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

 

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

 

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

 

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

 

 

regards

 

santhosh

 

 

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Public Interest Litigation has acquired the attention educated people,reformers

and social workers to help people from the open ways of exploitation.

Not very long ago v have discussed about Delhi Astrologer who was arrested and

summoned in to the courts.Earlier too since 2006 we have been coming across such

news through media.

As we know it is very difficult to device scope of Astrolgy.Yet the efforts made

for more than a decade resulted in the advent of jyotish as a vocational course

and provided a base for propogation as well a means for livelihood.

Yet,these developments are taking place at very slow pace.In fact I often find

some of the priests known to have studied Agama sastras also guide people on

various matters relating to futrology.

In fact they combine Paurohita with jyotisha and offer remedies as well.They fix

also muhurtas,for various events and also involve in propitations of planets.It

is a thriving employment.

Systems and procedures are established,it only those who make astrology as hobby

and earn are to be watched.Internet certainly one such medium where people often

learn in a differnt style.

Infact I get also diasmayed that in the year 1999-2000 handful people used to

look to Jyotsh remdies and similar other forums for solving their problems.Now

some of them I see ,as professional astrologers and involved in practice.Once a

meber is registerd an seek advice for sade sati or KSY and will pass i on to

somebody and guide their destinies.

It is good such PIL and judicial actvism is also a matter that helps general

public.Infact one of my teacher a retired justicr of Delhi Higourt and a Member

of Consumer Court as a learned Astrologer and also holding position of

Presidentof registerd society,and even renowned Shri k.N.rao do not encourage

professional approaches and certainly in genuine cases help and provide succour.

Many IAS and IPS Officers too provide service and help society

Year 1999-2000 was an year of great deal for jyotish.After a long battle of wits

and in judiciary,Indian Astrologers could get the nod of thinkers and

academician to start Astrology programmes in universities and awrd degrees..

Earlier some of the reputed universities like Rashtreeya Sanskjrit

Vidyapeeth,New Delhi,Haridwar University,Gurukul Kangri,Kansi used to have

Jyotish as a course and award certificates.

After framing regular curriculam,Indian Council of Astrology(ICAS) recognised as

deemed University introduced jyotish courses and conduct Examination for

different courses and awrd certificates.

An year before the set up of deemed university of ICAS,Bahrateeya Vidya Bhavan

under the aegis of Shri K.N.Rao set up regulalr courses and award certificates

to those who qualify in these Exams.

It is now well establishes that in all most university having a regional

courses,P.G.Diplomas as well P.G.Programmes are being conducted .These

recognised universities under UGC Act too conduct courses and awrd certificate.

These efforts though in right is not going to save genuine people from

deceit.Many megapolis and Metro based university with the help of visual media

advertise and charge heftily for thwie services.In many cases these predictions

were never found to be satisfactory as their forecast going tangent.

The business of AStrology has worth of few hundred courses.Lot of Astrology

Magazines give also room for advertisement.Even Astrology has it's branches like

Nadi Jyotish,a traditional art has acquired lot of populalrity in Sothern

States.The biggesst handicap is Tantra that infringes on the vedic Jyotish only

to misguide and mislead peole.Iam told for Manglik dosha a jyotish Vidwan based

in bangalore charges Rs 32000 for performing tantra and get rid of doshas.

These are not stray incidents as Numerologist who also encroach on jyotish

charge substantial amounts.

A vigilant eye,along with experience in the field and having a orientation to

Veidc Jyotish will always be helpful to guide and never promotes himself as

renowned Jyotish will be essential to keep a watch and avoid emberassment in

courts.I think courts doing their job and pronouncing their judgement on

subjects like Astrology clears also how fake astrologers that exist in cities as

dens are a source of nuissance and misguidnace to society

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

 

 

Santhosh <santhosh10

Important PIL against astrology

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:52 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

santhosh

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear,

 

India is probably the only country in the world where its leaders shall appear

on television after every terror attack and Say " We must maintain our calmness

at this our of confusion. do not worry, we are taking all the precautions " and

you can almost visualise him saying " your turn will come next. so please wait in

patience "

 

All in the name of Gang-Indian policy.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Girish menon <horamag

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 6:29:38 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

 

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

 

 

Let the public be damned.

 

 

 

Sir well said.

 

This incident was told to me by an alternative therapist from

kerala.

 

There used to be awareness camps regarding the ill effects

alcohol.

 

Eminent speakers would explain to the public the dangers of

consuming alcohol and in the last a medical doctor would end the lecture with

his speech. In his speech he would condemn alcohol BUT he would mention taking

one peg of alcohol is good for the heart. In fact after listening to the speech

non drinkers felt like trying one peg on medical grounds and then the rest is

history. And the best part was from inner sources that this camp was sponsored

by alcohol Mfrs.

 

There is one misconception especially in south India that

pregnant woman should take one spoon of brandy. Now as per research this enters

the milk of mother and subconsciously the child having the taste when grown

gets a taste and addiction. Now we can understand who created this

misconception.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Girish

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 4:22 AM

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which

cannot be certified.

 

A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that

he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the

govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- 

cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch -

because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one

channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is

the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries -

Let the public be damned.

 

The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

 

Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the

interest of a few to control the larger?  

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

 

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

 

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

 

What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then

using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete

dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be

quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a

govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place

some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt

it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

 

long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so

in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

 

regards

 

santhosh

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

 

 

Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

 

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

 

For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

 

Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take

a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass.

But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the

industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

 

One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science

still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

 

 

 

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

 

 

Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

 

Important PIL against astrology

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

 

http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

 

I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we

have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

 

This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has

been maligned.

 

I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot

ignore this.

 

regards

 

santhosh

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

 

 

[Guest guest]

A somewhat similar 'experiment' was launched in USA decades ago but in a more

aggressive manner which held practice of astrology (all kinds) illegal in

certain states and that then led to the formation of AFAN to provide protection

to professionals and so on.

 

American astro organizations also tried to streamline and standardize the

certification of astrologers. As far as I know it is still voluntary and not a

requirement but publicised enough so that consumers when facing the choice

between a certified (not in the psychiatric sense ;-)) vs a non-certified

astrologer, guess who they will pick?

 

However, tropical astrology is rather uniform and has only minor nuances

(Ebertin's mid-point based system vs the more traditional and a few other minor

variations).

 

However, if you are planning to bring standardization in Indian Astrology, there

could be the following problems:

 

1) Will there be separate certification and standardization to give equal

legitimacy to Parashari Jyotish, Jaimini Jyotish, VAK Choudhury's system

approach, KP, Lal Kitab, and probably half a dozen more (KAS system and Nadi

system, Samudrik Jyotish ,,,ya di ya da ya da!)

 

2) Who will decide who gets on the board of jury to decide the certification

procedures? What will be their qualifications? Chicken and egg! How would the

PIONEER board of decision-makers be formed so that politics (Yes Virginia,

JYOTISH in India is rife with politics and mutual malfeasance!!)?

 

3) Before we even dream of standardizing the discipline (of which there are

many...?) we would first need to attain consensus on the very fundamentals of

the SYSTEM itself. Which ayanamsha, which house division, which dasha, which

dasha duration, which method of calculating parameters and even something as

primordial to astrology as the calculation of the planetary longitudes! Do you

think the Board of Wise Ones will be able to accept longitudes based on drig

ganit vs Surya sidhdhanta?

 

There are so many wrinkles in this 'sari' gentlemen (and ladies!) that if people

think of impulsively jumping into this officialization and normative approaches

of Jyotish (as if there is one and one only!), then let me move a bit farther

away. I like to watch explosions from a distance ;-)

 

I realize that your heart is in the right place but the only way one can improve

the quality of jyotish practice is through the same way as has been done for

other disciplines. Not just by licensing but through educating the consumer! If

consumers continue to enter the market with eyes closed and minds numb, they

will continue to be taken for a ride. Therefore each of us who think we are

responsible and dedicated jyotishis (beginner or pro, does not matter where we

are) -- then we have got to continue to educate the great unwashed so that they

can shop around smartly and wisely. But they would have to be able to put the

time in learning a bit and understanding about astrology. And, quite frankly, I

simply do not believe based on what I have observed that they are willing to put

in the time or effort! By " they " I mean the consumers as well as the jyotishis

who want to make the field cleaner by educating others.

 

I am sorry if I am sounding a bit less gung-ho and even cynical but believe me,

I did not fall off the turnip truck yesterday! :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

>

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/This-PIL-is-not-on-astrologers-ch\

arts-/articleshow/5431833.cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively!) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which

cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging

that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way

for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of

regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he

 does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want

to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the

public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control

the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the

interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Santhosh <santhosh10

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of

the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree

holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

This aspect of PIL seems to be in the right direction.Comes also under the

aspect of consumer protection and rights.

" The PIL has sought criminal action against such persons and a ban on the

popular " forecasts'' on televisions and newspapers. "

It should help to streamline and provide guidnace to people who rush and get

misguided.Also they r squeezed.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 6:22 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

A somewhat similar 'experiment' was launched in USA decades ago but in a more

aggressive manner which held practice of astrology (all kinds) illegal in

certain states and that then led to the formation of AFAN to provide protection

to professionals and so on.

 

American astro organizations also tried to streamline and standardize the

certification of astrologers. As far as I know it is still voluntary and not a

requirement but publicised enough so that consumers when facing the choice

between a certified (not in the psychiatric sense ;-)) vs a non-certified

astrologer, guess who they will pick?

 

However, tropical astrology is rather uniform and has only minor nuances

(Ebertin's mid-point based system vs the more traditional and a few other minor

variations).

 

However, if you are planning to bring standardization in Indian Astrology, there

could be the following problems:

 

1) Will there be separate certification and standardization to give equal

legitimacy to Parashari Jyotish, Jaimini Jyotish, VAK Choudhury's system

approach, KP, Lal Kitab, and probably half a dozen more (KAS system and Nadi

system, Samudrik Jyotish ,,,ya di ya da ya da!)

 

2) Who will decide who gets on the board of jury to decide the certification

procedures? What will be their qualifications? Chicken and egg! How would the

PIONEER board of decision-makers be formed so that politics (Yes Virginia,

JYOTISH in India is rife with politics and mutual malfeasance! !)?

 

3) Before we even dream of standardizing the discipline (of which there are

many...?) we would first need to attain consensus on the very fundamentals of

the SYSTEM itself. Which ayanamsha, which house division, which dasha, which

dasha duration, which method of calculating parameters and even something as

primordial to astrology as the calculation of the planetary longitudes! Do you

think the Board of Wise Ones will be able to accept longitudes based on drig

ganit vs Surya sidhdhanta?

 

There are so many wrinkles in this 'sari' gentlemen (and ladies!) that if people

think of impulsively jumping into this officialization and normative approaches

of Jyotish (as if there is one and one only!), then let me move a bit farther

away. I like to watch explosions from a distance ;-)

 

I realize that your heart is in the right place but the only way one can improve

the quality of jyotish practice is through the same way as has been done for

other disciplines. Not just by licensing but through educating the consumer! If

consumers continue to enter the market with eyes closed and minds numb, they

will continue to be taken for a ride. Therefore each of us who think we are

responsible and dedicated jyotishis (beginner or pro, does not matter where we

are) -- then we have got to continue to educate the great unwashed so that they

can shop around smartly and wisely. But they would have to be able to put the

time in learning a bit and understanding about astrology. And, quite frankly, I

simply do not believe based on what I have observed that they are willing to put

in the time or effort! By " they " I mean the consumers as well as the jyotishis

who want to make the field cleaner by educating others.

 

I am sorry if I am sounding a bit less gung-ho and even cynical but believe me,

I did not fall off the turnip truck yesterday! :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton..

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini ji,

 

do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer

methods?

 

Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic breakdown

is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial advisors,

IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still our schools

teach the same economics that led to this failure.  

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Predictions of any thing be it relate to weather,economics,astrology and

behaviours are really difficult to stand for quality and quantification.

Otherwise the parameters around these predictions have base and their relevance

scietifically difficult to conure.Though the figment of imagination has no

limit,yet the rate of success can never be centum.This is across the globe.we

have seen failure cyclone warning sytem to fail in India in southern part of sub

continent,plateunic movements of earth crust leading to landslides and land

falls causing human loss went beyond the range of scientists..

Economics is no exception.The growth standards along with population exposions

and many other things went wrong.Some of the people have tried in many way to

sharpen the nails.It is only the stones and rocks became smooth and nails

bleeded but brains

have not expanded.All theories have limitations in application.Some element of

wild guess becomes very prominent.

our sages when they observed planets and inferred things they certainly were

made based on some basis.This basis in proper format was not in the reach today

for human consumption.

Now the time has come for courts to become more agile and active as they find

administaration/governance getting abused. 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Monday, January 11, 2010, 11:38 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rohini ji,

 

do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer

methods?

 

Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic breakdown

is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial advisors,

IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still our schools

teach the same economics that led to this failure.  

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest.. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton..

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Respected RR ji

 

You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the

reality.

Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats

the problem, when i said faces i mean  real face which exist behind the face

which we show to people.

 

Astrologers(not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to

people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions.

And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about

doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet

nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know

themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.

 

There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in

this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has

become business to fake astrologers.

 

Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth

chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference,

see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali.....lol), then we got it

corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart

was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it

corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to

prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the

correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time.

the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.

 

So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After

spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.

 

regards

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-)

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer

methods?

>

> Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic

breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial

advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still

our schools teach the same economics that led to this failure.  

>  

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I

could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

>

> Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

>

> Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not

the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

>

> Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through

for the next 15 days.

>

> At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

>

> We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Santhosh,

> >

> > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

> >

> > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

> >

> >

> > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

> >

> > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

> >

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Dear Suresh ji,

> >

> > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of

astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to

guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy

way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

> >

> > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

> >

> > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is

still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in

Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the

astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought

uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam

year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender

and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you

know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote

this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create

a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future.

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> >

> > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Dear Santhosh,

> >

> > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

> >

> > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In

reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals

will burn if you take one spoonfull.

> >

> > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you

should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is

thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine

how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

> >

> > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

> >  

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> >

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> > Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Dear All,

> > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

> >

> > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high

time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and

practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity.

It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person

should have a valid certificate to practice.

> > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

> >

> > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ouch! that hurts!

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 5:18:25 PM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-)

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer

methods?

>

> Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic

breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial

advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still

our schools teach the same economics that led to this failure.  

>  

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I

could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

>

> Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

>

> Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not

the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

>

> Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through

for the next 15 days.

>

> At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

>

> We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Santhosh,

> >

> > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine

system - which cannot be certified.

> >

> > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv

operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to

watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the

public in the name of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public

pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are

charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase

the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got

taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be

damned.

> >

> >

> > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There

are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there

were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public

went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction

went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages,

who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict

what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one

will be able to predict correctly.

> >

> > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or

is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

> >

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Dear Suresh ji,

> >

> > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of

astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to

guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy

way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

> >

> > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

> >

> > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is

still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in

Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the

astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought

uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam

year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender

and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you

know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i

wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to

create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future.

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> >

> > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Dear Santhosh,

> >

> > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know

the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you

can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some

even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations

(I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of

the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are

leagal in the eyes of the govt.

> >

> > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In

reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals

will burn if you take one spoonfull.

> >

> > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you

should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is

thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine

how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

> >

> > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

> >  

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> >

> > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> > Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Dear All,

> > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

> >

> > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high

time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and

practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity.

It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person

should have a valid certificate to practice.

> > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

> >

> > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

> >