Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 ??? RR_? , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Dada, > Occassions for interaction and involvelement arise as the discussion on the topic involved and the reference made used.At that point we do not understand or think of neighbours.winter times cup of tea is always is refreshing and that if one is not out of dungeons. > 1.We can not ignore composition of internet forums.This thread being shared is " for of tea " > Secondly > > 2.//already know or are too Jaded anyways!//Perhaps this is where concept of Ma helps and invigoartes for all of us to understand working of Other Nature. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:43 AM > > >  > > > > If sun were unbalanced and lop-sided, dada, would Bode's law operate as it does and predicted non-identified/ discovered planets? > > Unless the astrological sun that you talk and quote about is different from the sun that we wake up to and work under, most of us anyways? > > Long ago, I had an encounter with 'Sun-Factor' , that plagues Jyotishis (sudarshan chakra types) and tropical astrologers! I have written about it earlier. > > In Eysenck and Nias' book on astrology and superstition there is an european study quoted that *examined* the correlation of tropical sunsigns and professions and the conclusion was: They do not correlate reliably! > > I was a student in India back then (mid-70s) working on my thesis, but felt motivated to challenge the psychologist that brought some interesting and important insights and tests about intelligence and so forth. > > My question was simple: " Did this study, Dr. Eysenck, look at the correlation between profession, sun sign and 10th house rulership of SUN in the individual charts? And did it consider the fact that a large number of astrologers in India would have placed the SUN in a different sign, because there is a sidereal zodiac! " > > The kind European gentleman, and an admirable and admired scholar in his field, did write back! When they (E and N) were researching for their book, they did not hear back from any Indian astrologer! Essentially, they did not take into consideration JYOTISH! > > I was frankly quite taken aback! I was under the impression that through all those lectures and visits to Europe and USA, Prof. BV Raman had made sure that the voice of Jyotish was well-known or at least heard in the west! > > Then I read about Alan Leo, his correspondence with the Raman Family and then the utilization of the DWADs (dwadashamsha) in Tropical astrology and the whole concept about Harmonics! > > I suppose we all are Human beings, even though we talk about the DIVINE as if they were just recently here to share a pot of tea with us earthly folks! > > Don't waste time educating just your neighbours! They already know or are too Jaded anyways! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members. > > Plcement of Planets with reference to lagna in first seven signs of in visible half and the next seven commencing from7th(libra) .Such understanding however comes with bahva chart and makes it meaningful for the struggles(through saturn) and achievements( through sun). > > Sun gets exalted in Aries,is the first house Aries(kalpurusha Chakra.where as saturn exalts in 7th house,the first sign of visible half of kalchakra..AS all we know 7th sign is libra. > > Thus it denotes saturn and Sun in mutual opposition denotes rise in life only to fall. > > Sun symbolising for ego is bound to be self centered and lopsided and not judiciously balanced. > > These views of Shri H.R.Shankar certainly helpful for our further deliberationsLot has been conjured about the atmakaraka.soul and father etc.in this thread.Sun as the soul probably carries a lot of significance in our language of planets/symbols. > > Shri H.R.Shankar in A.M(Aug 1986) mentioned " Status of the Soul,that has taken in this Life " . > > Accordingly position of the Sun is PIVOTAL POINT in Horoscope... ....Lagna is > > the diurnal position of Sun > > Father (sun),the seed from which the life sprouts > > further: > > the kind of contribution each planet makes with reference to the Lagna or the soul detrmines whether it malefic or benific depending upon the manner in which (planets) help the soul to achieve it;s objective. > > These points of Shri H.R Shankar to ponder > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:35 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Lily > > > > as said by u also there r other factors that add or deduct the possible scene in case no accident combinations r not there no injuries > > > > similalry if sun is not in Asc or 4 or 6th over all health can be better. > > > > but as said these r stats with some research by some good astgros of the past golden era of astrologers > > > > e.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 11:37:52 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > Lilly > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Is It?Iam yet to find it?when? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM  Dear Krishnan_dada, I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a way! Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in a lifetime. Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with a karmic planet such as Gulika. I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE! May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find! Regards, Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Prashnt Ji, > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines. com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat ely AM family happened to be in distress. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Krishna ji > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better > > let us hope the material becomes public for all. > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Dear Members. > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! > > RR_, > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ .....> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > > > and one run by her brothers is > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@ > > > > > > ---- > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > Lilly > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Krishnan ji, My questions were posted in response to: /message/69589 Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing, full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff like that! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Is It?Iam yet to find it?when? > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Krishnan_dada, > > I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a way! > > Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in a lifetime. > > Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with a karmic planet such as Gulika. > > I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE! > > May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Prashnt Ji, > > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines. com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat ely AM family happened to be in distress. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji > > > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better > > > > let us hope the material becomes public for all. > > > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Dear Members. > > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. > > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, > > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM > > > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) > > > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > > > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > > > > > and one run by her brothers is > > > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@ > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Shri Rohini Ji, It has no pricing.It is an educative site of ICAS.They have archieves.For members it is accessible.I will get back to you please.Pl bear with me. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:37 AM  Dear Krishnan ji, My questions were posted in response to: http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ message/69589 Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing, full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff like that! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Is It?Iam yet to find it?when? > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Krishnan_dada, > > I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a way! > > Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in a lifetime. > > Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with a karmic planet such as Gulika. > > I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE! > > May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Prashnt Ji, > > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines. com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat ely AM family happened to be in distress. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji > > > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better > > > > let us hope the material becomes public for all. > > > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Dear Members. > > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. > > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, > > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM > > > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) > > > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > > > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > > > > > and one run by her brothers is > > > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@ > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 You better write to me privately or some self-appointed Daroga will attack us with his ego-stick again ;-) Jai Shani Maharaj! Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji, > It has no pricing.It is an educative site of ICAS.They have archieves.For members it is accessible.I will get back to you please.Pl bear with me. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:37 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > My questions were posted in response to: > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ message/69589 > > Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing, full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff > like that! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Is It?Iam yet to find it?when? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan_dada, > > > > I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a way! > > > > Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in a lifetime. > > > > Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with a karmic planet such as Gulika. > > > > I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE! > > > > May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prashnt Ji, > > > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines. com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat ely AM family happened to be in distress. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji > > > > > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better > > > > > > let us hope the material becomes public for all. > > > > > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. > > > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, > > > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM > > > > > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) > > > > > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > > > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > > > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > > > > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > > > > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > > > > > > > and one run by her brothers is > > > > > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Lilly, If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be working for you. Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! Regards, Nandini , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > Lilly > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > if I may. > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Nandani, Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. Lilly , " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > Regards, > Nandini > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > Lilly > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I did find the ICAS webpage, Dada (There are many ICASes but was easy to find using ICAS and Jyotish). Nice site, would be of great interest to beginners because they offer courses and diplomas/certificates but I could not find the archives button. Perhaps it shows up only after one becomes a member. Oh well -- one inspector and two constables so far ... and counting. My green bicycle escaped with minor dents only! What a terrible disaster in Haiti :-( You may wish to read Tatvamasi jee's posting on VA (link posted here by me). Rohiniranjan , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > You better write to me privately or some self-appointed Daroga will attack us with his ego-stick again ;-) > > Jai Shani Maharaj! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Ji, > > It has no pricing.It is an educative site of ICAS.They have archieves.For members it is accessible.I will get back to you please.Pl bear with me. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:37 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > My questions were posted in response to: > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ message/69589 > > > > Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing, full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff > > like that! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Is It?Iam yet to find it?when? > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan_dada, > > > > > > I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a way! > > > > > > Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in a lifetime. > > > > > > Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with a karmic planet such as Gulika. > > > > > > I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE! > > > > > > May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prashnt Ji, > > > > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines. com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat ely AM family happened to be in distress. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji > > > > > > > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better > > > > > > > > let us hope the material becomes public for all. > > > > > > > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. > > > > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, > > > > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM > > > > > > > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) > > > > > > > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > > > > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > > > > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > > > > > > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > > > > > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > > > > > > > > > and one run by her brothers is > > > > > > > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Sweetest divine children, Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. Yours truly, Amma , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Dear Nandani, > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > Lilly > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Dear Amma-jee! Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Sweetest divine children, > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > Yours truly, > Amma > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. Ammma , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Amma-jee! > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > Yours truly, > > Amma > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Dear Lilly Amma, If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > Ammma > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! Amma , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > Ammma > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 But dear Matajee :-) What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > Amma > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 MA always need extra beauty sleep so she is in a better mood the next day, and then all will be mangal in jungle.. Ma gives her special blessings to children who do more seva. Btn,I better pay more attention to my postings as Amma is closely guarded by the forum police! Amma , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > But dear Matajee :-) > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > > > Amma > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Sweetest Children, It's getting late and Amma needs her beauty rest, so goodnight!! Mind your manners while I am away, as I don't want to hear any complaints from the police ji tomorrow:-) Ma , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > But dear Matajee :-) > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > > > Amma > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Obviouly you remained asleep. Amma jee! When you (or anyone) say the prayers to the SUN (or others Gods and Devas)) do you really consider or expect that they are listening? When you sail a paper boat on the gentle and wonderful brook flowing in the enchanted forest, do you worry about how the brook shall react to your offering? NO! You offer the paper boat which you may never see or take back home, once the brook receives it -- as a gift, an offering! Almost as if you are thanking Nature! Just like the cup of coffee! Any service or gift must only be offered as an offering of GRAITUDE! Whether a nativity receiving a reading does that or a Jyotishi offering one does that! Anything else becomes an " investment " and kind of defeats the COSMIC purpose of such an energy exchange! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > MA always need extra beauty sleep so she is in a better mood the next day, and then all will be mangal in jungle.. > Ma gives her special blessings to children who do more seva. > > Btn,I better pay more attention to my postings as Amma is closely guarded by the forum police! > > Amma > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > But dear Matajee :-) > > > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) > > > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 WIMP! , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Sweetest Children, > > It's getting late and Amma needs her beauty rest, so goodnight!! > Mind your manners while I am away, as I don't want to hear any complaints from the police ji tomorrow:-) > > Ma > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > But dear Matajee :-) > > > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) > > > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. 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Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 As long as MA's spirit is hear, this forum will thrive and continue! Jai Hind! Mata O Mata tum he ho bhagya bidhata Ma , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > WIMP! > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Sweetest Children, > > > > It's getting late and Amma needs her beauty rest, so goodnight!! > > Mind your manners while I am away, as I don't want to hear any complaints from the police ji tomorrow:-) > > > > Ma > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > But dear Matajee :-) > > > > > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) > > > > > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > > > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > > > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > > > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > > > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Bingo! We managed to get rid of the keadubg AM from AMMA and now left with just the trailing MA! That basically is the general plan, Lilly! To get rid of the FAT and to focus on the CORE! Sweet Dreams!! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > > As long as MA's spirit is hear, this forum will thrive and continue! > Jai Hind! > Mata O Mata tum he ho bhagya bidhata > > Ma > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > WIMP! > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sweetest Children, > > > > > > It's getting late and Amma needs her beauty rest, so goodnight!! > > > Mind your manners while I am away, as I don't want to hear any complaints from the police ji tomorrow:-) > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > But dear Matajee :-) > > > > > > > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) > > > > > > > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > > > > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > > > > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > > > > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > > > > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > > > > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > > > > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya's home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > > > > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Dear Rohini Ji, " we " means all those who are not part of south india i suppose. 'cos here in south india we love it as amma with all fat which is nothing but love and which remains ma no matter which way you read am or ma. love you amma. regards santhosh  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, 14 January, 2010 10:26:49 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1  Bingo! We managed to get rid of the keadubg AM from AMMA and now left with just the trailing MA! That basically is the general plan, Lilly! To get rid of the FAT and to focus on the CORE! Sweet Dreams!! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > As long as MA's spirit is hear, this forum will thrive and continue! > Jai Hind! > Mata O Mata tum he ho bhagya bidhata > > Ma > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > WIMP! > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sweetest Children, > > > > > > It's getting late and Amma needs her beauty rest, so goodnight!! > > > Mind your manners while I am away, as I don't want to hear any complaints from the police ji tomorrow:-) > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > But dear Matajee :-) > > > > > > > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby learning early the joy of serving! :-) > > > > > > > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont hurt anyone Beta! > > > > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa Ji!! > > > > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay. > > > > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up before you pay him a visit. > > > > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children! > > > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma, > > > > > > > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to protect you or your rights of free speech! > > > > > > > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was welcomed in Shukrachaarya' s home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation! > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals (not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu! > > > > > > > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012, but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a ditch!! > > > > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell us ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the microcosmos! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children, > > > > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. > > > > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. > > > > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 next time you go on that wonderful trip, dont forget to send me an invite lilly regards Santhosh  ________________________________ Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Thu, 14 January, 2010 5:45:30 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1  Sweetest divine children, Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine more then others!).. Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time.. SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of joytish children. Yours truly, Amma , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Nandani, > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > Lilly > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Dear Lilly, yes some modern transalators have managed to give rahu and ketu ownership of some house, which even surya and chandra couldnt accomplish while distributing the rashis among the planets...so you might in all probability hear a quote from a classic which will be from some transalation.. regards santhosh  ________________________________ Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:03:00 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1  Dear Nandani, Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. Lilly , " nandini " <kakan_leo@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > Regards, > Nandini > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > Lilly > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 so are you saying that BPHS is corrupt? ;-) Most versions? Please explain and educate us, Santhosh jee! RR_, , Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > yes some modern transalators have managed to give rahu and ketu ownership of some house, which even surya and chandra couldnt accomplish while distributing the rashis among the planets...so you might in all probability hear a quote from a classic which will be from some transalation.. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > > > ________________________________ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005 > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:03:00 AM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > >  > > Dear Nandani, > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > Lilly > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime †" to experience the ONE and ONLY parent †" GOD!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Dear Rohini Ji, from your own articles you have said that there are so many versions of BPHS that it is difficult to say how many additions and deletions have taken place (not in these exact words of course-if i dont take this bail, you will ask me to tell you the article where this is stated so). hence, would like to use the word corrupt. I mean the transalations available today. are you saying that in the ORIGINAL sanskrit version rahu and ketu have been given ownership. my explanation ends here and let the seniors educate the juniors rather than the other way around. regards santhosh  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, 14 January, 2010 11:29:26 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1  so are you saying that BPHS is corrupt? ;-) Most versions? Please explain and educate us, Santhosh jee! RR_, , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > yes some modern transalators have managed to give rahu and ketu ownership of some house, which even surya and chandra couldnt accomplish while distributing the rashis among the planets...so you might in all probability hear a quote from a classic which will be from some transalation. . > > regards > santhosh > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:03:00 AM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > >  > > Dear Nandani, > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > Lilly > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime †" to experience the ONE and ONLY parent †" GOD!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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