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 // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in

this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //

 :By Prince Raj

You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who

demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in

hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of

the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is

the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record

the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out ;some doctors record the

time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors

record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself

disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with

tested rules(it may be rules of traditional astrology or any other rule) and

only competent & experienced astrologer can dare to rectify birth time if it is

required for his system.

In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not

recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others 

Reference in this regard is given here as reported by one K.P Astro.TW JI:

1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the old

A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification of

Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the

TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being

explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished.

 

2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi

but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although

the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned.

 

3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was

born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth,

3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @

5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart

was provided in details.

 

3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the

Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively.

 

Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl)

Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo)

 

4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or

III or latest IV for the BTR only.

 

5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader

III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I

shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on

them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research

scholars. "

 

I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.

 

 

Kindly read the article also :

                                        \

               The Lion Roars

                                        \

         " You and your Stars "

                                        \

          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist,Srilanka.

                                        \

          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS  &   K.P., Part II.1969-70

Edition.

                                        \

          In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:

                                

    Ques:     " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time

? First cry ?

                                        \

            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by

doctors(sic).

                                        \

            How do you reckon their time ? "

                                      Ans 

:   " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.

                                        \

            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops

                                        \

            feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the

moment the

                                        \

            child begins  to live outside the mother under natural

conditions is

                                        \

            the actual time. "

                                       

                                        \

            Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless

controversy.

 

                                        \

           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE...

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prince Raj <moodyboyz

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Respected RR ji

 

You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the

reality.

Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats

the problem, when i said faces i mean  real face which exist behind the face

which we show to people.

 

Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to

people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions.

And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about

doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet

nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know

themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.

 

There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in

this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has

become business to fake astrologers.

 

Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth

chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference,

see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it

corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart

was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it

corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to

prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the

correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time.

the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.

 

So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After

spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.

 

regards

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM

 

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

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 // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in

this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //

 :By Prince Raj

You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who

demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in

hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of

the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is

the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record

the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out ;some doctors record the

time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors

record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself

disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with

tested rules(it may be rules of traditional astrology or any other rule) and

only competent & experienced astrologer can dare to rectify birth time if it is

required for his system.

In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not

recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others 

Reference in this regard is given here as reported by one K.P Astro.TW JI:

//1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the

old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification

of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the

TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being

explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished.

 

2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi

but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although

the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned.

 

3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was

born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth,

3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @

5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart

was provided in details.

 

3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the

Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively.

 

Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl)

Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo)

 

4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or

III or latest IV for the BTR only.

 

5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader

III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I

shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on

them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research

scholars. "

 

I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.//

 

 

Kindly read the article also :

                                        \

               The Lion Roars

                                        \

         " You and your Stars "

                                        \

          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist,Srilanka.

                                        \

          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS  &   K.P., Part II.1969-70

Edition.

                                        \

          In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:

                                

    Ques:     " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time

? First cry ?

                                        \

            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by

doctors(sic).

                                        \

            How do you reckon their time ? "

                                      Ans 

:   " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.

                                        \

            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops

                                        \

            feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the

moment the

                                        \

            child begins  to live outside the mother under natural

conditions is

                                        \

            the actual time. "

                                       

                                        \

            Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless

controversy.

 

                                        \

           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE...

With thanks & regards, 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prince Raj <moodyboyz

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Respected RR ji

 

You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the

reality.

Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats

the problem, when i said faces i mean  real face which exist behind the face

which we show to people.

 

Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to

people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions.

And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about

doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet

nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know

themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.

 

There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in

this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has

become business to fake astrologers.

 

Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth

chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference,

see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it

corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart

was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it

corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to

prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the

correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time.

the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.

 

So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After

spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.

 

regards

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM

 

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

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Share on other sites

 // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in

this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //

 :By Prince Raj

You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who

demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in

hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of

the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is

the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record

the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out;some doctors record the

time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors

record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself

disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with

tested rules and only competent astrologer can rectify birth time if it is

required.

In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not

recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others 

Reference in this regard is given here as reported by TW JI:

//1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the

old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification

of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the

TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being

explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished.

 

2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi

but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although

the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned.

 

3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was

born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth,

3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @

5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart

was provided in details.

 

3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the

Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively.

 

Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl)

Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo)

 

4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or

III or latest IV for the BTR only.

 

5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader

III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I

shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can

rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research

scholars. "

 

I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.//

 

 

Kindly read the article :

                                        \

               The Lion Roars

                                        \

         " You and your Stars "

                                        \

          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist,Srilanka.

                                        \

          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS  &   K.P., Part II.1969-70

Edition.

                                        \

          In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:

                                

    Ques:     " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time

? First cry ?

                                        \

            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by

doctors(sic).

                                        \

            How do you reckon their time ? "

                                      Ans 

:   " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.

                                        \

            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops

                                        \

            feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the

moment the

                                        \

            child begins  to live outside the mother under natural

conditions is

                                        \

            the actual time. "

                                       

                                        \

            Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless

controversy.

 

                                        \

           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE...

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prince Raj <moodyboyz

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Respected RR ji

 

You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the

reality.

Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats

the problem, when i said faces i mean  real face which exist behind the face

which we show to people.

 

Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to

people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions.

And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about

doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet

nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know

themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.

 

There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in

this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has

become business to fake astrologers.

 

Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth

chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference,

see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it

corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart

was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it

corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to

prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the

correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time.

the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.

 

So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After

spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.

 

regards

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM

 

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

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Frineds,

The correct birth time of many legendaries was always a subject of

discussion.Even lattest we had problem with reference to last(2004) General

Rlections and BJP returning to power.The strongest anticipation was that the

Prime Minsiter would be Shri A.B.Vajpayee.Even I was in the dias whe a renowned

based on the data conveyed that it would be beyond any doubt .

Things went wrong.Hstory now was otherwise.Several Astrologer even on the basis

of parshana anlysed gave accurate results.Not based on the DOB/TOB as given to

media.Never such info was never found to be correct.Not in one case and even

including the case lattest American President.

2.The procedures for verification of birth data and giving predictions is in

vogue in Astrology and even KP Astrology too tried to systemise as per

events.The accuracy of predictions of such procedures and consistency and on the

other side professional charges extracted made Jyotish a controversial

profession questionig it's credibility.

3.Also the Internet forums too have become vulnerable as many professionals do

offer services and their genuine services are always a matter raising

controversy.

4.Finall making the jyotish validity being questioned in courts and initiate

regulation to save the sanctity of services and avoid explotation of innocent

people.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:53 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in

this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //

 :By Prince Raj

You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who

demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in

hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of

the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is

the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record

the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out;some doctors record the

time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors

record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself

disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with

tested rules and only competent astrologer can rectify birth time if it is

required.

In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not

recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others 

Reference in this regard is given here as reported by TW JI:

//1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the

old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification

of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the

TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being

explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished.

 

2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi

but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although

the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned.

 

3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was

born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth,

3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @

5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart

was provided in details.

 

3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the

Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively.

 

Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl)

Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo)

 

4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or

III or latest IV for the BTR only.

 

5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader

III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I

shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can

rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research

scholars. "

 

I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.//

 

Kindly read the article :

                                        \

               The Lion Roars

                                        \

         " You and your Stars "

                                        \

          by Mr.. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist, Srilanka.

                                        \

          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS  &   K.P., Part II.1969-70

Edition.

                                        \

          In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:

                                

    Ques:     " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time

? First cry ?

                                        \

            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by

doctors(sic) .

                                        \

            How do you reckon their time ? "

                                      Ans 

:   " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.

                                        \

            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops

                                        \

            feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the

moment the

                                        \

            child begins  to live outside the mother under natural

conditions is

                                        \

            the actual time. "

                                       

                                        \

            Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless

controversy.

 

                                        \

           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE...

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prince Raj <moodyboyz >

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Respected RR ji

 

You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the

reality.

Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats

the problem, when i said faces i mean  real face which exist behind the face

which we show to people.

 

Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to

people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions.

And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about

doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet

nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know

themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.

 

There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in

this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has

become business to fake astrologers.

 

Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth

chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference,

see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it

corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart

was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it

corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to

prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the

correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time.

the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.

 

So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After

spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.

 

regards

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM

 

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest.. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton..

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

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The pain or pleasure is always in the context! The words themselves are amoral

and neutral! How we use those or perceive those makes the difference between a

friendly banter and an insult ;-)

 

RR_,

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Ouch! that hurts!

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Tue, January 12, 2010 5:18:25 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-)

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji,

> >

> > do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer

methods?

> >

> > Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic

breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial

advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still

our schools teach the same economics that led to this failure.  

> >  

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM

> > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I

could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

> >

> > Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

> >

> > Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not

the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

> >

> > Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through

for the next 15 days.

> >

> > At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

> >

> > We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Santhosh,

> > >

> > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine

system - which cannot be certified.

> > >

> > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv

operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to

watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the

public in the name of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public

pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are

charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase

the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got

taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be

damned.

> > >

> > >

> > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds.

There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact

there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited

public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his

prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the

sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can

predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because

no one will be able to predict correctly.

> > >

> > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or

is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> > > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > >

> > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of

astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to

guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy

way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

> > >

> > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate

and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

> > >

> > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is

still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in

Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the

astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought

uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam

year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender

and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you

know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i

wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to

create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > >

> > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> > > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Santhosh,

> > >

> > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat

the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it

sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous

for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know

the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you

can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some

even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations

(I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of

the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are

leagal in the eyes of the govt.

> > >

> > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In

reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals

will burn if you take one spoonfull.

> > >

> > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that

you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham-

which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste.

You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all

legal.

> > >

> > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

> > >  

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> > > Important PIL against astrology

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear All,

> > > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

> > >

> > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high

time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and

practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity.

It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person

should have a valid certificate to practice.

> > > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine

science has been maligned.

> > >

> > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

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Once at a social gathering one rich gentlman also a well known social worker

said,

your family is my family

your pain is my pain

your money is my money

 A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Wed, January 13, 2010 4:28:08 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

The pain or pleasure is always in the context! The words themselves are amoral

and neutral! How we use those or perceive those makes the difference between a

friendly banter and an insult ;-)

 

RR_,

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Ouch! that hurts!

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Tue, January 12, 2010 5:18:25 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-)

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji,

> >

> > do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you

invented newer methods?

> >

> > Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic

breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " ,

financial advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part

is still our schools teach the same economics that led to this failure.

 

> >  

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM

> > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I

could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

> >

> > Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

> >

> > Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not

the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

> >

> > Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through

for the next 15 days.

> >

> > At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

> >

> > We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Santhosh,

> > >

> > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of

this divine system - which cannot be certified.

> > >

> > > A few years one gentleman went to

court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is

charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the

way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of

regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for

channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are

charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase

the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the

govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let

the public be damned.

> > >

> > >

> > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and

frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds &

cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years,

where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer

just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have

to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

> > >

> > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger

interest. Or is it the interest of a few to control the

larger?  

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> > > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > >

> > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of

astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to

guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy

way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

> > >

> > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate

and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

> > >

> > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is

still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in

Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the

astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought

uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam

year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender

and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you

know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of

this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting

together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the

future.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > >

> > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> > > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Santhosh,

> > >

> > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat

the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it

sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous

for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who

infact know the secrets of the system.

Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails

of it. Some even resort to

mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations

(I have known such doctors) to speed up

recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the

govt.

> > >

> > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In

reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals

will burn if you take one spoonfull.

> > >

> > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell

you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of

Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is

sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has

turned into. But they are all legal.

> > >

> > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

> > >  

> > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> > >

> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> > > Important PIL against astrology

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear All,

> > > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

> > >

> > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high

time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and

practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity.

It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person

should have a valid certificate to practice.

> > > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine

science has been maligned.

> > >

> > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >

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Isn't that the reason why psychics/side-kicks who believe in astrology being a

FAITH or religion feel so comfortable in charging fees from those who are

hurting? On the TV Channels and suchlike? ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Once at a social gathering one rich gentlman also a well known social worker

said,

> your family is my family

> your pain is my pain

> your money is my money

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Wed, January 13, 2010 4:28:08 AM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> The pain or pleasure is always in the context! The words themselves are amoral

and neutral! How we use those or perceive those makes the difference between a

friendly banter and an insult ;-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Ouch! that hurts!

> >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:18:25 PM

> > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> >

> >  

> > I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-)

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you

invented newer methods?

> > >

> > > Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of

economic breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management

" experts " , financial advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group.

The sad part is still our schools teach the same economics that led to this

failure.  

> > >  

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM

> > > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> > >

> > >  

> > > Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I

could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

> > >

> > > Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all

the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately

and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the

next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be

surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

> > >

> > > Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and

not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into

silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get

feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind

of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental

activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc

etc.

> > >

> > > Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go

through for the next 15 days.

> > >

> > > At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

> > >

> > > We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Santhosh,

> > > >

> > > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which

you visualise toÃÆ'‚ be good, will infact be the death of

thisÃÆ'‚ divine system - which cannot be certified.

> > > >

> > > > A few yearsÃÆ'‚ one gentleman went to

courtÃÆ'‚ agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is

chargedÃÆ'‚ for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the

way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of

regulations-ÃÆ'‚  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for

channels that he ÃÆ'‚ does not watch - because these channels are

charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase

the group. Who won ? surely not the public, itÃÆ'‚ is the

govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let

the public be damned.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The need to makeÃÆ'‚ the public aware of true systems and

frauds. There are alreadyÃÆ'‚ legal methods to counter frauds &

cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years,

where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer

just because his prediction went wrong.ÃÆ'‚ If so, you will have

to arrestÃÆ'‚ even the sages, whoÃÆ'‚ already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

> > > >

> > > > Frustrations of few should not be usedÃÆ'‚ against larger

interest. Or is it the interest ofÃÆ'‚ a few to control the

larger? ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > > >

> > > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of

astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to

guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy

way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

> > > >

> > > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate

and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

> > > >

> > > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is

still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in

Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the

astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought

uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam

year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender

and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you

know all this. it was forÃÆ'‚ others who may not be aware of

this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting

together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the

future.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > >

> > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > Dear Santhosh,

> > > >

> > > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat

the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it

sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous

for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

hasÃÆ'‚ vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who

infactÃÆ'‚ know the secrets of the system.

TodayÃÆ'‚ that breed is fast disapearing and you can

findÃÆ'‚ degree holders who don't know head or tails

ofÃÆ'‚ it. Some even resort to

mixingÃÆ'‚ allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations

(IÃÆ'‚ have known suchÃÆ'‚ doctors) to speed up

recovery.ÃÆ'‚ 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic

preparations are fraud but they are leagalÃÆ'‚ in the eyes of the

govt.

> > > >

> > > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In

reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals

will burn if you take one spoonfull.

> > > >

> > > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell

youÃÆ'‚ that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of

Chanvanaprasham- whichÃÆ'‚ is thick solid mass. But today what is

sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has

turned into. But they are all legal.

> > > >

> > > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands. ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> > > > Important PIL against astrology

> > > >

> > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological

prediciton. Please see link below

> > > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

> > > >

> > > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high

time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and

practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity.

It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person

should have a valid certificate to practice.

> > > > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine

science has been maligned.

> > > >

> > > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > > >

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Respected Dhirendra ji

 

If proofs would have been with me ,  I would have deifinitly unvield his/her

name. That chat was recorded unfortunately. But dont worry I did not pay him, as

he/she was not able to satisfy me with my past incidents and he/she is reading

this discussion ...... thats what I said  in my previous email " Astrologers(

not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to people but to

the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions. "

 

//NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT//

 

Sir , here there were no arguments on BTR, we were discussing the genuineness

and fakeness of atrologers. I repeat again there were no arguments only

discussions that too on different topic , Because what people call " Congestion "

in the Train , becomes " Atmosphere " in the night club. Its all about perception.

 

regards

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:23 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in

this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //

 :By Prince Raj

You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who

demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in

hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of

the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is

the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record

the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out;some doctors record the

time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors

record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself

disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with

tested rules and only competent astrologer can rectify birth time if it is

required.

In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not

recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others 

Reference in this regard is given here as reported by TW JI:

//1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the

old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification

of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the

TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being

explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished.

 

2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi

but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although

the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned.

 

3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was

born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth,

3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @

5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart

was provided in details.

 

3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the

Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively.

 

Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl)

Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo)

 

4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or

III or latest IV for the BTR only.

 

5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader

III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I

shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can

rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research

scholars. "

 

I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.//

 

Kindly read the article :

                                        \

               The Lion Roars

                                        \

         " You and your Stars "

                                        \

          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist, Srilanka.

                                        \

          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS  &   K.P., Part II.1969-70

Edition.

                                        \

          In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:

                                

    Ques:     " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time

? First cry ?

                                        \

            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by

doctors(sic) .

                                        \

            How do you reckon their time ? "

                                      Ans 

:   " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.

                                        \

            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops

                                        \

            feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the

moment the

                                        \

            child begins  to live outside the mother under natural

conditions is

                                        \

            the actual time. "

                                       

                                        \

            Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless

controversy.

 

                                        \

           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE...

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prince Raj <moodyboyz >

 

Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

 

Respected RR ji

 

You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the

reality.

Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats

the problem, when i said faces i mean  real face which exist behind the face

which we show to people.

 

Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to

people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions.

And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about

doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet

nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know

themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.

 

There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in

this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has

become business to fake astrologers.

 

Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth

chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference,

see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it

corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart

was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it

corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to

prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the

correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time.

the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.

 

So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After

spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.

 

regards

 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Re: Important PIL against astrology

 

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM

 

 

 

Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could

have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-))

 

Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the

astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in

details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15

days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised

(negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed!

 

Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the

pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do

this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from

in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they

will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high

and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc.

 

Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for

the next 15 days.

 

At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then

decide!

 

We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other

assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!).

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you

visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system -

which cannot be certified.

>

> A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator

alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved

the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name

of regulations-  cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that

he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you

want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not

the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to

control the industries - Let the public be damned.

>

>

> The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are

already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few

cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to

court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went

wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have

declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they

is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict

correctly.

>

> Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it

the interest of a few to control the larger?  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Suresh ji,

>

> I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro

how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess,

but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to

make money and it will definitely attract the frauds.

>

> What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and

then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the

complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL

may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there

will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in

place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this

'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat?

>

> long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still

so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam

(the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers

deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many

things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this

year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla

varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was

for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the

importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been

done in the past and can be done in the future.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM

> Re: Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the

public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype.

This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for

traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt

has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets

of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can

find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort

to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known

such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell

ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt.

>

> For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality,

if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will

burn if you take one spoonfull.

>

> Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should

take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid

mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how

adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal.

>

> One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional

science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  

>  

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM

> Important PIL against astrology

>

>  

> Dear All,

> A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.

Please see link below

> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not-

on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms

>

> I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time

we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise

medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is

possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should

have a valid certificate to practice.

> This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science

has been maligned.

>

> I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you

cannot ignore this.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

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