Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010  // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //  :By Prince Raj You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out ;some doctors record the time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with tested rules(it may be rules of traditional astrology or any other rule) and only competent & experienced astrologer can dare to rectify birth time if it is required for his system. In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others Reference in this regard is given here as reported by one K.P Astro.TW JI: 1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished. 2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned. 3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth, 3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @ 5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart was provided in details. 3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively. Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl) Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo) 4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or III or latest IV for the BTR only. 5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research scholars. " I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that. Kindly read the article also :                                         \               The Lion Roars                                         \         " You and your Stars "                                         \          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist,Srilanka.                                         \          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS &  K.P., Part II.1969-70 Edition.                                         \           In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:                                     Ques:    " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time ? First cry ?                                         \            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by doctors(sic).                                         \             How do you reckon their time ? "                                      Ans :  " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.                                         \            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops                                         \           feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the moment the                                         \           child begins  to live outside the mother under natural conditions is                                         \            the actual time. "                                                                                \           Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless controversy.                                          \           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE... With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Prince Raj <moodyboyz Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM Re: Important PIL against astrology  Respected RR ji  You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the reality. Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats the problem, when i said faces i mean real face which exist behind the face which we show to people.  Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions. And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.  There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has become business to fake astrologers. Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference, see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time. the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.  So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.  regards --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Important PIL against astrology Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM  Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Santhosh, > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which cannot be certified. > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Suresh ji, > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Santhosh, > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt. > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  >  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear All, > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton. Please see link below > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > regards > santhosh > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010  // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //  :By Prince Raj You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out ;some doctors record the time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with tested rules(it may be rules of traditional astrology or any other rule) and only competent & experienced astrologer can dare to rectify birth time if it is required for his system. In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others Reference in this regard is given here as reported by one K.P Astro.TW JI: //1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished. 2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned. 3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth, 3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @ 5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart was provided in details. 3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively. Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl) Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo) 4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or III or latest IV for the BTR only. 5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research scholars. " I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.// Kindly read the article also :                                         \               The Lion Roars                                         \         " You and your Stars "                                         \          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist,Srilanka.                                         \          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS &  K.P., Part II.1969-70 Edition.                                         \           In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:                                     Ques:    " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time ? First cry ?                                         \            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by doctors(sic).                                         \             How do you reckon their time ? "                                      Ans :  " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.                                         \            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops                                         \           feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the moment the                                         \           child begins  to live outside the mother under natural conditions is                                         \            the actual time. "                                                                                \           Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless controversy.                                          \           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE... With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Prince Raj <moodyboyz Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM Re: Important PIL against astrology  Respected RR ji  You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the reality. Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats the problem, when i said faces i mean real face which exist behind the face which we show to people.  Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions. And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.  There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has become business to fake astrologers. Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference, see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time. the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.  So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.  regards --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Important PIL against astrology Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM  Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Santhosh, > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which cannot be certified. > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Suresh ji, > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Santhosh, > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt. > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  >  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear All, > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton. Please see link below > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > regards > santhosh > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010  // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //  :By Prince Raj You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out;some doctors record the time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with tested rules and only competent astrologer can rectify birth time if it is required. In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others Reference in this regard is given here as reported by TW JI: //1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished. 2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned. 3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth, 3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @ 5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart was provided in details. 3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively. Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl) Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo) 4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or III or latest IV for the BTR only. 5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research scholars. " I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.// Kindly read the article :                                         \               The Lion Roars                                         \         " You and your Stars "                                         \          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist,Srilanka.                                         \          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS &  K.P., Part II.1969-70 Edition.                                         \           In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:                                     Ques:    " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time ? First cry ?                                         \            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by doctors(sic).                                         \             How do you reckon their time ? "                                      Ans :  " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.                                         \            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops                                         \           feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the moment the                                         \           child begins  to live outside the mother under natural conditions is                                         \            the actual time. "                                                                                \           Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless controversy.                                          \           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE... With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Prince Raj <moodyboyz Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM Re: Important PIL against astrology  Respected RR ji  You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the reality. Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats the problem, when i said faces i mean real face which exist behind the face which we show to people.  Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions. And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.  There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has become business to fake astrologers. Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference, see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time. the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.  So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.  regards --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Important PIL against astrology Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM  Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Santhosh, > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which cannot be certified. > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Suresh ji, > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Santhosh, > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt. > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  >  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear All, > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton. Please see link below > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > regards > santhosh > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Frineds, The correct birth time of many legendaries was always a subject of discussion.Even lattest we had problem with reference to last(2004) General Rlections and BJP returning to power.The strongest anticipation was that the Prime Minsiter would be Shri A.B.Vajpayee.Even I was in the dias whe a renowned based on the data conveyed that it would be beyond any doubt . Things went wrong.Hstory now was otherwise.Several Astrologer even on the basis of parshana anlysed gave accurate results.Not based on the DOB/TOB as given to media.Never such info was never found to be correct.Not in one case and even including the case lattest American President. 2.The procedures for verification of birth data and giving predictions is in vogue in Astrology and even KP Astrology too tried to systemise as per events.The accuracy of predictions of such procedures and consistency and on the other side professional charges extracted made Jyotish a controversial profession questionig it's credibility. 3.Also the Internet forums too have become vulnerable as many professionals do offer services and their genuine services are always a matter raising controversy. 4.Finall making the jyotish validity being questioned in courts and initiate regulation to save the sanctity of services and avoid explotation of innocent people. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Re: Important PIL against astrology Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:53 AM   // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //  :By Prince Raj You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out;some doctors record the time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with tested rules and only competent astrologer can rectify birth time if it is required. In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others Reference in this regard is given here as reported by TW JI: //1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished. 2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned. 3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth, 3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @ 5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart was provided in details. 3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively. Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl) Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo) 4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or III or latest IV for the BTR only. 5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research scholars. " I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.// Kindly read the article :                                         \               The Lion Roars                                         \         " You and your Stars "                                         \          by Mr.. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist, Srilanka.                                         \          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS &  K.P., Part II.1969-70 Edition.                                         \           In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:                                     Ques:    " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time ? First cry ?                                         \            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by doctors(sic) .                                         \             How do you reckon their time ? "                                      Ans :  " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.                                         \            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops                                         \           feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the moment the                                         \           child begins  to live outside the mother under natural conditions is                                         \            the actual time. "                                                                                \           Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless controversy.                                          \           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE... With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Prince Raj <moodyboyz > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM Re: Important PIL against astrology  Respected RR ji  You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the reality. Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats the problem, when i said faces i mean real face which exist behind the face which we show to people.  Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions. And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.  There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has become business to fake astrologers. Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference, see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time. the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.  So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.  regards --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Important PIL against astrology Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM  Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Santhosh, > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which cannot be certified. > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest.. Or is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Suresh ji, > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Santhosh, > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt. > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  >  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear All, > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton.. Please see link below > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > regards > santhosh > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 The pain or pleasure is always in the context! The words themselves are amoral and neutral! How we use those or perceive those makes the difference between a friendly banter and an insult ;-) RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Ouch! that hurts! >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:18:25 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer methods? > > > > Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still our schools teach the same economics that led to this failure.  > >  > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > >  > > Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) > > > > Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! > > > > Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. > > > > Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. > > > > At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! > > > > We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Santhosh, > > > > > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which cannot be certified. > > > > > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > > > > > > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > > > > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji, > > > > > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > > > > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > > > > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > > > >  > > > Dear Santhosh, > > > > > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt. > > > > > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > > > > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > > > > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  > > >  > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > > > Important PIL against astrology > > > > > >  > > > Dear All, > > > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton. Please see link below > > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > > > > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > > > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > > > > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Once at a social gathering one rich gentlman also a well known social worker said, your family is my family your pain is my pain your money is my money  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Wed, January 13, 2010 4:28:08 AM Re: Important PIL against astrology  The pain or pleasure is always in the context! The words themselves are amoral and neutral! How we use those or perceive those makes the difference between a friendly banter and an insult ;-) RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Ouch! that hurts! >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:18:25 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer methods? > > > > Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still our schools teach the same economics that led to this failure.  > >  > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > >  > > Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) > > > > Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! > > > > Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. > > > > Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. > > > > At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! > > > > We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Santhosh, > > > > > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which cannot be certified. > > > > > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > > > > > > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > > > > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > > > >  > > > Dear Suresh ji, > > > > > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > > > > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > > > > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > > > >  > > > Dear Santhosh, > > > > > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt. > > > > > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > > > > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > > > > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  > > >  > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > > > Important PIL against astrology > > > > > >  > > > Dear All, > > > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton. Please see link below > > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > > > > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > > > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > > > > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Isn't that the reason why psychics/side-kicks who believe in astrology being a FAITH or religion feel so comfortable in charging fees from those who are hurting? On the TV Channels and suchlike? ;-) Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Once at a social gathering one rich gentlman also a well known social worker said, > your family is my family > your pain is my pain > your money is my money >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Wed, January 13, 2010 4:28:08 AM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > The pain or pleasure is always in the context! The words themselves are amoral and neutral! How we use those or perceive those makes the difference between a friendly banter and an insult ;-) > > RR_, > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Ouch! that hurts! > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:18:25 PM > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > >  > > I never rubbed nails. I generally hammer them down! ;-) > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > do you still rub the nails against stone walls or have you invented newer methods? > > > > > > Why astrological predictions alone? what we saw recently of economic breakdown is the utter failure of worlds top management " experts " , financial advisors, IIM's, economists. The most highly paid group. The sad part is still our schools teach the same economics that led to this failure.  > > >  > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 6:21:27 AM > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > > > >  > > > Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) > > > > > > Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! > > > > > > Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. > > > > > > Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. > > > > > > At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! > > > > > > We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Santhosh, > > > > > > > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise toÃÆ'‚ be good, will infact be the death of thisÃÆ'‚ divine system - which cannot be certified. > > > > > > > > A few yearsÃÆ'‚ one gentleman went to courtÃÆ'‚ agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is chargedÃÆ'‚ for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations-ÃÆ'‚ cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he ÃÆ'‚ does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, itÃÆ'‚ is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > > > > > > > > > > The need to makeÃÆ'‚ the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are alreadyÃÆ'‚ legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong.ÃÆ'‚ If so, you will have to arrestÃÆ'‚ even the sages, whoÃÆ'‚ already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > > > > > > > Frustrations of few should not be usedÃÆ'‚ against larger interest. Or is it the interest ofÃÆ'‚ a few to control the larger? ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear Suresh ji, > > > > > > > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > > > > > > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > > > > > > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was forÃÆ'‚ others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > > > > Re: Important PIL against astrology > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear Santhosh, > > > > > > > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt hasÃÆ'‚ vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infactÃÆ'‚ know the secrets of the system. TodayÃÆ'‚ that breed is fast disapearing and you can findÃÆ'‚ degree holders who don't know head or tails ofÃÆ'‚ it. Some even resort to mixingÃÆ'‚ allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (IÃÆ'‚ have known suchÃÆ'‚ doctors) to speed up recovery.ÃÆ'‚ 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagalÃÆ'‚ in the eyes of the govt. > > > > > > > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > > > > > > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell youÃÆ'‚ that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- whichÃÆ'‚ is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > > > > > > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > > > > Important PIL against astrology > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear All, > > > > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton. Please see link below > > > > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > > > > > > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > > > > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > > > > > > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Respected Dhirendra ji  If proofs would have been with me , I would have deifinitly unvield his/her name. That chat was recorded unfortunately. But dont worry I did not pay him, as he/she was not able to satisfy me with my past incidents and he/she is reading this discussion ...... thats what I said in my previous email " Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions. "  //NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT//  Sir , here there were no arguments on BTR, we were discussing the genuineness and fakeness of atrologers. I repeat again there were no arguments only discussions that too on different topic , Because what people call " Congestion " in the Train , becomes " Atmosphere " in the night club. Its all about perception.  regards  --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Re: Important PIL against astrology Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:23 PM   // then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. //  :By Prince Raj You should have disclosed the name of professional Astrologer with proof who demanded money for BTR in this group and how do you know that recorded time in hospital is correct birth time.Did the doctor record the time of severance of the baby from the mother? The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.Severance may be by any means.Some doctors generally record the time of the moment when head of the baby comes out;some doctors record the time of first cry of baby whereas some times babies do not cry;some doctors record the time of cutting of umblical chord.Recording of time is itself disputed.That is why rectification of birth time is required in accordance with tested rules and only competent astrologer can rectify birth time if it is required. In India even birth time of late priminister Smt. Indira Gandhi Ji was not recorded correctly and further it was rectified by KSK Ji and others Reference in this regard is given here as reported by TW JI: //1. A KP brother asks me about any Guruji KSK's rectification article in the old A & A magazines. Perhaps the only article as far as I know is rectification of Mrs. Indira Gandhi's chart in July 1971 issue of A & A where he rectified the TOB and dealt at length with about a dozen of events in her past life being explained, how those events bore relation to the horoscope he had furnished. 2. It is learned that rectification was done on 3 May 1971 at 13:08 IST at Delhi but it is not clearly known how he arrived at the rectified birth time although the RP-based BTR and Prenatal epoch theory were mentioned. 3. Mrs. Indira Gandhi, according to the late Guruji KSK's rectified time, was born on the 19th November 1917 at Allahabad at 11-39 16 pm. At her birth, 3°-42' in Leo (Simha) was rising in the lagna. Moon was placed in Makara @ 5:51. Balance of Sun Dasa balance at birth : 1Y, 10M, 12D. The calculated chart was provided in details. 3. The Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Mars, do NOT appear as the Moon's star lord and sublord, Sun, Mercury, respectively. Asc….Le 3:42 (Sun-Ket-Moo- Mar) (Sgl-Stl-Sbl- Ssl) Moon Cp 5:51 (Sat-Sun-Mer- Moo) 4. This article is not reprinted anywhere in the Astrosecrets and KP Part II or III or latest IV for the BTR only. 5. Only 'at the end' of his Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2 of 1966 or KP Reader III, the sole forceful words user Guruji says, " I shall give some of the methods which are available. How far you can rely on them, is entirely to you, to the readers and scholar and to the research scholars. " I'm sorry for not being able to help my KP brother more than that.// Kindly read the article :                                         \               The Lion Roars                                         \         " You and your Stars "                                         \          by Mr. Kandiah Thiru...Journalist, Srilanka.                                         \          Ref : Pp 30-37.,ASTROSECRETS &  K.P., Part II.1969-70 Edition.                                         \           In an extract of an interview KSK was asked ...:                                     Ques:    " There is a snag about Birth Charts.What is the Birth Time ? First cry ?                                         \            Nowadays,you know,many children are forced out by doctors(sic) .                                         \             How do you reckon their time ? "                                      Ans :  " The time of severance of the child from the mother is the time of birth.                                         \            Severance may be by any means.The moment the mother stops                                         \           feeding  the child through the circulatory system,or the moment the                                         \           child begins  to live outside the mother under natural conditions is                                         \            the actual time. "                                                                                \           Hopefully this puts an end to ALL this utterly needless controversy.                                          \           NO MORE ARGUMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE... With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Prince Raj <moodyboyz > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:41:09 AM Re: Important PIL against astrology  Respected RR ji  You are forcing me to be fan of you........ you are so humble and accept the reality. Most of the people in this world dont like to see their faces in mirror thats the problem, when i said faces i mean real face which exist behind the face which we show to people.  Astrologers( not all , so i hope nobody will take it personally) may lie to people but to the inner part they know that they are making fake predictions. And above all they are not able to see their own chart.... you are talking about doing a experiment on the chart of person for next fifteen days... I can bet nobody can do this experiment even on their own chart. I hope they do know themseleves well and will do humble analysis atleast for their own chart.  There is saying " ek machali pure talab to ganda karti hai " , but it seems in this talab there are only few fishes which are trying to clean it. It has become business to fake astrologers. Here I would like to share my experiences, at the time of my birth the birth chart made was completely wrong (original birth chart is attached for reference, see the position of moon in langa and chandra kundali..... lol), then we got it corrected at the time of my marriage ( you will surprise that new casted chart was also wrong, i came to know about this at later stage) , then again I got it corrected and some other astrologer (from here only in this group) tried to prove it wrong and asked money for BTR. This forced me to go and check the correct time in hospital.In the records I found the different time. the records say 15.10.1977 and time 00:05:00.  So RR ji tell me to whome we should believe and to whome we should not. After spending a lot of money I am at the place , where so much confused.  regards --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Important PIL against astrology Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:21 AM  Hmmm... I should have read your posting (this one) before I wrote mine! I could have saved my keyboard the agony (need to trim down my nails!! ;-)) Actually, the problem is even more basic than we think of it as. If all the astrologers of the world could be given a challenge to predict accurately and in details of all or as many things a person would experience during the next 15 days, for instance -- and then the performance reviewed, we may be surprised (negatively! ) as to how poorly we all performed! Before anyone brings out the MACE (the ancient kind -- Bheem's Gada and not the pepper spray that some MAs carry these days...!) to club me into silence, do this experiment on a chart of a person you know well and can get feedback from in details. Divide each day in 4-6 segments and predict what kind of food they will eat, what kind of dreams, level of physical activity, mental activity, high and low points, positive achievements, negative experiences, etc etc. Tell the person to keep a reasonably detailed record of what they go through for the next 15 days. At the end of 15 days, compare notes, honestly and transparently and then decide! We are not there yet! NONE of us!! Including the TV evangelists and other assorted Sages and Mahatmas (Great souls!). Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Santhosh, > > I can also understand your sentiments. But on the broader side, Which you visualise to be good, will infact be the death of this divine system - which cannot be certified. > > A few years one gentleman went to court agaist cable tv operator alleging that he is charged for channels he did not want to watch. This paved the way for the govt to bring regulations - nay exploit the public in the name of regulations- cas, dth came. but still the public pays for channels that he  does not watch - because these channels are charged in groups - so if you want to watch one channel, you have to purchase the group. Who won ? surely not the public, it is the govt(who got taxes) and the companies who wants to control the industries - Let the public be damned. > > > The need to make the public aware of true systems and frauds. There are already legal methods to counter frauds & cheating. In fact there were a few cases in kerala in the last 2 - 3 years, where the exploited public went to court. But you can't charge an astrologer just because his prediction went wrong. If so, you will have to arrest even the sages, who already have declared that no one other than brahma(?) can predict what will happen. so they is no other way that to ban Astrology because no one will be able to predict correctly. > > Frustrations of few should not be used against larger interest. Or is it the interest of a few to control the larger?  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 5:24:08 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Suresh ji, > > I do understand your stand. but out of all the current practitioners of astro how many % do you think even know the basics? i know it is difficult to guess, but mere common sense will suggest it has a very very high as it an easy way to make money and it will definitely attract the frauds. > > What prevents the traditional astrologers in taking a basic certificate and then using his inguinity in predicting? what i am saying is to prevent the complete dissolution of this devine science something has to be done. This PIL may be quashed in all probability. then there will be another PIL. then there will be a govt who might want to act. dont you think sir, that we have to put in place some sort of self -regulation at least? the issue will be who is this 'we'? isnt it? like they say, who will bell the cat? > > long back in kerala, different types of panchangas were followed. it is still so in other states. Then the king called a meeting of all astrologers in Kollam (the current district of Quilon in kerala). In this meet he made the astrologers deliberates on all differring issues and this meet brought uniformity on many things. That year is known as the Kollavarsha. Or Kollam year. Even today this year is followed in kerala and now the georgeon callender and the current kolla varsham is 1188. This para was not for you sir, as you know all this. it was for others who may not be aware of this. and i wrote this to emphasise on the importance of the community getting together to create a system. It has been done in the past and can be done in the future. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Mon, 11 January, 2010 4:58:12 PM > Re: Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear Santhosh, > > It is very sad state of affairs. It is true that many astrologers cheat the public. However regulating astrology will also kill it and make it sterotype. This is what has happened to ayurveda as well. Kerala was once famous for traditions ayurvedic physicians. Now on the behest of vested interests, Govt has vertualy banned traditional practitioners, who infact know the secrets of the system. Today that breed is fast disapearing and you can find degree holders who don't know head or tails of it. Some even resort to mixing allopathic drugs in the ayurvedic preparations (I have known such doctors) to speed up recovery. 95% of the companies that sell ayurvedic preparations are fraud but they are leagal in the eyes of the govt. > > For ex: you can drink half a bottle of Dasamoolarishtam at one go. In reality, if the preparation is made to the traditional standards, your internals will burn if you take one spoonfull. > > Companies who advertise for Chavanaprasham do not tell you that you should take a glass of Milk with every ball of Chanvanaprasham- which is thick solid mass. But today what is sold is just a thin paste. You can imagine how adultarated the industry has turned into. But they are all legal. > > One can imagine what will happen to Astrology also, the only traditional science still thriving atleast in a few hands.  >  >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > Mon, January 11, 2010 4:22:34 PM > Important PIL against astrology > >  > Dear All, > A PIL has been filed in Bombay High Court against astrological prediciton. Please see link below > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/city/ mumbai/This- PIL-is-not- on-astrologers- charts-/articles how/5431833. cms > > I think this is a golden opportunity to regularise astrology. It is high time we have a system in India. For example a person canot open a clinic and practise medical care unless he is a doctor certified by a accepted univercity. It is possible to learn honeopathy through correspondence. But even such person should have a valid certificate to practice. > This is not to in astrology. this is the main reason why thus devine science has been maligned. > > I think each one of you has to sit up, take notice and take a stand. you cannot ignore this. > > regards > santhosh > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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