Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Part-1, the need to develop this system It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full of enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material tools of success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but try to succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the results were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him to find the reason for this. He turned towards study of destiny. Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar. In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid pace; there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines change; so how to depend on lines that change. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do all of them have similar horoscopes and palms?. The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification of birth time; the palmistry portion’s limitation was that it didn’t give concrete information about the articles, companions that play a crucial role in outcome of destiny. Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen observation led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul enters the womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also accompanies it. In the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic records' graph influences the development of the brain, this development of brain, in turn is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various limbs and organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. This karmic graph can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time of birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary influence also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives, animate and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So vaastu, face reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating habits, behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized to see the pattern. Some of these karmic records’ results can be moulded to native's advantage as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are treated are unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the results. Only some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter them: But then also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense that the divine person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself. ‘’duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen " As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is no escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which introduces with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much like mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for protection for peace of mind ‘’ rooh ki shaanti’’ If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune and some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that obstruction. But it cannot deliver which, as comprehended through jyotish, is not promised. Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be protected with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to attack the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of the native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the wall will increase it’s height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or catch hold of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will yield by fatigue and abandon the idea of attacking the native. If it is raining lalkitab can provide an umbrella but not stop the rain. Lalkitab cannot be used to harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in establishing harmonious relations between inimical tendencies. Sir, the topic under consideration cannot be dealt in a single post. It requires several detailed posts. hope your goodself understands. Regards Kulbir Bains. Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains Wed, 13 Jan 2010 6:19 am Re: Re: 1941 lalkitab exact transliteration RAR Sir, //It seems you are very enthusiastic of Lal Kitab (no offence). // Why should i feel offended. I am Proud. Of course i will try to write about uniqueness of lalkitab to remove some misconceptions. //Can you write about the fundamental difference between Traditional Indian Astrology (like parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc) & this system? (not regarding remedies) in pure Astrlogical terms. i will write about the similarities and difference between lalkitab and traditional indian astrology. not about any particular school of thought //parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc// because then i will have to answer some querry by some other member about Nadi. KP. SA etc. And i have no intention to be jack of all trades. Ek Ke Saadhe Sab Sadhee .......... i can understand why you told me to exclude remedies; it is a misconception that lalkitab is a magic pot for all problems like aladin's lamp. this is not true. once a person goes into detailed study of this subject. he/she would think hundred times before running for remedies. It is a complete system in itself; it has it's own grammar rules philosophy tradition. Unfortunately the commentaries and books titled like lalkitab ke tone totke have brought about a low opinion among general people about this granth. We had to lie low until now because original works were in urdu, that too stored by people for personal use, translations were full of mistakes. But now it is pay back time. we have exact transliterations/transcripts to which anybody can refer. Regards Kulbir Bains. Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Wed, 13 Jan 2010 5:39 am Re: Re: 1941 lalkitab exact transliteration RAR Dear Kulbir Bains, It seems you are very enthusiastic of Lal Kitab (no offence). Can you write about the fundamental difference between Traditional Indian Astrology (like parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc) & this system? (not regarding remedies) in pure Astrlogical terms. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Kulbir Bains, I am not sure what you understood by fundamental differences Astrologicaly. The differences in basic fundamental theories regarding signs, bhavas, kendra, konas etc. // In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.// These are exactly the areas I did not want you to go into - the areas that you do not know regarding traditional Astrology. Traditional Astrology is far deeper than is commonly perceived and just because someone sits silently when asked about its deep secrets does not mean that there is void there. So if you do not mind skip such references about the merits & demerits of systems and illustrate only the differences regarding the basics. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains Wed, January 13, 2010 9:01:21 PM Basis of lalkitab sytem  Part-1, the need to develop this system It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full of enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material tools of success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but try to succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the results were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him to find the reason for this. He turned towards study of destiny. Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar. In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid pace; there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines change; so how to depend on lines that change. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do all of them have similar horoscopes and palms?. The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification of birth time; the palmistry portion’s limitation was that it didn’t give concrete information about the articles, companions that play a crucial role in outcome of destiny. Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen observation led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul enters the womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also accompanies it. In the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic records' graph influences the development of the brain, this development of brain, in turn is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various limbs and organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. This karmic graph can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time of birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary influence also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives, animate and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So vaastu, face reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating habits, behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized to see the pattern. Some of these karmic records’ results can be moulded to native's advantage as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are treated are unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the results. Only some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter them: But then also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense that the divine person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself. ‘’duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen " As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is no escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which introduces with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much like mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for protection for peace of mind ‘’ rooh ki shaanti’’ If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune and some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that obstruction. But it cannot deliver which, as comprehended through jyotish, is not promised. Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be protected with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to attack the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of the native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the wall will increase it’s height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or catch hold of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will yield by fatigue and abandon the idea of attacking the native. If it is raining lalkitab can provide an umbrella but not stop the rain. Lalkitab cannot be used to harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in establishing harmonious relations between inimical tendencies. Sir, the topic under consideration cannot be dealt in a single post. It requires several detailed posts. hope your goodself understands. Regards Kulbir Bains. Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ aol.com> Wed, 13 Jan 2010 6:19 am Re: Re: 1941 lalkitab exact transliteration RAR Sir, //It seems you are very enthusiastic of Lal Kitab (no offence). // Why should i feel offended. I am Proud. Of course i will try to write about uniqueness of lalkitab to remove some misconceptions. //Can you write about the fundamental difference between Traditional Indian Astrology (like parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc) & this system? (not regarding remedies) in pure Astrlogical terms. i will write about the similarities and difference between lalkitab and traditional indian astrology. not about any particular school of thought //parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc// because then i will have to answer some querry by some other member about Nadi. KP. SA etc. And i have no intention to be jack of all trades. Ek Ke Saadhe Sab Sadhee .......... i can understand why you told me to exclude remedies; it is a misconception that lalkitab is a magic pot for all problems like aladin's lamp. this is not true. once a person goes into detailed study of this subject. he/she would think hundred times before running for remedies. It is a complete system in itself; it has it's own grammar rules philosophy tradition. Unfortunately the commentaries and books titled like lalkitab ke tone totke have brought about a low opinion among general people about this granth. We had to lie low until now because original works were in urdu, that too stored by people for personal use, translations were full of mistakes. But now it is pay back time. we have exact transliterations/ transcripts to which anybody can refer. Regards Kulbir Bains. Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Wed, 13 Jan 2010 5:39 am Re: Re: 1941 lalkitab exact transliteration RAR Dear Kulbir Bains, It seems you are very enthusiastic of Lal Kitab (no offence). Can you write about the fundamental difference between Traditional Indian Astrology (like parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc) & this system? (not regarding remedies) in pure Astrlogical terms. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Sir, It is a public forum; henceforth i decided to start with an general opening statement. Rest assured you will get more than your goodself instructed me to. Regards Kulbir Bains. Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Wed, 13 Jan 2010 8:26 am Re: Basis of lalkitab sytem Dear Kulbir Bains, I am not sure what you understood by fundamental differences Astrologicaly. The differences in basic fundamental theories regarding signs, bhavas, kendra, konas etc. // In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.// These are exactly the areas I did not want you to go into - the areas that you do not know regarding traditional Astrology. Traditional Astrology is far deeper than is commonly perceived and just because someone sits silently when asked about its deep secrets does not mean that there is void there. So if you do not mind skip such references about the merits & demerits of systems and illustrate only the differences regarding the basics. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains Wed, January 13, 2010 9:01:21 PM Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this system It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full of enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material tools of success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but try to succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the results were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him to find the reason for this. He turned towards study of destiny. Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar. In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid pace; there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines change; so how to depend on lines that change. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do all of them have similar horoscopes and palms?. The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification of birth time; the palmistry portion’s limitation was that it didn’t give concrete information about the articles, companions that play a crucial role in outcome of destiny. Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen observation led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul enters the womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also accompanies it. In the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic records' graph influences the development of the brain, this development of brain, in turn is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various limbs and organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. This karmic graph can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time of birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary influence also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives, animate and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So vaastu, face reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating habits, behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized to see the pattern. Some of these karmic records’ results can be moulded to native's advantage as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are treated are unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the results. Only some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter them: But then also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense that the divine person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself. ‘’duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen " As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is no escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which introduces with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much like mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for protection for peace of mind ‘’ rooh ki shaanti’’ If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune and some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that obstruction. But it cannot deliver which, as comprehended through jyotish, is not promised. Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be protected with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to attack the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of the native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the wall will increase it’s height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or catch hold of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will yield by fatigue and abandon the idea of attacking the native. If it is raining lalkitab can provide an umbrella but not stop the rain. Lalkitab cannot be used to harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in establishing harmonious relations between inimical tendencies. Sir, the topic under consideration cannot be dealt in a single post. It requires several detailed posts. hope your goodself understands. Regards Kulbir Bains. Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ aol.com> Wed, 13 Jan 2010 6:19 am Re: Re: 1941 lalkitab exact transliteration RAR Sir, //It seems you are very enthusiastic of Lal Kitab (no offence). // Why should i feel offended. I am Proud. Of course i will try to write about uniqueness of lalkitab to remove some misconceptions. //Can you write about the fundamental difference between Traditional Indian Astrology (like parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc) & this system? (not regarding remedies) in pure Astrlogical terms. i will write about the similarities and difference between lalkitab and traditional indian astrology. not about any particular school of thought //parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc// because then i will have to answer some querry by some other member about Nadi. KP. SA etc. And i have no intention to be jack of all trades. Ek Ke Saadhe Sab Sadhee .......... i can understand why you told me to exclude remedies; it is a misconception that lalkitab is a magic pot for all problems like aladin's lamp. this is not true. once a person goes into detailed study of this subject. he/she would think hundred times before running for remedies. It is a complete system in itself; it has it's own grammar rules philosophy tradition. Unfortunately the commentaries and books titled like lalkitab ke tone totke have brought about a low opinion among general people about this granth. We had to lie low until now because original works were in urdu, that too stored by people for personal use, translations were full of mistakes. But now it is pay back time. we have exact transliterations/ transcripts to which anybody can refer. Regards Kulbir Bains. Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Wed, 13 Jan 2010 5:39 am Re: Re: 1941 lalkitab exact transliteration RAR Dear Kulbir Bains, It seems you are very enthusiastic of Lal Kitab (no offence). Can you write about the fundamental difference between Traditional Indian Astrology (like parashara, Mihiracharya, Jaimini etc) & this system? (not regarding remedies) in pure Astrlogical terms. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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