Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 The one you were noshing...! , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > But Why beta? Selfless Amma has no enmity with anyone!! > Who is Charvvaka dada? > > Amma > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Amma noshed on Charvaak Dada. I do not like that! I am not talking to Amma anymore :-( <GUFFAW!> > > > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Putra, What do you mean by the default dasa is not applying? Speak in a language that Amma can understand. > > > > > > I am afraid you children may not know Amma completely at this point, but hopefully Appa Ji(knower of all 3 aspects of time) will shed his mighty " light " on all you little ones..You do know that all of you lucky stars were raised in Amma's lap including asuras, devtas and manshuyas. > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Does Amma know herself? ;-) > > > > > > > > ... Because the default dasa is not the same as the one that really applies in a certain " case " ! :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AY_Yappa > > > > > > > > > > Milky Way..Silky Whey, GA_lexy & WA_lexy what does Amma know? > > > > > Amma knows she raised you children do be wise, and brimming & shinning with " light " wherever you go. > > > > > Why the dates keep changing divine putra? > > > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I believe that kind of forms the crux of the 2012 theme! It is not that the sun is at the centre of galaxy but that the center of the galaxy lies in Dhanu constellation (more accurately: is viewed in Sagittarious when viewed from the Earth-perspective (like ant was saying ;-)) spank in the middle of mars and venus! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Razzetto (2008) has written a good article if you are interested. Sadly, I do not have the full link but google should bring it up if you put in the name, year and 2012 keywords! > > > > > > > > > > > > 'appy readin' > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya may not be in the physical centre of milky way galaxy, but it is at the centre of gravity of the galaxy. It is at the region of the milky way where maximum life energy is concentrated. Further the milky way itself is at the centre of gravity point of the whole universe, thereby making sun at the centre of the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> > > > > > > > Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:15:20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Surya Putra's, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Appa dearest appears as a tine, tiny dot, or even a small spec from where you are siting, but he is certainly the center of universe(and also life giver) to AMMA(metaphorically speaking) through which you children took divine birth..Don't you children forget that!! > > > > > > > Before you children put another scientific logic in Amma's plain simple brain think again, > > > > > > > Amma is " jaad buddhi " (made of earth)as in very slow to figure things out okay baccha!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Sun is the center of the Universe! It is not even the center of our galaxy :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at the center of our solar system as per astronomers and heliocentric astrologer, but the rest of us actually think that we (earth) is at the center of the Universe (as we see it!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how we 'create' through our perceptions and apparent sighting, phenomenoa such as retrogression, combustion, conjunction, and the rest of the 9 yards! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we know that Sun is not burning mercury or venus or jupiter, we know that mars right now is not retrograde in reality, nor is it debilitated (heliocentric view would probably put in or close to its exaltation sign ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are physical and tangible realities! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet we know that geocentric/geotopical perspective and framework 'works' or so many intelligent, pragmatic persons over the centuries would not have kept embracing, and nurturing the astrological framework and many have benefitted from it and associated advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence it is obvious that it is not the Pinda/body/physical planet that is producing the effect. Even the mathematical crossings that create the nodes are not producing the effects. Although most of us keep saying that and then we and the world begins to believe in that being a reality and all kind of KOOKIE theories involving vibrations and fine radiations and whatever else the cat dragged-in becomes the gospel! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am but an ordinary mortal ant! What do I know! But I am sure AMMA knows it all! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun(father)is as the center of the universe is always steady, firm, and fixed in his ways! He never falls short of his duty unlike other graha's. He does selfless seva each and every day by giving life, light to everyone, sustains, and nurtures all beings on earth. > > > > > > > > > It is actually Amma that we need to worry about when she erupts(as in volcanoes), and shakes(as in earthquakes) when not under the control of surya baba!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is the father, Santhosh ... I hope not Jyotishi contests that unless they are starting some weird system, yet again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the father crosses the Dehleej, the threshold children get worried! Because we have been told, conditioned that crossing a threshold makes one vulnerable and when father is vulnerable, the rest of the family, especially the children feel the impact the most! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha, Karka, Tula, Makar are the four samkrantis whence Father Sun who is fixed (permanent) moves from ambivalence (mutable) to action (cardinal) before coming back home to rest (fixed)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solar individuals love constancy and continuity, familiarity and order! Motion makes them quesey and yet it energizes them hence the duality that we witness in aries and libra. Moon and saturn determine how sun would behave when in cancer and capricorn! Jupiter and mars if so placed help too, for Sun relates to both of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said earlier: As below so above! You all are way more intelligent than I can ever be. Let me not waste your time with details!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think the correct usage is observing makara sankranti and not celebrating. then you wont need to complaint. it is a day you pray to god and hence we can definitely pray for the lost lives in the earthquake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 9:09:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > How can anyone celebrate when " brothers " and 'sisters' in Haiti are dying and suffering what many on the other side of this very world do not have an idea or CARE! AMAZINGLY CALLOUS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji & others,Good Morning,We are celebrating ''Makar Sankranti'' today.We will discuss again in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Dera Members Thanx to all those for the great inspiration that led to the reboot.probably,in the process some get way laid.frankly iam one among them The interest is to deal more of planets(part of jyotish) and depend on Rishvar for brivity and understanding with the help of satellite Moon as we assimilate about total solar system .If some thing of astronomy is body the soul has to be solar system.we are all rooted in this comple x system and gather at the peanut table. Mind and body relations require more focus than jyotish.It will be a challenge that can not be met with dates and dead lines.Astrological and astronomical nix up a good item and may not be palatable for all. Galaxy?System by itself of stars?Sun interacts as ordinary member of galxy... For ordinary eye when seen upwards in sky is felt as Milky way.In this Ayyappa,Appa,Amma and Maa and MA are the forces behind this wonder to the ants.Thanks to Herschel. If Galaxy is spiral Beautiful milky way is gaseous nebula. This apart the comprehensive part is in Solar System.Appa is a star.wandering in nature are palnets basically whimsical in behaviour. Universe,otherwise beyond imagination of putras,ammas and others is Brahmand,the universe.A dwelling place and abode from ant to elephant,from Nendrethals to Man,prime biped. we wonder at the beautiful satellite Moon along the star " sun " Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 1/14/10, santhosh10 <santhosh10 wrote: > santhosh10 <santhosh10 > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:42 PM > Surya may not be in the physical > centre of milky way galaxy, but it is at the centre of > gravity of the galaxy. It is at the region of the milky way > where maximum life energy is concentrated. Further the milky > way itself is at the centre of gravity point of the whole > universe, thereby making sun at the centre of the universe. > > Sent from BlackBerryï½® on Airtel > > > " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 > Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:15:20 > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > Divine Surya Putra's, > > Maybe Appa dearest appears as a tine, tiny dot, or even a > small spec from where you are siting, but he is certainly > the center of universe(and also life giver) to > AMMA(metaphorically speaking) through which you children > took divine birth..Don't you children forget that!! > Before you children put another scientific logic in Amma's > plain simple brain think again, > Amma is " jaad buddhi " (made of earth)as in very slow to > figure things out okay baccha!! > > Amma > > > > , > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > I don't think Sun is the center of the Universe! It is > not even the center of our galaxy :-) > > > > Sun is at the center of our solar system as per > astronomers and heliocentric astrologer, but the rest of us > actually think that we (earth) is at the center of the > Universe (as we see it!). > > > > That is how we 'create' through our perceptions and > apparent sighting, phenomenoa such as retrogression, > combustion, conjunction, and the rest of the 9 yards! > > > > Now we know that Sun is not burning mercury or venus > or jupiter, we know that mars right now is not retrograde in > reality, nor is it debilitated (heliocentric view would > probably put in or close to its exaltation sign ;-) > > > > Those are physical and tangible realities! > > > > Yet we know that geocentric/geotopical perspective and > framework 'works' or so many intelligent, pragmatic persons > over the centuries would not have kept embracing, and > nurturing the astrological framework and many have > benefitted from it and associated advice! > > > > Hence it is obvious that it is not the > Pinda/body/physical planet that is producing the effect. > Even the mathematical crossings that create the nodes are > not producing the effects. Although most of us keep saying > that and then we and the world begins to believe in that > being a reality and all kind of KOOKIE theories involving > vibrations and fine radiations and whatever else the cat > dragged-in becomes the gospel! > > > > I am but an ordinary mortal ant! What do I know! But I > am sure AMMA knows it all! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , > " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sun(father)is as the center of the universe is > always steady, firm, and fixed in his ways! He never falls > short of his duty unlike other graha's. He does selfless > seva each and every day by giving life, light to everyone, > sustains, and nurtures all beings on earth. > > > It is actually Amma that we need to worry about > when she erupts(as in volcanoes), and shakes(as in > earthquakes) when not under the control of surya baba!! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sun is the father, Santhosh ... I hope not > Jyotishi contests that unless they are starting some weird > system, yet again! > > > > > > > > When the father crosses the Dehleej, the > threshold children get worried! Because we have been told, > conditioned that crossing a threshold makes one vulnerable > and when father is vulnerable, the rest of the family, > especially the children feel the impact the most! > > > > > > > > Mesha, Karka, Tula, Makar are the four > samkrantis whence Father Sun who is fixed (permanent) moves > from ambivalence (mutable) to action (cardinal) before > coming back home to rest (fixed)! > > > > > > > > Solar individuals love constancy and > continuity, familiarity and order! Motion makes them quesey > and yet it energizes them hence the duality that we witness > in aries and libra. Moon and saturn determine how sun would > behave when in cancer and capricorn! Jupiter and mars if so > placed help too, for Sun relates to both of them. > > > > > > > > Like I said earlier: As below so above! You > all are way more intelligent than I can ever be. Let me not > waste your time with details!! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > well rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > i think the correct usage is observing > makara sankranti and not celebrating. then you wont need > toﾂ�complaint. it is a day you pray to god and hence we > can definitely pray for the lost lives in the earthquake. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > ﾂ� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > rohinicrystal > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 9:09:34 AM > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > ﾂ� > > > > > How can anyone celebrate when > " brothers " and 'sisters' in Haiti are dying and suffering > what many on the other side of this very world do not have > an idea or CARE! AMAZINGLY CALLOUS! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji & others,Good > Morning,We are celebrating ''Makar Sankranti'' today.We will > discuss again in this regard. > > > > > > With thanks & > regards,ﾃã¤ï¿½ > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > ﾃã¤ï¿½ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > > rohinicrystal > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > @ . > com > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 > 8:12:37 AM > > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > ﾃã¤ï¿½ > > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, > Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight > chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss > astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash > already written material (BORING!). A link would be > acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not > waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to > criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and > what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you > have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is > 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >     The > INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Share with Haiti people.they deserve too.As a group I share.An occassion too seriously to pray for them Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! Thursday, January 14, 2010, 9:57 PM  ARE YOU SERIOUS? My condolences :-( Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Date with AAA........Mmm. ......... .......A > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:49 PM > > >  > > > > 23! > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ .....> wrote: > > > > Let us regroup on this theme and review this after 3rd February 2010! :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Appa poor man is treated with no symapathy as v misplace with him galaxy and then centre him in universe.jyotish is taking dive  in divina MAA or Ma lap.Amaa knows certainly not that as qualified as jaad buddhi.Ants theory gives meaning and the collective effort tiny beings make marvellous instance to be minded. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:15 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Surya Putra's, > > > > > > Maybe Appa dearest appears as a tine, tiny dot, or even a small spec from where you are siting, but he is certainly the center of universe(and also life giver) to AMMA(metaphorically speaking) through which you children took divine birth..Don't you children forget that!! > > > Before you children put another scientific logic in Amma's plain simple brain think again, > > > Amma is " jaad buddhi " (made of earth)as in very slow to figure things out okay baccha!! > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > I don't think Sun is the center of the Universe! It is not even the center of our galaxy :-) > > > > > > > > Sun is at the center of our solar system as per astronomers and heliocentric astrologer, but the rest of us actually think that we (earth) is at the center of the Universe (as we see it!). > > > > > > > > That is how we 'create' through our perceptions and apparent sighting, phenomenoa such as retrogression, combustion, conjunction, and the rest of the 9 yards! > > > > > > > > Now we know that Sun is not burning mercury or venus or jupiter, we know that mars right now is not retrograde in reality, nor is it debilitated (heliocentric view would probably put in or close to its exaltation sign ;-) > > > > > > > > Those are physical and tangible realities! > > > > > > > > Yet we know that geocentric/geotopic al perspective and framework 'works' or so many intelligent, pragmatic persons over the centuries would not have kept embracing, and nurturing the astrological framework and many have benefitted from it and associated advice! > > > > > > > > Hence it is obvious that it is not the Pinda/body/physical planet that is producing the effect. Even the mathematical crossings that create the nodes are not producing the effects. Although most of us keep saying that and then we and the world begins to believe in that being a reality and all kind of KOOKIE theories involving vibrations and fine radiations and whatever else the cat dragged-in becomes the gospel! > > > > > > > > I am but an ordinary mortal ant! What do I know! But I am sure AMMA knows it all! ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun(father)is as the center of the universe is always steady, firm, and fixed in his ways! He never falls short of his duty unlike other graha's. He does selfless seva each and every day by giving life, light to everyone, sustains, and nurtures all beings on earth. > > > > > It is actually Amma that we need to worry about when she erupts(as in volcanoes), and shakes(as in earthquakes) when not under the control of surya baba!! > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is the father, Santhosh ... I hope not Jyotishi contests that unless they are starting some weird system, yet again! > > > > > > > > > > > > When the father crosses the Dehleej, the threshold children get worried! Because we have been told, conditioned that crossing a threshold makes one vulnerable and when father is vulnerable, the rest of the family, especially the children feel the impact the most! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha, Karka, Tula, Makar are the four samkrantis whence Father Sun who is fixed (permanent) moves from ambivalence (mutable) to action (cardinal) before coming back home to rest (fixed)! > > > > > > > > > > > > Solar individuals love constancy and continuity, familiarity and order! Motion makes them quesey and yet it energizes them hence the duality that we witness in aries and libra. Moon and saturn determine how sun would behave when in cancer and capricorn! Jupiter and mars if so placed help too, for Sun relates to both of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said earlier: As below so above! You all are way more intelligent than I can ever be. Let me not waste your time with details!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think the correct usage is observing makara sankranti and not celebrating. then you wont need to complaint. it is a day you pray to god and hence we can definitely pray for the lost lives in the earthquake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 9:09:34 AM > > > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > How can anyone celebrate when " brothers " and 'sisters' in Haiti are dying and suffering what many on the other side of this very world do not have an idea or CARE! AMAZINGLY CALLOUS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji & others,Good Morning,We are celebrating ''Makar Sankranti'' today.We will discuss again in this regard. > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards,ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 My Governor General is Haitian! We feel their and Her pain! RR_; , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Share with Haiti people.they deserve too.As a group I share.An occassion too seriously to pray for them > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 9:57 PM > > >  > > > > ARE YOU SERIOUS? > > My condolences :-( > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Date with AAA........Mmm. ......... .......A > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:49 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 23! > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > Let us regroup on this theme and review this after 3rd February 2010! :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Appa poor man is treated with no symapathy as v misplace with him galaxy and then centre him in universe.jyotish is taking dive  in divina MAA or Ma lap.Amaa knows certainly not that as qualified as jaad buddhi.Ants theory gives meaning and the collective effort tiny beings make marvellous instance to be minded. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Surya Putra's, > > > > > > > > Maybe Appa dearest appears as a tine, tiny dot, or even a small spec from where you are siting, but he is certainly the center of universe(and also life giver) to AMMA(metaphorically speaking) through which you children took divine birth..Don't you children forget that!! > > > > Before you children put another scientific logic in Amma's plain simple brain think again, > > > > Amma is " jaad buddhi " (made of earth)as in very slow to figure things out okay baccha!! > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Sun is the center of the Universe! It is not even the center of our galaxy :-) > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at the center of our solar system as per astronomers and heliocentric astrologer, but the rest of us actually think that we (earth) is at the center of the Universe (as we see it!). > > > > > > > > > > That is how we 'create' through our perceptions and apparent sighting, phenomenoa such as retrogression, combustion, conjunction, and the rest of the 9 yards! > > > > > > > > > > Now we know that Sun is not burning mercury or venus or jupiter, we know that mars right now is not retrograde in reality, nor is it debilitated (heliocentric view would probably put in or close to its exaltation sign ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Those are physical and tangible realities! > > > > > > > > > > Yet we know that geocentric/geotopic al perspective and framework 'works' or so many intelligent, pragmatic persons over the centuries would not have kept embracing, and nurturing the astrological framework and many have benefitted from it and associated advice! > > > > > > > > > > Hence it is obvious that it is not the Pinda/body/physical planet that is producing the effect. Even the mathematical crossings that create the nodes are not producing the effects. Although most of us keep saying that and then we and the world begins to believe in that being a reality and all kind of KOOKIE theories involving vibrations and fine radiations and whatever else the cat dragged-in becomes the gospel! > > > > > > > > > > I am but an ordinary mortal ant! What do I know! But I am sure AMMA knows it all! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun(father)is as the center of the universe is always steady, firm, and fixed in his ways! He never falls short of his duty unlike other graha's. He does selfless seva each and every day by giving life, light to everyone, sustains, and nurtures all beings on earth. > > > > > > It is actually Amma that we need to worry about when she erupts(as in volcanoes), and shakes(as in earthquakes) when not under the control of surya baba!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is the father, Santhosh ... I hope not Jyotishi contests that unless they are starting some weird system, yet again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the father crosses the Dehleej, the threshold children get worried! Because we have been told, conditioned that crossing a threshold makes one vulnerable and when father is vulnerable, the rest of the family, especially the children feel the impact the most! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha, Karka, Tula, Makar are the four samkrantis whence Father Sun who is fixed (permanent) moves from ambivalence (mutable) to action (cardinal) before coming back home to rest (fixed)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solar individuals love constancy and continuity, familiarity and order! Motion makes them quesey and yet it energizes them hence the duality that we witness in aries and libra. Moon and saturn determine how sun would behave when in cancer and capricorn! Jupiter and mars if so placed help too, for Sun relates to both of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said earlier: As below so above! You all are way more intelligent than I can ever be. Let me not waste your time with details!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think the correct usage is observing makara sankranti and not celebrating. then you wont need toÃÆ'‚ complaint. it is a day you pray to god and hence we can definitely pray for the lost lives in the earthquake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 9:09:34 AM > > > > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > How can anyone celebrate when " brothers " and 'sisters' in Haiti are dying and suffering what many on the other side of this very world do not have an idea or CARE! AMAZINGLY CALLOUS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji & others,Good Morning,We are celebrating ''Makar Sankranti'' today.We will discuss again in this regard. > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Good night sweet, sweet, sweeter than saccharine children :-) My heart goes out to the people of Haiti.. Tonight I shall pray for all my children(including those who lost their lives in this event). Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > My Governor General is Haitian! We feel their and Her pain! > > RR_; > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Share with Haiti people.they deserve too.As a group I share.An occassion too seriously to pray for them > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 9:57 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ARE YOU SERIOUS? > > > > My condolences :-( > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Date with AAA........Mmm. ......... .......A > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:49 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > 23! > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Let us regroup on this theme and review this after 3rd February 2010! :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Appa poor man is treated with no symapathy as v misplace with him galaxy and then centre him in universe.jyotish is taking dive  in divina MAA or Ma lap.Amaa knows certainly not that as qualified as jaad buddhi.Ants theory gives meaning and the collective effort tiny beings make marvellous instance to be minded. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Surya Putra's, > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Appa dearest appears as a tine, tiny dot, or even a small spec from where you are siting, but he is certainly the center of universe(and also life giver) to AMMA(metaphorically speaking) through which you children took divine birth..Don't you children forget that!! > > > > > Before you children put another scientific logic in Amma's plain simple brain think again, > > > > > Amma is " jaad buddhi " (made of earth)as in very slow to figure things out okay baccha!! > > > > > > > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think Sun is the center of the Universe! It is not even the center of our galaxy :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is at the center of our solar system as per astronomers and heliocentric astrologer, but the rest of us actually think that we (earth) is at the center of the Universe (as we see it!). > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how we 'create' through our perceptions and apparent sighting, phenomenoa such as retrogression, combustion, conjunction, and the rest of the 9 yards! > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we know that Sun is not burning mercury or venus or jupiter, we know that mars right now is not retrograde in reality, nor is it debilitated (heliocentric view would probably put in or close to its exaltation sign ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are physical and tangible realities! > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet we know that geocentric/geotopic al perspective and framework 'works' or so many intelligent, pragmatic persons over the centuries would not have kept embracing, and nurturing the astrological framework and many have benefitted from it and associated advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence it is obvious that it is not the Pinda/body/physical planet that is producing the effect. Even the mathematical crossings that create the nodes are not producing the effects. Although most of us keep saying that and then we and the world begins to believe in that being a reality and all kind of KOOKIE theories involving vibrations and fine radiations and whatever else the cat dragged-in becomes the gospel! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am but an ordinary mortal ant! What do I know! But I am sure AMMA knows it all! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun(father)is as the center of the universe is always steady, firm, and fixed in his ways! He never falls short of his duty unlike other graha's. He does selfless seva each and every day by giving life, light to everyone, sustains, and nurtures all beings on earth. > > > > > > > It is actually Amma that we need to worry about when she erupts(as in volcanoes), and shakes(as in earthquakes) when not under the control of surya baba!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is the father, Santhosh ... I hope not Jyotishi contests that unless they are starting some weird system, yet again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the father crosses the Dehleej, the threshold children get worried! Because we have been told, conditioned that crossing a threshold makes one vulnerable and when father is vulnerable, the rest of the family, especially the children feel the impact the most! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesha, Karka, Tula, Makar are the four samkrantis whence Father Sun who is fixed (permanent) moves from ambivalence (mutable) to action (cardinal) before coming back home to rest (fixed)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solar individuals love constancy and continuity, familiarity and order! Motion makes them quesey and yet it energizes them hence the duality that we witness in aries and libra. Moon and saturn determine how sun would behave when in cancer and capricorn! Jupiter and mars if so placed help too, for Sun relates to both of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said earlier: As below so above! You all are way more intelligent than I can ever be. Let me not waste your time with details!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think the correct usage is observing makara sankranti and not celebrating. then you wont need toÃÆ'‚ complaint. it is a day you pray to god and hence we can definitely pray for the lost lives in the earthquake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 9:09:34 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > How can anyone celebrate when " brothers " and 'sisters' in Haiti are dying and suffering what many on the other side of this very world do not have an idea or CARE! AMAZINGLY CALLOUS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji & others,Good Morning,We are celebrating ''Makar Sankranti'' today.We will discuss again in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Sir Double R jee; “The buying of time or space is not the taking out of a hunting license on someone else's private preserve but is the renting of a stage on which we may perform.†I Understand it completely. Haan Jee. Respect and Regards Kulbir Bains. rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:38 am Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! I know there are a few comedians on this channel who normally stay in their caves, and come out to eat peanuts and to bask in the creative warmth of PAPA SUN when one hears their nimble squeaks, but no no the keys are still free, as long as you pay for the CAR-MA ;-) Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > > Sir RR ji. > //So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > depends upon one's status. > if one deserves even top brands give cars / not only keys for driving/ as an honour. > Again depends whether it is honour for the person or endorsement of company's product. > > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 3:08 am > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > > Only on Seinfeld on comedy channel!! > > RR_, > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir RR ji; > > > >  " Supply always comes on the heels of demand.†Robert Collier > > > > payment should always be in one's coin. > > > > I would like to put as NEEYUT NU MURAAD. intentions govern the outcome. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 2:36 am > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > I was watching a silly Seinfeld comedy show earlier and Jerry was in a car showroom to buy a car and his neurotic friends were doing their usual song and dance around the theme! > > > > In the end, Elaine broke up with her new boyfriend and grumpy as he was when he returned to add up Jerry's invoice he kept adding all kinds of items and in the end said, Keys -- 200Dollars! > > > > " KEYS! " , Jerry Exclaimed! > > > > " How are you going to start the car? " , the ex-boyfriend of Elaine asked! > > > > What a demand, indeed!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu ji; Since your goodself seems to have penchant for > > > throwing challenges. > > > > > > I request you to lead by example, A gentleman should always practice > > > what he preaches. > > > > > > So why don't you take head on the challenges as listed below. There is a > > > hefty prize money. If not interested in money, the like of you should > > > attempt at least for sake of honour. > > > > > > 1. The Science and Rationalists' Association of India (Bengali > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_language> : Bharatiya Bigyan O > > > Yuktibadi Samiti) is predominantly a rationalist > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalist> group based in Kolkata > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata> , India > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India> The group offers a prize of Rs. > > > 25,00,000 > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranor\ > > > mal> to anyone who can make accurate astrological > > > predictions/calculations under proper observing conditions > > > > > > 2. THE HINDU > > > > > > Online edition of India's National Newspaper > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009Rationalists' challenge to astrologers on poll > > > result > > > > > > Staff Reporter > > > > > > VIJAYAWADA: Rationalists and humanists have challenged astrologers and > > > other purveyors of superstition to predict election result accurately > > > and win a cash prize of Rs. 1 crore. > > > > > > Taking strong exception to the manner in which politicians had been > > > virtually prostrating before the `so-called' astrologers and > > > soothsayers in an attempt to find out their political fortunes, members > > > of the Indian chapter of the International Humanist and Ethical Union > > > (IHEU), Manava Vikas Vedika, Indian Radical Humanist Association, > > > Hyderabad Rationalist Forum and its affiliated organisations like Jana > > > Vignana Vedika and the Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations > > > have together thrown the gauntlet at the much-sought after astrologers > > > who have been in great demand in this election season. > > > > > > Seeking to disagree with the contention that astrology was also a > > > science, they wondered as to why astrologers aired diverse predictions > > > about the poll outcome. > > > > > > The questionnaire prepared by them include queries on the next Prime > > > Minister of the country, the combination of parties that would form the > > > government at the Centre, number of seats to be won by the major > > > political parties, next Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh and name of the > > > astrologer who would win this contest. > > > > > > Last date > > > > > > The last date for sending entries is May 15. > > > > > > Entries must be sent by registered post or courier in a sealed cover and > > > accompanied by a demand draft for Rs. 10,000 drawn in favour of Jana > > > Vignana Vedika. > > > > > > Printer friendly page > > > <http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=20090514588005\ > > > 00.htm & date=2009/05/14/ & prd=th & > > > > Send this article to Friends by E-Mail > > > <http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/pgemail.pl?date=2009/05/14/ & \ > > > prd=th & > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji & others, > > > > > > > > I wonder! where were these " scholars " when cats & dogs take over > > > the " group " ? > > > > > > > > One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad > > > on classics. > > > > > > > > You want serious Astrology? > > > > > > > > Here is an excercise for you. > > > > > > > > Here are two set of Birth data. > > > > Set 1 > > > > A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin > > > > B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin > > > > B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin > > > > > > > > Set 2 > > > > A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin > > > > B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin > > > > C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin > > > > D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin > > > > E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin > > > > > > > > In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different > > > > > > > > A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of > > > these children are same and Mother is Same. > > > > B) Identify the gender of the Natives. > > > > > > > > I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 > > > identification. > > > > > > > > A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. > > > > (we have heard enough of the democratic principles). > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > >  > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the > > > other assailants were! > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how > > > you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not > > > rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of > > > course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show > > > your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom > > > you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Dear Sir,    This is belated reply because my internet connection was not working properly.You have put two questions. Question:B) Identify the gender of the Natives? Answer:      If the TOB given is the exact one,(if not, correct it as per K.P. method)...                                     Then, pl. follow the method:  " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star,whose lord is situated                in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign,then the chart is of a female child... "                    So far,I have found this method extremely accurate...But the given time must be correct up to second.You may test this rule.  QuestionA) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same ? Answer:      Question is not clear to me.Do you mean to ask to categorize natives,if Jupiter aspects their ascendant or Moon sign? With thanks & regards,                   Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Thu, January 14, 2010 8:40:40 AM Re: OPEN CHALLENGE!  Dear Rohini ji & others, I wonder! where were these " scholars " when cats & dogs take over the " group " ? One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad on classics. You want serious Astrology? Here is an excercise for you. Here are two set of Birth data. Set 1 A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin Set 2 A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same. B) Identify the gender of the Natives. I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 identification. A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. (we have heard enough of the democratic principles).  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM OPEN CHALLENGE!  This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Kulbir Ji, All of us work with the guidance of the great super poawer of MA and driven by her guidance.v need to analyse from sevral perspectives as envisaged in the past about planets and as per confirmed antecednts of a native.Be it birth details and other issues while v r having our own comical threads as the one under caption,media too in the poutpouri programme has also carried a similalr challenge.At the cneter stage was Shri Anil Vats a renowned and mashhoor pandit ji dealing with sanil ji aetheist forum.AStrology has too much of attention for evry one.For it to be worthy,v need to approach from a firm base and serve the community riddled multiple problems. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:27 AM  Sir Double R jee; “The buying of time or space is not the taking out of a hunting license on someone else's private preserve but is the renting of a stage on which we may perform.†I Understand it completely. Haan Jee. Respect and Regards Kulbir Bains. rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:38 am Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! I know there are a few comedians on this channel who normally stay in their caves, and come out to eat peanuts and to bask in the creative warmth of PAPA SUN when one hears their nimble squeaks, but no no the keys are still free, as long as you pay for the CAR-MA ;-) Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote: > > > Sir RR ji. > //So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > depends upon one's status. > if one deserves even top brands give cars / not only keys for driving/ as an honour. > Again depends whether it is honour for the person or endorsement of company's product. > > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 3:08 am > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > > Only on Seinfeld on comedy channel!! > > RR_, > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > Sir RR ji; > > > >  " Supply always comes on the heels of demand.†Robert Collier > > > > payment should always be in one's coin. > > > > I would like to put as NEEYUT NU MURAAD. intentions govern the outcome. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 2:36 am > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > I was watching a silly Seinfeld comedy show earlier and Jerry was in a car showroom to buy a car and his neurotic friends were doing their usual song and dance around the theme! > > > > In the end, Elaine broke up with her new boyfriend and grumpy as he was when he returned to add up Jerry's invoice he kept adding all kinds of items and in the end said, Keys -- 200Dollars! > > > > " KEYS! " , Jerry Exclaimed! > > > > " How are you going to start the car? " , the ex-boyfriend of Elaine asked! > > > > What a demand, indeed!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu ji; Since your goodself seems to have penchant for > > > throwing challenges. > > > > > > I request you to lead by example, A gentleman should always practice > > > what he preaches. > > > > > > So why don't you take head on the challenges as listed below. There is a > > > hefty prize money. If not interested in money, the like of you should > > > attempt at least for sake of honour. > > > > > > 1. The Science and Rationalists' Association of India (Bengali > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Bengali_language> : Bharatiya Bigyan O > > > Yuktibadi Samiti) is predominantly a rationalist > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Rationalist> group based in Kolkata > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Kolkata> , India > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ India> The group offers a prize of Rs.. > > > 25,00,000 > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ List_of_prizes_ for_evidence_ of_the_paranor\ > > > mal> to anyone who can make accurate astrological > > > predictions/ calculations under proper observing conditions > > > > > > 2. THE HINDU > > > > > > Online edition of India's National Newspaper > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009Rationalists' challenge to astrologers on poll > > > result > > > > > > Staff Reporter > > > > > > VIJAYAWADA: Rationalists and humanists have challenged astrologers and > > > other purveyors of superstition to predict election result accurately > > > and win a cash prize of Rs. 1 crore. > > > > > > Taking strong exception to the manner in which politicians had been > > > virtually prostrating before the `so-called' astrologers and > > > soothsayers in an attempt to find out their political fortunes, members > > > of the Indian chapter of the International Humanist and Ethical Union > > > (IHEU), Manava Vikas Vedika, Indian Radical Humanist Association, > > > Hyderabad Rationalist Forum and its affiliated organisations like Jana > > > Vignana Vedika and the Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations > > > have together thrown the gauntlet at the much-sought after astrologers > > > who have been in great demand in this election season. > > > > > > Seeking to disagree with the contention that astrology was also a > > > science, they wondered as to why astrologers aired diverse predictions > > > about the poll outcome. > > > > > > The questionnaire prepared by them include queries on the next Prime > > > Minister of the country, the combination of parties that would form the > > > government at the Centre, number of seats to be won by the major > > > political parties, next Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh and name of the > > > astrologer who would win this contest. > > > > > > Last date > > > > > > The last date for sending entries is May 15. > > > > > > Entries must be sent by registered post or courier in a sealed cover and > > > accompanied by a demand draft for Rs. 10,000 drawn in favour of Jana > > > Vignana Vedika. > > > > > > Printer friendly page > > > <http://www.hinduonn et.com/thehindu/ thscrip/print. pl?file=20090514 588005\ > > > 00.htm & date= 2009/05/14/ & prd=th & > > > > Send this article to Friends by E-Mail > > > <http://www.hinduonn et.com/thehindu/ thscrip/pgemail. pl?date=2009/ 05/14/ & \ > > > prd=th & > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji & others, > > > > > > > > I wonder! where were these " scholars " when cats & dogs take over > > > the " group " ? > > > > > > > > One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad > > > on classics. > > > > > > > > You want serious Astrology? > > > > > > > > Here is an excercise for you. > > > > > > > > Here are two set of Birth data. > > > > Set 1 > > > > A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin > > > > B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin > > > > B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin > > > > > > > > Set 2 > > > > A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin > > > > B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin > > > > C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin > > > > D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin > > > > E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin > > > > > > > > In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different > > > > > > > > A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of > > > these children are same and Mother is Same. > > > > B) Identify the gender of the Natives. > > > > > > > > I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 > > > identification. > > > > > > > > A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. > > > > (we have heard enough of the democratic principles). > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > >  > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the > > > other assailants were! > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how > > > you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not > > > rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of > > > course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show > > > your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom > > > you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Dear Misra ji, You may use any method / system or mixed of your choise. Question Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common fathe & mother). A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother B) identify the gender of these children A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Fri, January 15, 2010 10:14:06 PM Re: OPEN CHALLENGE!  Dear Sir,    This is belated reply because my internet connection was not working properly.You have put two questions. Question:B) Identify the gender of the Natives? Answer:      If the TOB given is the exact one,(if not, correct it as per K.P. method)...                                     Then, pl. follow the method:  " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star,whose lord is situated                in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign,then the chart is of a female child... "                    So far,I have found this method extremely accurate...But the given time must be correct up to second.You may test this rule.  QuestionA) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same ? Answer:      Question is not clear to me.Do you mean to ask to categorize natives,if Jupiter aspects their ascendant or Moon sign? With thanks & regards,                   Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:40:40 AM Re: OPEN CHALLENGE!  Dear Rohini ji & others, I wonder! where were these " scholars " when cats & dogs take over the " group " ? One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad on classics. You want serious Astrology? Here is an excercise for you. Here are two set of Birth data. Set 1 A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin Set 2 A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same. B) Identify the gender of the Natives. I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 identification. A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. (we have heard enough of the democratic principles).  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM OPEN CHALLENGE!  This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Sir ji; A beautiful explanation plus instruction from Double R ji. " If we can only put aside our territorial scythes for a moment we shall realize (paraphrasing a very wise astrologer friend and guide of mine) that the bird of divination (knowing) has two wings: logic and intuition; remove one and all the bird can do is go round and round in circles, as it pivots around its shadow - its ego, never even taking off the ground, while the blazing sun of true knowledge shines directly overhead. " Regards Kulbir Bains. Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Fri, 15 Jan 2010 9:27 am Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! Kulbir Ji, All of us work with the guidance of the great super poawer of MA and driven by her guidance.v need to analyse from sevral perspectives as envisaged in the past about planets and as per confirmed antecednts of a native.Be it birth details and other issues while v r having our own comical threads as the one under caption,media too in the poutpouri programme has also carried a similalr challenge.At the cneter stage was Shri Anil Vats a renowned and mashhoor pandit ji dealing with sanil ji aetheist forum.AStrology has too much of attention for evry one.For it to be worthy,v need to approach from a firm base and serve the community riddled multiple problems. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:27 AM Sir Double R jee; “The buying of time or space is not the taking out of a hunting license on someone else's private preserve but is the renting of a stage on which we may perform.†I Understand it completely. Haan Jee. Respect and Regards Kulbir Bains. rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:38 am Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! I know there are a few comedians on this channel who normally stay in their caves, and come out to eat peanuts and to bask in the creative warmth of PAPA SUN when one hears their nimble squeaks, but no no the keys are still free, as long as you pay for the CAR-MA ;-) Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote: > > > Sir RR ji. > //So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > depends upon one's status. > if one deserves even top brands give cars / not only keys for driving/ as an honour. > Again depends whether it is honour for the person or endorsement of company's product. > > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 3:08 am > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > > Only on Seinfeld on comedy channel!! > > RR_, > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > Sir RR ji; > > > >  " Supply always comes on the heels of demand.†Robert Collier > > > > payment should always be in one's coin. > > > > I would like to put as NEEYUT NU MURAAD. intentions govern the outcome. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 2:36 am > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > I was watching a silly Seinfeld comedy show earlier and Jerry was in a car showroom to buy a car and his neurotic friends were doing their usual song and dance around the theme! > > > > In the end, Elaine broke up with her new boyfriend and grumpy as he was when he returned to add up Jerry's invoice he kept adding all kinds of items and in the end said, Keys -- 200Dollars! > > > > " KEYS! " , Jerry Exclaimed! > > > > " How are you going to start the car? " , the ex-boyfriend of Elaine asked! > > > > What a demand, indeed!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu ji; Since your goodself seems to have penchant for > > > throwing challenges. > > > > > > I request you to lead by example, A gentleman should always practice > > > what he preaches. > > > > > > So why don't you take head on the challenges as listed below. There is a > > > hefty prize money. If not interested in money, the like of you should > > > attempt at least for sake of honour. > > > > > > 1. The Science and Rationalists' Association of India (Bengali > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Bengali_language> : Bharatiya Bigyan O > > > Yuktibadi Samiti) is predominantly a rationalist > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Rationalist> group based in Kolkata > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Kolkata> , India > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ India> The group offers a prize of Rs.. > > > 25,00,000 > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ List_of_prizes_ for_evidence_ of_the_paranor\ > > > mal> to anyone who can make accurate astrological > > > predictions/ calculations under proper observing conditions > > > > > > 2. THE HINDU > > > > > > Online edition of India's National Newspaper > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009Rationalists' challenge to astrologers on poll > > > result > > > > > > Staff Reporter > > > > > > VIJAYAWADA: Rationalists and humanists have challenged astrologers and > > > other purveyors of superstition to predict election result accurately > > > and win a cash prize of Rs. 1 crore. > > > > > > Taking strong exception to the manner in which politicians had been > > > virtually prostrating before the `so-called' astrologers and > > > soothsayers in an attempt to find out their political fortunes, members > > > of the Indian chapter of the International Humanist and Ethical Union > > > (IHEU), Manava Vikas Vedika, Indian Radical Humanist Association, > > > Hyderabad Rationalist Forum and its affiliated organisations like Jana > > > Vignana Vedika and the Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations > > > have together thrown the gauntlet at the much-sought after astrologers > > > who have been in great demand in this election season. > > > > > > Seeking to disagree with the contention that astrology was also a > > > science, they wondered as to why astrologers aired diverse predictions > > > about the poll outcome. > > > > > > The questionnaire prepared by them include queries on the next Prime > > > Minister of the country, the combination of parties that would form the > > > government at the Centre, number of seats to be won by the major > > > political parties, next Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh and name of the > > > astrologer who would win this contest. > > > > > > Last date > > > > > > The last date for sending entries is May 15. > > > > > > Entries must be sent by registered post or courier in a sealed cover and > > > accompanied by a demand draft for Rs. 10,000 drawn in favour of Jana > > > Vignana Vedika. > > > > > > Printer friendly page > > > <http://www.hinduonn et.com/thehindu/ thscrip/print. pl?file=20090514 588005\ > > > 00.htm & date= 2009/05/14/ & prd=th & > > > > Send this article to Friends by E-Mail > > > <http://www.hinduonn et.com/thehindu/ thscrip/pgemail. pl?date=2009/ 05/14/ & \ > > > prd=th & > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji & others, > > > > > > > > I wonder! where were these " scholars " when cats & dogs take over > > > the " group " ? > > > > > > > > One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad > > > on classics. > > > > > > > > You want serious Astrology? > > > > > > > > Here is an excercise for you. > > > > > > > > Here are two set of Birth data. > > > > Set 1 > > > > A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin > > > > B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin > > > > B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin > > > > > > > > Set 2 > > > > A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin > > > > B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin > > > > C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin > > > > D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin > > > > E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin > > > > > > > > In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different > > > > > > > > A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of > > > these children are same and Mother is Same. > > > > B) Identify the gender of the Natives. > > > > > > > > I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 > > > identification. > > > > > > > > A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. > > > > (we have heard enough of the democratic principles). > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > >  > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the > > > other assailants were! > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how > > > you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not > > > rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of > > > course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show > > > your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom > > > you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 O.K Sir.I will work out.You have not mentioned time up to second .So BTR will take time. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Fri, January 15, 2010 11:33:16 PM Re: OPEN CHALLENGE!  Dear Misra ji, You may use any method / system or mixed of your choise. Question Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common fathe & mother). A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother B) identify the gender of these children A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> Fri, January 15, 2010 10:14:06 PM Re: OPEN CHALLENGE!  Dear Sir,    This is belated reply because my internet connection was not working properly.You have put two questions. Question:B) Identify the gender of the Natives? Answer:      If the TOB given is the exact one,(if not, correct it as per K.P. method)...                                     Then, pl. follow the method:  " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star,whose lord is situated                in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign,then the chart is of a female child... "                    So far,I have found this method extremely accurate...But the given time must be correct up to second.You may test this rule.  QuestionA) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same ? Answer:      Question is not clear to me.Do you mean to ask to categorize natives,if Jupiter aspects their ascendant or Moon sign? With thanks & regards,                   Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:40:40 AM Re: OPEN CHALLENGE!  Dear Rohini ji & others, I wonder! where were these " scholars " when cats & dogs take over the " group " ? One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad on classics. You want serious Astrology? Here is an excercise for you. Here are two set of Birth data. Set 1 A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin Set 2 A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same. B) Identify the gender of the Natives. I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 identification. A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. (we have heard enough of the democratic principles).  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM OPEN CHALLENGE!  This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Kulbir jee, Some people get confused and begin equating seriousness with sincerity or dedication :-) Their loss! The only subject that must be seriously studied without mirth is science for the consequences are immediate and there is little room for 'play'. Play as engineers use that term :-) I would definitely want the person who builds a bridge, house or automobile or my computer to be very serious ;-) But Astrology is not science but a descriptive language. It must be entered in and entertained with a light soul and with awe in the heart, gratitude in the soul for God having given us a tiny glimpse in His treasure house, and not get our knickers all in a tight twist :-) Not pointing my fingers at anyone or any group of individuals in particular! Regards (thanks for reading my posts) Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > > Sir ji; > A beautiful explanation plus instruction from Double R ji. > " If we can only put aside our territorial scythes for a moment we shall realize (paraphrasing a very wise astrologer friend and guide of mine) that the bird of divination (knowing) has two wings: logic and intuition; remove one and all the bird can do is go round and round in circles, as it pivots around its shadow - its ego, never even taking off the ground, while the blazing sun of true knowledge shines directly overhead. " > > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Fri, 15 Jan 2010 9:27 am > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > Kulbir Ji, > All of us work with the guidance of the great super poawer of MA and driven by her guidance.v need to analyse from sevral perspectives as envisaged in the past about planets and as per confirmed antecednts of a native.Be it birth details and other issues > while v r having our own comical threads as the one under caption,media too in the poutpouri programme has also carried a similalr challenge.At the cneter stage was Shri Anil Vats a renowned and mashhoor pandit ji dealing with sanil ji aetheist forum.AStrology has too much of attention for evry one.For it to be worthy,v need to approach from a firm base and serve the community riddled multiple problems. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:27 AM > > > > Sir Double R jee; > > “The buying of time or space is not the taking out of a hunting license on someone else's private preserve but is the renting of a stage on which we may perform.†> > I Understand it completely. Haan Jee. > > Respect and Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:38 am > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > I know there are a few comedians on this channel who normally stay in their caves, and come out to eat peanuts and to bask in the creative warmth of PAPA SUN when one hears their nimble squeaks, but no no the keys are still free, as long as you pay for the CAR-MA ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sir RR ji. > > //So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > > depends upon one's status. > > if one deserves even top brands give cars / not only keys for driving/ as an honour. > > Again depends whether it is honour for the person or endorsement of company's product. > > > > > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 3:08 am > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > So now we all must pay for the keys to start the car? > > > > Only on Seinfeld on comedy channel!! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sir RR ji; > > > > > > â€Å " Supply always comes on the heels of demand.â€Â Robert Collier > > > > > > payment should always be in one's coin. > > > > > > I would like to put as NEEYUT NU MURAAD. intentions govern the outcome. > > > > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 2:36 am > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was watching a silly Seinfeld comedy show earlier and Jerry was in a car showroom to buy a car and his neurotic friends were doing their usual song and dance around the theme! > > > > > > In the end, Elaine broke up with her new boyfriend and grumpy as he was when he returned to add up Jerry's invoice he kept adding all kinds of items and in the end said, Keys -- 200Dollars! > > > > > > " KEYS! " , Jerry Exclaimed! > > > > > > " How are you going to start the car? " , the ex-boyfriend of Elaine asked! > > > > > > What a demand, indeed!! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu ji; Since your goodself seems to have penchant for > > > > throwing challenges. > > > > > > > > I request you to lead by example, A gentleman should always practice > > > > what he preaches. > > > > > > > > So why don't you take head on the challenges as listed below. There is a > > > > hefty prize money. If not interested in money, the like of you should > > > > attempt at least for sake of honour. > > > > > > > > 1. The Science and Rationalists' Association of India (Bengali > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Bengali_language> : Bharatiya Bigyan O > > > > Yuktibadi Samiti) is predominantly a rationalist > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Rationalist> group based in Kolkata > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Kolkata> , India > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ India> The group offers a prize of Rs.. > > > > 25,00,000 > > > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ List_of_prizes_ for_evidence_ of_the_paranor\ > > > > mal> to anyone who can make accurate astrological > > > > predictions/ calculations under proper observing conditions > > > > > > > > 2. THE HINDU > > > > > > > > Online edition of India's National Newspaper > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009Rationalists' challenge to astrologers on poll > > > > result > > > > > > > > Staff Reporter > > > > > > > > VIJAYAWADA: Rationalists and humanists have challenged astrologers and > > > > other purveyors of superstition to predict election result accurately > > > > and win a cash prize of Rs. 1 crore. > > > > > > > > Taking strong exception to the manner in which politicians had been > > > > virtually prostrating before the `so-called' astrologers and > > > > soothsayers in an attempt to find out their political fortunes, members > > > > of the Indian chapter of the International Humanist and Ethical Union > > > > (IHEU), Manava Vikas Vedika, Indian Radical Humanist Association, > > > > Hyderabad Rationalist Forum and its affiliated organisations like Jana > > > > Vignana Vedika and the Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations > > > > have together thrown the gauntlet at the much-sought after astrologers > > > > who have been in great demand in this election season. > > > > > > > > Seeking to disagree with the contention that astrology was also a > > > > science, they wondered as to why astrologers aired diverse predictions > > > > about the poll outcome. > > > > > > > > The questionnaire prepared by them include queries on the next Prime > > > > Minister of the country, the combination of parties that would form the > > > > government at the Centre, number of seats to be won by the major > > > > political parties, next Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh and name of the > > > > astrologer who would win this contest. > > > > > > > > Last date > > > > > > > > The last date for sending entries is May 15. > > > > > > > > Entries must be sent by registered post or courier in a sealed cover and > > > > accompanied by a demand draft for Rs. 10,000 drawn in favour of Jana > > > > Vignana Vedika. > > > > > > > > Printer friendly page > > > > <http://www.hinduonn et.com/thehindu/ thscrip/print. pl?file=20090514 588005\ > > > > 00.htm & date= 2009/05/14/ & prd=th & > > > > > Send this article to Friends by E-Mail > > > > <http://www.hinduonn et.com/thehindu/ thscrip/pgemail. pl?date=2009/ 05/14/ & \ > > > > prd=th & > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji & others, > > > > > > > > > > I wonder! where were theseÃÆ'‚ " scholars " when cats & dogs take over > > > > the " group " ? > > > > > > > > > > One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad > > > > onÃÆ'‚ classics. > > > > > > > > > > You want serious Astrology? > > > > > > > > > > Here is an excercise for you. > > > > > > > > > > Here are two set of Birth data.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Set 1 > > > > > A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin > > > > > B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin > > > > > B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin > > > > > > > > > > Set 2 > > > > > A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin > > > > > B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin > > > > > C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin > > > > > D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin > > > > > E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin > > > > > > > > > > In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different > > > > > > > > > > A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of > > > > these children are same and Mother is Same. > > > > > B) Identify the gender of the Natives. > > > > > > > > > > I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 > > > > identification. > > > > > > > > > > A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. > > > > > (we have heard enough of the democratic principles). > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the > > > > other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how > > > > you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not > > > > rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of > > > > course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show > > > > your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom > > > > you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Suresh_jee is a wise soul! He did not wish to impose his ayanamsha and rectification techniques on others, and perhaps gave the birth time as it is normally recorded (HH:MM). A lot of modern (last 20 years or less) *jyotishis* have been floating times that go in HH:MM:SS without clarifying the parameters used to Doctor ... I mean rectify the birthtimes :-( <Where is my switch for bringing up my TEFLON SHIELD ;-) ?> RR_; , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > O.K Sir.I will work out.You have not mentioned time up to second .So BTR will take time. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > > Fri, January 15, 2010 11:33:16 PM > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > >  > Dear Misra ji, > > You may use any method / system or mixed of your choise. > > Question > Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common fathe & mother). > > A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother > B) identify the gender of these children > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> > > Fri, January 15, 2010 10:14:06 PM > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > >  > Dear Sir,    This is belated reply because my internet connection was not working properly.You have put two questions. > Question:B) Identify the gender of the Natives? > Answer:      If the TOB given is the exact one,(if not, correct it as per K.P. method)...                   >                   Then, pl. follow the method:  " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star,whose lord is situated                in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign,then the chart is of a female child... " >                    So far,I have found this method extremely accurate...But the given time must be correct up to second.You may test this rule. >  QuestionA) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same ? > Answer:      Question is not clear to me.Do you mean to ask to categorize natives,if Jupiter aspects their ascendant or Moon sign? > > With thanks & regards,                   > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:40:40 AM > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > >  > Dear Rohini ji & others, > > I wonder! where were these " scholars " when cats & dogs take over the " group " ? > > One come with " worlds greatest Astrologer " and another calls for jihad on classics. > > You want serious Astrology? > > Here is an excercise for you. > > Here are two set of Birth data. > Set 1 > A) 25-Sep-1974; 2:22PM, Cochin > B) 14-Nov-1969; 1:45AM, Cochin > B) 07-Oct-1972; 12:30AM, Cochin > > Set 2 > A) 13-Oct-1969; 11:12 AM, Cochin > B) 15-Dec-1961; 12:30 PM, Cochin > C) 01-May-1971; 5:15 PM, Cochin > D) 03-Feb-1968; 1:15 PM, Cochin > E) 01-APr-1962; 4:05 PM, Cochin > > In the two sets, Fathers & Mothers are different > > A) Identify in each set the factor that indetifies that Father of these children are same and Mother is Same. > B) Identify the gender of the Natives. > > I don't want any links or long articles. But simple 1,2 3 identification. > > A word to the Moderator: Prevention is better than Cure. > (we have heard enough of the democratic principles). > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > OPEN CHALLENGE! > >  > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Dear Rohini ji, i looked up this person on net. read an article on 2012. I believe he is a reasearcher on mayan aspects. he mentions that from the orbital plain and as we observe from earth the centre of our galaxy falls in the direction of Dhanu. it also mentions that this alignment of earth happens once every year, though he is not attching much importance to it... still reading... regards santhosh  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Fri, 15 January, 2010 7:25:33 AM Re: OPEN CHALLENGE!  Yes, I believe that kind of forms the crux of the 2012 theme! It is not that the sun is at the centre of galaxy but that the center of the galaxy lies in Dhanu constellation (more accurately: is viewed in Sagittarious when viewed from the Earth-perspective (like ant was saying ;-)) spank in the middle of mars and venus! Thomas Razzetto (2008) has written a good article if you are interested. Sadly, I do not have the full link but google should bring it up if you put in the name, year and 2012 keywords! 'appy readin' RR_, , santhosh10@. .. wrote: > > Surya may not be in the physical centre of milky way galaxy, but it is at the centre of gravity of the galaxy. It is at the region of the milky way where maximum life energy is concentrated. Further the milky way itself is at the centre of gravity point of the whole universe, thereby making sun at the centre of the universe. > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:15:20 > <> > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > Divine Surya Putra's, > > Maybe Appa dearest appears as a tine, tiny dot, or even a small spec from where you are siting, but he is certainly the center of universe(and also life giver) to AMMA(metaphorically speaking) through which you children took divine birth..Don't you children forget that!! > Before you children put another scientific logic in Amma's plain simple brain think again, > Amma is " jaad buddhi " (made of earth)as in very slow to figure things out okay baccha!! > > Amma > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > I don't think Sun is the center of the Universe! It is not even the center of our galaxy :-) > > > > Sun is at the center of our solar system as per astronomers and heliocentric astrologer, but the rest of us actually think that we (earth) is at the center of the Universe (as we see it!). > > > > That is how we 'create' through our perceptions and apparent sighting, phenomenoa such as retrogression, combustion, conjunction, and the rest of the 9 yards! > > > > Now we know that Sun is not burning mercury or venus or jupiter, we know that mars right now is not retrograde in reality, nor is it debilitated (heliocentric view would probably put in or close to its exaltation sign ;-) > > > > Those are physical and tangible realities! > > > > Yet we know that geocentric/geotopic al perspective and framework 'works' or so many intelligent, pragmatic persons over the centuries would not have kept embracing, and nurturing the astrological framework and many have benefitted from it and associated advice! > > > > Hence it is obvious that it is not the Pinda/body/physical planet that is producing the effect. Even the mathematical crossings that create the nodes are not producing the effects. Although most of us keep saying that and then we and the world begins to believe in that being a reality and all kind of KOOKIE theories involving vibrations and fine radiations and whatever else the cat dragged-in becomes the gospel! > > > > I am but an ordinary mortal ant! What do I know! But I am sure AMMA knows it all! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sun(father)is as the center of the universe is always steady, firm, and fixed in his ways! He never falls short of his duty unlike other graha's. He does selfless seva each and every day by giving life, light to everyone, sustains, and nurtures all beings on earth. > > > It is actually Amma that we need to worry about when she erupts(as in volcanoes), and shakes(as in earthquakes) when not under the control of surya baba!! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sun is the father, Santhosh ... I hope not Jyotishi contests that unless they are starting some weird system, yet again! > > > > > > > > When the father crosses the Dehleej, the threshold children get worried! Because we have been told, conditioned that crossing a threshold makes one vulnerable and when father is vulnerable, the rest of the family, especially the children feel the impact the most! > > > > > > > > Mesha, Karka, Tula, Makar are the four samkrantis whence Father Sun who is fixed (permanent) moves from ambivalence (mutable) to action (cardinal) before coming back home to rest (fixed)! > > > > > > > > Solar individuals love constancy and continuity, familiarity and order! Motion makes them quesey and yet it energizes them hence the duality that we witness in aries and libra. Moon and saturn determine how sun would behave when in cancer and capricorn! Jupiter and mars if so placed help too, for Sun relates to both of them. > > > > > > > > Like I said earlier: As below so above! You all are way more intelligent than I can ever be. Let me not waste your time with details!! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > well rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > i think the correct usage is observing makara sankranti and not celebrating. then you wont need to complaint. it is a day you pray to god and hence we can definitely pray for the lost lives in the earthquake. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 9:09:34 AM > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > How can anyone celebrate when " brothers " and 'sisters' in Haiti are dying and suffering what many on the other side of this very world do not have an idea or CARE! AMAZINGLY CALLOUS! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji & others,Good Morning,We are celebrating ''Makar Sankranti'' today.We will discuss again in this regard. > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Yes and a similar 'aligning' also took place in 1998, according to him. The critical thing is that this (next) time the aligning is coinciding with the winter solstice! Also it is cool that when the Sun is aligned to the 'dark rift', it will be right in the middle of mars and venus with mercury between venus and sun. In other years these co-incidences were not there :-) Rohiniranjan , Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > i looked up this person on net. read an article on 2012. I believe he is a reasearcher on mayan aspects. > he mentions that from the orbital plain and as we observe from earth the centre of our galaxy falls in the direction of Dhanu. it also mentions that this alignment of earth happens once every year, though he is not attching much importance to it... still reading... > > regards > santhosh > >  > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Fri, 15 January, 2010 7:25:33 AM > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > >  > Yes, I believe that kind of forms the crux of the 2012 theme! It is not that the sun is at the centre of galaxy but that the center of the galaxy lies in Dhanu constellation (more accurately: is viewed in Sagittarious when viewed from the Earth-perspective (like ant was saying ;-)) spank in the middle of mars and venus! > > Thomas Razzetto (2008) has written a good article if you are interested. Sadly, I do not have the full link but google should bring it up if you put in the name, year and 2012 keywords! > > 'appy readin' > > RR_, > > , santhosh10@ .. wrote: > > > > Surya may not be in the physical centre of milky way galaxy, but it is at the centre of gravity of the galaxy. It is at the region of the milky way where maximum life energy is concentrated. Further the milky way itself is at the centre of gravity point of the whole universe, thereby making sun at the centre of the universe. > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:15:20 > > <> > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > Divine Surya Putra's, > > > > Maybe Appa dearest appears as a tine, tiny dot, or even a small spec from where you are siting, but he is certainly the center of universe(and also life giver) to AMMA(metaphorically speaking) through which you children took divine birth..Don't you children forget that!! > > Before you children put another scientific logic in Amma's plain simple brain think again, > > Amma is " jaad buddhi " (made of earth)as in very slow to figure things out okay baccha!! > > > > Amma > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > I don't think Sun is the center of the Universe! It is not even the center of our galaxy :-) > > > > > > Sun is at the center of our solar system as per astronomers and heliocentric astrologer, but the rest of us actually think that we (earth) is at the center of the Universe (as we see it!). > > > > > > That is how we 'create' through our perceptions and apparent sighting, phenomenoa such as retrogression, combustion, conjunction, and the rest of the 9 yards! > > > > > > Now we know that Sun is not burning mercury or venus or jupiter, we know that mars right now is not retrograde in reality, nor is it debilitated (heliocentric view would probably put in or close to its exaltation sign ;-) > > > > > > Those are physical and tangible realities! > > > > > > Yet we know that geocentric/geotopic al perspective and framework 'works' or so many intelligent, pragmatic persons over the centuries would not have kept embracing, and nurturing the astrological framework and many have benefitted from it and associated advice! > > > > > > Hence it is obvious that it is not the Pinda/body/physical planet that is producing the effect. Even the mathematical crossings that create the nodes are not producing the effects. Although most of us keep saying that and then we and the world begins to believe in that being a reality and all kind of KOOKIE theories involving vibrations and fine radiations and whatever else the cat dragged-in becomes the gospel! > > > > > > I am but an ordinary mortal ant! What do I know! But I am sure AMMA knows it all! ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun(father)is as the center of the universe is always steady, firm, and fixed in his ways! He never falls short of his duty unlike other graha's. He does selfless seva each and every day by giving life, light to everyone, sustains, and nurtures all beings on earth. > > > > It is actually Amma that we need to worry about when she erupts(as in volcanoes), and shakes(as in earthquakes) when not under the control of surya baba!! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sun is the father, Santhosh ... I hope not Jyotishi contests that unless they are starting some weird system, yet again! > > > > > > > > > > When the father crosses the Dehleej, the threshold children get worried! Because we have been told, conditioned that crossing a threshold makes one vulnerable and when father is vulnerable, the rest of the family, especially the children feel the impact the most! > > > > > > > > > > Mesha, Karka, Tula, Makar are the four samkrantis whence Father Sun who is fixed (permanent) moves from ambivalence (mutable) to action (cardinal) before coming back home to rest (fixed)! > > > > > > > > > > Solar individuals love constancy and continuity, familiarity and order! Motion makes them quesey and yet it energizes them hence the duality that we witness in aries and libra. Moon and saturn determine how sun would behave when in cancer and capricorn! Jupiter and mars if so placed help too, for Sun relates to both of them. > > > > > > > > > > Like I said earlier: As below so above! You all are way more intelligent than I can ever be. Let me not waste your time with details!! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > well rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > i think the correct usage is observing makara sankranti and not celebrating. then you wont need to complaint. it is a day you pray to god and hence we can definitely pray for the lost lives in the earthquake. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 9:09:34 AM > > > > > > Re: OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > How can anyone celebrate when " brothers " and 'sisters' in Haiti are dying and suffering what many on the other side of this very world do not have an idea or CARE! AMAZINGLY CALLOUS! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji & others,Good Morning,We are celebrating ''Makar Sankranti'' today.We will discuss again in this regard. > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, January 14, 2010 8:12:37 AM > > > > > > > OPEN CHALLENGE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 The root message # 69733 remains 'unanswered' despite the incessant whining, mud-slinging and *they* have even tried Gutter language! Still the sun rises daily in the East and sets in the west! Just like Jyotish! :-) I am not the culprit! I am not the one who is giving you this feeling of 'inadequacy', although you lash out at me as a convenient target! Look within and question if you have, each of you, sincerely served Jyotish in your life? Find the void within yourselves and try to fill it with Jyotish, not with envy and hatred towards others :-) Blessings! Rohiniranjan , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > This is my open challenge to Gopu, Dhirendra and I forget who the other assailants were! > > Instead of squirming in your tight chairs, SHOW us on this forum how you would discuss astrology so that everyone benefits! Please do not rehash already written material (BORING!). A link would be acceptable of course for that is good reference and does not waste bandwidth! > > If you have the gumption to criticise and attack others, you MUST show your mettle and what you have done for Astrology or for individuals whom you have helped through astrology! > > Or else, hold your peace! This is 2010 and not some simpler YUGA ;-) > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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