Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Santosh the word currupt was certainly wrong u can still use it by saying a few currupted versions r also there. otherwise the right thing to say is the rich diversity our Bharat varsha has , each ethnic entity has its own translation of different sanskrit works apart from local wisdom so at times they do get mixed into one another. also the understanding ppl get of sasnskrit which is multi-layered and at diff contexts can mean diff things to anyone , entirely depends on their prevailing precptions and context. NPHS as seen by NNK, RS, g k sharma , varnasi, venmktwswara press, chowkambha Madura krishna murthy shastry, versons r a few to name AND R DIFFERENTin some wa y or other to one another. nroadly may be same though. - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Santhosh <santhosh10 Thu, January 14, 2010 11:40:35 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Dear Rohini Ji, from your own articles you have said that there are so many versions of BPHS that it is difficult to say how many additions and deletions have taken place (not in these exact words of course-if i dont take this bail, you will ask me to tell you the article where this is stated so). hence, would like to use the word corrupt. I mean the transalations available today. are you saying that in the ORIGINAL sanskrit version rahu and ketu have been given ownership. my explanation ends here and let the seniors educate the juniors rather than the other way around. regards santhosh ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, 14 January, 2010 11:29:26 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 so are you saying that BPHS is corrupt? ;-) Most versions? Please explain and educate us, Santhosh jee! RR_, , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > yes some modern transalators have managed to give rahu and ketu ownership of some house, which even surya and chandra couldnt accomplish while distributing the rashis among the planets...so you might in all probability hear a quote from a classic which will be from some transalation. . > > regards > santhosh > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:03:00 AM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > >  > > Dear Nandani, > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > Lilly > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime †" to experience the ONE and ONLY parent †" GOD!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Thank you prasanth ji regards santhosh  ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Thu, 14 January, 2010 11:58:02 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 14/1- BPHS  Santosh the word currupt was certainly wrong u can still use it by saying a few currupted versions r also there. otherwise the right thing to say is the rich diversity our Bharat varsha has , each ethnic entity has its own translation of different sanskrit works apart from local wisdom so at times they do get mixed into one another. also the understanding ppl get of sasnskrit which is multi-layered and at diff contexts can mean diff things to anyone , entirely depends on their prevailing precptions and context. NPHS as seen by NNK, RS, g k sharma , varnasi, venmktwswara press, chowkambha Madura krishna murthy shastry, versons r a few to name AND R DIFFERENTin some wa y or other to one another. nroadly may be same though. - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Santhosh <santhosh10 > Thu, January 14, 2010 11:40:35 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Dear Rohini Ji, from your own articles you have said that there are so many versions of BPHS that it is difficult to say how many additions and deletions have taken place (not in these exact words of course-if i dont take this bail, you will ask me to tell you the article where this is stated so). hence, would like to use the word corrupt. I mean the transalations available today. are you saying that in the ORIGINAL sanskrit version rahu and ketu have been given ownership. my explanation ends here and let the seniors educate the juniors rather than the other way around. regards santhosh ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Thu, 14 January, 2010 11:29:26 AM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 so are you saying that BPHS is corrupt? ;-) Most versions? Please explain and educate us, Santhosh jee! RR_, , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > yes some modern transalators have managed to give rahu and ketu ownership of some house, which even surya and chandra couldnt accomplish while distributing the rashis among the planets...so you might in all probability hear a quote from a classic which will be from some transalation. . > > regards > santhosh > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:03:00 AM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > >  > > Dear Nandani, > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak? > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west. > > Lilly > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link between the indicator of parents. > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility. > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach! > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > if I may. > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime †" to experience the ONE and ONLY parent †" GOD!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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