Sun's Placement along with his Grand cabinet! 12/1

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True that Bhoomiputra is always to take care.Less heavenly bodies have to be

court jester to add grandeur.nature has it's ways of expression.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

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Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

 

Friday, January 15, 2010, 10:41 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

It helps to have Shani-Maharaj keep those two rogues under control! The three

gurus in conference, 2 classical, one modern (Saturn some say rules socialism!)

and with Dada on Guard duty, it is all about bhoomi and earthiness!

 

Makes sense, Dada? Are you still grounded, by amMA? Do come out!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> I agree that way Papa and Beta add experiences and force ways to learn and

make independent. Good teachers,no doubt.That is the way they teach and need no

appendages in the form of white and balck boards.Not very magnetic and

appealing.Infact the value of jyotish lies in the way of these Gurus other than

those of jupiter and Venus.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 10:20 PM

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> Whatever 'springs forth' from Shani can only bring lessons, Dada! One tends to

get attached and enamoured by a kind, gentle and wise teacher and clings to

those and becomes codependant and enslaved for life!

>

> But find a harsh teacher who keeps reminding you that he or she does not want

you around! LEARN AND LEAVE!

>

> That is SATURN and IT (neuter gender to keep the classics preserved!) will

never cling to your soul, once you have learned and moved on -- and so would not

its children!

>

> Hence some of us write about Saturn Blessings!

>

> Rohiniranjan!

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > The doubtful gulika a upagraha has a tendency to act like saturn .Better to

be away and watchful of Gulika and the other one mandi.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:59 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Double R Ji,

> > I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get

to hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> > >

> > > ASK KRISHNA!

> > >

> > > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> > >

> > > TRUE for Astrology too!

> > >

> > > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> > >

> > > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by

15th century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One

become a dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and

forever.. Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > > >

> > > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\

 Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ 

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with

someone..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married

to any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY

parent ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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