Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Hello/ Namaste, Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? Best Regards, Aditi Budhiraja The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 search for previous post by myself & shree Haresh Natani about this. I had explained how this computed as per kerala system & haresh ji had explained the north Indian method. Mrithyunjay ji had also written a few messages on this.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja Tue, January 19, 2010 7:59:50 PM query - bhakut dosha  Hello/ Namaste, Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? Best Regards, Aditi Budhiraja The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 hello Aditi Ji Probably,you are referring to matching of horoscopes for marraige purpose.LOng debate on such issues in astrological world.Different people hold different views.Like Kuja dosah,KSY etc.It is also known as bhoo koota or bha koota.These r astrological terms of matching tw horoscope. The moon sign of girl with reference to bou and the euation like from boys rasi girls if in 2nd,3rd 4th etc or vice versa of these shadashtaka(6/8) dwir dwdasi(2/12) are not good. Bhakoota has maximum points given for matching purpose in dasvidha poruttam.. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja wrote: aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:29 AM  Hello/ Namaste, Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? Best Regards, Aditi Budhiraja The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Dear Aditi, Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud...) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! Take care...! Rohiniranjan , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja wrote: > > Hello/ Namaste, > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > Best Regards, > Aditi Budhiraja > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Dear Members, Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM  Dear Aditi, Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! Take care...! Rohiniranjan , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > Hello/ Namaste, > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > Best Regards, > Aditi Budhiraja > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND-BAAJA.., PARTY etc. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Not necessarily -- :-) It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND-BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > Lilly > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 What is " malapak " ? Can you tell us what it does? What chapter in BPHS does it cover this topic? Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Not necessarily -- :-) > > It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! > > Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! > > RR_, > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND-BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 If BPHS had everything, Tigress, who would need these other books! www.google.com = Freedom = Confidence You can do it! RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > What is " malapak " ? Can you tell us what it does? What chapter in BPHS does it cover this topic? > > Lilly > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Not necessarily -- :-) > > > > It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! > > > > Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > > > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > > > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND-BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 But we like to hear it straight from the " horse's " mouth..Or a " goat " , or a " cow " or any other animal that can talk to us:-) Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > If BPHS had everything, Tigress, who would need these other books! > > www.google.com = Freedom = Confidence > > You can do it! > > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > What is " malapak " ? Can you tell us what it does? What chapter in BPHS does it cover this topic? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Not necessarily -- :-) > > > > > > It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! > > > > > > Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > > > > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > > > > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND-BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 dear Firend, Our ancients while Human affairs through planets and cosmic effects thought of the concept melpak to find planets relate to every human being and the effect of cosmic world. Melpak is by way which one need not feel stress out of " barbadi " This kind of feeling comes only when v do not want to respect mutual sentiment(or of others).necessary therfore we have some space to know of the term barbadi.we need to anlyse and understand what he really means about barbadi? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:08 PM  But we like to hear it straight from the " horse's " mouth..Or a " goat " , or a " cow " or any other animal that can talk to us:-) Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > If BPHS had everything, Tigress, who would need these other books! > > www.google.com = Freedom = Confidence > > You can do it! > > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > What is " malapak " ? Can you tell us what it does? What chapter in BPHS does it cover this topic? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > Not necessarily -- :-) > > > > > > It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! > > > > > > Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > > > > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > > > > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND- BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Krishnan ji, The point I was trying to make was pragmatic (just as all other points I typically make for those who are open to listening :-)) Melapak has practical utility almost only in cases of arranged marriages. Whether these arranged marriages are coordinated by parents, uncles, in some cases teachers or other elders. Because there is a PRE-period during which matches and selections and melapak etc can be considered. As the proportion of arranged marriage diminishes, presumably worldwide, even if the 'meaning' of melapak may continue, it would be unlikely to utilize it practically because of obvious reasons! That said, melapak has other utility. Jyotishis would be short-changing it if they use melapak only for fixing and blessing marriages! I have had a few people come to me after they have fallen in love and wish to confirm that they are not making a mistake, karmically! Typically, these have been those in their 2nd or 3rd relationships or marriages (followed by divorces) and typically 45+ in age. I suppose nothing makes one wiser in a hurry than hefty alimonies ;-) I hope you concur regarding the above informative, jyotish-related post ;-) RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > >  > > > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Here are two basic articles I found on Google http://askganesha.com/articles/match-making.asp http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/labels/horoscope%20matching.html If the 2nd link gives problems search using punit pandey and melapak or " articles on melapak " (the string I used to get the 2 urls. You will also see a few articles from individuals who pooh pooh melapak and vedic astrology in general. Don't read them first! That is why I give the chapter on Sceptics towards the end of my primer :-) First start with the PROS then move to the CONs (although sceptics may have the opposite view totally in so far as labels are concerned! ;-) RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > But we like to hear it straight from the " horse's " mouth..Or a " goat " , or a " cow " or any other animal that can talk to us:-) > > Lilly > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > If BPHS had everything, Tigress, who would need these other books! > > > > www.google.com = Freedom = Confidence > > > > You can do it! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is " malapak " ? Can you tell us what it does? What chapter in BPHS does it cover this topic? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not necessarily -- :-) > > > > > > > > It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! > > > > > > > > Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > > > > > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > > > > > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND-BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The chatushpadas language is simple and why not to attempt and understand.Effort is essential. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Wed, 1/20/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:17 PM  Here are two basic articles I found on Google http://askganesha. com/articles/ match-making. asp http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro logy/labels/ horoscope% 20matching. html If the 2nd link gives problems search using punit pandey and melapak or " articles on melapak " (the string I used to get the 2 urls. You will also see a few articles from individuals who pooh pooh melapak and vedic astrology in general. Don't read them first! That is why I give the chapter on Sceptics towards the end of my primer :-) First start with the PROS then move to the CONs (although sceptics may have the opposite view totally in so far as labels are concerned! ;-) RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > But we like to hear it straight from the " horse's " mouth..Or a " goat " , or a " cow " or any other animal that can talk to us:-) > > Lilly > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > If BPHS had everything, Tigress, who would need these other books! > > > > www.google.com = Freedom = Confidence > > > > You can do it! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > What is " malapak " ? Can you tell us what it does? What chapter in BPHS does it cover this topic? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Not necessarily -- :-) > > > > > > > > It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! > > > > > > > > Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > > > > > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > > > > > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND- BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dada , You r to the point.In some context,I was just brushing " Melpak " for the last one week up and down several time. I was trying explain to utilise this preperiod to gain not only in life but also build a confidence that they will not be loosers. But .....past(happenings) are always treated as burdensome and only to give room for frustations and to highlight failures and never to attempt for altering the course with some sincerity and a positive frame.The preventive role of the jyotish and the reference s like Melpak worth for knowing them of not for verbatim application(in real sense) Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Wed, 1/20/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:08 PM  Krishnan ji, The point I was trying to make was pragmatic (just as all other points I typically make for those who are open to listening :-)) Melapak has practical utility almost only in cases of arranged marriages. Whether these arranged marriages are coordinated by parents, uncles, in some cases teachers or other elders. Because there is a PRE-period during which matches and selections and melapak etc can be considered. As the proportion of arranged marriage diminishes, presumably worldwide, even if the 'meaning' of melapak may continue, it would be unlikely to utilize it practically because of obvious reasons! That said, melapak has other utility. Jyotishis would be short-changing it if they use melapak only for fixing and blessing marriages! I have had a few people come to me after they have fallen in love and wish to confirm that they are not making a mistake, karmically! Typically, these have been those in their 2nd or 3rd relationships or marriages (followed by divorces) and typically 45+ in age. I suppose nothing makes one wiser in a hurry than hefty alimonies ;-) I hope you concur regarding the above informative, jyotish-related post ;-) RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > >  > > > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 This is going to get me in big trouble and even get banned perhaps for irrelevant post but I must because this is important! Once I was looking after a kitten -- the brightest kitty I have ever seen, a gift from Ma! She had exalted mercury by the way, in the most balanced house (but I digress!). Extremely conscious of surroundings, very lovable and very very CURIOUS, just like cats must! Though destined to be an indoor-cat someone let her explore the outdoors. Sure enough, she crept under the deck and it was difficult to get her out. The deck was low and has nails sticking out. I was worried sick about her because being a quad, she did not have the ability to look upwards and bopped her head on the planks above a few times -- for a few worrying long moments! While the biped who was worried sick about her could see the possibilities and perhaps was more afraid about her because of the knowledge and awareness! Despite all her intelligence and loving nature and what not, she would never be able to look at the skies or find the meaning that lies UP THERE! The bipeds are fine on their two feet and their much wider field of vision -- Thank you! Now, what they are individually doing with such Grace and Gifts is another matter! Hopefully not playing Playstation videos or equivalent and wasting their already scarce energy! ;-) Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > The chatushpadas language is simple and why not to attempt and understand.Effort is essential. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 4:17 PM > > >  > > > > Here are two basic articles I found on Google > > http://askganesha. com/articles/ match-making. asp > http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro logy/labels/ horoscope% 20matching. html > > If the 2nd link gives problems search using punit pandey and melapak or " articles on melapak " (the string I used to get the 2 urls. You will also see a few articles from individuals who pooh pooh melapak and vedic astrology in general. Don't read them first! That is why I give the chapter on Sceptics towards the end of my primer :-) First start with the PROS then move to the CONs (although sceptics may have the opposite view totally in so far as labels are concerned! ;-) > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > But we like to hear it straight from the " horse's " mouth..Or a " goat " , or a " cow " or any other animal that can talk to us:-) > > > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > If BPHS had everything, Tigress, who would need these other books! > > > > > > www.google.com = Freedom = Confidence > > > > > > You can do it! > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What is " malapak " ? Can you tell us what it does? What chapter in BPHS does it cover this topic? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not necessarily -- :-) > > > > > > > > > > It is important, karmically, and hence astrologers have created such a matrix of factors that describe such bonds! And I am not thinking of the Melapak which when you study about it will find rather interesting! > > > > > > > > > > Toss the book in the poubelle after you have read it, not before! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shaddi toh hai hi barbadi " is what a very wise man said to me once! > > > > > > History is a proof of that!! Need we say more.. > > > > > > And he wasn't talking about the DHOL..,BAND- BAAJA.., PARTY etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ====================== Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangepi manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ K Gopu <kgopu_24 Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sirs, Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM  Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ============ ========= = Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sir, It is not always through parents and the adult individuals as per their wish canadopt for Institutional tie up by way of a traditional/vedic Kalyanam or by way solemnising in a holy place b4 priests(church/Koil/Mushraf) Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/21/10, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: K Gopu <kgopu_24 Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, January 21, 2010, 12:58 AM  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dear Gurujan, Very well explained. The institution of marriage is very good as long as both the partners act maturedly and are mentally ready to take it forward and not allow their personal egos to come in the way. As long as both the partners are mentally ready to take on the challenges of life without blaming each other for the problems that crop up in life it will be a smooth sailing ship in a sea. This mentality should continue to go on in life and should not change when the greener pastures cannot continue to be seen and deserts are seen in the near future. In between the partners as long as the " WE " attitude is there everything will go on fine even though they have to brave a Tsunami, but the moment the " WE " changes into " I " , the problems start to creep into the otherwise looking smooth flowing river. What probably looked like a heaven will start look like hell the moment partners lose their minds and start blaming eachother for problems. Astrology should only be taken as a guide, a beacon light to help the partners in their rather complicated journey called LIFE which has both troubled waters and also good happy moments, rather than making it look like the sole indicator of happy life or may be either blame it for any problems that crop up in life. Regards Chanddrakanth D --- On Thu, 21/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 5:46 PM  Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ============ ========= = Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dear All, Here are some of the texts that has explained on marriage compatability. 1) Prashna Marga 2) Prashnanushtana Padhadhi 3) Kaalavidhana 4) Narada Samhita 5) Madhaveeyam 6) jaanakeejatakam (only stree jataka & ritu phala) 7) shashankasharadeeyam 8) jaatakaadeshamarga 9) stree jataka(mmenaraja kritam) Those who would like to more on these matters could study the above texts. Narada Samhitha is one the oldest works on astrology. Perhaps equal in aging to Parashara Hora - highly debatable. Prashna Marga itself is 1000 years old. Anushtana Padhathi is said to much older. There are other works also. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dear Krishna ji, I feel you misuderstood what I meant by " Institution of marriage " . It is not where one gets married but a larger concept implied in the word " marriage " that differentiates it with newly conjoined word " living together " and yes! I am aware of all sort of things that is happening here and other places too, in the pretext of " marriage "      A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Thu, January 21, 2010 7:51:51 PM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  Sir, It is not always through parents and the adult individuals as per their wish canadopt for Institutional tie up by way of a traditional/ vedic Kalyanam or by way solemnising in a holy place b4 priests(church/ Koil/Mushraf) Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/21/10, K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, January 21, 2010, 12:58 AM  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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