Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sorry Dada, This gem remained unanswered! The antonym of " surrenders " cannot be 'surrenders!' I will have to respectfully disagree with you, Krishnan jee! The antonym is " Assumes responsibility...! " Mars surrenders to moon, but assumes the responsibility of/for saturn Moon surrenders to mars/ketu but assumes responsibility for Venus Venus surrenders to mercury, but assumes responsibility for Jupiter Sun surrenders to venus (mercury being the beta, venus becomes beti) but assumes the responsibility for mars (the big beta! Hanumanjee whom Sun taught as a Guru at Hanumanjee's stubborn insistance, hence became a father (One of the Panch-Pitas -- father, teacher, uncle blah blah blah!) .... Mercury surrenders to Jupiter, but assumes responsibility for 'itself' It is in a unique position, this darling child of Papa SUN! :-) Surrendering means relinquishing out of exhaustion some of the qualities and drives and intrinsic qualities! Does a vanquished mercury make Jupiter in a given chart stronger?? Assuming responsibility means assuming the finer qualities of the Uchcha dispositor! Does the uchchaa venus begin to sound like a Teacher, like GURU? CAVEAT: One factor does not create reality in Jyotish, just the DESIRE! Other factors must cooperate! Hopefully -- Jyotish enough and DIRECT enough for you, Dada? There is a LOT MORE -- where this came from...! Simple enough english, folks, who still haven't gone blurry eyed -- metaphorically-speaking...? :-) Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear members, > it is all how we understand and analyse cosmic roles of various planets and their effect on human affairs.It has a good logic and some orderliness too.. > Cyclic factors common in nature.History has periodicity.If ther is exaltation there is debilitatio.If there is fire there is water.Moon surrenders to venus to exalt.Mars surrenders to Moon to debilitate. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: NEECHA MARS! > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:01 PM > > >  > > > > Stop relying on ONE FACTOR and look for who can help that mangal in the specific chart! When a planet is weak, hurting, we jyotishis do not just bandage his wounds or put the salve on and hope that the remedy is done and complete! > > We 'look' carefully for WHO or how many are looking after the injured and helping it. We support those so that they can then look after the mars (or mercury or jupiter or whatever planet!). > > Astrology is about finding, strengthening and sustaining the interplanetary support-system that was a birthday gift for all of us! > > Or one could focus on the diseased but they better be prepared to stay with the sick planet for 24/7 because they failed to utilize the already existing support system! > > Makes COMMON-Sense? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > With Mangala Chacha visting AMMA's house and getting spoiled, and NEECHA in her presence how does it change our lives for good, or for better(especially those with neecha mars already)? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dear Rohini Ji, Hanuman ji and Panch Pitas r included it's a value addition for the learner..Great occassion too (learn).No room for s.....o.....r.......r.....y. The Caption when extended to strokes and supplementing in Dadas Words(is a gem): //The antonym of " surrenders " cannot be 'surrenders! '// It is only that v do not have " mauka " to address what they really mean about their slokas.Here in JR v right with extended caption.Assuming responsibility of various planets at some astronomical point helps our friends who have problems with bahdhakas and mars.Not the slighetest wink/hesitation to get carried away with Dada for that matter for any member.(JR) Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Wed, 1/20/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: NEECHA MARS! Different Strokes!! Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:22 PM  Sorry Dada, This gem remained unanswered! The antonym of " surrenders " cannot be 'surrenders! ' I will have to respectfully disagree with you, Krishnan jee! The antonym is " Assumes responsibility. ..! " Mars surrenders to moon, but assumes the responsibility of/for saturn Moon surrenders to mars/ketu but assumes responsibility for Venus Venus surrenders to mercury, but assumes responsibility for Jupiter Sun surrenders to venus (mercury being the beta, venus becomes beti) but assumes the responsibility for mars (the big beta! Hanumanjee whom Sun taught as a Guru at Hanumanjee's stubborn insistance, hence became a father (One of the Panch-Pitas -- father, teacher, uncle blah blah blah!) ..... Mercury surrenders to Jupiter, but assumes responsibility for 'itself' It is in a unique position, this darling child of Papa SUN! :-) Surrendering means relinquishing out of exhaustion some of the qualities and drives and intrinsic qualities! Does a vanquished mercury make Jupiter in a given chart stronger?? Assuming responsibility means assuming the finer qualities of the Uchcha dispositor! Does the uchchaa venus begin to sound like a Teacher, like GURU? CAVEAT: One factor does not create reality in Jyotish, just the DESIRE! Other factors must cooperate! Hopefully -- Jyotish enough and DIRECT enough for you, Dada? There is a LOT MORE -- where this came from...! Simple enough english, folks, who still haven't gone blurry eyed -- metaphorically- speaking. ..? :-) Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear members, > it is all how we understand and analyse cosmic roles of various planets and their effect on human affairs.It has a good logic and some orderliness too.. > Cyclic factors common in nature.History has periodicity. If ther is exaltation there is debilitatio. If there is fire there is water.Moon surrenders to venus to exalt.Mars surrenders to Moon to debilitate. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: NEECHA MARS! > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:01 PM > > >  > > > > Stop relying on ONE FACTOR and look for who can help that mangal in the specific chart! When a planet is weak, hurting, we jyotishis do not just bandage his wounds or put the salve on and hope that the remedy is done and complete! > > We 'look' carefully for WHO or how many are looking after the injured and helping it. We support those so that they can then look after the mars (or mercury or jupiter or whatever planet!). > > Astrology is about finding, strengthening and sustaining the interplanetary support-system that was a birthday gift for all of us! > > Or one could focus on the diseased but they better be prepared to stay with the sick planet for 24/7 because they failed to utilize the already existing support system! > > Makes COMMON-Sense? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > With Mangala Chacha visting AMMA's house and getting spoiled, and NEECHA in her presence how does it change our lives for good, or for better(especially those with neecha mars already)? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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