Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

[Guest guest]

I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

 

As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

 

I sometimes wonder what is it?

 

What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

 

Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

 

Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not moved at

all and remain STATUS QUO?

 

What do MEMBERS say?

 

WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal agendas but

I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT MAJORITY!

 

PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

 

Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Undoubtedl a motto to provide service in the context of jyotish Vigyaan.Take

along with us desh,Kall Patra and bring out finer elements of AStro

Psychology.Certainly not to serve the palets having different tastes.One and

only jyotish,and give direction by way of pariharas.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

 

Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 11:18 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

 

As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

 

I sometimes wonder what is it?

 

What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

 

Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

 

Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not moved at

all and remain STATUS QUO?

 

What do MEMBERS say?

 

WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal agendas but

I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT MAJORITY!

 

PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir RR JI;

I have learnt a lot since i joined this group.

Babu Suresh ji tried to explain invaluable information to me but i took it like

an offence.

Very late i realised what he intended to mean.

He advised me to see the correlation between lalkitab and other classics.

This gave birth to a question.

Can a person with Virgo lagan do pitri rin remedy for mercury as suggested by

lalkitab.

I put this question to big names in lalkitab and thry are banging their heads

against walls to find out the answer.

There can be such misunderstandings (as i misinterpreted Babu Suresh Ji). but

the group is a respected platform and imparts education and grooms upcoming

astrologers.

I have learnt a lot from the messages in archies written by your goodself and

all others.

Thanks to all the group members.

Kindly continue to promote astrology in a dignified manner.

If some member with low IQ like me misunderstands, he eventually understands

with time. 

 Regards

Kulbir Bains

-------------.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Wed, 20 January, 2010 8:18:11 PM

Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

 

 

I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

 

As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

 

I sometimes wonder what is it?

 

What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

 

Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

 

Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not moved at

all and remain STATUS QUO?

 

What do MEMBERS say?

 

WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal agendas but

I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT MAJORITY!

 

PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rohini Da,

 

I am sure the " silent majority " wants :

 

(1)correct chart analysis free of cost,

 

(2)some good discussion about particular or general astrological issues without

personal attacks.

 

Both issues are correlated, because correct chart analysis often entails some

discussion. Both these issues are helpful for so-called experts as well as for

so-called laymen.

 

" So-called " is not used here against anyone; I really wonder sometimes how to

differentiate an expert of astrology from a layman. It is because mostly a

layman does not stick to any dogma and keeps his/her options open, and is

therefore better placed for learning something than the hardened and ossified

expert who can only teach.

 

-VJ

================== ===

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Sir RR JI;

> I have learnt a lot since i joined this group.

> Babu Suresh ji tried to explain invaluable information to me but i took it

like an offence.

> Very late i realised what he intended to mean.

> He advised me to see the correlation between lalkitab and other classics.

> This gave birth to a question.

> Can a person with Virgo lagan do pitri rin remedy for mercury as suggested by

lalkitab.

> I put this question to big names in lalkitab and thry are banging their heads

against walls to find out the answer.

> There can be such misunderstandings (as i misinterpreted Babu Suresh Ji). but

the group is a respected platform and imparts education and grooms upcoming

astrologers.

> I have learnt a lot from the messages in archies written by your goodself and

all others.

> Thanks to all the group members.

> Kindly continue to promote astrology in a dignified manner.

> If some member with low IQ like me misunderstands, he eventually understands

with time. 

>  Regards

> Kulbir Bains

> -------------.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Wed, 20 January, 2010 8:18:11 PM

> Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

>

>  

> I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

>

> As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

>

> I sometimes wonder what is it?

>

> What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

>

> Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

>

> Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not moved

at all and remain STATUS QUO?

>

> What do MEMBERS say?

>

> WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal agendas

but I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT MAJORITY!

>

> PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jha ji;

The criteria is simple;

No astrologer is better or worse than the last/latest chart analysed by

him/her.

 Regards

Kulbir Bains

-------------.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

VJha <vinayjhaa16

 

Thu, 21 January, 2010 7:40:37 AM

Re: Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

 

 

Rohini Da,

 

I am sure the " silent majority " wants :

 

(1)correct chart analysis free of cost,

 

(2)some good discussion about particular or general astrological issues without

personal attacks.

 

Both issues are correlated, because correct chart analysis often entails some

discussion. Both these issues are helpful for so-called experts as well as for

so-called laymen.

 

" So-called " is not used here against anyone; I really wonder sometimes how to

differentiate an expert of astrology from a layman. It is because mostly a

layman does not stick to any dogma and keeps his/her options open, and is

therefore better placed for learning something than the hardened and ossified

expert who can only teach.

 

-VJ

============ ====== ===

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir RR JI;

> I have learnt a lot since i joined this group.

> Babu Suresh ji tried to explain invaluable information to me but i took it

like an offence.

> Very late i realised what he intended to mean.

> He advised me to see the correlation between lalkitab and other classics.

> This gave birth to a question.

> Can a person with Virgo lagan do pitri rin remedy for mercury as suggested by

lalkitab.

> I put this question to big names in lalkitab and thry are banging their

heads against walls to find out the answer.

> There can be such misunderstandings (as i misinterpreted Babu Suresh Ji). but

the group is a respected platform and imparts education and grooms upcoming

astrologers.

> I have learnt a lot from the messages in archies written by your goodself and

all others.

> Thanks to all the group members.

> Kindly continue to promote astrology in a dignified manner.

> If some member with low IQ like me misunderstands, he eventually understands

with time. 

>  Regards

> Kulbir Bains

> ------------ -.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Wed, 20 January, 2010 8:18:11 PM

> Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

>

>  

> I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

>

> As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

>

> I sometimes wonder what is it?

>

> What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

>

> Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

>

> Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not moved

at all and remain STATUS QUO?

>

> What do MEMBERS say?

>

> WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal agendas

but I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT MAJORITY!

>

> PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unless you are a very detached, sadhu-pravritti, pahunchay huay praani, and

probably you are :-) -- my recommendation would be to not just take just the

last chart into consideration. We all must learn from our successes and

failures, but not just the last one because then lessons will be lost and we

would be drawing the chart in the sand and retaining nothing :-)

 

Most regular human beings learn through multiplicity of experiences, or else it

could become very chaotic! The bipolar highs and lows of successes and failures

would be damaging to the frail human psyche.

 

RR

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Jha ji;

> The criteria is simple;

> No astrologer is better or worse than the last/latest chart analysed by

him/her.

>  Regards

> Kulbir Bains

> -------------.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> VJha <vinayjhaa16

>

> Thu, 21 January, 2010 7:40:37 AM

> Re: Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

>

>  

> Rohini Da,

>

> I am sure the " silent majority " wants :

>

> (1)correct chart analysis free of cost,

>

> (2)some good discussion about particular or general astrological issues

without personal attacks.

>

> Both issues are correlated, because correct chart analysis often entails some

discussion. Both these issues are helpful for so-called experts as well as for

so-called laymen.

>

> " So-called " is not used here against anyone; I really wonder sometimes how to

differentiate an expert of astrology from a layman. It is because mostly a

layman does not stick to any dogma and keeps his/her options open, and is

therefore better placed for learning something than the hardened and ossified

expert who can only teach.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ====== ===

> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir RR JI;

> > I have learnt a lot since i joined this group.

> > Babu Suresh ji tried to explain invaluable information to me but i took it

like an offence.

> > Very late i realised what he intended to mean.

> > He advised me to see the correlation between lalkitab and other classics.

> > This gave birth to a question.

> > Can a person with Virgo lagan do pitri rin remedy for mercury as suggested

by lalkitab.

> > I put this question to big names in lalkitab and thry are banging their

heads against walls to find out the answer.

> > There can be such misunderstandings (as i misinterpreted Babu Suresh Ji).

but the group is a respected platform and imparts education and grooms upcoming

astrologers.

> > I have learnt a lot from the messages in archies written by your goodself

and all others.

> > Thanks to all the group members.

> > Kindly continue to promote astrology in a dignified manner.

> > If some member with low IQ like me misunderstands, he eventually understands

with time. 

> >  Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> > ------------ -.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Wed, 20 January, 2010 8:18:11 PM

> > Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

> >

> >  

> > I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

> >

> > As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

> >

> > I sometimes wonder what is it?

> >

> > What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

> >

> > Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

> >

> > Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not moved

at all and remain STATUS QUO?

> >

> > What do MEMBERS say?

> >

> > WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal agendas

but I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT MAJORITY!

> >

> > PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay-Da (for reasons discussed elsewhere :-)),

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to write, despite your many projects.

 

As I mentioned to Suresh_je and other Member jees in a recent post (few minutes

senior to this one!), I realize that a high percentage perhaps wants item #1 and

this forum probably is the only one that is dedicated to providing that and has

done so for years. So, it is not even useful to discuss that. Haath Kangan ko

aarsi kya, as they say.

 

Item #2 is a bit tricky and I am not qualified to comment on that! I think those

here that think of themselves as teachers and actually have teaching experience

and the necessary clarity of thinking, speech and ability to transfer knowledge

to others are probably more suited to respond or address that. For teaching

astrology, it is necessary to have theoretical and practical knowledge and

experience but also teaching experience (in whatever field it matters little)

and of course the intrinsic ability :-)

 

Again, I am speaking in general terms and not pointing some YOD as the western

astrologers call it -- at anyone in particular.

 

And basic mental stability and equanimity and a person at complete peace with

oneself is very useful if not absolutely essential. I have seen many very good

astrologers and teachers with rather short fuses, as I am sure you may have too!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Rohini Da,

>

> I am sure the " silent majority " wants :

>

> (1)correct chart analysis free of cost,

>

> (2)some good discussion about particular or general astrological issues

without personal attacks.

>

> Both issues are correlated, because correct chart analysis often entails some

discussion. Both these issues are helpful for so-called experts as well as for

so-called laymen.

>

> " So-called " is not used here against anyone; I really wonder sometimes how to

differentiate an expert of astrology from a layman. It is because mostly a

layman does not stick to any dogma and keeps his/her options open, and is

therefore better placed for learning something than the hardened and ossified

expert who can only teach.

>

> -VJ

> ================== ===

> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir RR JI;

> > I have learnt a lot since i joined this group.

> > Babu Suresh ji tried to explain invaluable information to me but i took it

like an offence.

> > Very late i realised what he intended to mean.

> > He advised me to see the correlation between lalkitab and other classics.

> > This gave birth to a question.

> > Can a person with Virgo lagan do pitri rin remedy for mercury as suggested

by lalkitab.

> > I put this question to big names in lalkitab and thry are banging their

heads against walls to find out the answer.

> > There can be such misunderstandings (as i misinterpreted Babu Suresh Ji).

but the group is a respected platform and imparts education and grooms upcoming

astrologers.

> > I have learnt a lot from the messages in archies written by your goodself

and all others.

> > Thanks to all the group members.

> > Kindly continue to promote astrology in a dignified manner.

> > If some member with low IQ like me misunderstands, he eventually understands

with time. 

> >  Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> > -------------.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> >

> > Wed, 20 January, 2010 8:18:11 PM

> > Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

> >

> >  

> > I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

> >

> > As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

> >

> > I sometimes wonder what is it?

> >

> > What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

> >

> > Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

> >

> > Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not moved

at all and remain STATUS QUO?

> >

> > What do MEMBERS say?

> >

> > WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal agendas

but I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT MAJORITY!

> >

> > PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Rohini Da,

 

Your language contains layers of meanings, some of which are often

misinterpreted as offensive. I think it can be avoided if you right plainer

English, instead of using double or treble entendres like Vinay-Da which has

following possible meanings :

 

(1) Others may imagine that you are junior to me, which is not the case, hence

this meaning was certainly not what you intended but may be derived by those

members who have not read with relevant past posts.

 

(2) Vinay minus Da : Dash may be interpreted as minus sign, which means Vinay is

junior to either you or to everyone; I rule out this meaning, although some

members belonging to " lemon-squeeze school of literary criticism " mentioned by T

S Eliot may derive such a meaning.

 

(3) The most probable meaning is third : " for reasons discussed elsewhere " ,

which suggests I am fit for being abused.

 

This third meaning is reinforced by your last statement ( " And basic mental

stability and equanimity and a person at complete peace with oneself is very

useful if not absolutely essential. I have seen many very good astrologers and

teachers with rather short fuses, as I am sure you may have too! " ).

 

The implication is clear : a person like me with short fuse lacks " basic mental

stability and equanimity " and is therefore unfit for teaching.

 

You may imagine that I am deriving too much of meaning from your harmless

statement. But that is not the case. I have no interest in what you or others

think of me. The point I want to raise is about some issues.

 

I am not a teacher, esp in any internet forum. Hence, I do not need long (or

short) fuses which " stalwarts " possess. I do not teach even those who call

themselves my chelas (eg, the students in my schools and colleges ), because I

never recruited any chela. In my schools and colleges I appoint teachers with

long fuses to teach and I fire teachers with short fuses in the manner you are

firing me here. But you are firing a person who did not apply for being

appointed a teacher.

 

There is a reason why I do not want to become a teacher, which I have mentioned

obliquely in some of my previous posts, although I hoped a clairvoyant like you

might have divined that reason through statements in some of my past posts, such

as : Jyotisha ought to be taught to persons who possess the qualifications

suggested by Sage Parashara. Jyotisha students as well as teachers must be

Jitendriya, Buddhimaana (in+telligent and not ex+telligent), etc. But an

ignorant chela prefers an ignorant guru as last skandha of Shri Mad-Bhaagavata

says.

 

Senior teachers in Ujjain, Allahabad, Patna, Varanasi and in many other cities

who have heard my lectures think otherwise. Siddhanta (Ganita & c) is the

foundation of Jyotisha and none of internet astrologer I know has any interest

in Siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha, because they have preconceived notions about

the perfection of this or that mathematical system. When I requested them to

test various mathematical systems, you know whose fuse got short. I have stopped

requesting these stalwarts with long fuses who possess " basic mental stability

and equanimity " to test various options, because I know what they are and what

they want. They want readymade and popular ganita, whose criterion of truth is

mere popularity and not a non-abusive shaastraartha.

 

You know I withstood long tirades against me in AIA, till I concluded that

toleration beyond a certain limit is stupidity. That limit is defined by

sincerity. When I find the abuser to be misguided or misunderstanding me, I try

to explain. But when I find the abuser insincere and dishonest, I retort

instantly. Sir, " short fuse " means inability to work or communicate under high

pressure. You are mistaken here. No amount of abuses forced me to resign from

discussions, I resigned when I found the persons insincerely wasting my time.

You misunderstand me on some points and I have no desire to remove your

misunderstandings because you said you will test my software after the whole

world, esp some mlechchhas accept it. I do not need certificates either for

popularizing my softwares or myself. I repeat that my task is over : I

computerized the traditional method and made it available to others. I am not

interested in making it more user friendly or making it fit for all platforms,

although I may try to do so if I get time & c.

 

For three years, I have been declining invitaions from recognized Sanskrit

universities (eg, Sampoornananda Sanskrit University in Varanasi) to deliver

lectures on Jyotisha. My reluctance to teach has earned me many foes, who think

I am hiding what I possess. They do not know how I learned Jyotisha. My late

Guruji taught me three L's "

 

(1) Learn only that much which you can remember even after death; there is no

need to learn a thing which you must forget in successive lives.

 

(2) Learn only from the Omniscient ; there is no need to learn from those who

are themselves in need of further knowledge,.

 

(3) Learn only those disciplines which are necessary for your permanent good

(even after death).

 

I should not elaborate these points here, because no one needs it here.

 

Socrates had said that no one teaches anyone anything, we accept only that much

which we already know. All knowledge lies hidden beneath the Unconscious, there

is need of re+searching it properly.

 

Indian tradition is of Teaching between guru and shishya, and Shaastraartha

between gurus or would-be-gurus. Internet is unfit for both, because both

Teaching and Shaastraartha need face to face discourse. That is why I am neither

a guru nor a chela on any internet forum. Hence, there is no need of rejecting

or accepting me as a teacher, because I never applied for being appointed as a

teacher. Ask Prashant Ji, he enumerates stalwarts like you, Suresh Babu, Vattem

Krishnan, etc among " senior " members. I am satisfied with my status as a junior

member, as Vinay+minus+Da. You may misinterpret my reluctance to teach as my

inability to teach on account of short fuse and lack of mental ability and

equanimity.

 

Please do not misinterpret this message as an angry response. Here, I am quoting

a verse of Ashtaavakra :

 

" Brahmin is senior by dint of knowledge, Kshatriya is senior in power/strength,

Vaishya is senior on account of wealth, and Shudra is senior by age. "

 

Then, the minor boy Ashtaavakra said he was the seniormost because he was the

most knowledgeable, which he proved is shaastraartha in Janaka's court. He was

not a megalomaniac. Shaastraartha is the only proper means of preserving the

Shaastra, because the meaning or artha of Shaastra can be ascertained only by

means of a proper shaastraartha. European system of scholarship has destroyed

genuine knowledge. Piles of papers accumulated by means of sitting in libraries

and citing references from dead books have become proofs of genuine research.

This system of scholarship can produce and encourage only worldly knowledge

whose proof is empirical, but spiritual knowledge can be proven by means of a

face to face shaastraartha. In a shaastraartha, it is easy to bring out the

falsehood. Vedaanga is a part of Veda which is another name for Spiritual

Knowledge.

 

Sir, heads of Jyotisha departments of Sampoornanada Sanskrit University (Dr

Nagendra Pandey, still HOD), of BHU (Dr Ramchandra Pandey, now retd.) and of

Lalbahadur Shastri Kendriya Vidyaapeetha (Dr Shukdeva Chaturvedi, now retd.)

were openly saying that Suryasiddhanta is an outdated work and it should be

updated with the help of modern science. But after the conference at

Sampoornanand Sanskrit University on 18 Oct 2005, they have stopped making such

statements, and it was unanimously decided at that conference that all

panchangas must be made strictly according to Suryasiddhanta. This U-turn was a

result of face-to-face discussions, although some of the participants still have

doubts about the efficacy of Suryasiddhanta because their prejudice prevents

them from testing it. You may see the bottom of this webpage :

 

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/NASA%27s_Report%3B_%26_my_Paper_accepted_by\

_CAOS%2C_IISc

 

The last newspaper item on above page is headed " UGC ko bheji jaayegi shuddha

panchanga pariyojanaa) " . That project has been prepared by current HOD of BHU

who is seeking Rs 60 lakhs from UGC to make a panchanga-making software on the

basis of Suryasiddhanta, not informing the UGC that such a free software made by

VJ is already available. You can find this project on BHU website. BHU is your

Alma Mater. Why your Alma Mater is taking recourse to acts which can be booked

under section 420 of IPC ?

 

The university which decided to use my Suryasiddhantic software for its

panchanga (cf.

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Credentials )

is still not ready to accept my software, because the decision in my favour was

made due to shaastraartha held in pandit-sabhas called by the Vice Chancellor to

follow an order by Patna High Court, and the current Vice Chancellor was later

bribed by the defeated party to disobey court order (there is a pending contempt

of court case).

 

Sir, I am successfully using legal actions to bring these " official teachers " to

book. But the self-appointed teachers on internet are not in my agenda. You are

better placed than me to bring them to book, because you possess " basic mental

stability and equanimity " and do not have a " short fuse " like me. But you will

not do that.

 

There is no need to answer or to provide explanations, although you will

probably not heed this last request. I have no misgivings about you. I know you

are a good teacher in phalita jyotisha, whether you accept it or not, and I rate

you higher than some international luminaries in Vedic Jyotisha who have better

yogas for fame in their personal charts than you but lack your balanced

approach and often propose novelties on shaky foundations. I want more articles

from you on boloji. But I also know you have no interest in ganita aspect and

take it for granted that modern astronomy has no alternative in Vedic Jyotisha.

It is not my duty to rekindle such an interest in you, and you may stick to your

siddhanta. This last statement is sincere, I am really not interested in

becoming a teacher of even those who call me Guruji. I have neither the

capability nor time.

 

I apologize if any of my statement has offended you. Recently, I decided to

shift my residence to a vehicle so that I could roam freely from here to there :

ramataa jogi bahataa paani. In future, I will shift my residence to another

non-physical vehicle so that I should not remain perched to this dead world of

near-dead souls who have no time for their own souls. Ignorance can be cured,

but there is no cure for prejudice.

 

-VJ

========================= ===

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay-Da (for reasons discussed elsewhere :-)),

>

> Thank you so much for taking the time to write, despite your many projects.

>

> As I mentioned to Suresh_je and other Member jees in a recent post (few

minutes senior to this one!), I realize that a high percentage perhaps wants

item #1 and this forum probably is the only one that is dedicated to providing

that and has done so for years. So, it is not even useful to discuss that. Haath

Kangan ko aarsi kya, as they say.

>

> Item #2 is a bit tricky and I am not qualified to comment on that! I think

those here that think of themselves as teachers and actually have teaching

experience and the necessary clarity of thinking, speech and ability to transfer

knowledge to others are probably more suited to respond or address that. For

teaching astrology, it is necessary to have theoretical and practical knowledge

and experience but also teaching experience (in whatever field it matters

little) and of course the intrinsic ability :-)

>

> Again, I am speaking in general terms and not pointing some YOD as the western

astrologers call it -- at anyone in particular.

>

> And basic mental stability and equanimity and a person at complete peace with

oneself is very useful if not absolutely essential. I have seen many very good

astrologers and teachers with rather short fuses, as I am sure you may have too!

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini Da,

> >

> > I am sure the " silent majority " wants :

> >

> > (1)correct chart analysis free of cost,

> >

> > (2)some good discussion about particular or general astrological issues

without personal attacks.

> >

> > Both issues are correlated, because correct chart analysis often entails

some discussion. Both these issues are helpful for so-called experts as well as

for so-called laymen.

> >

> > " So-called " is not used here against anyone; I really wonder sometimes how

to differentiate an expert of astrology from a layman. It is because mostly a

layman does not stick to any dogma and keeps his/her options open, and is

therefore better placed for learning something than the hardened and ossified

expert who can only teach.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ================== ===

> > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir RR JI;

> > > I have learnt a lot since i joined this group.

> > > Babu Suresh ji tried to explain invaluable information to me but i took it

like an offence.

> > > Very late i realised what he intended to mean.

> > > He advised me to see the correlation between lalkitab and other classics.

> > > This gave birth to a question.

> > > Can a person with Virgo lagan do pitri rin remedy for mercury as suggested

by lalkitab.

> > > I put this question to big names in lalkitab and thry are banging their

heads against walls to find out the answer.

> > > There can be such misunderstandings (as i misinterpreted Babu Suresh Ji).

but the group is a respected platform and imparts education and grooms upcoming

astrologers.

> > > I have learnt a lot from the messages in archies written by your goodself

and all others.

> > > Thanks to all the group members.

> > > Kindly continue to promote astrology in a dignified manner.

> > > If some member with low IQ like me misunderstands, he eventually

understands with time. 

> > >  Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > > -------------.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > >

> > > Wed, 20 January, 2010 8:18:11 PM

> > > Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

> > >

> > >  

> > > I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

> > >

> > > As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

> > >

> > > I sometimes wonder what is it?

> > >

> > > What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

> > >

> > > Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

> > >

> > > Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not

moved at all and remain STATUS QUO?

> > >

> > > What do MEMBERS say?

> > >

> > > WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal

agendas but I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT

MAJORITY!

> > >

> > > PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I am enlightened by the insights taught by two teachers Rohiniranjan Ji and

Lalkitab Ji. The latter was true in the sense that each new chart made by an

astrologer reveals some aspect of astrology. Rohiniranjan Ji made a good

psychoanalysis of my " frail psyche " with a " short fuse " and lacking " basic

mental stability and equanimity " (cf. a previous post to me) which is prone to

be damaged with " bipolar highs and lows of successes and failures " .

 

I thank the stalwarts like RR Ji for teaching me the shortcomings in my

character and in my knowledge. I thank him for his free of cost teachings and

preachings. I hope to learn more in future, esp from RR Ji.

 

RR Ji really did not mean any harm. But I must bring to fore the layers of

meanings in his statements. I apologize for doing so.

 

-VJ

======================== ==

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Unless you are a very detached, sadhu-pravritti, pahunchay huay praani, and

probably you are :-) -- my recommendation would be to not just take just the

last chart into consideration. We all must learn from our successes and

failures, but not just the last one because then lessons will be lost and we

would be drawing the chart in the sand and retaining nothing :-)

>

> Most regular human beings learn through multiplicity of experiences, or else

it could become very chaotic! The bipolar highs and lows of successes and

failures would be damaging to the frail human psyche.

>

> RR

>

> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jha ji;

> > The criteria is simple;

> > No astrologer is better or worse than the last/latest chart analysed by

him/her.

> >  Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> > -------------.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > VJha <vinayjhaa16@>

> >

> > Thu, 21 January, 2010 7:40:37 AM

> > Re: Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

> >

> >  

> > Rohini Da,

> >

> > I am sure the " silent majority " wants :

> >

> > (1)correct chart analysis free of cost,

> >

> > (2)some good discussion about particular or general astrological issues

without personal attacks.

> >

> > Both issues are correlated, because correct chart analysis often entails

some discussion. Both these issues are helpful for so-called experts as well as

for so-called laymen.

> >

> > " So-called " is not used here against anyone; I really wonder sometimes how

to differentiate an expert of astrology from a layman. It is because mostly a

layman does not stick to any dogma and keeps his/her options open, and is

therefore better placed for learning something than the hardened and ossified

expert who can only teach.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ====== ===

> > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir RR JI;

> > > I have learnt a lot since i joined this group.

> > > Babu Suresh ji tried to explain invaluable information to me but i took it

like an offence.

> > > Very late i realised what he intended to mean.

> > > He advised me to see the correlation between lalkitab and other

classics.

> > > This gave birth to a question.

> > > Can a person with Virgo lagan do pitri rin remedy for mercury as suggested

by lalkitab.

> > > I put this question to big names in lalkitab and thry are banging their

heads against walls to find out the answer.

> > > There can be such misunderstandings (as i misinterpreted Babu Suresh Ji).

but the group is a respected platform and imparts education and grooms upcoming

astrologers.

> > > I have learnt a lot from the messages in archies written by your goodself

and all others.

> > > Thanks to all the group members.

> > > Kindly continue to promote astrology in a dignified manner.

> > > If some member with low IQ like me misunderstands, he eventually

understands with time. 

> > >  Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > > ------------ -.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > Wed, 20 January, 2010 8:18:11 PM

> > > Sudarshana Chakra became Sudarshana Varga!

> > >

> > >  

> > > I was getting tired of that typo in the subject header: " Amuk Amuk will be

NANNED! "

> > >

> > > As if J_R were some North Indian Tandoor or bhatti!

> > >

> > > I sometimes wonder what is it?

> > >

> > > What is Jyotish Remedies Forum's current mandate?

> > >

> > > Despite what the HOME PAGE says!

> > >

> > > Have we changed a bit, have we moved ahead or backwards or have we not

moved at all and remain STATUS QUO?

> > >

> > > What do MEMBERS say?

> > >

> > > WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT? Not the few vocal folks with their personal

agendas but I want to hear SINCERELY from the WALLFLOWERS -- THE SILENT

MAJORITY!

> > >

> > > PLEASE OBLIGE ME/US! Come forward and express and see democracy in action!

Without POLYTRICKS or POLITICS!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> > >

> > >