Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 The music that never ends...! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetuum_mobile Best exemplified by Jyotish discussions! The strain just keeps going on and on with newer variations thrown in into the mix ad infinitum. As one must have noticed, one ends up with endless yogas and combinations, in articles and books that try to explain how astrology works. It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' what some uncharitably call, " Post-Mortem Astrology " , while the more genteel address the phenomenon as a posteriori astrology. Software makers have tried to plug into their pattern-identification algorithm these yogas and so on but all that comes out is a jumbled confusing mess, that still requires a jyotishi to figure out things and to make the reading more personal for the nativity! Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not! If a Queen and the wife of her servant give birth to children more or less at the same time, surely their fate may be connected but not the same, despite similar charts! <<Let us leave out the twins just to keep the angry ones focused!>> I would humbly request the " Gurujees " to throw some light on that. Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Rohini Da, You have raised very good points (<<<It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' ........Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not!>>>), but you have asked only the " Gurujees " to answer, hence lesser mortals like me must keep away. Should I point out that you believe no one can answer this question ( " What makes a yoga fructify or not! " ), that is why you have prevented anyone to enter into this discussion by using a term " Gurujees " ?? Why you think if you cannot answer this question, no one can ?? This is the most essential point which makes a person real astrologer. But such a question cannot be answered on internet. If you ever come to India and meet me, I will certainly remove some of your doubts regarding this question, although I am not a teacher and do not know much. You know the human imitations prevent us to be foolproof and we err even if charts are correct. But charts are not always correct and it is wrong to assume that all charts can be proven to be correct through post the event analyses. I differ from you on this point : a large number of charts made on the basis of modern astronomy cannot be properly explained even after the event along predefined set of rules, unless the rules are modified each time to suit each chart. For instance, in one case you will use D9 to explain an event, in another you will neglect D9 because it fails and will use some other chart such as varsha-phala or may invent Narayan-dasha or Vishnu-dasha or Shiva-dasha or Durga-dasha. It is no methodology. It is insincerity, and I am not for such persons. They can only abuse Jyotisha. If D9 is useful, it must be explained why it does not work in a given situation. And such explanations must be there in all cases. Otherwise, your ganita is faulty and you must test some alternative ganita. -VJ ============================ ===== , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > The music that never ends...! > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetuum_mobile > > Best exemplified by Jyotish discussions! The strain just keeps going on and on with newer variations thrown in into the mix ad infinitum. > > As one must have noticed, one ends up with endless yogas and combinations, in articles and books that try to explain how astrology works. > > It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' what some uncharitably call, " Post-Mortem Astrology " , while the more genteel address the phenomenon as a posteriori astrology. > > Software makers have tried to plug into their pattern-identification algorithm these yogas and so on but all that comes out is a jumbled confusing mess, that still requires a jyotishi to figure out things and to make the reading more personal for the nativity! > > Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not! > > If a Queen and the wife of her servant give birth to children more or less at the same time, surely their fate may be connected but not the same, despite similar charts! <<Let us leave out the twins just to keep the angry ones focused!>> > > I would humbly request the " Gurujees " to throw some light on that. > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dear Vinay jee, My apologies to all and sundry if you or anyone else has felt " inhibited " by my including " Gurujees " in my question email (in the the radix of this thread)! From the recent attacks on me, generally baseless and sans provocation -- I had not presumed that this forum had " shrinking violets " ! More like, " SHREIKING VIOLENTS! " But be that as it may, you seem to have somehow taken it personally that by not accepting your claims about Surya-Siddhanta longitudes, I am somehow denouncing your observations. That is not the case at all, Vinay jee (see I am capable of learning! I am not using the hyphen or underscore anymore, though both the left and right pinkies (little fingers) are working well! -_) You see, I am essentially a very simple person and please do not go by your impression of what you read on the internet! I really am an ant, a naganya speck in this Creation...). Perhaps the way I write creates some people to conjure up some Maya about me which is not my fault, is it? You are right, I with my limited capabilities and limited time cannot spend a lot of time or effort on getting everything perfect! My favourite TV show (Sorry to bore you) is M.A.S.H. a military hospital where the bodies must be patched together and sent back to the front-line or home, depending on the condition! While I admire the perfectionists who do their research and academic discussions and so on, the wounded do not stop arriving at alarming rates and must be taken care of and patched up. So some of us do not have the luxury of time to wait for the best sliced bread to arrive from the Factories of Intellect but to make do with what we have! Until someone can demonstrate time and again (and not just claim) using the same subject material that we use and work with! You are not hearing this for the first time from me, I am sure! We are not into academic discussions and we do not predict for the Weather bureau or for the Stock market! At least I do not! Please take this in the spirit of awakening because unless I am frightfully mistaken, you are an awakened spirit or almost there! Regards, Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > You have raised very good points (<<<It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' ........Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not!>>>), but you have asked only the " Gurujees " to answer, hence lesser mortals like me must keep away. > > Should I point out that you believe no one can answer this question ( " What makes a yoga fructify or not! " ), that is why you have prevented anyone to enter into this discussion by using a term " Gurujees " ?? > > Why you think if you cannot answer this question, no one can ?? > > This is the most essential point which makes a person real astrologer. But such a question cannot be answered on internet. If you ever come to India and meet me, I will certainly remove some of your doubts regarding this question, although I am not a teacher and do not know much. > > You know the human imitations prevent us to be foolproof and we err even if charts are correct. > > But charts are not always correct and it is wrong to assume that all charts can be proven to be correct through post the event analyses. I differ from you on this point : a large number of charts made on the basis of modern astronomy cannot be properly explained even after the event along predefined set of rules, unless the rules are modified each time to suit each chart. For instance, in one case you will use D9 to explain an event, in another you will neglect D9 because it fails and will use some other chart such as varsha-phala or may invent Narayan-dasha or Vishnu-dasha or Shiva-dasha or Durga-dasha. It is no methodology. It is insincerity, and I am not for such persons. They can only abuse Jyotisha. If D9 is useful, it must be explained why it does not work in a given situation. And such explanations must be there in all cases. Otherwise, your ganita is faulty and you must test some alternative ganita. > > -VJ > ============================ ===== > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > The music that never ends...! > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetuum_mobile > > > > Best exemplified by Jyotish discussions! The strain just keeps going on and on with newer variations thrown in into the mix ad infinitum. > > > > As one must have noticed, one ends up with endless yogas and combinations, in articles and books that try to explain how astrology works. > > > > It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' what some uncharitably call, " Post-Mortem Astrology " , while the more genteel address the phenomenon as a posteriori astrology. > > > > Software makers have tried to plug into their pattern-identification algorithm these yogas and so on but all that comes out is a jumbled confusing mess, that still requires a jyotishi to figure out things and to make the reading more personal for the nativity! > > > > Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not! > > > > If a Queen and the wife of her servant give birth to children more or less at the same time, surely their fate may be connected but not the same, despite similar charts! <<Let us leave out the twins just to keep the angry ones focused!>> > > > > I would humbly request the " Gurujees " to throw some light on that. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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