Perpetuum Mobilé for the Yogas to ring in

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Sirs,

it is almost a common approach for most of the people to assess the strength of

a chart by way of yogas and refer also to the dasa and the strength of the dasa

lord and his placment.

Then andThere v hesitate to pronounce the good effect/result like to take place

unless v find the transit or gochara also is also good for the yogas to

fructify.

2.when v talk of yogas v r mainly concerned about yogas arising out of

benifics(jupiter and Venus) and in the context of their placement in a

bhava(concerning kendras or trikonas).For them to fructify we need also to

consider prtayantar lord signiifcnace.Existence of yoga as seen from chart is

some thing different and for them to rings there are several factors that need

to be taken into account to say the yogas have fructified.

3.In normal cases which v deal on day today basis,v come across little or even

seldom

find them.Most of the raja Yogas fructify only later to attaining the age of 32

yrs.In some of the popular personalities and celebs v find the gogas

materialising at a very late stage and for the native it will become an extended

innings.

4.The topic is so specific and intersting and is worth discussing seperately

ascertain views than comment as part of some thing else not very particulalr to

the yoga matter.

Vattem Krishnan

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--- On Thu, 1/21/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

VJha <vinayjhaa16

Re: Perpetuum Mobilé

 

Thursday, January 21, 2010, 10:23 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rohini Da,

 

You have raised very good points (<<<It is humanly impossible for even most

intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for

this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading!

Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact'

........Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the

additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not!>>>), but you have asked

only the " Gurujees " to answer, hence lesser mortals like me must keep away.

 

Should I point out that you believe no one can answer this question ( " What makes

a yoga fructify or not! " ), that is why you have prevented anyone to enter into

this discussion by using a term " Gurujees " ??

 

Why you think if you cannot answer this question, no one can ??

 

This is the most essential point which makes a person real astrologer. But such

a question cannot be answered on internet. If you ever come to India and meet

me, I will certainly remove some of your doubts regarding this question,

although I am not a teacher and do not know much.

 

You know the human imitations prevent us to be foolproof and we err even if

charts are correct.

 

But charts are not always correct and it is wrong to assume that all charts can

be proven to be correct through post the event analyses. I differ from you on

this point : a large number of charts made on the basis of modern astronomy

cannot be properly explained even after the event along predefined set of rules,

unless the rules are modified each time to suit each chart. For instance, in one

case you will use D9 to explain an event, in another you will neglect D9 because

it fails and will use some other chart such as varsha-phala or may invent

Narayan-dasha or Vishnu-dasha or Shiva-dasha or Durga-dasha. It is no

methodology. It is insincerity, and I am not for such persons. They can only

abuse Jyotisha. If D9 is useful, it must be explained why it does not work in a

given situation. And such explanations must be there in all cases. Otherwise,

your ganita is faulty and you must test some alternative ganita.

 

-VJ

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, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....>

wrote:

>

> The music that never ends...!

>

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Perpetuum_ mobile

>

> Best exemplified by Jyotish discussions! The strain just keeps going on and on

with newer variations thrown in into the mix ad infinitum.

>

> As one must have noticed, one ends up with endless yogas and combinations, in

articles and books that try to explain how astrology works.

>

> It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and

remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring

it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get

noted and highlighted 'after the fact' what some uncharitably call, " Post-Mortem

Astrology " , while the more genteel address the phenomenon as a posteriori

astrology.

>

> Software makers have tried to plug into their pattern-identificat ion

algorithm these yogas and so on but all that comes out is a jumbled confusing

mess, that still requires a jyotishi to figure out things and to make the

reading more personal for the nativity!

>

> Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the

additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not!

>

> If a Queen and the wife of her servant give birth to children more or less at

the same time, surely their fate may be connected but not the same, despite

similar charts! <<Let us leave out the twins just to keep the angry ones

focused!>>

>

> I would humbly request the " Gurujees " to throw some light on that.

>

> Rohiniranjan

>