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Dear Members.

Jyotish as learnt in a traditional system of Ved Pathsalas,Sanskrit

University,those jyotishis,for whom it is a family oriented occupation of

performing ceremonies,fixing muhurtaas,taking up pariahhara poojas and those

already settled in life learnt Astrology through Institutions later 1990s and in

the process of updation of knowledge by way of journals,seminars and workshops.

The first category continue to guide the society and those in need in towns and

villages by drawing traditional charts,give predictions and offer services in a

manner befitting to them by way of gems and poojas/shanties.This include nadi

jyotish also

The other category mainly urban in nature and not accessible by social contacts

work in groups in cities and in urban areas.they have computers.software and may

not offer remedial services but provide advices.For them it is a service and

also more interested in publications analysis and discussions

Therfore is no winder the advices offered vary and it becomes more as one runs

from one end to another.

Infact in this forum v have already seen somebody writing that his chart says

moon as so and so and the doshas pointed out are different.where as in the group

the chart through some software made out and solutions handed out are

diametrically different.No wonder:

//flummoxed and frustrated by the multiple solutions that they have received// 

as they keep taking 2nd reading.3rd reading from different people for different

situations.

Infact I know members in this group writing the same problem oft repeatedly and

getting tired as they are either confused or lost elesewhere.

I do not know whether v have to blame the jyotish itself or balme those system

which has made them jyitishis or the people whose faith is questionable in

jyotish?

Our software for jyotish is different to find rasi is changed,dasa is not

identical.bhava changes and bahvalord becomes malefic etc are often informed and

discussed.Finally the person has no way to say:Un as his

faith/confidence/appreciation of jyotish finds to be irrelevant

Finally,I also do not believe those seeking solutions are confused as their

problem is specific,they understand how it is affecting their lives and find a

solution in a way that suits them and deal with them.

If Iam having " rhematic pains " and consulted doctors from various systems and

tried,i take myself responsibility for my diseases and illness to mange it does

not aggarvate but allows me to attend to all my activities with out any

hinderance.If necessary a pain reliver,yoga for maininting my systems in

condition and also homeopathy/ayurveda/naturopathy to avoid aggarvation.This

ecclectic/assorted systems are to be resorted to be with in the reach of a

possible solution.

It is like Brahma sankalp to create universe and we as individuals too can make

our destiny if only v do not loose heart,believe in ourselves and our efforts

and in our hope to do better with our source or knowledge to give us confidnce

and to make untiring efforts to improve our will power to advise people that not

to get frustated and their wish will be fulfilled,if they keep pursuing as per

advice/suggestion.Better late than never.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: query - bhakut dosha

 

Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dada,

 

I know that my way of thinking perhaps irritates some people who are very

intelligent and have process-oriented minds or those whose training has been in

the black and white reality of numbers and math (without mincing words and

hopefully not sounding offensive: Engineers, businessmen, Doctors, Accountants,

Math teachers, and those from similar pursuits) who have beautifully embraced

astrology and are bringing much to light.

 

But, I would like to retain my sensitivity and accommodative position towards

those who seek astro-advice.

 

A few of these may be naughty and perhaps " disturbed " but most are perhaps

simply confused. Confused because they may have tried many jyotishis (or other

divinators! Jyotishis alone are not responsible for the confusion rampant in the

world!) and flummoxed and frustrated by the multiple solutions that they have

received! It is a fact and simply the reality and none of us really have the

time, or resources to take up that Torch and make it our life's project to

resolve!

 

It is a very big responsibility to try and CLEAN-UP the HUGE DOMAIN that Jyotish

has become with a lot of heavy politics and personal agendas and lot of

KOOTNEETI, as we see from time to time...

 

But as the hindustani saying goes: Nakkarkhaanay main Tutee ki kya awaaz. Kaun

suntaa hai the soothing sound of the mountain-brook -- Nagaadon kay dhamaakon

kay beech!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Sirs,

> Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds:

> 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw

> 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service

> It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the

learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance

meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Gopu ji & others,

>

> Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and

writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes

to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that

may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless

statements shall only confuse them further.

>

> Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to

obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are

realy serious will find out themselves.   

>

> Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived.

>

> Marriage compatabilty

> ============ ========= =

> Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common

nature due to values they harbor.

>

> Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed,

It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the

need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real

idea about why they are formed.

>

> Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in

order to safe guard this institution.

>

> A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state

of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self.

>

> These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but

prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be

permissable.

>

> The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live

together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them

apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of

time  when sorrow strikes.

>

> These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on

together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not

that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is

such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish

some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc.

>

> This is very clear from the following:

> " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah

> sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa "

>

> The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him

(deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant

even if all the other compatabilities are not there..

>

> There a few factors to be well understood here.

> A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors

that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of

calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As

we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing

& less controlable.

>

> It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to

take over and push you on the side.

>

> b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an

itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just

a passing fiction of mind.

>

> C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on

together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos.

They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus

the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid.

>

> In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for

intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the

bondage  sooner than expected.

>

> The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may

differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the

same.

>   

> Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values

in their society.

>

> Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.

>

> Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path

together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.

>

> But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then

there is not use of such system or astrology.

>

>  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

>

> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

>  

> dear shri krishnaji,

> Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative

> factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is

> harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also

> cliks and they live a happy life.

>  

>  

> regards,

> k.gopu

>

> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM

>

>  

>

> Rohini Ji,

> Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only

kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of  sharing of

concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires.

> Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two

individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of

feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any

marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of

trust and even conceit.

> As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get

cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys

with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is

the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.

> Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two

persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged

arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to

have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: query - bhakut dosha

>

> Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM

>

>  

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in

Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course!

>

> Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically

ponder about!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or

against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to

the one who has to finally decide good or bad.

> > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of

good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false.

> > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the

native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old

version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.

> > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to  " prevent " some thing

may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and

challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against

Dharam/Sastras or what ever.

> > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in

which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this

relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >  

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: query - bhakut dosha

> >

> > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aditi,

> >

> > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic

end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find

that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two

text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS,

Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO

EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples

and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool

type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I

hear!).

> >

> > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is

Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples!

Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish!

> >

> > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust

(TIDDA) does not warn of a famine!

> >

> > Take care...!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello/ Namaste,

> > >

> > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is

bhakut dosha?

> > >

> > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of

view?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Aditi Budhiraja

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >