Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dear Krishnan Dada, I do not know, what you ask astrologically :-? Your question was: " WHO R U? " When the kiddies were tiny and we used to watch Walt Disney movies like Alice in Wonderland and laugh at the *poignant* delivery of the Caterpillar perched atop the mushroom -- little did I know that one day they will be attacked by an 'uncle' of sorts on a forum like this one that their father frequented :-( But that is reality and I just hope and pray that I am not the only one learning from the most recent TERRORIST attack on JYOTISH_REMEDIES by those who just seek .... and REALLY JUST THE -- PEANUTS!! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Rohini Dada > " 'while you remain unscathed and un-attacked :-) > Dada !, You know by westren terms Iam a Leo and in Indian a cancer with Sun and the moon that hesitstes to laugh is in capricorn.And disputable sagittarian by lagna. > For me Astrology is always religious orientation and Iam frieghtened by the concept of Nine Planets. > I always hold a flag as If I patronise Red Cross.I often pray for The spirit of Nightingale in me,.makes only control my nerves(hyper tension and the modulation) > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Perpetuum Mobilé > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 10:12 PM > > >  > > > > Hmm... Krishnan dada! > > And yet, I get attacked by the low, moderate, high who live here or visit from time to time when they are chased away from other ZOOs -- for writing complex text and with pleas to bring it down to their plain level, while you remain unscathed and un-attacked :-) > > I want to know your secret recipe! What are you putting in the FEED that you offer to the MONKEYS before they go back in their cages to sleep? > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Shri Rohini Ji,Vinay Ji and Others, > > There should be willingness to understand them first and then to address their wounded.I feel these people get opportunity have a scope to let out their hearts and wish some body to take up their cause than the academic pointers.This spirit/willingness need sincere reciprocation and service:// the wounded do not stop arriving at alarming rates and must be taken care of and patched up//. > > I am sure that sub conscious mind too,is willing to extend the time available time to take care and to dress them so that to some extent they can be healed if not in their entiriety. > > 2,The term Guru jee has become coloquial,as the present society neither permits the traditional " Guru Dev " to have their say nor they get the same kind of respect informally existing in the Gurukul mode. > > 3.It is also factual that inhibitions do exist and they perspire .For that the blame should be on the media that allows for many things to scribble without real awreness of many thing let alone vedic jyotish.Some those who can express through " SHREIKING VIOLENTS! " too find place but not the real audition.Humans are always supreem and they have the spirit of detachment and sacrifice and I do not think they really get humbled.This apprehension is not find any accommodation. The knowledge factor always saves and safeguards who stand by this source. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: Perpetuum Mobilé > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:54 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > My apologies to all and sundry if you or anyone else has felt " inhibited " by my including " Gurujees " in my question email (in the the radix of this thread)! From the recent attacks on me, generally baseless and sans provocation -- I had not presumed that this forum had " shrinking violets " ! More like, " SHREIKING VIOLENTS! " > > > > But be that as it may, you seem to have somehow taken it personally that by not accepting your claims about Surya-Siddhanta longitudes, I am somehow denouncing your observations. That is not the case at all, Vinay jee (see I am capable of learning! I am not using the hyphen or underscore anymore, though both the left and right pinkies (little fingers) are working well! -_) > > > > You see, I am essentially a very simple person and please do not go by your impression of what you read on the internet! I really am an ant, a naganya speck in this Creation...) . Perhaps the way I write creates some people to conjure up some Maya about me which is not my fault, is it? > > > > You are right, I with my limited capabilities and limited time cannot spend a lot of time or effort on getting everything perfect! My favourite TV show (Sorry to bore you) is M.A.S.H. a military hospital where the bodies must be patched together and sent back to the front-line or home, depending on the condition! > > > > While I admire the perfectionists who do their research and academic discussions and so on, the wounded do not stop arriving at alarming rates and must be taken care of and patched up. So some of us do not have the luxury of time to wait for the best sliced bread to arrive from the Factories of Intellect but to make do with what we have! > > > > Until someone can demonstrate time and again (and not just claim) using the same subject material that we use and work with! You are not hearing this for the first time from me, I am sure! We are not into academic discussions and we do not predict for the Weather bureau or for the Stock market! At least I do not! > > > > Please take this in the spirit of awakening because unless I am frightfully mistaken, you are an awakened spirit or almost there! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > You have raised very good points (<<<It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' .......Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not!>>>), but you have asked only the " Gurujees " to answer, hence lesser mortals like me must keep away. > > > > > > Should I point out that you believe no one can answer this question ( " What makes a yoga fructify or not! " ), that is why you have prevented anyone to enter into this discussion by using a term " Gurujees " ?? > > > > > > Why you think if you cannot answer this question, no one can ?? > > > > > > This is the most essential point which makes a person real astrologer. But such a question cannot be answered on internet. If you ever come to India and meet me, I will certainly remove some of your doubts regarding this question, although I am not a teacher and do not know much. > > > > > > You know the human imitations prevent us to be foolproof and we err even if charts are correct. > > > > > > But charts are not always correct and it is wrong to assume that all charts can be proven to be correct through post the event analyses. I differ from you on this point : a large number of charts made on the basis of modern astronomy cannot be properly explained even after the event along predefined set of rules, unless the rules are modified each time to suit each chart.. For instance, in one case you will use D9 to explain an event, in another you will neglect D9 because it fails and will use some other chart such as varsha-phala or may invent Narayan-dasha or Vishnu-dasha or Shiva-dasha or Durga-dasha. It is no methodology. It is insincerity, and I am not for such persons. They can only abuse Jyotisha. If D9 is useful, it must be explained why it does not work in a given situation. And such explanations must be there in all cases. Otherwise, your ganita is faulty and you must test some alternative ganita. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= ======= ===== > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > The music that never ends...! > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Perpetuum_ mobile > > > > > > > > Best exemplified by Jyotish discussions! The strain just keeps going on and on with newer variations thrown in into the mix ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > As one must have noticed, one ends up with endless yogas and combinations, in articles and books that try to explain how astrology works. > > > > > > > > It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' what some uncharitably call, " Post-Mortem Astrology " , while the more genteel address the phenomenon as a posteriori astrology. > > > > > > > > Software makers have tried to plug into their pattern-identificat ion algorithm these yogas and so on but all that comes out is a jumbled confusing mess, that still requires a jyotishi to figure out things and to make the reading more personal for the nativity! > > > > > > > > Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not! > > > > > > > > If a Queen and the wife of her servant give birth to children more or less at the same time, surely their fate may be connected but not the same, despite similar charts! <<Let us leave out the twins just to keep the angry ones focused!>> > > > > > > > > I would humbly request the " Gurujees " to throw some light on that. > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Krishnan Dada, I found divination way before I found Astrology or Jyotish for that matter! Way before I found my EPOCH! Barely a nine-year old walking with his mother who was a psychic but only demonstrated so in her tiny domain that impelled her rather TYPE-A+ scientist husband to accept often enough that MA had something special within her! Her one demonstration I still remember and she never shared -- nor did I ever ask further: It was an interesting prashna ritual utilizing gauze bandages and a cotton-swab or Q-TIP as it is proprietarily called these days! She demonstrated how it can be used for identifying thieves or those who are lying! She is no moe in the 'flesh' so I can only thank her for allowing me to be such a royal pain back then to MAKE her repeat that simple procedure again and again and again! BAAL HATH? Maybe MA was the ONLY Guru that I was supposed to have? Little wonder that I ever felt it necessary to look elsewhere...! Her name was USHA. RR_. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheiro , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Rohini Dada > " 'while you remain unscathed and un-attacked :-) > Dada !, You know by westren terms Iam a Leo and in Indian a cancer with Sun and the moon that hesitstes to laugh is in capricorn.And disputable sagittarian by lagna. > For me Astrology is always religious orientation and Iam frieghtened by the concept of Nine Planets. > I always hold a flag as If I patronise Red Cross.I often pray for The spirit of Nightingale in me,.makes only control my nerves(hyper tension and the modulation) > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Perpetuum Mobilé > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 10:12 PM > > >  > > > > Hmm... Krishnan dada! > > And yet, I get attacked by the low, moderate, high who live here or visit from time to time when they are chased away from other ZOOs -- for writing complex text and with pleas to bring it down to their plain level, while you remain unscathed and un-attacked :-) > > I want to know your secret recipe! What are you putting in the FEED that you offer to the MONKEYS before they go back in their cages to sleep? > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Shri Rohini Ji,Vinay Ji and Others, > > There should be willingness to understand them first and then to address their wounded.I feel these people get opportunity have a scope to let out their hearts and wish some body to take up their cause than the academic pointers.This spirit/willingness need sincere reciprocation and service:// the wounded do not stop arriving at alarming rates and must be taken care of and patched up//. > > I am sure that sub conscious mind too,is willing to extend the time available time to take care and to dress them so that to some extent they can be healed if not in their entiriety. > > 2,The term Guru jee has become coloquial,as the present society neither permits the traditional " Guru Dev " to have their say nor they get the same kind of respect informally existing in the Gurukul mode. > > 3.It is also factual that inhibitions do exist and they perspire .For that the blame should be on the media that allows for many things to scribble without real awreness of many thing let alone vedic jyotish.Some those who can express through " SHREIKING VIOLENTS! " too find place but not the real audition.Humans are always supreem and they have the spirit of detachment and sacrifice and I do not think they really get humbled.This apprehension is not find any accommodation. The knowledge factor always saves and safeguards who stand by this source. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: Perpetuum Mobilé > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:54 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay jee, > > > > My apologies to all and sundry if you or anyone else has felt " inhibited " by my including " Gurujees " in my question email (in the the radix of this thread)! From the recent attacks on me, generally baseless and sans provocation -- I had not presumed that this forum had " shrinking violets " ! More like, " SHREIKING VIOLENTS! " > > > > But be that as it may, you seem to have somehow taken it personally that by not accepting your claims about Surya-Siddhanta longitudes, I am somehow denouncing your observations. That is not the case at all, Vinay jee (see I am capable of learning! I am not using the hyphen or underscore anymore, though both the left and right pinkies (little fingers) are working well! -_) > > > > You see, I am essentially a very simple person and please do not go by your impression of what you read on the internet! I really am an ant, a naganya speck in this Creation...) . Perhaps the way I write creates some people to conjure up some Maya about me which is not my fault, is it? > > > > You are right, I with my limited capabilities and limited time cannot spend a lot of time or effort on getting everything perfect! My favourite TV show (Sorry to bore you) is M.A.S.H. a military hospital where the bodies must be patched together and sent back to the front-line or home, depending on the condition! > > > > While I admire the perfectionists who do their research and academic discussions and so on, the wounded do not stop arriving at alarming rates and must be taken care of and patched up. So some of us do not have the luxury of time to wait for the best sliced bread to arrive from the Factories of Intellect but to make do with what we have! > > > > Until someone can demonstrate time and again (and not just claim) using the same subject material that we use and work with! You are not hearing this for the first time from me, I am sure! We are not into academic discussions and we do not predict for the Weather bureau or for the Stock market! At least I do not! > > > > Please take this in the spirit of awakening because unless I am frightfully mistaken, you are an awakened spirit or almost there! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > You have raised very good points (<<<It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' .......Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not!>>>), but you have asked only the " Gurujees " to answer, hence lesser mortals like me must keep away. > > > > > > Should I point out that you believe no one can answer this question ( " What makes a yoga fructify or not! " ), that is why you have prevented anyone to enter into this discussion by using a term " Gurujees " ?? > > > > > > Why you think if you cannot answer this question, no one can ?? > > > > > > This is the most essential point which makes a person real astrologer. But such a question cannot be answered on internet. If you ever come to India and meet me, I will certainly remove some of your doubts regarding this question, although I am not a teacher and do not know much. > > > > > > You know the human imitations prevent us to be foolproof and we err even if charts are correct. > > > > > > But charts are not always correct and it is wrong to assume that all charts can be proven to be correct through post the event analyses. I differ from you on this point : a large number of charts made on the basis of modern astronomy cannot be properly explained even after the event along predefined set of rules, unless the rules are modified each time to suit each chart.. For instance, in one case you will use D9 to explain an event, in another you will neglect D9 because it fails and will use some other chart such as varsha-phala or may invent Narayan-dasha or Vishnu-dasha or Shiva-dasha or Durga-dasha. It is no methodology. It is insincerity, and I am not for such persons. They can only abuse Jyotisha. If D9 is useful, it must be explained why it does not work in a given situation. And such explanations must be there in all cases. Otherwise, your ganita is faulty and you must test some alternative ganita. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= ======= ===== > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > The music that never ends...! > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Perpetuum_ mobile > > > > > > > > Best exemplified by Jyotish discussions! The strain just keeps going on and on with newer variations thrown in into the mix ad infinitum. > > > > > > > > As one must have noticed, one ends up with endless yogas and combinations, in articles and books that try to explain how astrology works. > > > > > > > > It is humanly impossible for even most intelligent individuals to master and remember all of those combinations for this or that effect or fate and to bring it out intelligently during a reading! Generally speaking, such combinations get noted and highlighted 'after the fact' what some uncharitably call, " Post-Mortem Astrology " , while the more genteel address the phenomenon as a posteriori astrology. > > > > > > > > Software makers have tried to plug into their pattern-identificat ion algorithm these yogas and so on but all that comes out is a jumbled confusing mess, that still requires a jyotishi to figure out things and to make the reading more personal for the nativity! > > > > > > > > Most Jyotishis mention the yogas or arishtas but what is missing is the additional piece: What makes a yoga fructify or not! > > > > > > > > If a Queen and the wife of her servant give birth to children more or less at the same time, surely their fate may be connected but not the same, despite similar charts! <<Let us leave out the twins just to keep the angry ones focused!>> > > > > > > > > I would humbly request the " Gurujees " to throw some light on that. > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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