Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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Sir,

kindly add exploring with imploring.

" khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring.

 Regards

Kulbir Bains

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Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

 

Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

Wadhe PrRRajee,

The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only.

 

Sir, may i ask for a favour.

 

Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines-

" HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE

   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " .

 

this word KHUB  is misinterpreted as KHOOB.

 KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring..

 

I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style

torrential hurricane english.

 

 Lots of Respect.Regards

Kulbir Bains

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rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could

....!

 

Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon)

and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record?

 

Akashic record? Perhaps??

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

>

> Gurudev,

> Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that

> Sun and Moon are two luminaries.

> Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas.

> Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions.

>  Regards

> Kulbir Bains

> ------------ -.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

>

> I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

>

> LIGHT: Sun which is a star

> light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

> Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

> Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

>

> There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Santhosh,

> >

> > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

> >

> > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

> >

> > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

> >

> > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

> >

> > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

> >

> > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

> > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

> > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if

we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

> > > Regards

> > > Santhosh

> > >

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > >

> > >

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

> > > <>

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya

of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopic al :-)

> > >

> > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear rohini ji,

> > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

> > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Santhosh

> > > >

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

> > > > <>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

> > > >

> > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

> > > >

> > > > You will have to take it from there....

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a

grand discovery but nevertheless  interesting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

> > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and

is directly proportional to time.

> > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

> > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately  adjusted .

> > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would

have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years

for a 24 hour day.

> > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could

it be somehow related to this?

> > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Santosh Ji

> > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where

as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga

Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

> > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

> > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

> > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

> > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the

'shristi " is a Very positive frame work.

> > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

> > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to

be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

> > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

> > > > > cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

> > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new

> > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > >

> > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

> > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

> > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

> > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

> > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

> > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

> > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

> > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

> > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

> > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. .

> > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

> > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

> > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

> > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

> > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

> > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

> > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With

> > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

> > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

> > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

> > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

> > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

> > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

> > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

> > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

> > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

> > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

> > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that

if

> > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

> > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Unwritten "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

> > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

> > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

how khubi?comes?from Khoob? or Khubi?

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

 

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sir,

 

kindly add exploring  with imploring.

 

" khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring.

 

 Regards

 

Kulbir Bains

 

------------ -.

 

 

 

----- Forwarded Message ----

 

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >

 

 

 

Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

 

Wadhe PrRRajee,

 

The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only..

 

 

 

Sir, may i ask for a favour.

 

 

 

Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines-

 

" HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE

 

   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " .

 

 

 

this word KHUB  is misinterpreted as KHOOB.

 

 KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring..

 

 

 

I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style

torrential hurricane english.

 

 

 

 Lots of Respect.Regards

 

Kulbir Bains

 

------------ -.

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

 

 

Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could

....!

 

 

 

Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon)

and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record?

 

 

 

Akashic record? Perhaps??

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Gurudev,

 

> Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that

 

> Sun and Moon are two luminaries.

 

> Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas.

 

> Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions.

 

>  Regards

 

> Kulbir Bains

 

> ------------ -.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

>

 

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM

 

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

>

 

>  

 

> Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

 

>

 

> I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

 

>

 

> LIGHT: Sun which is a star

 

> light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

 

> Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

 

> Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

 

>

 

> There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Santhosh,

 

> >

 

> > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

 

> >

 

> > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

 

> >

 

> > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

 

> >

 

> > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

 

> >

 

> > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

 

> >

 

> > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

 

> >

 

> > RR_,

 

> >

 

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

 

> > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

 

> > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if

we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

 

> > > Regards

 

> > > Santhosh

 

> > >

 

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

 

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

 

> > > <>

 

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > >

 

> > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya

of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopic al :-)

 

> > >

 

> > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

 

> > >

 

> > > RR

 

> > >

 

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear rohini ji,

 

> > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

 

> > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

 

> > > > Thanks

 

> > > > Santhosh

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

 

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

 

> > > > <>

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > You will have to take it from there....

 

> > > >

 

> > > > RR_,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ >

wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a

grand discovery but nevertheless  interesting.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

 

> > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and

is directly proportional to time.

 

> > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

 

> > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately  adjusted .

 

> > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would

have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years

for a 24 hour day.

 

> > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could

it be somehow related to this?

 

> > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

 

> > > > > regards

 

> > > > > santhosh

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > > Santosh Ji

 

> > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where

as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga

Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

 

> > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

 

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

 

> > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

 

> > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > regards

 

> > > > > santhosh

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > > Sir,

 

> > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

 

> > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the

'shristi " is a Very positive frame work.

 

> > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

 

> > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to

be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

 

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

 

> > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

 

> > > > > cases.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

 

> > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new

 

> > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Best wishes,

 

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

 

> > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

 

> > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

 

> > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

 

> > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

 

> > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

 

> > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

 

> > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

 

> > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

 

> > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. .

 

> > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

 

> > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

 

> > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk

 

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

 

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

 

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

 

> > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

 

> > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

 

> > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

 

> > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With

 

> > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

 

> > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Best wishes,

 

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

 

> > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

 

> > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

 

> > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

 

> > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

 

> > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

 

> > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

 

> > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

 

> > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

 

> > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that

if

 

> > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

 

> > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > " Unwritten "

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

 

> > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

 

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

 

> > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

 

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb.

khubbna means getting stuck.

 Regards

Kulbir Bains

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM

Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi?

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote:

 

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >

Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM

 

 

 

Sir,

 

kindly add exploring  with imploring.

 

" khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring.

 

 Regards

 

Kulbir Bains

 

------------ -.

 

----- Forwarded Message ----

 

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb>

 

 

 

Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

Wadhe PrRRajee,

 

The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only..

 

Sir, may i ask for a favour.

 

Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines-

 

" HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE

 

   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " .

 

this word KHUB  is misinterpreted as KHOOB.

 

 KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring..

 

I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style

torrential hurricane english.

 

 Lots of Respect.Regards

 

Kulbir Bains

 

------------ -.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

 

 

Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM

 

Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

 

 

Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could

....!

 

Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon)

and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record?

 

Akashic record? Perhaps??

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Gurudev,

 

> Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that

 

> Sun and Moon are two luminaries.

 

> Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas.

 

> Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions.

 

>  Regards

 

> Kulbir Bains

 

> ------------ -.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

>

 

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM

 

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

>

 

>  

 

> Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

 

>

 

> I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

 

>

 

> LIGHT: Sun which is a star

 

> light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

 

> Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

 

> Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

 

>

 

> There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore

only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the

same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct!

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Santhosh,

 

> >

 

> > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not

take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of

differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

 

> >

 

> > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

 

> >

 

> > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

 

> >

 

> > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

 

> >

 

> > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

 

> >

 

> > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

 

> >

 

> > RR_,

 

> >

 

> > , santhosh10@ wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

 

> > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

 

> > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if

we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

 

> > > Regards

 

> > > Santhosh

 

> > >

 

> > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

 

> > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

 

> > > <>

 

> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > >

 

> > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya

of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence

Geocentric/geotopic al :-)

 

> > >

 

> > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

 

> > >

 

> > > RR

 

> > >

 

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear rohini ji,

 

> > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is

linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

 

> > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

 

> > > > Thanks

 

> > > > Santhosh

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

 

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

 

> > > > <>

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > You will have to take it from there....

 

> > > >

 

> > > > RR_,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ >

wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a

grand discovery but nevertheless  interesting.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing

the earth's rate of rotation?

 

> > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and

is directly proportional to time.

 

> > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day

by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

 

> > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of

earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead

of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately  adjusted .

 

> > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical

science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life

and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would

have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years

for a 24 hour day.

 

> > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could

it be somehow related to this?

 

> > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

 

> > > > > regards

 

> > > > > santhosh

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > > Santosh Ji

 

> > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where

as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga

Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

 

> > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may

be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has

something else to unfold. 

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

 

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

 

> > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

 

> > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > regards

 

> > > > > santhosh

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > > Sir,

 

> > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every

person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels

humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on

Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that

total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

 

> > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the

'shristi " is a Very positive frame work.

 

> > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not

be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas

have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

 

> > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to

be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

 

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

 

> > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

 

> > > > > cases.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny

 

> > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new

 

> > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Best wishes,

 

> > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

 

> > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

 

> > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look.

 

> > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

 

> > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level

 

> > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

 

> > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

 

> > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is

 

> > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

 

> > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. .

 

> > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

 

> > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

 

> > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk

 

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

 

> > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

 

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

 

> > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

 

> > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

 

> > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

 

> > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With

 

> > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

 

> > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Best wishes,

 

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

 

> > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of

 

> > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

 

> > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

 

> > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

 

> > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they

are

 

> > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be

son

 

> > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

 

> > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with

 

> > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that

if

 

> > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

 

> > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > " Unwritten "

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

 

> > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

 

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

 

> > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that

way

 

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes Kulbir meray Praa!

 

Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to

experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most

beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture

that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited

and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I

digress!) has TWO associations:

 

Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise!

 

Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/repentance/guilt/black-hole

within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also

known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!'

 

Does that help, dear brother?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb.

> khubbna means getting stuck.

>  Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM

> Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

> how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi?

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote:

>

> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb >

> Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM

>

>  

>

> Sir,

>

> kindly add exploring  with imploring.

>

> " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring.

>

>  Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

> ------------ -.

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

>

> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb>

>

>

>

> Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> Wadhe PrRRajee,

>

> The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only..

>

> Sir, may i ask for a favour.

>

> Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines-

>

> " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE

>

>    JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " .

>

> this word KHUB  is misinterpreted as KHOOB.

>

>  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring..

>

> I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style

torrential hurricane english.

>

>  Lots of Respect.Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

> ------------ -.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

>

>

>

> Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM

>

> Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

>  

>

> Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could

....!

>

> Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon)

and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record?

>

> Akashic record? Perhaps??

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Gurudev,

>

> > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that

>

> > Sun and Moon are two luminaries.

>

> > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas.

>

> > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions.

>

> >  Regards

>

> > Kulbir Bains

>

> > ------------ -.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> >

>

> > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM

>

> > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> >

>

> >  

>

> > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may...

>

> >

>

> > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have

always visualized them as four classes:

>

> >

>

> > LIGHT: Sun which is a star

>

> > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important

astrologically in a 'personal' sense

>

> > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun.

>

> > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use

quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other

factors which we do not need to go into.

>

> >

>

> > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and

therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is

not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived

byproduct!

>

> >

>

> > Rohiniranjan

>

> >

>

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Santhosh,

>

> > >

>

> > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to

not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck

of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-)

>

> > >

>

> > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use

rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it

is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand

on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen

from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed

the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be

Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes!

>

> > >

>

> > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of

intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun.

>

> > >

>

> > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason:

>

> > >

>

> > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal

and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon

orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system,

namely, the sun.

>

> > >

>

> > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other

planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-)

>

> > >

>

> > > RR_,

>

> > >

>

> > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our

perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way

around.

>

> > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane

and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i

meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this

eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely

within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned.

>

> > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing

venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if

we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart.

>

> > > > Regards

>

> > > > Santhosh

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

>

> > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27

>

> > > > <>

>

> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the

maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth,

hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-)

>

> > > >

>

> > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets

retrograde, etc ;-)

>

> > > >

>

> > > > RR

>

> > > >

>

> > > > , santhosh10@ wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear rohini ji,

>

> > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it

is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical

only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could

have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a

second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per

century, i guess.

>

> > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you.

When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore

rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu

and even mercury...

>

> > > > > Thanks

>

> > > > > Santhosh

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

>

> > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21

>

> > > > > <>

>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic)

change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal

point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?)

indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives

the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > You will have to take it from there....

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > RR_,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ >

wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not

a grand discovery but nevertheless  interesting.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly

reducing the earth's rate of rotation?

>

> > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing

and is directly proportional to time.

>

> > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of

day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

>

> > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history

of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day

instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also

commensurately  adjusted .

>

> > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and

theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there

was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of

man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of

120 years for a 24 hour day.

>

> > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years..

could it be somehow related to this?

>

> > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few

years countable on our fingers....

>

> > > > > > regards

>

> > > > > > santhosh

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

>

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > > Santosh Ji

>

> > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since

Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through

Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where

as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as  Kali Yuga

Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

>

> > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering

precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was

sharp and has something else to unfold. 

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

>

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

>

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

>

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

>

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

year?

>

> > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i

know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

>

> > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > regards

>

> > > > > > santhosh

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

>

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > > Sir,

>

> > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and

compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their

hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so

that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted.

>

> > > > > > A meaningful approach that  " Aham " promotes " brih " In the

'shristi " is a Very positive frame work.

>

> > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need

not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through

Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is

maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower

and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas....

>

> > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only

to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

>

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

>

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

>

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them "

>

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >  

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a

>

> > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

both

>

> > > > > > cases.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

destiny

>

> > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates

new

>

> > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Best wishes,

>

> > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

>

> > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

issue

>

> > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out

look.

>

> > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

>

> > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

level

>

> > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is

>

> > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

>

> > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp

is

>

> > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise

>

> > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. .

>

> > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp

and

>

> > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to

>

> > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

>

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

>

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

>

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

>

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co.

uk

>

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

>

> > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

>

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

>

> > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

>

> > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration,

>

> > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted

deeply

>

> > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level..

With

>

> > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

>

> > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Best wishes,

>

> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe

with

>

> > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process

of

>

> > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the

>

> > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

Saptarishi(7

>

> > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since

all

>

> > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body,

they are

>

> > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to

be son

>

> > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

Prakrti

>

> > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well

with

>

> > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

that if

>

> > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we

also

>

> > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

>

> > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

>

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

>

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

>

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

>

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

>

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

>

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

>

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

>

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

>

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

>

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

>

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

>

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

>

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

>

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

>

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

>

> > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

>

> > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live

that way

>

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

>

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

>

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

>

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

>

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

>

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

>

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

>

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

>

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

>

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

>

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

>

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

>

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

>

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

>

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

>

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

>

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

>

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

>

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

>

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

>

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

>

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

>

> > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

>

> > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

>

> > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

>

> > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

>

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

>

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

>

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

>

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

>

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

>

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

>

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

>

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

>

> > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

>

> > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

>

> > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

>

> > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

>

> > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

>

> > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

>

> > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

>

> > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Lilly

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >