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Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will certainly

have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by performance of

shanti yajna etc.

with thanks & regards, 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected dhirendra ji

SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered

good simlarly shani in 8th .

plz reply.

archita

 

 

 

 

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Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

 

Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

 

Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will certainly

have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by performance of

shanti yajna etc.

with thanks & regards, 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

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Venus in 12th house

Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers

auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa

ratisaukhyavittadyutim.

                                 But I have

myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus

happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti and

antardasa.

                                But as per

classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be

enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not

spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will

spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good

cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in

games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a

satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married

people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep

all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined

towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

 Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and

quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh,

lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in

childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry,

unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed.

One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may

quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose

friends. One's talents and fame may be lost. One may sacrifice the path of pious

deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed

and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be involved in

sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite sex and may

try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even suffer from

sexual ailments. One

may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person. There

is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's spouse. The

native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails right up to

death.      The person is passionate and has bad character.     

Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

 

Saturn in 8th House

 

  Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in 8th

house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has a

heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal and

very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may die due

to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living through

independent business.

 

Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is wicked

and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous, miserly,

dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech, lowly in

temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter. One may

be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow minded and

always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native. One may

follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins. One may

be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer from

leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin ailments. One

may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one may suffer from

septic infection and other ailments. One may die due to heart problems, cough,

cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may not get

pre-accumulated wealth. One

may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and is

poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some lowly

place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex. The

native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft and

may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may suffer

from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh,Mansagari,Jyotish shyam Sangrah,View of

Vashishtha,Varahmihir,Kalyan

verma,Mantreswar,Kashyap,Garga,Vaidyanath,Kashinath,Harivansha,Bhrigusutrakar,Kh\

ankhana ,and also view of western astrologers. 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Karan Kumari <architakhera

 

Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

 

Respected dhirendra ji

SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered

good simlarly shani in 8th .

plz reply.

archita

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>

 

Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

 

Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will certainly

have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by performance of

shanti yajna etc.

with thanks & regards, 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

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Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of signs,houses and

bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r appendices for

Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to signs.Basic tenets

of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and provide opportunity

for improving the quality of life one is likely to experience..These  areas are

basically meant for " to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to think

and explore for good and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical background

given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to know more

about these planets capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues fall in the

jurisdiction of these planets in these house.Finally we need to connect with

signs to know more how to improve and work on them.Classical as written by the

Seers and the lateral authentication,enlightenments from prolific writer like

Smt Mridula Trivedi  impart right

guidnace.   

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Venus in 12th house

 

Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers

auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa

ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

                                 But I have

myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus

happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

 

Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti and

antardasa.

 

                                But as per

classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be

enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not

spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will

spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good

cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in

games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a

satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married

people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep

all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined

towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

 

 Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and

quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh,

lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in

childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry,

unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed.

One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may

quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose

friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of

pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual ailments. One

 

may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person. There

is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's spouse. The

native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails right up to

death.      The person is passionate and has bad character.     

Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

 

 

 

Saturn in 8th House

 

 

 

  Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in 8th

house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has a

heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal and

very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may die due

 

to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living through

independent business.

 

 

 

Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is wicked

and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous, miserly,

dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech, lowly in

temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter. One may

be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow minded and

always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native. One may

follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins. One may

be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer from

leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin ailments. One

may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one may suffer from

septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart problems, cough,

cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may not get

pre-accumulated wealth. One

 

may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and is

poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some lowly

place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex. The

native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft and

may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

 

donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may suffer

from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

 

BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam Sangrah,View

of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath,

Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of western

astrologers. 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

 

 

 

Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

 

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

 

 

 

 

Respected dhirendra ji

 

SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered

good simlarly shani in 8th .

 

plz reply.

 

archita

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

 

 

Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

 

Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

 

 

 

 

Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

 

suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will certainly

have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by performance of

shanti yajna etc.

 

with thanks & regards, 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

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While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually improve with

time..

 

Lilly

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of signs,houses

and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r appendices for

Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to signs.Basic tenets

of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and provide opportunity

for improving the quality of life one is likely to experience..These  areas are

basically meant for " to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to think

and explore for good and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical background

given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to know more

about these planets capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues fall in the

jurisdiction of these planets in these house.Finally we need to connect with

signs to know more how to improve and work on them.Classical as written by the

Seers and the lateral authentication,enlightenments from prolific writer like

Smt Mridula Trivedi  impart right

> guidnace.   

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

>

> Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

>

Venus in 12th house

>

> Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers

auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa

ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

>

>                                  But I have

myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus

happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

>

> Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti and

antardasa.

>

>                                 But as per

classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be

enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not

spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will

spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good

cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in

games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a

satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married

people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep

all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined

towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

>

>  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and

quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh,

lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in

childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry,

unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed.

One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may

quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose

friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of

pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual ailments. One

>

> may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person. There

is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's spouse. The

native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails right up to

death.      The person is passionate and has bad character.     

Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

>

>  

>

> Saturn in 8th House

>

>  

>

>   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in 8th

house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has a

heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal and

very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may die due

>

> to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living through

independent business.

>

>  

>

> Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer

from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

>

> may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and is

poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some lowly

place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex. The

native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft and

may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

>

> donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may suffer

from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

>

> BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam Sangrah,View

of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath,

Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of western

astrologers. 

>

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>

>  

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

>

>

>

> Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

>

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

>

>

>

>  

>

> Respected dhirendra ji

>

> SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered

good simlarly shani in 8th .

>

> plz reply.

>

> archita

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

>

>

>

> Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

>

> Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

>

>

>

>  

>

> Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

>

> suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will certainly

have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by performance of

shanti yajna etc.

>

> with thanks & regards, 

>

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>

>

>

>

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 it is the trial that matters and the preparedness ,that matters //don't

usually improve//Nothing that can not be achieved by the Human Effort.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:00 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually

improve with time..

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of signs,houses

and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r appendices for

Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to signs.Basic tenets

of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and provide opportunity

for improving the quality of life one is likely to experience.. These  areas

are basically meant for " to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to

think and explore for good and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical

background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to

know more about these planets capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues

fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these house.Finally we need to

connect with signs to know more how to improve and work on them.Classical as

written by the Seers and the lateral authentication, enlightenments from

prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

 

> guidnace.   

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

 

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

>

 

> Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Venus in 12th house

 

>

 

> Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers

auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa

ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

>

 

>

                    \

             But I have myself studied that

Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

 

>

 

> Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti and

antardasa.

 

>

 

>

                    \

            But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards

rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

 

>

 

>  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and

quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh,

lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in

childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry,

unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed.

One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may

quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose

friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of

pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual

ailments. One

 

>

 

> may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person. There

is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's spouse. The

native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails right up to

death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Saturn in 8th House

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in

8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life..The native is bold and has

a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal

and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may

die due

 

>

 

> to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living

through independent business.

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer

from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

 

>

 

> may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and is

poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some lowly

place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex. The

native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft and

may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

 

>

 

> donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may suffer

from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

 

>

 

> BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam Sangrah,View

of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath,

Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of western

astrologers. 

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

 

>

 

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Respected dhirendra ji

 

>

 

> SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered

good simlarly shani in 8th .

 

>

 

> plz reply.

 

>

 

> archita

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

 

>

 

> Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

 

>

 

> suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

 

>

 

> with thanks & regards, 

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Tue, January 26, 2010 9:56:38 AM

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

 

 it is the trial that matters and the preparedness ,that matters //don't

usually improve//Nothing that can not be achieved by the Human Effort.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:00 PM

 

 

 

While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually improve with

time..

 

Lilly

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of signs,houses

and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r appendices for

Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to signs.Basic tenets

of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and provide opportunity

for improving the quality of life one is likely to experience.. These  areas

are basically meant for " to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to

think and explore for good and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical

background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to

know more about these planets capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues

fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these house.Finally we need to

connect with signs to know more how to improve and work on them.Classical as

written by the Seers and the lateral authentication, enlightenments from

prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

 

> guidnace.   

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

 

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

>

 

> Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Venus in 12th house

 

>

 

> Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers

auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa

ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

>

 

>

                    \

             But I have myself studied that

Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

 

>

 

> Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti and

antardasa.

 

>

 

>

                    \

            But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy.. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards

rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

 

>

 

>  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and

quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh,

lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in

childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry,

unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed.

One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may

quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose

friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of

pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex.. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual

ailments. One

 

>

 

> may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person. There

is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's spouse. The

native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails right up to

death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Saturn in 8th House

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in

8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life..The native is bold and has

a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal

and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons.. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may

die due

 

>

 

> to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living

through independent business.

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed.. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

 

>

 

> may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and is

poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some lowly

place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex. The

native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft and

may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

 

>

 

> donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may suffer

from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

 

>

 

> BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam Sangrah,View

of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath,

Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of western

astrologers. 

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

 

>

 

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Respected dhirendra ji

 

>

 

> SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered

good simlarly shani in 8th .

 

>

 

> plz reply.

 

>

 

> archita

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

 

>

 

> Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

 

>

 

> suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

 

>

 

> with thanks & regards, 

 

>

 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

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Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve over time

in regards to the 8th and 12th?

 

What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

 

3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent growth,

but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer is a

disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

 

RR

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually improve

with time..

>

> Lilly

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of signs,houses

and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r appendices for

Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to signs.Basic tenets

of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and provide opportunity

for improving the quality of life one is likely to experience..These  areas are

basically meant for " to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to think

and explore for good and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical background

given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to know more

about these planets capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues fall in the

jurisdiction of these planets in these house.Finally we need to connect with

signs to know more how to improve and work on them.Classical as written by the

Seers and the lateral authentication,enlightenments from prolific writer like

Smt Mridula Trivedi  impart right

> > guidnace.   

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> >

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@>

> > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> >

> > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Venus in 12th house

> >

> > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers

auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa

ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

> >

> >                                  But I have

myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus

happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

> >

> > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti

and antardasa.

> >

> >                                 But as per

classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be

enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not

spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will

spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good

cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in

games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a

satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married

people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep

all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined

towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

> >

> >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and

quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh,

lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in

childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry,

unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed.

One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may

quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose

friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of

pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual ailments. One

> >

> > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person.

There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's

spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails

right up to death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

> >

> >  

> >

> > Saturn in 8th House

> >

> >  

> >

> >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in 8th

house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has a

heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal and

very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may die due

> >

> > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living through

independent business.

> >

> >  

> >

> > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer

from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

> >

> > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and

is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some

lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex.

The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft

and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

> >

> > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may

suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

> >

> > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

> >

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

> >

> > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> > Respected dhirendra ji

> >

> > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered

good simlarly shani in 8th .

> >

> > plz reply.

> >

> > archita

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

> >

> >

> >

> > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

> >

> > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give

inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will

give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by

benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

> >

> > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

> >

> > with thanks & regards, 

> >

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >

> >

> >

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With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road blocks &

obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for many..Everyday,

an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took birth from her

womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve over

time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

>

> What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

>

> 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent growth,

but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer is a

disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

>

> RR

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually improve

with time..

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience..These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral

authentication,enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

> > > guidnace.   

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > >

> > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Venus in 12th house

> > >

> > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers

auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa

ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

> > >

> > >                                  But I

have myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if

Venus happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

> > >

> > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti

and antardasa.

> > >

> > >                                 But as per

classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be

enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not

spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will

spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good

cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in

games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a

satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married

people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep

all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined

towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

> > >

> > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and

quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh,

lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in

childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry,

unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed.

One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may

quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose

friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of

pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual ailments. One

> > >

> > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person.

There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's

spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails

right up to death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Saturn in 8th House

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in

8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has

a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal

and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may die due

> > >

> > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living

through independent business.

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer

from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

> > >

> > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and

is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some

lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex.

The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft

and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

> > >

> > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may

suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

> > >

> > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Respected dhirendra ji

> > >

> > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

> > >

> > > plz reply.

> > >

> > > archita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

> > >

> > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will

give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated

will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected

by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

> > >

> > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

> > >

> > > with thanks & regards, 

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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hello Friend,the beats made by you r not really consistent.8H,12H are part of

chakra.Their strength weakness you need to relate with many things b4 you make

any thing as binding inevitable.karmas of past and present are these as our

shadows.So it is not we r enslaved.what about our free will or urge to be

better.who will prevent.KARMA OF PAST WILL NOT PULL YOU BACKSo think of the best

you can do and with belief,faith and more trust on yourself.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 12:35 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road

blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

 

We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve over

time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

 

>

 

> What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

 

>

 

> 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent growth,

but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer is a

disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

 

>

 

> RR

 

>

 

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually improve

with time..

 

> >

 

> > Lilly

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

 

> > > guidnace.   

 

> > >

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > >

 

> > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

 

> > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

> > >

 

> > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

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> > > Venus in 12th house

 

> > >

 

> > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati

byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

> > >

 

> > >

                    \

             But I have myself studied that

Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

 

> > >

 

> > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti

and antardasa.

 

> > >

 

> > >

                    \

            But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards

rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

 

> > >

 

> > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate

and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted

harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and

ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be

angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may

exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One

may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may

oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path

of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual

ailments. One

 

> > >

 

> > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person.

There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's

spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails

right up to death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > Saturn in 8th House

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited

in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and

has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless,

liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may

inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property

also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras,

which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons.

The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and

may die due

 

> > >

 

> > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's

living through independent business.

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer

from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth.

One

 

> > >

 

> > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and

is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some

lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex.

The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft

and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

 

> > >

 

> > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may

suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses

from

 

> > >

 

> > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

 

> > >

 

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > >

 

> > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > Respected dhirendra ji

 

> > >

 

> > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

 

> > >

 

> > > plz reply.

 

> > >

 

> > > archita

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > >

 

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

 

> > >

 

> > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will

give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated

will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected

by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

 

> > >

 

> > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

 

> > >

 

> > > with thanks & regards, 

 

> > >

 

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

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Dear Lilly,

if you look at each house more closely you will see that every house has good as

well as bad significations. for example 12th house signifies moksha and foreign

travel. people pay close attention to 12th house when questions of foreign

travel are asked. so you see it is not entirely evil as portrayed. similarly 8th

house signified lots of undisclosed wealth. isnt that good? same is the case

with all house, some which is considered good. they too signify something bad

too. yes there is an issue of how many bad and how many good. but then these are

also modified a lot by the significations of the planets placed in them

//Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..// why would you

call such a person elevated?

 

regards

santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

 

Wed, 27 January, 2010 11:05:27 AM

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

 

With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road blocks &

obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for many..Everyday,

an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took birth from her

womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve over

time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

>

> What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

>

> 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent growth,

but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer is a

disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

>

> RR

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually improve

with time..

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

> > > guidnace.   

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

> > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > >

> > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Venus in 12th house

> > >

> > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati

byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

> > >

> > >

                    \

             But I have myself studied that

Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

> > >

> > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti

and antardasa.

> > >

> > >

                    \

            But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards

rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

> > >

> > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate

and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted

harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and

ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be

angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may

exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One

may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may

oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path

of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual

ailments. One

> > >

> > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person.

There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's

spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails

right up to death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Saturn in 8th House

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited

in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and

has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless,

liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may

inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property

also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras,

which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons.

The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and

may die due

> > >

> > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's

living through independent business.

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer

from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth.

One

> > >

> > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and

is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some

lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex.

The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft

and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

> > >

> > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may

suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

> > >

> > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Respected dhirendra ji

> > >

> > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

> > >

> > > plz reply.

> > >

> > > archita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

> > >

> > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will

give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated

will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected

by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

> > >

> > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

> > >

> > > with thanks & regards, 

> > >

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Lilly,

 

The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost mystical!

Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

 

I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen those movies?

 

8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of Jyotish and

intelligence to figure out the relationship!

 

8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the bounties to the

12th -- its son!

 

The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks and

Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health). A minor

loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated by the

12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent 'pleasures of

the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF or IN the bed!

SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the state of sleep and the types

of dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.

 

Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy sleeping

pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the 12th

also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the HOME

of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

 

What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away in the 5th

and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity dies

and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or Allah or

whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

 

I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you need at

this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

 

I am sincere and very SERIOUS!

 

Blessings

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road blocks &

obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for many..Everyday,

an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took birth from her

womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

> We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve over

time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

> >

> > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

> >

> > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent

growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer

is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually

improve with time..

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience..These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral

authentication,enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

> > > > guidnace.   

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > >

> > > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Venus in 12th house

> > > >

> > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati

byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

> > > >

> > > >                                  But I

have myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if

Venus happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

> > > >

> > > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its

bhukti and antardasa.

> > > >

> > > >                                 But as

per classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will

be enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will

not spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One

will spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a

good cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time

in games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a

satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married

people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep

all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined

towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

> > > >

> > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate

and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted

harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and

ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be

angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may

exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One

may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may

oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path

of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual ailments. One

> > > >

> > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person.

There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's

spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails

right up to death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Saturn in 8th House

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in

8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has

a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal

and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit

wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The

native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have

depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The

earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may die due

> > > >

> > > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living

through independent business.

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is

wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous,

miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech,

lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter.

One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow

minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native.

One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins.

One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer

from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

> > > >

> > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth

and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some

lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex.

The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft

and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

> > > >

> > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may

suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries

etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry.

Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering

from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

> > > >

> > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

> > > >

> > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Respected dhirendra ji

> > > >

> > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

> > > >

> > > > plz reply.

> > > >

> > > > archita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

> > > >

> > > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will

give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated

will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected

by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing

> > > >

> > > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

> > > >

> > > > with thanks & regards, 

> > > >

> > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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That was just beautiful..Just the right post for the moment..

Thanks RR JI!!

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Lilly,

>

> The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost mystical!

Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

>

> I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen those

movies?

>

> 8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of Jyotish and

intelligence to figure out the relationship!

>

> 8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the bounties to

the 12th -- its son!

>

> The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks and

Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health). A minor

loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated by the

12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent 'pleasures of

the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF or IN the bed!

SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the state of sleep and the types

of dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.

>

> Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy sleeping

pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the 12th

also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the HOME

of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

>

> What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away in the

5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

>

> I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you need

at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

>

> I am sincere and very SERIOUS!

>

> Blessings

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road blocks

& obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for many..Everyday,

an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took birth from her

womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

> > We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can

reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve

over time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

> > >

> > > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

> > >

> > > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent

growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer

is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually

improve with time..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience..These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral

authentication,enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

> > > > > guidnace.   

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > > >

> > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus in 12th house

> > > > >

> > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati

byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

> > > > >

> > > > >                                  But I

have myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if

Venus happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its

bhukti and antardasa.

> > > > >

> > > > >                                 But as

per classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One will

be enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will

not spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One

will spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a

good cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time

in games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a

satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married

people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep

all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined

towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

> > > > >

> > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate

and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted

harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and

ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be

angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may

exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One

may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may

oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path

of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely

engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be

involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite

sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even

suffer from sexual ailments. One

> > > > >

> > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other

person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn in 8th House

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if posited

in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and

has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless,

liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may

inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property

also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras,

which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons.

The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is

happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed

by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good

fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death.

The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The

native is long lived and may die due

> > > > >

> > > > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living

through independent business.

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One

is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

> > > > >

> > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth

and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some

lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex.

The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft

and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may

unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One

may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in

the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the

54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may

face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic.

According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating,

venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a

horse or a

> > > > >

> > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native

may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected dhirendra ji

> > > > >

> > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

> > > > >

> > > > > plz reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > archita

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house

will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

wearing

> > > > >

> > > > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > with thanks & regards, 

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Does that make me the pizza guy who delivered on time in 30 minutes?

 

 

 

I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me off but

while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the

scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'!

 

Chela approached BABA and he was allowed to experiment -- in keeping with what

Baba DID! (Although ... but I do not want to complicate this message...!).

 

Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here or

elsewhere!

 

RR

 

 

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> That was just beautiful..Just the right post for the moment..

> Thanks RR JI!!

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Lilly,

> >

> > The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost mystical!

Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

> >

> > I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen those

movies?

> >

> > 8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of Jyotish and

intelligence to figure out the relationship!

> >

> > 8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the bounties to

the 12th -- its son!

> >

> > The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks and

Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health). A minor

loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated by the

12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent 'pleasures of

the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF or IN the bed!

SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the state of sleep and the types

of dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.

> >

> > Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy sleeping

pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the 12th

also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the HOME

of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

> >

> > What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away in the

5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

> >

> > I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you

need at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

> >

> > I am sincere and very SERIOUS!

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road

blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

> > > We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can

reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve

over time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

> > > >

> > > > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

> > > >

> > > > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent

growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer

is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually

improve with time..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience..These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral

authentication,enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula Trivedi

 impart right

> > > > > > guidnace.   

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus in 12th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati

byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >                                  But

I have myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if

Venus happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its

bhukti and antardasa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >                                 But

as per classics the native performs pious deeds. One will respect elders. One

will be enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and

will not spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts.

One will spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money

for a good cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend

one's time in games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One

will have a satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and

comforts. Married people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the

native who will keep all of them happy. There is no shortage of friends.The

native may be inclined towards rearing animals and making gains from this

venture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved,

passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic,

tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be

weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The

native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and

expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to

one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few

talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may

sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One

may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One

may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with

the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person

may even suffer from sexual ailments. One

> > > > > >

> > > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other

person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to death.      The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn in 8th House

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if

posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is

bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic,

fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from the

marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

little white before death.The native is long lived and may die due

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn one's living

through independent business.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body.

One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated wealth. One

> > > > > >

> > > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's

wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or

at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the

opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

elephant's foot or due to a horse or a

> > > > > >

> > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native

may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted verses from

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected dhirendra ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > plz reply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > archita

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house

will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

wearing

> > > > > >

> > > > > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will

certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with thanks & regards, 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids  and

encourages for cut and paste technologies.Seldom it does inspire for people to

refer to some of the authenticated versions/write ups/texts/writings(not through

blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still toddles in play school level of

jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it ignores the initiatives to make

class room approach.this is where all of us are.It is still best to recollect

what class teacher wanted students to complete home work first.This also

(probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely good sleep.both feet very

important (to stand firm),discharge of debts,liberation from pain,12 H

signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into heavens.mental agiatation these need a

careful understanding(Uttara Kalamrita quoted)//reach our higher purpose & goals

(9th house)//very munte but important if understood.First formost hard work to

learn,circulaltion of

welath,CONDUCT,purity of mind,HAPPINESS,a Vedic scrifice(courtesy Uttara

Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types of

dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not flush

out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The struggle if

at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes

a " Trycycle " w/o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to

make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st

H/Ascdt/Lagna,5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then

9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:36 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that make me the pizza guy who delivered on time in 30 minutes?

 

 

 

I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me off but

while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the

scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'!

 

 

 

Chela approached BABA and he was allowed to experiment -- in keeping with what

Baba DID! (Although ... but I do not want to complicate this message....!) .

 

 

 

Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here or

elsewhere!

 

 

 

RR

 

 

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....>

wrote:

 

>

 

> That was just beautiful..Just the right post for the moment..

 

> Thanks RR JI!!

 

>

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Lilly,

 

> >

 

> > The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost mystical!

Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

 

> >

 

> > I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen those

movies?

 

> >

 

> > 8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of Jyotish and

intelligence to figure out the relationship!

 

> >

 

> > 8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the bounties to

the 12th -- its son!

 

> >

 

> > The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks and

Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

 

> >

 

> > Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy sleeping

pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the 12th

also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the HOME

of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

 

> >

 

> > What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away in the

5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

 

> >

 

> > I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you

need at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

 

> >

 

> > I am sincere and very SERIOUS!

 

> >

 

> > Blessings

 

> >

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road

blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

 

> > > We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can

reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

 

> > >

 

> > > Lilly

 

> > >

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve

over time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent

growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer

is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > RR

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually

improve with time..

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Lilly

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula

Trivedi  impart right

 

> > > > > > guidnace.   

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

 

> > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

 

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> > > > > > Venus in 12th house

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati

byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

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             But I have myself studied that

Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its

bhukti and antardasa.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

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            But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards

rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved,

passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic,

tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be

weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The

native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and

expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to

one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few

talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may

sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One

may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One

may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with

the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person

may even suffer from

sexual ailments. One

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other

person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to death.      The person is passionate and has

bad character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >  

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Saturn in 8th House

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >  

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if

posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is

bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic,

fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from the

marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

little white before death.The native is long lived

and may die due

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn

one's living through independent business.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >  

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body.

One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated

wealth. One

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's

wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or

at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the

opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

elephant's foot or due to a horse

or a

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native

may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted

verses from

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >  

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >  

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Respected dhirendra ji

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > plz reply.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > archita

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >  

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house

will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

wearing

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets

will certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > with thanks & regards, 

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

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Were you simply pasting or just cutting, Bhai Saheb?

 

Ulta Chor Kotwaal ko Daantay!

 

Ever heard of that North Indian Adage?

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids

 and encourages for cut and paste technologies.Seldom it does inspire for

people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write

ups/texts/writings(not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still

toddles in play school level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it

ignores the initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us

are.It is still best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete

home work first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely

good sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of

debts,liberation from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into

heavens.mental agiatation these need a careful understanding(Uttara Kalamrita

quoted)//reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important

if understood.First formost hard work to learn,circulaltion of

> welath,CONDUCT,purity of mind,HAPPINESS,a Vedic scrifice(courtesy Uttara

Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types of

dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not flush

out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The struggle if

at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes

a " Trycycle " w/o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to

make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st

H/Ascdt/Lagna,5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then

9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

>

> Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:36 PM

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Does that make me the pizza guy who delivered on time in 30 minutes?

>

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>

> I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me off

but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the

scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'!

>

>

>

> Chela approached BABA and he was allowed to experiment -- in keeping with what

Baba DID! (Although ... but I do not want to complicate this message....!) .

>

>

>

> Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here or

elsewhere!

>

>

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....>

wrote:

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> >

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> > That was just beautiful..Just the right post for the moment..

>

> > Thanks RR JI!!

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> >

>

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

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> > >

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> > > Lilly,

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> > >

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> > > The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost mystical!

Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

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> > > I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen those

movies?

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> > >

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> > > 8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of Jyotish

and intelligence to figure out the relationship!

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> > >

>

> > > 8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the bounties

to the 12th -- its son!

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> > >

>

> > > The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks and

Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

>

> > >

>

> > > Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy sleeping

pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the 12th

also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the HOME

of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

>

> > >

>

> > > What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away in

the 5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

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> > >

>

> > > I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you

need at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

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> > >

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> > > I am sincere and very SERIOUS!

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> > >

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> > > Blessings

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> > >

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> > > Rohiniranjan

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> > >

>

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

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> > > >

>

> > > > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road

blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

>

> > > > We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can

reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

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> > > >

>

> > > > Lilly

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> > > >

>

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve

over time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent

growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer

is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > RR

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually

improve with time..

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Lilly

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of

signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement

" whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad

houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji

helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their

karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt Mridula

> Trivedi  impart right

>

> > > > > > > guidnace.   

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

>

> > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

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> > > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

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> > > > > > > Venus in 12th house

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> > > > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati

byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

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             But I have myself studied that

Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

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> > > > > > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its

bhukti and antardasa.

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            But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy. There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards

rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved,

passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic,

tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be

weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The

native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and

expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to

one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few

talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may

sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One

may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One

may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with

the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person

may even suffer from

> sexual ailments. One

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other

person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to death.      The person is passionate and has

bad character.      Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

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> > > > > > > Saturn in 8th House

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>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that Saturn if

posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is

bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic,

fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from the

marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

little white before death.The native is long lived

> and may die due

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>

> > > > > > > to unavoidable old age.      The native will earn

one's living through independent business.

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> > > > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body.

One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated

> wealth. One

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's

wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or

at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the

opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

elephant's foot or due to a horse

> or a

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The

native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted

> verses from

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

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> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

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> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

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> > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

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> > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

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> > > > > > > Respected dhirendra ji

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> > > > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

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> > > > > > > plz reply.

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> > > > > > > archita

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> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

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> > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

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> > > > > > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

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> > > > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house

will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

wearing

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets

will certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by

performance of shanti yajna etc.

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > with thanks & regards, 

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

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Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some thing of

sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for marketability

but for not consumption.All planets benifit,only we want and work for

them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous to

feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities.Need to sharpen and so basics

out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes all of

us very comfortable to understand and play.So the cutting of course a very sharp

one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the job. Poora Jindagi

wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai badhiya hi hai.Katuti kar

kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne bahut kuch sikhaye.Now pay

back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the sake of kotwal to

fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. 

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Were you simply pasting or just cutting, Bhai Saheb?

 

 

 

Ulta Chor Kotwaal ko Daantay!

 

 

 

Ever heard of that North Indian Adage?

 

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids

 and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire for

people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write ups/texts/writings(

not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still toddles in play school

level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it ignores the

initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us are.It is still

best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete home work

first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely good

sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of debts,liberation

from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into heavens.mental

agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita quoted)//reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important if

understood.First formost hard work to learn,circulaltion

of

 

> welath,CONDUCT, purity of mind,HAPPINESS, a Vedic scrifice(courtesy Uttara

Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types of

dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not

flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The

struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes

a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to

make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st

H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then

9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

 

>

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

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> Does that make me the pizza guy who delivered on time in 30 minutes?

 

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>

 

> I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me off

but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the

scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'!

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Chela approached BABA and he was allowed to experiment -- in keeping with what

Baba DID! (Although ... but I do not want to complicate this message....! ) .

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here or

elsewhere!

 

>

 

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> RR

 

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> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ .....>

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> > That was just beautiful..Just the right post for the moment..

 

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> > Thanks RR JI!!

 

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> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

 

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> > > Lilly,

 

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> > > The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost mystical!

Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

 

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> > > I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen those

movies?

 

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> > > 8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of Jyotish

and intelligence to figure out the relationship!

 

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> > > 8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the bounties

to the 12th -- its son!

 

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> > > The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks and

Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

 

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> > > Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy sleeping

pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the 12th

also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the HOME

of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

 

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> > > What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away in

the 5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

 

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> > > I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you

need at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

 

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> > > I am sincere and very SERIOUS!

 

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> > > Blessings

 

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>

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

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> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

 

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> > > > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road

blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

 

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> > > > We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can

reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our

destination and complete the cycle.

 

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> > > > Lilly

 

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> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

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> > > > > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve

over time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

 

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> > > > > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th).

 

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> > > > > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent

growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer

is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

 

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> > > > > RR

 

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> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

 

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> > > > > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually

improve with time..

 

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> > > > > > Lilly

 

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> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study

of signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r

appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to

signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and

provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to

experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for

improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out

of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri

Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and

their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt

Mridula

 

> Trivedi  impart right

 

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> > > > > > > guidnace.   

 

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> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

>

 

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>

 

> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

 

>

 

> > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

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> > > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM

 

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> > > > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar

says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

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Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

 

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bhukti and antardasa.

 

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‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy.

There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards rearing

animals and making gains from this venture.

 

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> > > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved,

passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic,

tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be

weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The

native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and

expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to

one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few

talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may

sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One

may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One

may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with

the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person

may even suffer

from

 

> sexual ailments. One

 

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> > > > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other

person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to death.      The

person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a

lot of harm.

 

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> > > > > > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said that

Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The

native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous,

sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from

the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

little white before death.The native

is long lived

 

> and may die due

 

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age.      The native will earn one's

living through independent business.

 

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> > > > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body.

One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated

 

> wealth. One

 

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> > > > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's

wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or

at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the

opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

elephant's foot or due to a

horse

 

> or a

 

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> > > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The

native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted

 

> verses from

 

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> > > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam

Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga,

Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of

western astrologers. 

 

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> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

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> > > > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

 

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> > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

 

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> > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

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> > > > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is

considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

 

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> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

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> > > > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house

will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

wearing

 

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planets will certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally

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I once heard from a friend of mine who did not have any debilitated planet in

kshetra.

 

And yet he was once allowed to experience debility! He HAD to paint a fence! No

escape possible! That is what he told me! No further details provided!

 

So, he put on his most discardable clothes and a hat to keep away the sun and

resigned himself to the painful job! He could be writing a novel instead or

cracking the CODE of the UNIVERSE! Or -- creating the MUSIC that could have

unfurled the Karma of many!

 

At first painful, and SMELLY (UGHH! Those PAINTS!), soon the BRUSH took over the

reality -- the brush that was held by the hand, the uppoer limb ruled by the 3rd

house of (SAHAJ) and the chore became a rhythm and a habit almost! A hornet or

was it a honey bee that arrived but was not received by the PAINTER as a threat

or enemy but a companion who came by to say, " BRAVO -- BROTHER! You chose to

listen to MA and you are not a BOTHER any more! " ;-)

 

 

 

After my 'exalted' friend finished his tale, I asked him, " Why were you painting

a FENCE? "

 

He asked innocently, " What Fence? "

 

WORK indeed is WORSHIP -- and not what or how you do it? -- Or what comes out of

your efforts... "

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

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> Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some thing of

sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for marketability

but for not consumption.All planets benifit,only we want and work for

them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous to

feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities.Need to sharpen and so basics

out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes all of

us very comfortable to understand and play.So the cutting of course a very sharp

one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the job. Poora Jindagi

wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai badhiya hi hai.Katuti kar

kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne bahut kuch sikhaye.Now pay

back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the sake of kotwal to

fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. 

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> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

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> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

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> > Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids

 and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire for

people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write ups/texts/writings(

not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still toddles in play school

level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it ignores the

initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us are.It is still

best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete home work

first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely good

sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of debts,liberation

from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into heavens.mental

agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita quoted)//reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important if

understood.First formost hard work to learn,circulaltion

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Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types of

dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not

flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The

struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes

a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to

make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st

H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then

9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

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> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the

scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'!

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what Baba DID! (Although ... but I do not want to complicate this message....! )

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> > Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here or

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> > > > The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost

mystical! Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

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Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

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sleeping pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the

12th also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the

HOME of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

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the 5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

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> > > > I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you

need at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

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> > > > > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road

blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

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can reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach

our destination and complete the cycle.

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represent growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always

good. Cancer is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

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> > > > > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of

 study of signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical

texts.They r appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have

significance to signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always

indicate and provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely

to experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for

improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out

of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri

Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and

their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt

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> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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> > > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

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house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar

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performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy.

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behaved, passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden,

unsympathetic, tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful.

One may be weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy

bodied. The native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be

extravagant and expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives

and loving to one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person

may have few talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be

lost.. One may sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the

opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction,

all the time. One may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have

illicit relations with the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness

secretively. The person may even suffer

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person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to death.      The

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that Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long

life.The native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous,

sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from

the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

little white before death.The native

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body. One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated

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wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or

at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the

opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

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native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted

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shyam Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar,

Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and

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house will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

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Parashara Jee gave us sixteen chances to redeem oursleves!

 

If you love the exalted, find the varga where your focus should be, if exalted

is your desire! And focus on the varga that has what you desire!

 

Be true to it and not vacillate! For once born, the sixteen vargas are for life!

This lifetime, anyway! Unless you change your Ayanamsha! Many do!!

 

Some others choose to focus on the debilitated and help out in soup kitchens and

doctors beyond borders and so on!

 

The only common thread is sincerity and Flexibility!

 

Try it -- someday!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

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> Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some thing of

sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for marketability

but for not consumption.All planets benifit,only we want and work for

them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous to

feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities.Need to sharpen and so basics

out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes all of

us very comfortable to understand and play.So the cutting of course a very sharp

one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the job. Poora Jindagi

wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai badhiya hi hai.Katuti kar

kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne bahut kuch sikhaye.Now pay

back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the sake of kotwal to

fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. 

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> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

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> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

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> > Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids

 and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire for

people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write ups/texts/writings(

not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still toddles in play school

level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it ignores the

initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us are.It is still

best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete home work

first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely good

sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of debts,liberation

from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into heavens.mental

agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita quoted)//reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important if

understood.First formost hard work to learn,circulaltion

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Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types of

dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not

flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The

struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes

a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to

make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st

H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then

9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

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> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the

scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

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Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

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sleeping pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the

12th also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the

HOME of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

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the 5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

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blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

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can reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach

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represent growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always

good. Cancer is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

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 study of signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical

texts.They r appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have

significance to signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always

indicate and provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely

to experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for

improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out

of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri

Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and

their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt

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services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy.

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behaved, passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden,

unsympathetic, tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful.

One may be weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy

bodied. The native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be

extravagant and expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives

and loving to one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person

may have few talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be

lost.. One may sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the

opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction,

all the time. One may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have

illicit relations with the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness

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person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to death.      The

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that Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long

life.The native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous,

sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from

the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

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body. One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

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wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or

at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the

opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

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native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

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shyam Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar,

Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and

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house will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

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In his translation of BPHS, G.C.Sharma has explained the term 'apravritti', an

indicator of Saturn, as reluctance to begin a JOB.

 

Most of us go through moments when we know we should be doing a job that we are

not inclined to begin for some reason or the other and appravritti takes over.

The task stands in front of us like a huge mountain to be climbed. When we let

appravritti win, we remain standing without being able to move on spiritually

because we fail to take that all important next step.

 

But if we listen to MA and stop thinking and analysing and just LISTEN to her

and BEGIN, something happens. The mountain disappears and turns itself into a

beautiful valley that is not only easy but a delight to walk through! Simply the

experience of having listened to MA provides all necessary energy and

ingredients.

 

Then we are glad that we used our 3rd house. Like putting an arm around the

shoulders of our SAHAJ! Only LOVE comes out of that experience!

 

Perhaps that is what happened to the PAINTER.

 

MA is kind and knows that our hesitancy in the first place was because we had

not experienced this before, it was because of our ignorance! SHE perhaps even

expects that kind of behaviour from her growing children and tolerates it

patiently. SHE is all forgiving! And all for GIVING!

 

Regards,

Nandini

 

 

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No escape possible! That is what he told me! No further details provided!

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resigned himself to the painful job! He could be writing a novel instead or

cracking the CODE of the UNIVERSE! Or -- creating the MUSIC that could have

unfurled the Karma of many!

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the reality -- the brush that was held by the hand, the uppoer limb ruled by the

3rd house of (SAHAJ) and the chore became a rhythm and a habit almost! A hornet

or was it a honey bee that arrived but was not received by the PAINTER as a

threat or enemy but a companion who came by to say, " BRAVO -- BROTHER! You chose

to listen to MA and you are not a BOTHER any more! " ;-)

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> > Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some thing

of sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for marketability

but for not consumption.All planets benifit,only we want and work for

them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous to

feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities.Need to sharpen and so basics

out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes all of

us very comfortable to understand and play.So the cutting of course a very sharp

one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the job. Poora Jindagi

wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai badhiya hi hai.Katuti kar

kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne bahut kuch sikhaye.Now pay

back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the sake of kotwal to

fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. 

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> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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> > > Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids

 and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire for

people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write ups/texts/writings(

not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still toddles in play school

level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it ignores the

initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us are.It is still

best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete home work

first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely good

sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of debts,liberation

from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into heavens.mental

agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita quoted)//reach

our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important if

understood.First formost hard work to learn,circulaltion

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Uttara Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types

of dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not

flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The

struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes

a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to

make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st

H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then

9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

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B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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off but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on

the scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

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and Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

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sleeping pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the

12th also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the

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entity dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja

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road blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

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texts.They r appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have

significance to signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always

indicate and provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely

to experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for

improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out

of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri

Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and

their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

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services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

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performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

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behaved, passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden,

unsympathetic, tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful.

One may be weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy

bodied. The native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be

extravagant and expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives

and loving to one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person

may have few talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be

lost.. One may sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the

opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction,

all the time. One may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have

illicit relations with the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness

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other person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes

with one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary.

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that Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long

life.The native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous,

sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from

the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

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body. One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

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one's wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die

abroad or at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of

the opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

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ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

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Dear Dada,

I was just waging war in another group about Shodas vargas.This cam very handy

to work as an elixir.

Probably astrology has nothing left out to find that human beings and their

lifee to make them to be free from several from anchors/rudders.

if v r worried with ourselves,some body has to play an act of rescue.Not

remedies pl?

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 1:20 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Parashara Jee gave us sixteen chances to redeem oursleves!

 

 

 

If you love the exalted, find the varga where your focus should be, if exalted

is your desire! And focus on the varga that has what you desire!

 

 

 

Be true to it and not vacillate! For once born, the sixteen vargas are for life!

This lifetime, anyway! Unless you change your Ayanamsha! Many do!!

 

 

 

Some others choose to focus on the debilitated and help out in soup kitchens and

doctors beyond borders and so on!

 

 

 

The only common thread is sincerity and Flexibility!

 

 

 

Try it -- someday!

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

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> Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some thing of

sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for marketability

but for not consumption. All planets benifit,only we want and work for

them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous to

feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities.Need to sharpen and so basics

out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes all of

us very comfortable to understand and play..So the cutting of course a very

sharp one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the job. Poora

Jindagi wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai badhiya hi

hai.Katuti kar kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne bahut kuch

sikhaye.Now pay back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the sake of

kotwal to fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. 

 

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> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

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> > Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids

 and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire

for people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write

ups/texts/writings( not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still

toddles in play school level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it

ignores the initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us

are.It is still best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete

home work first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely

good sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of

debts,liberation from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into

heavens.mental agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita

quoted)//reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important

if understood.First formost hard work to

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Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types of

dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once

purity(not flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a

fact.The struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to

walk takes a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and

teaches how to make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect

comes out of 1st H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated)

and then 9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

 

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> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

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> > I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me off

but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the

scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

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Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

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sleeping pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the

12th also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the

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the 5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity

dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or

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blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

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represent growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always

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 study of signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of

classical texts.They r appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also

have significance to signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas

always indicate and provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is

likely to experience... These  areas are basically meant for

" to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good

and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and

Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets

capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these

planets in these house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to

improve and work on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral

authentication, enlightenments from

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services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

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house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar

says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

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But I have myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse

effect,if Venus happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th

cusp. 

 

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But as per classics the native performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders.

One will be enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity

and will not spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying

comforts. One will spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having

spent money for a good cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One

will spend one's time in games and be happy. The person will have an early

marriage. One will have a satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with

wealth and comforts. Married people of the opposite sex will be infatuated

towards the native who will keep all of them happy.

 

> There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards rearing

animals and making gains from this venture.

 

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> > > > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful,

ill behaved, passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden,

unsympathetic, tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful.

One may be weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy

bodied. The native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be

extravagant and expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives

and loving to one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person

may have few talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be

lost.. One may sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the

opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction,

all the time. One may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have

illicit relations with the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness

secretively. The person may

even suffer

 

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person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with

one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt

prevails right up to

death.   ÂÃâ\

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character.   Ãâ€Å\

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Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu

Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be

scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will

benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as

someone's heir and may look after the property also. The native will live up to

the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be

in service. The person will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the

native is problematic but later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also

been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the

earlier part and happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year.

One will be healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his

death a little white

before death.The native

 

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body. One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get

pre-accumulated

 

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wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or

at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the

opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people.. Inauspicious events occur

to the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

elephant's foot or due to a

 

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> > > > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native..The

native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted

 

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> > > > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish

shyam Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar,

Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and

also view of western astrologers. 

 

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> > > > > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12

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> > > > > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th

house will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

wearing

 

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by malefic planets will certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded

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A sound boogle !Good some body has some faith some  where to come through

apravritti.Several people in different tones conveyed problem of humanity.They r

heasitant to start.Some start and leave incomplete.other dare and endure to

complete .if Ma drives or paints and no more efforts to clear mountain,let the

message convince to hope for " need to start but not to remain aparvavrtti.iam

scared to paint innocents,more the enedeavour sani.if it is from horse mouth is

all the more regard

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, nandini <kakan_leo wrote:

 

nandini <kakan_leo

Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In his translation of BPHS, G.C.Sharma has explained the term 'apravritti'

, an indicator of Saturn, as reluctance to begin a JOB.

 

 

 

Most of us go through moments when we know we should be doing a job that we are

not inclined to begin for some reason or the other and appravritti takes over.

The task stands in front of us like a huge mountain to be climbed. When we let

appravritti win, we remain standing without being able to move on spiritually

because we fail to take that all important next step.

 

 

 

But if we listen to MA and stop thinking and analysing and just LISTEN to her

and BEGIN, something happens. The mountain disappears and turns itself into a

beautiful valley that is not only easy but a delight to walk through! Simply the

experience of having listened to MA provides all necessary energy and

ingredients.

 

 

 

Then we are glad that we used our 3rd house. Like putting an arm around the

shoulders of our SAHAJ! Only LOVE comes out of that experience!

 

 

 

Perhaps that is what happened to the PAINTER.

 

 

 

MA is kind and knows that our hesitancy in the first place was because we had

not experienced this before, it was because of our ignorance! SHE perhaps even

expects that kind of behaviour from her growing children and tolerates it

patiently. SHE is all forgiving! And all for GIVING!

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Nandini

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

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> I once heard from a friend of mine who did not have any debilitated planet in

kshetra.

 

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> And yet he was once allowed to experience debility! He HAD to paint a fence!

No escape possible! That is what he told me! No further details provided!

 

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> So, he put on his most discardable clothes and a hat to keep away the sun and

resigned himself to the painful job! He could be writing a novel instead or

cracking the CODE of the UNIVERSE! Or -- creating the MUSIC that could have

unfurled the Karma of many!

 

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> At first painful, and SMELLY (UGHH! Those PAINTS!), soon the BRUSH took over

the reality -- the brush that was held by the hand, the uppoer limb ruled by the

3rd house of (SAHAJ) and the chore became a rhythm and a habit almost! A hornet

or was it a honey bee that arrived but was not received by the PAINTER as a

threat or enemy but a companion who came by to say, " BRAVO -- BROTHER! You chose

to listen to MA and you are not a BOTHER any more! " ;-)

 

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> After my 'exalted' friend finished his tale, I asked him, " Why were you

painting a FENCE? "

 

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> He asked innocently, " What Fence? "

 

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> WORK indeed is WORSHIP -- and not what or how you do it? -- Or what comes out

of your efforts... "

 

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> Rohiniranjan

 

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> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

 

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> > Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some thing

of sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for marketability

but for not consumption. All planets benifit,only we want and work for

them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous to

feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities..Need to sharpen and so

basics out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes

all of us very comfortable to understand and play.So the cutting of course a

very sharp one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the

job. Poora Jindagi wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai

badhiya hi hai.Katuti kar kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne

bahut kuch sikhaye.Now pay back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the

sake of kotwal to fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. 

 

> >

 

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> >

 

> > --- On Thu, 1/28/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

 

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> > > Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids

 and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire

for people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write

ups/texts/writings( not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still

toddles in play school level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it

ignores the initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us

are.It is still best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete

home work first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely

good sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of

debts,liberation from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into

heavens.mental agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita

quoted)//reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important

if understood.First formost hard work to

learn,circulaltion

 

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> > > welath,CONDUCT, purity of mind,HAPPINESS, a Vedic scrifice(courtesy

Uttara Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types

of dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once

purity(not flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a

fact.The struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to

walk takes a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and

teaches how to make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect

comes out of 1st H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated)

and then 9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

 

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> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

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> > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

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> > > Does that make me the pizza guy who delivered on time in 30 minutes?

 

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> > > I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me

off but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on

the scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'!

 

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> > > Chela approached BABA and he was allowed to experiment -- in keeping with

what Baba DID! (Although ... but I do not want to complicate this message....! )

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> > > Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here or

elsewhere!

 

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> > > RR

 

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> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

......> wrote:

 

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> > > > That was just beautiful..Just the right post for the moment..

 

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> > > > Thanks RR JI!!

 

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> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

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> > > > > Lilly,

 

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> > > > > The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost

mystical! Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!!

 

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> > > > > I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen

those movies?

 

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> > > > > 8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of

Jyotish and intelligence to figure out the relationship!

 

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> > > > > 8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the

bounties to the 12th -- its son!

 

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> > > > > The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks

and Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

 

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> > > > > Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy

sleeping pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the

12th also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the

HOME of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

 

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> > > > > What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away

in the 5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present

entity dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja

or Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions!

 

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> > > > > I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing

you need at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you.

 

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> > > > > I am sincere and very SERIOUS!

 

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> > > > > Blessings

 

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> > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

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> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

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> > > > > > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major

road blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

 

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> > > > > > We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we

can reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach

our destination and complete the cycle.

 

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<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not

improve over time in regards to the 8th and 12th?

 

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> > > > > > > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and

12th).

 

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> > > > > > > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that

represent growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always

good. Cancer is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

 

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> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't

usually improve with time..

 

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<bursar_99@> wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of

 study of signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of

classical texts.They r appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also

have significance to signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas

always indicate and provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is

likely to experience.. These  areas are basically meant for

" to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good

and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and

Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets

capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these

planets in these house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to

improve and work on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral

authentication, enlightenments

from prolific writer like Smt

 

> > Mridula

 

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> > > Trivedi  impart right

 

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> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

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> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

@> wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @>

 

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> > > > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

 

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> > > > > > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar

says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

 

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effect,if Venus happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th

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But as per classics the native performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders.

One will be enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity

and will not spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying

comforts. One will spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having

spent money for a good cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One

will spend one's time in games and be happy. The person will have an early

marriage. One will have a satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with

wealth and comforts. Married people of the opposite sex will be infatuated

towards the native who will keep all of them happy.

 

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animals and making gains from this venture.

 

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> > > > > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is

sinful, ill behaved, passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be

downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked

and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy

and heavy bodied. The native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may

be extravagant and expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's

relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders.

The person may have few talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame

may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by

the opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual

interaction, all the time. One may always be involved in sexual activities. One

may have illicit relations with the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly

happiness secretively. The person may

even suffer

 

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> > > sexual ailments. One

 

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> > > > > > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some

other person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes

with one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary.

Debt prevails right up to

death.   ÂÃâ\

€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  The person is passionate and has bad

character.   Ãâ€Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚  Swindlers may cause a lot of harm.

 

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> > > > > > > > >   Auspicious Results : 

Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu

Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be

scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will

benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as

someone's heir and may look after the property also. The native will live up to

the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be

in service. The person will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the

native is problematic but later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also

been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the

earlier part and happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year.

One will be healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his

death a little white

before death.The native

 

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> > > and may die due

 

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age.   ÂÂ\

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business.

 

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> > > > > > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean

body. One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision.. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get

pre-accumulated

 

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> > > wealth. One

 

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> > > > > > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose

one's wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die

abroad or at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of

the opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

elephant's foot or due to a

 

> > horse

 

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> > > > > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The

native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has

quoted

 

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> > > > > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish

shyam Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar,

Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and

also view of western astrologers. 

 

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> > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

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house will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

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Nandu Batuniya,

 

It's a good thing that Shiva's temple is closely guarded by great bull

Nandani..Actually a bull she isn't at all at heart, but more a sweet, innocent,

loving cow!! Only when she MA sends to do her job/duty as the gate-keeper to

keep intruders from entering the premise.

 

 

Lilly

 

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

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> In his translation of BPHS, G.C.Sharma has explained the term 'apravritti', an

indicator of Saturn, as reluctance to begin a JOB.

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> Most of us go through moments when we know we should be doing a job that we

are not inclined to begin for some reason or the other and appravritti takes

over. The task stands in front of us like a huge mountain to be climbed. When we

let appravritti win, we remain standing without being able to move on

spiritually because we fail to take that all important next step.

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> But if we listen to MA and stop thinking and analysing and just LISTEN to her

and BEGIN, something happens. The mountain disappears and turns itself into a

beautiful valley that is not only easy but a delight to walk through! Simply the

experience of having listened to MA provides all necessary energy and

ingredients.

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> Then we are glad that we used our 3rd house. Like putting an arm around the

shoulders of our SAHAJ! Only LOVE comes out of that experience!

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> Perhaps that is what happened to the PAINTER.

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> MA is kind and knows that our hesitancy in the first place was because we had

not experienced this before, it was because of our ignorance! SHE perhaps even

expects that kind of behaviour from her growing children and tolerates it

patiently. SHE is all forgiving! And all for GIVING!

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> > And yet he was once allowed to experience debility! He HAD to paint a fence!

No escape possible! That is what he told me! No further details provided!

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> > So, he put on his most discardable clothes and a hat to keep away the sun

and resigned himself to the painful job! He could be writing a novel instead or

cracking the CODE of the UNIVERSE! Or -- creating the MUSIC that could have

unfurled the Karma of many!

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> > At first painful, and SMELLY (UGHH! Those PAINTS!), soon the BRUSH took over

the reality -- the brush that was held by the hand, the uppoer limb ruled by the

3rd house of (SAHAJ) and the chore became a rhythm and a habit almost! A hornet

or was it a honey bee that arrived but was not received by the PAINTER as a

threat or enemy but a companion who came by to say, " BRAVO -- BROTHER! You chose

to listen to MA and you are not a BOTHER any more! " ;-)

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> > After my 'exalted' friend finished his tale, I asked him, " Why were you

painting a FENCE? "

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> > WORK indeed is WORSHIP -- and not what or how you do it? -- Or what comes

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> > > Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some

thing of sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for

marketability but for not consumption.All planets benifit,only we want and work

for them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous

to feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities.Need to sharpen and so

basics out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes

all of us very comfortable to understand and play.So the cutting of course a

very sharp one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the job. Poora

Jindagi wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai badhiya hi

hai.Katuti kar kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne bahut kuch

sikhaye.Now pay back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the sake of kotwal

to fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. 

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> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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> > > > Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only

avoids  and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire

for people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write

ups/texts/writings( not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still

toddles in play school level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it

ignores the initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us

are.It is still best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete

home work first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely

good sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of

debts,liberation from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into

heavens.mental agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita

quoted)//reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important

if understood.First formost hard work to learn,circulaltion

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> > > > welath,CONDUCT, purity of mind,HAPPINESS, a Vedic scrifice(courtesy

Uttara Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types

of dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters

that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised

and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not

flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The

struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes

a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to

make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st

H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then

9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part)

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> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

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> > > > I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me

off but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on

the scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely

destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of

the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES

under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'!

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> > > > Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here

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and Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A

minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated

by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent

'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF

or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c

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sleeping pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the

12th also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the

HOME of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th!

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entity dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja

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road blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for

many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took

birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering..

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we can reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally

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represent growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always

good. Cancer is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY!

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 study of signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical

texts.They r appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have

significance to signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always

indicate and provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely

to experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for

improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out

of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri

Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and

their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these

house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work

on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication,

enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt

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> > > > > > > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th

house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar

says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim.

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        ÂÂÂ\

 Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â ÂÂ\

 Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ÂÃ\

‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â  But I have myself studied that

Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be

significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. 

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> > > > > > > > > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also

during its bhukti and antardasa.

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        ÂÂÂ\

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‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â But as per classics the native

performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and

prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money

uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for

pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The

native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be

happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory

sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the

opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them

happy.

> > > There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards

rearing animals and making gains from this venture.

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> > > > > > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill

behaved, passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden,

unsympathetic, tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful.

One may be weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy

bodied. The native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be

extravagant and expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives

and loving to one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person

may have few talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be

lost.. One may sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the

opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction,

all the time. One may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have

illicit relations with the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness

secretively. The person may even suffer

> > > from

> > >

> > > > sexual ailments. One

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> > > > > > > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some

other person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes

with one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary.

Debt prevails right up to death.     

The person is passionate and has bad

character.      Swindlers may cause a

lot of harm.

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> > > > > > > > > >   Auspicious Results :  Generally it is said

that Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long

life.The native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous,

sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from

the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look

after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will

practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person

will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but

later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e.

happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and

happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be

healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a

little white before death.The native

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age.      The native will earn one's

living through independent business.

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> > > > > > > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean

body. One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry,

traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in

speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial

matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and

narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the

native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's

sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may

suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin

ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one

may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart

problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may

not get pre-accumulated

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> > > > > > > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose

one's wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die

abroad or at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of

the opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be

punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore

this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and

learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good

people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to

the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may

expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year

may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due

to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an

elephant's foot or due to a

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> > > > > > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The

native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the

ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any

dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after

suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is

afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the

eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet

will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very

poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people

born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and

fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on

page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th

house and she has quoted

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> > > > > > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish

shyam Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar,

Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and

also view of western astrologers. 

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> > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

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> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ >

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> > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM

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> > > > > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy

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> > > > > > > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in

12 is considered good simlarly shani in 8th .

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> > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

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> > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM

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> > > > > > > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th

house will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly

situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results

effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna &

wearing

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> > > > > > > > > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by

malefic planets will certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off

totally by performance of shanti yajna etc.

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> > > > > > > > > > with thanks & regards, 

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