Guest guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 " JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " Is in my view a beautiful SURRENDER, Kulbir! The POET said in that line that you wanted me to translate with the little light that my Hurricane lantern in the village that I live in -- allows me to read by! I repented, whined, despaired, even destroyed myself out of anger... MA just watched silently, motionless and her beautiful face expressionless Her eyes expectant, hopeful, welcoming Her child, a piece of HER body and soul. Finally, the resistance broke... The child broke down and rushed to MAMA in total SURRENDER SHE BROKE DOWN TOO, as SHE EMBRACED THE PRODIGAL SON THAT RETURNED HOME! Good enough, translation, Kulbir Bains jee? Rohiniranjan , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Yes Kulbir meray Praa! > > Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I digress!) has TWO associations: > > Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise! > > Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/repentance/guilt/black-hole within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!' > > Does that help, dear brother? > > Rohiniranjan > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb. > > khubbna means getting stuck. > >  Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM > > Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi? > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > wrote: > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > > > Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir, > > > > kindly add exploring with imploring. > > > > " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring. > > > >  Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > ------------ -. > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only.. > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > > > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > > > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring.. > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > ------------ -. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could ....! > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > > > >  Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may... > > > > > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Gurudev It's a class translation; a refreshing chaser; like  seasoned scotch on the rocks in a crystal glass. It did quench my thirst.  Thanks, Lots of RespectRegards Kulbir Bains. ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sun, 24 January, 2010 7:04:16 PM PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...!  " JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " Is in my view a beautiful SURRENDER, Kulbir! The POET said in that line that you wanted me to translate with the little light that my Hurricane lantern in the village that I live in -- allows me to read by! I repented, whined, despaired, even destroyed myself out of anger... MA just watched silently, motionless and her beautiful face expressionless Her eyes expectant, hopeful, welcoming Her child, a piece of HER body and soul. Finally, the resistance broke... The child broke down and rushed to MAMA in total SURRENDER SHE BROKE DOWN TOO, as SHE EMBRACED THE PRODIGAL SON THAT RETURNED HOME! Good enough, translation, Kulbir Bains jee? Rohiniranjan , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Yes Kulbir meray Praa! > > Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I digress!) has TWO associations: > > Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise! > > Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/ repentance/ guilt/black- hole within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!' > > Does that help, dear brother? > > Rohiniranjan > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb. > > khubbna means getting stuck. > >  Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM > > Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi? > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> wrote: > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir, > > > > kindly add exploring with imploring. > > > > " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring. > > > >  Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > ------------ -. > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only.. > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > > > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > > > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring.. > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > ------------ -. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could .....! > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > > > >  Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may... > > > > > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > @ .. com > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 GurRRdev ji, group wants to thank you. i am posting the message from its moderator. Dear Kulbir bhai, I know Rohiniranjan ji very well [through his writings of course]. I read almost every piece he writes in JR and other Jyotish groups including his articles on Boloji. Every time I read his piece I feel so sad. Here is a great literary mind with an excellent expression [especially Victorian English] ; a master of narration; fantastic in his sarcasm; and none to beat him in his subtle humor, being wasted in these forums. At times I see in him a bit of Hemingway [my favorite] short sentences, simple and forceful. But alas! It is not destined to be so. Here is a literary genius destined to be wasted in the labyrinths of these insipid forums plagued with jealousies and intrigues. We are all acting out our parts on this Great Stage. I feel honored to be in the audience when a person like Rohiniranjan is playing. Thanks you posted his views. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi  Regards Kulbir Bains. ________________________________ Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Sun, 24 January, 2010 9:11:53 PM Re: PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...!  Gurudev It's a class translation; a refreshing chaser; like  seasoned scotch on the rocks in a crystal glass. It did quench my thirst.  Thanks, Lots of RespectRegards Kulbir Bains. ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Sun, 24 January, 2010 7:04:16 PM PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...!  " JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " Is in my view a beautiful SURRENDER, Kulbir! The POET said in that line that you wanted me to translate with the little light that my Hurricane lantern in the village that I live in -- allows me to read by! I repented, whined, despaired, even destroyed myself out of anger... MA just watched silently, motionless and her beautiful face expressionless Her eyes expectant, hopeful, welcoming Her child, a piece of HER body and soul. Finally, the resistance broke... The child broke down and rushed to MAMA in total SURRENDER SHE BROKE DOWN TOO, as SHE EMBRACED THE PRODIGAL SON THAT RETURNED HOME! Good enough, translation, Kulbir Bains jee? Rohiniranjan , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Yes Kulbir meray Praa! > > Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I digress!) has TWO associations: > > Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise! > > Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/ repentance/ guilt/black- hole within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!' > > Does that help, dear brother? > > Rohiniranjan > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb. > > khubbna means getting stuck. > >  Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM > > Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi? > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> wrote: > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir, > > > > kindly add exploring with imploring. > > > > " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring. > > > >  Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > ------------ -. > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only... > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > > > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > > > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring.. > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > ------------ -. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > >  > > > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could .....! > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > > > >  Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may... > > > > > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > > > <@ .. com> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > @ . . com > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this.. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Kulbir jee, Please thank Trivedi-jee for his kind words, although I am sure I do not deserve all that praise. Good to hear that someone is enjoying what flows out from my proverbial pen. I am not quite certain what he sees should I be doing so that others do not judge my time as being wasted on the fora :-) I am already writing, if he meant that for magazines etc and thanks to Goddess, have been able to make my writings freely available to all who wish to read. :-) Trivedi jee himself writes very well and it is indeed nice to read well-composed text. Such 'shuddhi' must be the goal and saadhna of all jyotishis, because after all, Jyotish is a language, a communication. One genuine and well-crafted praise and appreciation can wipe out the injuries caused by many insults, abuses and bickerings of mean-minded, mean-spirited people! Perhaps I was supposed to experience this very simple fact ;-) Rohiniranjan , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > GurRRdev ji, > > group wants to thank you. > i am posting the message from its moderator. > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > I know Rohiniranjan ji very well [through his writings of course]. I read almost every piece he writes in JR and other Jyotish groups including his articles on Boloji. > > Every time I read his piece I feel so sad. Here is a great literary mind with an excellent expression [especially Victorian English] ; a master of narration; fantastic in his sarcasm; and none to beat him in his subtle humor, being wasted in these forums. At times I see in him a bit of Hemingway [my favorite] short sentences, simple and forceful. But alas! It is not destined to be so. Here is a literary genius destined to be wasted in the labyrinths of these insipid forums plagued with jealousies and intrigues. We are all acting out our parts on this Great Stage. I feel honored to be in the audience when a person like Rohiniranjan is playing. > > Thanks you posted his views. > > Have a nice day, > > Varun Trivedi > >  Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > ________________________________ > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 9:11:53 PM > Re: PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...! > >  > Gurudev > It's a class translation; a refreshing chaser; like  seasoned scotch on the rocks in a crystal glass. > It did quench my thirst. >  Thanks, Lots of RespectRegards > Kulbir Bains. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 7:04:16 PM > PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...! > >  > " JO KHUB KARKEÂ DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " > > Is in my view a beautiful SURRENDER, Kulbir! > > The POET said in that line that you wanted me to translate with the little light that my Hurricane lantern in the village that I live in -- allows me to read by! > > I repented, whined, despaired, even destroyed myself out of anger... > > MA just watched silently, motionless and her beautiful face expressionless > > Her eyes expectant, hopeful, welcoming Her child, a piece of HER body and soul. > > Finally, the resistance broke... > The child broke down and rushed to MAMA in total SURRENDER > SHE BROKE DOWN TOO, as SHE EMBRACED THE PRODIGAL SON THAT RETURNED HOME! > > Good enough, translation, Kulbir Bains jee? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yes Kulbir meray Praa! > > > > Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I digress!) has TWO associations: > > > > Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise! > > > > Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/ repentance/ guilt/black- hole within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!' > > > > Does that help, dear brother? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb. > > > khubbna means getting stuck. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM > > > Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> wrote: > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > kindly add exploring with imploring. > > > > > > " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring. > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > > > > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only... > > > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > > > > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > > > > > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > > > > > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring.. > > > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could ....! > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > > > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > > > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > > > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > > > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > > > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > > > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > > > > > <@ .. com> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > @ . . com > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this.. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Careful Puttar ... :-) Scotch, doctors say is bad for the brain(wisdom), Liver and body-fat -- all three are ruled by Brihaspati! Brihaspati is essential for Astrology! :-) RR , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Gurudev > It's a class translation; a refreshing chaser; like  seasoned scotch on the rocks in a crystal glass. > It did quench my thirst. >  Thanks, Lots of RespectRegards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 7:04:16 PM > PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...! > >  > " JO KHUB KARKEÂ DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " > > Is in my view a beautiful SURRENDER, Kulbir! > > The POET said in that line that you wanted me to translate with the little light that my Hurricane lantern in the village that I live in -- allows me to read by! > > I repented, whined, despaired, even destroyed myself out of anger... > > MA just watched silently, motionless and her beautiful face expressionless > > Her eyes expectant, hopeful, welcoming Her child, a piece of HER body and soul. > > Finally, the resistance broke... > The child broke down and rushed to MAMA in total SURRENDER > SHE BROKE DOWN TOO, as SHE EMBRACED THE PRODIGAL SON THAT RETURNED HOME! > > Good enough, translation, Kulbir Bains jee? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yes Kulbir meray Praa! > > > > Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I digress!) has TWO associations: > > > > Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise! > > > > Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/ repentance/ guilt/black- hole within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!' > > > > Does that help, dear brother? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb. > > > khubbna means getting stuck. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM > > > Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> wrote: > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > kindly add exploring with imploring. > > > > > > " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring. > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > > > > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only.. > > > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > > > > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > > > > > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > > > > > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring.. > > > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could ....! > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > > > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > > > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > > > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > > > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > > > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > > > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > @ .. com > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Members,Those unaware of concepts of Kendriya Bhandars that make a strict vigil and security perspective might have to mind,these Mall concepts have no relavence in jyotish empire.  All including Ma and buyers r holed up for finding patterns and customer perspectives Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...! Monday, January 25, 2010, 10:39 PM  Babu Ji, Why don't you leave that glass of VISH(after all it is only Mahadev who has the power to swallow world's poison, keep it in his throat and not get to him)and instead have some, AMRITA!! Try this sweet, delicious Amrita that MA brought from SAGAR MANTHAN..Not only is it good for your body, and soul but also keeps the doctor away for good! You ought to buy them as MA's sales agent are selling them wholesale at bargain price, while quantities last! By the way they are not sold at your local retail/ grocers, at least not the original kind..SO HURRY!! Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Careful Puttar ... :-) > Scotch, doctors say is bad for the brain(wisdom) , Liver and body-fat -- all three are ruled by Brihaspati! Brihaspati is essential for Astrology! :-) > > RR > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > Gurudev > > It's a class translation; a refreshing chaser; like  seasoned scotch on the rocks in a crystal glass. > > It did quench my thirst. > >  Thanks, Lots of RespectRegards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 7:04:16 PM > > PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...! > > > >  > > " JO KHUB KARKEÂ DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " > > > > Is in my view a beautiful SURRENDER, Kulbir! > > > > The POET said in that line that you wanted me to translate with the little light that my Hurricane lantern in the village that I live in -- allows me to read by! > > > > I repented, whined, despaired, even destroyed myself out of anger... > > > > MA just watched silently, motionless and her beautiful face expressionless > > > > Her eyes expectant, hopeful, welcoming Her child, a piece of HER body and soul. > > > > Finally, the resistance broke... > > The child broke down and rushed to MAMA in total SURRENDER > > SHE BROKE DOWN TOO, as SHE EMBRACED THE PRODIGAL SON THAT RETURNED HOME! > > > > Good enough, translation, Kulbir Bains jee? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Yes Kulbir meray Praa! > > > > > > Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I digress!) has TWO associations: > > > > > > Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise! > > > > > > Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/ repentance/ guilt/black- hole within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!' > > > > > > Does that help, dear brother? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb.. > > > > khubbna means getting stuck. > > > >  Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM > > > > Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > >  > > > > how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi? > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > kindly add exploring with imploring. > > > > > > > > " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring. > > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > > > > > > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only.. > > > > > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > > > > > > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > > > > > > > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > > > > > > > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring.. > > > > > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > > > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could ....! > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > > > > > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > > > > > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > > > > > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > > > > > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > > > > > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > > > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 GuRRu ji, Scotch (Saturn) provided by Guru (Brahspat) in crystal glass ( Mercury ) becomes Amrit Kund and gives sight that of Hawk / Eagle. I don't know the astrology perspective but it is a universally accepted fact that Jatt always speaks / tries to speak in English under influence of alchohol . Jatt jadon vi pivey taan Angrezi bolega. Regards Kulbir Bains ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Tue, 26 January, 2010 4:51:43 AM Re: PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...!  Careful Puttar ... :-) Scotch, doctors say is bad for the brain(wisdom) , Liver and body-fat -- all three are ruled by Brihaspati! Brihaspati is essential for Astrology! :-) RR , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ....> wrote: > > Gurudev > It's a class translation; a refreshing chaser; like  seasoned scotch on the rocks in a crystal glass. > It did quench my thirst. >  Thanks, Lots of RespectRegards > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 7:04:16 PM > PERSPECTIVE IS REALITY ...! > >  > " JO KHUB KARKEÂ DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " > > Is in my view a beautiful SURRENDER, Kulbir! > > The POET said in that line that you wanted me to translate with the little light that my Hurricane lantern in the village that I live in -- allows me to read by! > > I repented, whined, despaired, even destroyed myself out of anger... > > MA just watched silently, motionless and her beautiful face expressionless > > Her eyes expectant, hopeful, welcoming Her child, a piece of HER body and soul. > > Finally, the resistance broke... > The child broke down and rushed to MAMA in total SURRENDER > SHE BROKE DOWN TOO, as SHE EMBRACED THE PRODIGAL SON THAT RETURNED HOME! > > Good enough, translation, Kulbir Bains jee? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yes Kulbir meray Praa! > > > > Khubbi, in my 'madhi-moti' broken PnJaabi (One year was barely enough to experience love in its many many forms, let alone learn one of the most beautiful and soul-touching language that Panjabee is and the beautiful culture that speaks it from birth to death -- the beautiful people who were exploited and not given their fair share, by their own brothers and sisters -- but I digress!) has TWO associations: > > > > Khubbi = Khoobie = talent/expertise! > > > > Khubbi = Kshobh (sanskrit/Hindi) = pain/glani/dukh/ repentance/ guilt/black- hole within the soul that simply sucks the rest of life and its energies away -- also known more colourfully as 'The Dark Night of the Soul!' > > > > Does that help, dear brother? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > Sir, Khoobi will come from khoob and khubbi will come from khubb. > > > khubbna means getting stuck. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 8:42:55 AM > > > Re: Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > how khubi?comes? from Khoob? or Khubi? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> wrote: > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > Fw: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:20 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > kindly add exploring with imploring. > > > > > > " khub karke " means intense imploring and exploring. > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 2:12:35 AM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Wadhe PrRRajee, > > > > > > The address Gurudev in the message was intended for your grace only.. > > > > > > Sir, may i ask for a favour. > > > > > > Page 136 of 1952 edition has the following lines- > > > > > > " HAZARON BHATAKATEIN HAIN LAKHAON DANA KARODON SAYANE > > > > > >   JO KHUB KARKE DEKHA AAKHEER KHUDA KI BATE KHUDA HI JAANE " . > > > > > > this word KHUB is misinterpreted as KHOOB. > > > > > >  KHUB (karke) is punjabi word denoting intenense imploring.. > > > > > > I request your goodself to translate these lines in your signature style torrential hurricane english. > > > > > >  Lots of Respect.Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 8:44:18 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sorry Kulbir Praaji that I jumped into your thread before your Gurujee could ....! > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu DO represent the memories and chain of experiences of MA (Moon) and BABA (Sun) and therefore I agree! What is Memory if it is not a record? > > > > > > Akashic record? Perhaps?? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > > Veda says, i don't remember whether its Rig Ved or Yajur Ved that > > > > > > > Sun and Moon are two luminaries. > > > > > > > Other 5 planets denote 5 tattwas. > > > > > > > Lalkitab says Rahu and Ketu are record keepers of one's actions. > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > ------------ -. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 6:30:44 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Just an addendum for further clarification, if I may... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize that we all use the term PLANETS for all nine factors, but I have always visualized them as four classes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIGHT: Sun which is a star > > > > > > > light: Moon which alone is a satellite of the earth and hence so important astrologically in a 'personal' sense > > > > > > > Planets: The five who are samadharmis to earth and orbit around the sun. > > > > > > > Chaayas: Mathematical points such as rahu and ketu and Gulika which I use quite a bit and other upagrahas (project for next lifetime!) and several other factors which we do not need to go into. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is, in other words, only one moon where earth is concerned and therefore only a pair of nodes that would matter astrologically. Even Gulika is not in the same category even though it too, like rahu ketu is a derived byproduct! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not have to 'beg' to differ from me! :-) In fact I BEG others to not take what I say as gospel, in other way to differ from me, just for the heck of differing and keeping me from getting bored ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought when you meant for instance Jupiter's nodes (let us not use rahu/ketu or it will becomes a confused and confusing mess of the thread and it is already heading that way ;-)) -- I thought you meant if someone were to stand on jupiter and visualized the projected orbit of Jupiter (sun's path as seen from Jupiter) and the nodes where the orbital paths of Jupiter's moons crossed the Jovian-sun, those two nodes of the crossing of the two elipses would be Jupiter's nodes.. I think Jupiter has five moons so there would be 10 nodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if I understand you correctly, now, that you meant the nodes of intersection of the orbit of Jupiter crossing the orbit of the projected sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is different from the moon for the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon orbits around the earth and therefore rahu and ketu are very personal and local to the earth and created by the ring of energy created by the moon orbiting the earth and earth orbiting the one and only STAR in our solar system, namely, the sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am still not 'getting it' what you mean by the nodes of the other planets, please do not hesitate to get back to me and Type away :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ with you. I can understand that jyothish is based on our perception from earth and thats why sun goes around earth and not the other way around. > > > > > > > > > But rahu and ketu is the point that moon touches on the eliptical plane and this eliptical plane is plane of earths orbit and not other planets. What i meant by rahu and ketu of other planets is that all other planets also cut this eliptical plane as we perceive from earth. Hence the question is definitely within the perview of geocentricity as you mentioned. > > > > > > > > > On dec 12 2012 for instance venus is aligning with its rahu, placing venus's rahu in the same degree as venus will be on our chart.. Thereafter, if we know the rate of motion we can track its motion on the chart. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:18:27 > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because we live on the earth! " our " rahu and ketu are created by the maya of earth! Infact Jyotish is a product of the Mayavini drishti from Earth, hence Geocentric/geotopic al :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Maya that makes sun go through rashis, that makes the planets retrograde, etc ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , santhosh10@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > I got this tit bit from a book by sk mehta. He hasnt mentioned if it is linear or cyclical.. But, our common sense suggests that it has to be cyclical only. Meaning, if this is the rate of increase in duration of day today it could have been at a faster rate before. But then when it is a tiny fraction of a second per century now, anything faster will not approach even a second per century, i guess. > > > > > > > > > > On the subject of solar system in 3d, i have a small question for you. When our ancients considered rahu ketu of moon, why did they completely ignore rahu ketu of other planets. For instance, jupiter has a significant rahu ketu and even mercury... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:21 > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting fact Santhosh jee. But is it a linear (monotonic) change or is it cyclical like the annual rate of precession (of Synetic vernal point)? In other words does the slowing fluctuates over a very very long time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, and this could be arguable, I believe Usha Sashi (?) indicates the abbreviated ahargana as 74640 days before 1-1-2010. Lahiri gives the first date of current series as 18 feb 3102 BCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You will have to take it from there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > @ . . com > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas..... > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two.. One creates new > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.. With > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote 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