Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 To All, Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and Brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may even be hidden and appear as dark matter. There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of physical cosmology. -VJ ====================== == , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same? > > # yes it is same. > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names > > # this is based on jupiter > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of the yuga. > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own calculations of yugas. > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > >  > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > >  > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > RR > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16 Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM  To All, Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and Brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may even be hidden and appear as dark matter. There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of physical cosmology. -VJ ============ ========= = == , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same? > > # yes it is same. > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names > > # this is based on jupiter > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@.. . > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of the yuga. > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own calculations of yugas. > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > >  > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > >  > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > RR > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Dear Krishna ji, //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// rightly said. However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  Curious minds can dwell further.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM  To All, Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and Brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may even be hidden and appear as dark matter. There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of physical cosmology. -VJ ============ ========= = == , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same? > > # yes it is same. > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names > > # this is based on jupiter > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@.. . > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of the yuga. > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own calculations of yugas. > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > >  > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the universe and the yuga division is as follows > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not 120 years). > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to other standards of measurement of time. > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as stated in vedas). > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > >  > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord Brahma, the creator is > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun which may turn into > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > >  > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > RR > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction of Man with Nature was always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have an interesting thought. it is not a grand discovery but nevertheless interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around sun also commensurately adjusted . > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means the maximum age of man would have been more than 500 years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour day. > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have been glorified through Yuga Purushas, the understanding to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the presnt Yuga is referred to as Kali Yuga Maha Purusha Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the question was sharp and has something else to unfold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth year? > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per tradition/myth or as per purana when did the first yuga begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > A meaningful approach that " Aham " promotes " brih " In the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > >  Those bewildered with so many things around him have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into a > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in both > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and destiny > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates new > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical issue > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out look. > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral level > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their sankalp is > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma sankalp and > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation to > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and concentration, > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. With > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this universe with > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process of > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be the > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However since all > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, they are > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said to be son > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as Prakrti > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well with > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking that if > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe we also > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live that way > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Suresh jee, Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! Submitted respectfully -- for consideration... Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > rightly said. > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > >  > > To All, > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > physical cosmology. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same? > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > have 60 names > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > the yuga. > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > calculations of yugas. > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > 120 years). > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > which may turn into > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Why do members who claim to be so wise and engaged in a pursuit like Jyotish and spirituality and so on get irritated so easily, Krishnan jee? I thought Religion, Spiritualism, Jyotish, Philosophy was supposed to make us humble and through truly feeling humble we will begin to develop the ego-strength that is necessary for compassion, patience, tolerance, BALANCE -- the very virtues that we all would need to serve ALL and through such serve GOD or ALL THAT IS! By EGO-STRENGTH, I do not mean the ill-understood tabloid meaning of Ego (egotism, arrogance, thin skin, false interpretations of self and others and weakness) but in the sense in which psychologists use it! The EGO-Integrity that represents a person properly raised and cultured, who has enough self-esteem and feelings of self-worth that allow him to smile in difficult situations and still feel kindly towards others. People like these (strong and balanced egos) tend not to have short-fuses and generally do not fly off their handle. Getting to be a rare breed! Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > VJha <vinayjhaa16 > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > To All, > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > physical cosmology. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same? > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > have 60 names > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > the yuga. > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > calculations of yugas. > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > 120 years). > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > which may turn into > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM  Suresh jee, Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > rightly said. > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > >  > > To All, > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > physical cosmology. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same? > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > have 60 names > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > the yuga. > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > calculations of yugas. > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > 120 years). > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > which may turn into > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainity of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261 wrote: PG <darshan261 Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM  Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM  Suresh jee, Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > rightly said. > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > >  > > To All, > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > physical cosmology. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same? > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > have 60 names > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > the yuga. > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > calculations of yugas. > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > 120 years). > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > which may turn into > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear all,  Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions.  Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge..  in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!!  Thanks & regards, Rajesh --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM  Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261 > wrote: PG <darshan261 > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM  Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM  Suresh jee, Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > rightly said. > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > >  > > To All, > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > physical cosmology. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same? > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > have 60 names > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > the yuga. > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > calculations of yugas. > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > 120 years). > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > which may turn into > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear All, It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  Dear all,  Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions.  Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge..  in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!!  Thanks & regards, Rajesh --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM  Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: PG <darshan261> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM  Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM  Suresh jee, Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > rightly said. > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > >  > > To All, > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > physical cosmology. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same? > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > have 60 names > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > the yuga. > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > calculations of yugas. > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > 120 years). > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > which may turn into > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'‚ > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > theÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ > > ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Friend of Jyotish, Participating is not the goal, but the natural outcome! One does not need a Human Guru for learning Jyotish! Many have done that successfully -- and more shall! There will be resistance to that kind of thinking and encouragement, obviously -- and perhaps there is a nuance embedded within that belief that I express here. Eklavya did not really need a Human Guru but such was the conditioning back then. He lost his thumb to a Human being who had a personal cause at stake! Take it or leave it! Regards, Rohiniranjan , PG <darshan261 wrote: > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM >  > > > Suresh jee, > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]]. I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear All, > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > Dear all, >  > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. >  > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. >  > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! >  > Thanks & regards, > Rajesh > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > >  > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > PG <darshan261> > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > >  > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > >  > > Suresh jee, > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. -VJ ========================= == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]]. I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@> > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > >  > > Dear all, > >  > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > >  > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > >  > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > >  > > Thanks & regards, > > Rajesh > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > PG <darshan261> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > >  > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// Very true //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - whether they are expelled or accepted; whether they are rediculed or praised ; whether they are here or there So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ VJha <vinayjhaa16 Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. -VJ ============ ========= ==== == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > >  > > Dear all, > >  > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > >  > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > >  > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > >  > > Thanks & regards, > > Rajesh > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > PG <darshan261> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > >  > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ’‚ > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ’‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Suresh ji, it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for moksha.... yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed out. regards santhosh  ________________________________ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// Very true //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - whether they are expelled or accepted; whether they are rediculed or praised ; whether they are here or there So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. -VJ ============ ========= ==== == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > >  > > Dear all, > >  > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > >  > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > >  > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > >  > > Thanks & regards, > > Rajesh > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > PG <darshan261> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > >  > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ’‚ > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ’‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Though I don't to continue this discussion nor like it, couldn't help writing this If grahasthas had the power to expell Sansyasis from " this " world, they have found the right path. Sanyasis should thank the gentleman who discovered the power of Grahasthas After all that what they hope to achieve - to be be expelled from " this " world  (no further comments from me on this) A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Santhosh <santhosh10 Thu, January 28, 2010 3:31:32 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  Dear Suresh ji, it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for moksha.... yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed out. regards santhosh  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// Very true //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - whether they are expelled or accepted; whether they are rediculed or praised ; whether they are here or there So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. -VJ ============ ========= ==== == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > >  > > Dear all, > >  > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > >  > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > >  > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > >  > > Thanks & regards, > > Rajesh > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > PG <darshan261> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > >  > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ’‚ > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ’‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Members, Iam sure that wgat ever it emerged in the words of Prof Jha://Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa// It is most relevant and requires also time to understand.where as man only has to do samkalpa.This is waht every body should ernestly think of to do(role Play) In the context of T.S.Eliots " Sanyas Path " the circumstances were not known.But the very path of sanyas is to be away from rejoice.But " poking fun " and making issues in a very light hearted have to be abhored.The intention of all ( mainly grihasthas) when ever they notice they need to administer or otherwsie suggest innoculation to prevent it.what matters really is the intellectual thought and the explanation that serves as value addition.basically being a JR platform often it has been repetedly solicited to keep track of jyotish,a divine light and promote discussion that helps.As a man v r happy to do samkalpa and leave the rest to the Almighty. It is not necessary or desirable if some things gets deviated and expanded,the intention has to keep away instead of a healthy pointer to the group to make them realise.This subtlity by way of mild cesure helps enthusiasts about dos and donts.Internet forms often give scope for demeaning than to pursue for finer elements. Iam happy really that somebody could ventillate views and correct the thread.Prof Jha,Shri Suresh Ji and all other have taken out time and enlightened about Brhma Ke Samkalpa.. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Thursday, January 28, 2010, 5:20 AM  Though I don't to continue this discussion nor like it, couldn't help writing this If grahasthas had the power to expell Sansyasis from " this " world, they have found the right path. Sanyasis should thank the gentleman who discovered the power of Grahasthas After all that what they hope to achieve - to be be expelled from " this " world  (no further comments from me on this) A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Santhosh <santhosh10 > Thu, January 28, 2010 3:31:32 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  Dear Suresh ji, it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for moksha.... yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed out. regards santhosh  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// Very true //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - whether they are expelled or accepted; whether they are rediculed or praised ; whether they are here or there So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa  If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. -VJ ============ ========= ==== == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > >  > > Dear all, > >  > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > >  > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > >  > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > >  > > Thanks & regards, > > Rajesh > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > >  > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > PG <darshan261> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > >  > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ’‚ > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ’‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth.. but > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãâ€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ãââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ ..co. > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Didn't Brhama Ji create this Shristi 4 times..The last one he kept it as he saw it as perfect..Brahma is also shown as both Chaturamukh(4 faces), and also panchanand(5 faces) so which one of Brahma Ji was Satya_Samkalpi? While there are numerous temples dedicated to the 2 out 3 holy trinity (Vishnu Ji, and Shankar Ji) all over, why isn't Brahma worshiped like them, being the creator he is? There is only 2 Brahma temples dedicated to him one in Ajmer/Pushkar, and the other in Kerala in all of India.. Lilly , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. > > -VJ > ========================= == > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]]. I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@> > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > Dear all, > > >  > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > > >  > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > > >  > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Rajesh > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > > > PG <darshan261> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Grhasthi's never expel Sanyasis.. Sanyasis themselves leave the household as they find this painstaking life of " RESPONSIBILITIES " - a big interference with their personal mission, and goals in life!! Rather than performing their worldly duties within the household, they head on out to free themselves.. But hey, anyone can remain pure while in the jungle since there is little interference of Maya, and attractions of this world. Lilly , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Though I don't to continue this discussion nor like it, couldn't help writing this > > If grahasthas had the power to expell Sansyasis from " this " world, they have found the right path. > > Sanyasis should thank the gentleman who discovered the power of Grahasthas > > After all that what they hope to achieve - to be be expelled from " this " world >  > (no further comments from me on this) > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Santhosh <santhosh10 > > Thu, January 28, 2010 3:31:32 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > Dear Suresh ji, > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for moksha.... > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed out. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// > > Very true > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - > whether they are expelled or accepted; > whether they are rediculed or praised ; > whether they are here or there > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ==== == > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > Dear all, > > >  > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > > >  > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > > >  > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Rajesh > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course > of > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > > > PG <darshan261> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 1 Da denotes respect 2 Dada denotes familiarity and worldly bhratri prem 3 Da Da Da risks getting misinterpreted as stammering :-) RR_, , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. > > -VJ > ========================= == > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]]. I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@> > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > Dear all, > > >  > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > > >  > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > > >  > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Rajesh > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > > > PG <darshan261> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Desire is not the sole property of Grihasths Bairagya is not the sole possession of *Sanyasis* Life/Human Experience is not black and white! It is GREY! RR_, , Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: > > Dear Suresh ji, > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for moksha.... > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed out. > > regards > santhosh > >  > > > > ________________________________ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// > > Very true > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - > whether they are expelled or accepted; > whether they are rediculed or praised ; > whether they are here or there > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > >  > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ==== == > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > Dear all, > > >  > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > > >  > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > > >  > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Rajesh > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course > of > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > > > PG <darshan261> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken 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Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Vinay ji, You simply must see that very Grihastha film about " Gandhigiri " . It is about a Dada (in the Bangali sense) and an adopted Bhai (in the Bengali sense). All I saw in that film was the enormous TRUST, devotion and LOVE that the younger brother had on the ELDER! Dada is not an upaadhi, it is way more than that! Regards, Nandini , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. > > -VJ > ========================= == > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]]. I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@> > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > Dear all, > > >  > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > > >  > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > > >  > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > > >  > > > Thanks & regards, > > > Rajesh > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course of > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > > > PG <darshan261> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,Vibhava > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of years is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokas and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well crafted into " time " ). However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed. " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Rajesh, //maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. // I think you are talking about the the gunas of the three Drekkanas of a sign - the Sattwik, Rajasic and Tamasic. The way I get it is that the Tamasic state is one where the sponge in us absorbs water. It is the state where Gods come down on earth to enlighten us! Magic happens! We are taken care of by the Universe and destiny has a greater say. Things 'happen' to us and we receive. We are like the battery that is being charged. The Rajasic state is one where the battery has been charged and is being used. The sponge is us has accepted enough to be able to give out some water as well. There is a sense of responsibility but also an inherent danger in this phase. The battery could begin to think that " I am the Source of Power " . The sponge is us may think " I am the Source of Water " . Just like the King thinks he is the giver and the protector. When the battery is being used continuously, obviously the charge draines out at some point of time. The battery is then baffled! Its illusion about WHERE the charge came from takes a hit. And if we are fortunate and can grow, then we realise that the battery was able to generate power because it had been charged before, may be through many many previous lifetimes. Once we GET that, we know that the best way is to use the battery while it is being charged simultaneously. Like a permeable membrane. We RECEIVE gratefully, we SHARE gratefully. Hoping there is someone who needs just what we have to share. Just like we RECEIVED gratefully what others had to SHARE. Regards, Nandini , Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds wrote: > > Dear all, >  > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. >  > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. >  > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! >  > Thanks & regards, > Rajesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Nandini ji,  //We RECEIVE gratefully, we SHARE gratefully. Hoping there is someone who needs just what we have to share. Just like we RECEIVED gratefully what others had to SHARE\\   i think the above lines from you sums it up all..and gives a beautiful prespective to both " giver " & " seeker " in this forum.  Wont say much on this topic but like many other " seeker " here, looking forward to " absorb " from more interesting and enlightning discussions from learned members.  Warm regards, rajesh --- On Fri, 1/29/10, nandini <kakan_leo wrote: nandini <kakan_leo Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa Friday, January 29, 2010, 12:13 AM  Dear Rajesh, //maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. // I think you are talking about the the gunas of the three Drekkanas of a sign - the Sattwik, Rajasic and Tamasic. The way I get it is that the Tamasic state is one where the sponge in us absorbs water. It is the state where Gods come down on earth to enlighten us! Magic happens! We are taken care of by the Universe and destiny has a greater say. Things 'happen' to us and we receive. We are like the battery that is being charged. The Rajasic state is one where the battery has been charged and is being used. The sponge is us has accepted enough to be able to give out some water as well. There is a sense of responsibility but also an inherent danger in this phase. The battery could begin to think that " I am the Source of Power " . The sponge is us may think " I am the Source of Water " . Just like the King thinks he is the giver and the protector. When the battery is being used continuously, obviously the charge draines out at some point of time. The battery is then baffled! Its illusion about WHERE the charge came from takes a hit. And if we are fortunate and can grow, then we realise that the battery was able to generate power because it had been charged before, may be through many many previous lifetimes. Once we GET that, we know that the best way is to use the battery while it is being charged simultaneously. Like a permeable membrane. We RECEIVE gratefully, we SHARE gratefully. Hoping there is someone who needs just what we have to share. Just like we RECEIVED gratefully what others had to SHARE. Regards, Nandini , Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ ....> wrote: > > Dear all, >  > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. >  > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. >  > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! >  > Thanks & regards, > Rajesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi.., NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!! While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get HIGH by living their everyday life in ghrihasti. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Desire is not the sole property of Grihasths > Bairagya is not the sole possession of *Sanyasis* > > Life/Human Experience is not black and white! It is GREY! > > RR_, > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > Dear Suresh ji, > > > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for moksha.... > > > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed out. > > > > regards > > santhosh > > > >  > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> > > > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > >  > > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// > > > > Very true > > > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// > > > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - > > whether they are expelled or accepted; > > whether they are rediculed or praised ; > > whether they are here or there > > > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > >  > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. > > > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. > > > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . > > > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. > > > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ==== == > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear all, > > > >  > > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > > > >  > > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > > > >  > > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > > > >  > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > Rajesh > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course > > of > > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > > > > > PG <darshan261> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Dear All, I think this BIPOLAR dichotomy of sanyaasi vs grihastha while often portrayed as two sides of the coin of human experience is a bit unrealistic and a bit deceiving. Lahiri Mahashaya, Thakur Paramahamsa and Gandhiji were householders/Grihasthas in a sense but were also Sanyaasis! NOW PLEASE -- no one needs to get upset! Just because I have named these three Mahatmaas in the same sentence should not be misinterpreted to imply that I am EQUATING them in their spiritual or other attainments! Human experience is not Black and White! IT is GREY!! The sooner we all realize and accept that, the sooner we can arrive back HOME! All of us prodigal sons and daughters!! Ma is waiting & Baba should be back from His shopping any time soon!! ;-) Respectfully submitted, Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi.., > NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!! > While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get HIGH by living their everyday life in ghrihasti. > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Desire is not the sole property of Grihasths > > Bairagya is not the sole possession of *Sanyasis* > > > > Life/Human Experience is not black and white! It is GREY! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suresh ji, > > > > > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for moksha.... > > > > > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed out. > > > > > > regards > > > santhosh > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> > > > > > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires// > > > > > > Very true > > > > > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.// > > > > > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? - > > > whether they are expelled or accepted; > > > whether they are rediculed or praised ; > > > whether they are here or there > > > > > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against. > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > >  > > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it. > > > > > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here. > > > > > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being " discussed " . > > > > > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce. > > > > > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= ==== == > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)), > > > > > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth: > > > > > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. " > > > > > > > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand the general mood. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Dear all, > > > > >  > > > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions. > > > > >  > > > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a wet sponge.. > > > > >  > > > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that please continue with your discussion, as even though they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference for sure!! > > > > >  > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > Rajesh > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course > > > of > > > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his panchendriyas.  > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > PG <darshan261> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which most of us face. > > > > > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to learn more. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Suresh jee, > > > > > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is. > > > > > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum! > > > > > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not *asleep*. > > > > > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to! > > > > > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a beautiful pearl! > > > > > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul! > > > > > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. .. > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge of cosmic universe// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is shear waste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has several. > > > > > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time. > > > > > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah > > > > > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to vast distance from earth.is it so? > > > > > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical cosmology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have 60 names > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the yuga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this discussion. Some of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 120 years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stated in vedas). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on (these are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute point is the span > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One day of lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which may turn into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.'' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many jyotishis ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Man with Nature was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes you are right. i have anÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ interesting thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not a grand discovery but neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ ƒÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is directly proportional to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun also commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ adjusted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could it be somehow related to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few years countable on our fingers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been glorified through Yuga Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\ ‚ the understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to asÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question was sharp and has something else to unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €š > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition/myth or as perÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡ purana when did the first yuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > santhosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Power is believed and trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A meaningful approach thatÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is carried of past karmas.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Those bewildered with so many things around him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and develop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implications making headaway through Lagna,pancham and navam is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond their faculties that made them to deram,work and realise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finally. It is matter of determination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sankalp and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fulfil one'e ambition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concentration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imprinted deeply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saptarishi(7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prakrti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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