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This is a very unfair assessment and conclusion, Lilly! Of Sanyaasis!!

 

As long as one remains in the mortal body, we all carry our Burdens of Karma.

Sanyasi or Grihastha, each has a place in the Human Experience! Koi Bada naa

Chota!!

 

I will leave it at that!

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Grhasthi's never expel Sanyasis.. Sanyasis themselves leave the household as

they find this painstaking life of " RESPONSIBILITIES " - a big interference with

their personal mission, and goals in life!! Rather than performing their worldly

duties within the household, they head on out to free themselves..

> But hey, anyone can remain pure while in the jungle since there is little

interference of Maya, and attractions of this world.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> >

> > Though I don't to continue this discussion nor like it, couldn't help

writing this

> >

> > If grahasthas had the power to expell Sansyasis from " this " world, they have

found the right path.

> >

> > Sanyasis should thank the gentleman who discovered the power of Grahasthas 

> >

> > After all that what they hope to achieve - to be be expelled from " this "

world

> >  

> > (no further comments from me on this)

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Santhosh <santhosh10@>

> >

> > Thu, January 28, 2010 3:31:32 PM

> > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> >

> >  

> > Dear Suresh ji,

> >

> > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as

special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for

moksha....

> >

> > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed

out.

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> >  

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> >

> > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM

> > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> >

> >  

> > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

> >

> > Very true

> >

> > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or

at least from all internet fora.//

> >

> > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

> > whether they are expelled or accepted;

> > whether they are rediculed or praised ;

> > whether they are here or there

> >

> > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> >

> > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

> > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> >

> >  

> > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as

Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The

Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to

those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

> >

> > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here.

> >

> > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

> >

> > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into

being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only

samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

> >

> > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real

sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis

to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ========= ==== ==

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over

jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

> > >

> > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over

the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings

and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in

the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully

expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

> > >

> > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and

soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

> > >

> > >

> > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream

though in the beginning I did have my doubts!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows

who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds,

which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand

the general mood.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

> > > >

> > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >  

> > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying

attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone

take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that

in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and

learned things beyond just mere predictions.

> > > >  

> > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate)

remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right

now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge..

maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release..

like a wet sponge..:)

> > > >  

> > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members

here that please continue with  your discussion, as even though they wont

realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but

the difference for sure!!

> > > >  

> > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > Rajesh

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about

jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from

their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the

ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we

know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor

astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of

wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part

of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well

intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors

are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not

total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be

considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide

ramifications on the course

> > of

> > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or

something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his

panchendriyas.  

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > PG <darshan261>

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

> > > >

> > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to

learn more.

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > Suresh jee,

> > > >

> > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more

than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those

actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or

comprehension is.

> > > >

> > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of

those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about

99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

> > > >

> > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans

as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not

*asleep*.

> > > >

> > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no

one is responding or responding as we would want them to!

> > > >

> > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from

Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a

beautiful pearl!

> > > >

> > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

> > > >

> > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >

> > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough

knowledge of cosmic universe//

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > rightly said.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent

is shear waste.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has

several.

> > > >

> > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the

creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it

Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these

scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the

banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of

Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for

10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time.

> > > >

> > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

> > > >

> > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

> > > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >  

> > > >

> > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through

knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues

relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light

years due to vast distance from earth.is it so?

> > > >

> > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not

lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues

will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. 

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >  

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > To All,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed

since

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture

of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time

and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but

lying

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > physical cosmology.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ============ ========= = ==

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita

are

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > the same?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > # yes it is same.

> > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make

60

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

and thus

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > have 60 names

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > # this is based on jupiter

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> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > the yuga.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita

are

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > calculations of yugas.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man

to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can

Control

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

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> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this

discussion. Some of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

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> > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created

the

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> > > >

> > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

> > > >

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> > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in

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> > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

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> > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

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> > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as

> > > >

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> > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to

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> > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not

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> > > > > 120 years).

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> > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

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> > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not 365.25)

due to

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> > > > > other standards of measurement of time.

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> > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as

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> > > > > stated in vedas).

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> > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

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> > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years.

In

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> > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on

(these are

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute

point is the span

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> > > > >

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> > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya

&

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> > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas.

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> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

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> > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the

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> > > >

> > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered

as

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> > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time

bound

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One day of

lord

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> > > > >

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> > > > > Brahma, the creator is

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of

Sun

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> > > > > which may turn into

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> > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for

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> > > > > > 1555200 billion years.''

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st

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> > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72

mahayugas

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> > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' .

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

Can Control

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM

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> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-)

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> > > > > > RR

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

bursar_99@

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> > > > > ....> wrote:

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> > > > > > > Jee Baba,

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> > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K

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> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > >

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> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard

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> > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Santosh Ji,

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> > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to

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> > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion

when

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> > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction

ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

Man with Nature was

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the

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> > > > >

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> > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things

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> > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person.

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> > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha

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> > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000

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> > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is

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> > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power

to

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> > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas.

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> > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending

on

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> > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his

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> > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and

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> > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification

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> > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years

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> > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years

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> > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with

views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

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> > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

Wisemen Can Control Them "

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anÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

interesting thought.

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> > > > > it is not a grand discovery but

neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

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> > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly

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> > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration

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> > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour

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> > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve

around

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> > > > > sun also

commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\

¡ÃƒÆ'‚ adjusted .

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> > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and

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> > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth.

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> > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means

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¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500

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earth

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> > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to

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Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\

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WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

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> > > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you

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> > > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

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> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

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> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > > > > Sir,

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super

> > > >

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> > > > > Power is believed and trusted.

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> > > > > > > > A meaningful approach

thatÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In

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> > > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work.

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> > > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi "

need

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> > > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known

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> > > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out

look

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> > > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with

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> > > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden

that

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> > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

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> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co.

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> > > > > uk> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

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> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

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> > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

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> > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows

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> > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome

in

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> > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

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> > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One

creates

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> > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

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> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

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> > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

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> > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

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> > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a

philosophical

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> > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

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> > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

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Dear Members,Sanyasi is a Man/woman first.He has some samakalpa.That might be

sanyasa or grihastha.Both have purposes and both have the mission to achieve in

their own way..It is all in their janma Kundali.Nothing happens abruptly.sanyasi

is about not leaving the house nor having desires alone.he lays a goal for

himself,a matter of realisation that he wants to pursue by distancing himself

and being away from worldly pursuits or material possessions.he has a goal and

finds a mission.when his Guru gives him Deeksha and wants him to do sadhan,he

gets involved in it.Grihastha to Sanyasi and Sanyasi grihasti are not

uncommon.It is matter of one's own realisation.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Grhasthi's never expel Sanyasis.. Sanyasis themselves leave the household as

they find this painstaking life of " RESPONSIBILITIES " - a big interference with

their personal mission, and goals in life!! Rather than performing their worldly

duties within the household, they head on out to free themselves..

 

But hey, anyone can remain pure while in the jungle since there is little

interference of Maya, and attractions of this world.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Though I don't to continue this discussion nor like it, couldn't help writing

this

 

>

 

> If grahasthas had the power to expell Sansyasis from " this " world, they have

found the right path.

 

>

 

> Sanyasis should thank the gentleman who discovered the power of Grahasthas 

 

>

 

> After all that what they hope to achieve - to be be expelled from " this " world

 

>  

 

> (no further comments from me on this)

 

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

 

>

 

> Thu, January 28, 2010 3:31:32 PM

 

> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

>

 

>  

 

> Dear Suresh ji,

 

>

 

> it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as

special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for

moksha....

 

>

 

> yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed

out.

 

>

 

> regards

 

> santhosh

 

>

 

>  

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

>

 

> Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM

 

> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

>

 

>  

 

> //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

 

>

 

> Very true

 

>

 

> //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at

least from all internet fora.//

 

>

 

> Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

 

> whether they are expelled or accepted;

 

> whether they are rediculed or praised ;

 

> whether they are here or there

 

>

 

> So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

 

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

>

 

> Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

 

> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

>

 

>  

 

> If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as

Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The

Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to

those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

 

>

 

> Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here..

 

>

 

> The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

 

>

 

> Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into

being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only

samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

 

>

 

> Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real

sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis

to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

 

>

 

> -VJ

 

> ============ ========= ==== ==

 

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over

jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

 

> >

 

> > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the

last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and

beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the

end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully

expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

 

> >

 

> > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and

soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though

in the beginning I did have my doubts!

 

> >

 

> > RR_,

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear All,

 

> > >

 

> > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no

one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone

responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to

understand the general mood..

 

> > >

 

> > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.

 

 

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

 

> > >

 

> > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

 

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > > Dear all,

 

> > >  

 

> > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying

attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone

take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that

in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and

learned things beyond just mere predictions.

 

> > >  

 

> > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain

quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we

are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge..

maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release..

like a wet sponge..:)

 

> > >  

 

> > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members

here that please continue with  your discussion, as even though

they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere

big) but the difference for sure!!

 

> > >  

 

> > > Thanks & regards,

 

> > > Rajesh

 

> > >

 

> > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > >

 

> > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about

jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from

their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the

ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we

know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor

astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of

wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part

of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well

intersections are all mostly variable in nature..These variations and the

factors are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable

if not total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have

to be considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has

wide ramifications on the

course

 

> of

 

> > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or

something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his

panchendriyas.  

 

> > >

 

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > >

 

> > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > PG <darshan261>

 

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > >

 

> > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

 

> > >

 

> > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to

learn more.

 

> > >

 

> > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> > >

 

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

 

> > >

 

> > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > Suresh jee,

 

> > >

 

> > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than

100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually

exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is.

 

> > >

 

> > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of

those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about

99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

 

> > >

 

> > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as

Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not

*asleep*.

 

> > >

 

> > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one

is responding or responding as we would want them to!

 

> > >

 

> > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from

Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a

beautiful pearl!

 

> > >

 

> > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

 

> > >

 

> > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

 

> > >

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > >

 

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

 

> > >

 

> > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge

of cosmic universe//

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > rightly said.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is

shear waste.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has

several.

 

> > >

 

> > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the

creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it

Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these

scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done

penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand

the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human

being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of

time.

 

> > >

 

> > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

 

> > >

 

> > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > >

 

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge

of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to

" time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to

vast distance from earth.is it so?

 

> > >

 

> > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead

any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will

only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. 

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >  

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > To All,

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > physical cosmology.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > -VJ

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > ============ ========= = ==

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > the same?

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > # yes it is same.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > have 60 names

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > # this is based on jupiter

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > the yuga.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > calculations of yugas.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚

ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the

direction of this discussion. Some of

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > 120 years).

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not

365.25) due to

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > other standards of measurement of time.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > stated in vedas).

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and

so on (these are

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚

However the mute point is the span

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya &

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚

" " One day of lord

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Brahma, the creator is

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > which may turn into

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > 1555200 billion years.''

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' .

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚

ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-)

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > RR

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > ....> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > Jee Baba,

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

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> > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard for

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > many jyotishis ;-)

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote:

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > Santosh Ji,

 

> > >

 

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> > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units.

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction

ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡ Man with Nature was

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and

 

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> > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification

 

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> > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry.

 

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> > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years

 

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> > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years

 

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> > >

 

> > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues.

 

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> > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our

 

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> > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature.

 

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> > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with

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> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

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> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

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> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

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> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

 

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> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

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> > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

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> > > > > > > Dear krishnan ji,

 

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> > > > > > > yes you are right. i have

anÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡ interesting thought.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > it is not a grand discovery but

neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ÃÂ\

¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > interesting.

 

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> > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly

 

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> > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation?

 

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> > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is increasing

 

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> > > > and is directly proportional to time.

 

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> > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration of

 

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> > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century.

 

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> > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the history

 

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> > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour

 

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> > > >

 

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> > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > sun also

commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\

‚¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'Ã\

ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡ adjusted .

 

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> > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and

 

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> > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth. but

 

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> > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means

 

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> > >

 

> > > >

theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\

…¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour

 

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> > > > day.

 

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> > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.

 

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> > > > could it be somehow related to this?

 

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> > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the earth

 

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> > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of a

 

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> > > > few years countable on our fingers....

 

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> > > > > > > santhosh

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

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> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

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> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

 

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> > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:53:09 PM

 

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> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

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> > > > > > > Santosh Ji

 

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> > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

 

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> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > been glorified through Yuga

Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚ÂÂ\

¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

‚¬Å¡ the understanding

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > presnt Yuga is referred to

asÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡ Kali Yuga Maha Purusha

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

 

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> > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering

 

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> > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the

 

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> > > > question was sharp and has something else to

unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬\

Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'âââ€\

šÂ¬Ã…¡

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

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> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

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> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

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> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡

 

> > >

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

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> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10> wrote:

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10>

 

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> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

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> > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:59 AM

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

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> > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

 

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> > > > year?

 

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> > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after

 

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> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

 

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> > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

 

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> > > > tradition/myth or as

perÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Ã\

…¡ purana when did the first yuga

 

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> > > > > > > santhosh

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

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> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

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> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

 

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> > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

 

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> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

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> > > > > > > Sir,

 

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> > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the

 

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> > >

 

> > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super

 

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> > > > Power is believed and trusted.

 

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> > > > > > > A meaningful approach

thatÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÆ\

’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In

 

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> > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work.

 

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> > > > > > > Every ordinary person that can understand " Brahma " ''Shristi " need

 

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> > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look

 

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> > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with

 

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> > > > the faith in superpower and to make an effort to reduce the burden that

 

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> > > > is carried of past karmas....

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

Those bewildered with so many things around him

 

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> > >

 

> > > > have only to be grateful to the God as an opportunity given to reform

 

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> > > > and develop.

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

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> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

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> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡

 

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> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk>

 

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> > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:28 AM

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

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> > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

 

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> > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows into

 

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> > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome in

 

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> > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

 

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> > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One creates

 

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> > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

 

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> > > > > > > Best wishes,

 

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> > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

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> > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

 

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> > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a philosophical

 

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> > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out

 

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> > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

 

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> > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

 

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> > > > > > > > realisation of ambitions or fulfilling the ideals.

 

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> > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their

 

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> > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma

 

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> > > > sankalp and

 

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> > > > > > > > it individual one can also think and make a meaningful creation

 

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> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

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> > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

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> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co.

 

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> > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>> wrote:

 

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> > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@ .co. uk

 

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> > > > > > > > <amitabh_ shastri%40. co.uk>>

 

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> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

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> > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > > > > > Cc: " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

 

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> > > > > > > > <tigresslill y2005%40. com>>

 

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> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > concentration,

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > imprinted deeply

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > With

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > universe with

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > of

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > the

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Saptarishi(7

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > since all

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body,

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > they are

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > to be son

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > Prakrti

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > with

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > that if

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > we also

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > that way

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

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By no means I was putting down Sanyasis, RR-Ji!! I think they have made

significant bit of contribution through history, starting from Big Daddy

SHANKAR_ACHARAYA..Infact, I adore them for the legacy they have left behind for

generations ahead!!

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> This is a very unfair assessment and conclusion, Lilly! Of Sanyaasis!!

>

> As long as one remains in the mortal body, we all carry our Burdens of Karma.

Sanyasi or Grihastha, each has a place in the Human Experience! Koi Bada naa

Chota!!

>

> I will leave it at that!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Grhasthi's never expel Sanyasis.. Sanyasis themselves leave the household as

they find this painstaking life of " RESPONSIBILITIES " - a big interference with

their personal mission, and goals in life!! Rather than performing their worldly

duties within the household, they head on out to free themselves..

> > But hey, anyone can remain pure while in the jungle since there is little

interference of Maya, and attractions of this world.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Though I don't to continue this discussion nor like it, couldn't help

writing this

> > >

> > > If grahasthas had the power to expell Sansyasis from " this " world, they

have found the right path.

> > >

> > > Sanyasis should thank the gentleman who discovered the power of

Grahasthas 

> > >

> > > After all that what they hope to achieve - to be be expelled from " this "

world

> > >  

> > > (no further comments from me on this)

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Santhosh <santhosh10@>

> > >

> > > Thu, January 28, 2010 3:31:32 PM

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > >

> > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as

special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for

moksha....

> > >

> > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed

out.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > >

> > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > >  

> > > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

> > >

> > > Very true

> > >

> > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or

at least from all internet fora.//

> > >

> > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

> > > whether they are expelled or accepted;

> > > whether they are rediculed or praised ;

> > > whether they are here or there

> > >

> > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > >

> > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > >  

> > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as

Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The

Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to

those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

> > >

> > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here.

> > >

> > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

> > >

> > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into

being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only

samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

> > >

> > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real

sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis

to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ========= ==== ==

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over

jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

> > > >

> > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over

the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings

and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in

the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully

expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

> > > >

> > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and

soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream

though in the beginning I did have my doubts!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows

who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds,

which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand

the general mood.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >  

> > > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying

attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone

take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that

in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and

learned things beyond just mere predictions.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate)

remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right

now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge..

maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release..

like a wet sponge..:)

> > > > >  

> > > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members

here that please continue with  your discussion, as even though they wont

realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but

the difference for sure!!

> > > > >  

> > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > Rajesh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about

jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from

their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the

ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we

know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor

astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of

wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part

of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well

intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors

are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not

total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be

considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide

ramifications on the course

> > > of

> > > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy

or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his

panchendriyas.  

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PG <darshan261>

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

> > > > >

> > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to

learn more.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more

than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those

actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or

comprehension is.

> > > > >

> > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth

of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue

about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being

Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet

but not *asleep*.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no

one is responding or responding as we would want them to!

> > > > >

> > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop

from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a

beautiful pearl!

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

> > > > >

> > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough

knowledge of cosmic universe//

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > rightly said.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time

spent is shear waste.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has

several.

> > > > >

> > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the

creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it

Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in

these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance

on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming

of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for

10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time.

> > > > >

> > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

> > > > >

> > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through

knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues

relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light

years due to vast distance from earth.is it so?

> > > > >

> > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not

lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues

will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. 

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > To All,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed

since

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture

of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time

and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but

lying

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or

may

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its

time

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > physical cosmology.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ============ ========= = ==

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita

are

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > the same?

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > # yes it is same.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make

60

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

and thus

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > have 60 names

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length

of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > the yuga.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita

are

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such

yugas

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his

own

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > calculations of yugas.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man

to

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

Can Control

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this

discussion. Some of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created

the

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens

in

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years

as

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings

to

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years

(not

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 120 years).

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not 365.25)

due to

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > other standards of measurement of time.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > stated in vedas).

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120

years. In

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many

allogories

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on

(these are

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute

point is the span

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the

Sandhya &

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of

the

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are

considered as

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time

bound

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One day

of lord

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Brahma, the creator is

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of

Sun

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > which may turn into

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.''

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72

mahayugas

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

Can Control

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-)

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

bursar_99@

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> > > > >

> > > > > > ....> wrote:

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jee Baba,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard

for

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> > > > > > many jyotishis ;-)

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Santosh Ji,

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> > > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to

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> > > > >

> > > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion

when

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> > > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction

ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

Man with Nature was

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many

things

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person.

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> > > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha

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> > > > >

> > > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power

to

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> > > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas.

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> > > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending

on

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> > > > >

> > > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from

verification

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> > > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry.

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> > > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5

years

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> > > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years

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> > > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues.

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> > > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of

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views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

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> > > > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to

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> > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

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> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final

outcome in

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> > > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

> > > > >

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> > > > > > destiny

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> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

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> > > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

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> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a

philosophical

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> > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

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> > > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

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> > > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

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> > > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

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> > > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

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Where is this so called " HOME " ...,I have been searching for such a long, long

time? I am getting old, and tired, so can you please show us the way RR Guru Ji?

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I think this BIPOLAR dichotomy of sanyaasi vs grihastha while often portrayed

as two sides of the coin of human experience is a bit unrealistic and a bit

deceiving. Lahiri Mahashaya, Thakur Paramahamsa and Gandhiji were

householders/Grihasthas in a sense but were also Sanyaasis!

>

> NOW PLEASE -- no one needs to get upset! Just because I have named these three

Mahatmaas in the same sentence should not be misinterpreted to imply that I am

EQUATING them in their spiritual or other attainments!

>

> Human experience is not Black and White! IT is GREY!! The sooner we all

realize and accept that, the sooner we can arrive back HOME! All of us prodigal

sons and daughters!! Ma is waiting & Baba should be back from His shopping any

time soon!! ;-)

>

> Respectfully submitted,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi..,

> > NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!

> > While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get

HIGH by living their everyday life in ghrihasti.

> >

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Desire is not the sole property of Grihasths

> > > Bairagya is not the sole possession of *Sanyasis*

> > >

> > > Life/Human Experience is not black and white! It is GREY!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > > >

> > > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted

as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire

for moksha....

> > > >

> > > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly

pointed out.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@>

> > > >

> > > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

> > > >

> > > > Very true

> > > >

> > > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world

or at least from all internet fora.//

> > > >

> > > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

> > > > whether they are expelled or accepted;

> > > > whether they are rediculed or praised ;

> > > > whether they are here or there

> > > >

> > > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > >

> > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA "

as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in

The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa

to those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

> > > >

> > > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here.

> > > >

> > > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

> > > >

> > > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came

into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is

only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

> > > >

> > > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real

sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis

to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ========= ==== ==

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all

over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

> > > > >

> > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me

over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful

beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some

think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so

beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

> > > > >

> > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet

and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream

though in the beginning I did have my doubts!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows

who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds,

which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand

the general mood.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying

attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone

take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that

in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and

learned things beyond just mere predictions.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate)

remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right

now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge..

maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release..

like a wet sponge..:)

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members

here that please continue with  your discussion, as even though they wont

realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but

the difference for sure!!

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > Rajesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know

about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get

inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care

to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to

jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from

ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that

evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in

the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of

movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in

nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the

jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super

power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary

that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course

> > > > of

> > > > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy

or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his

panchendriyas.  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PG <darshan261>

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need

to learn more.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not

more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those

actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or

comprehension is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth

of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue

about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being

Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet

but not *asleep*.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if

no one is responding or responding as we would want them to!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop

from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a

beautiful pearl!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough

knowledge of cosmic universe//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > rightly said.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time

spent is shear waste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has

several.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the

creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it

Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in

these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance

on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming

of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for

10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through

knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues

relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light

years due to vast distance from earth.is it so?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not

lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues

will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend

and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed

since

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and

texture of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with

time and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents

us

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We

visualize

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but

lying

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or

may

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its

time

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles

of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > physical cosmology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad

Bhagvadgita are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > the same?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > # yes it is same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas

make 60

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > have 60 names

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the

length of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > the yuga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad

Bhagvadgita are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such

yugas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his

own

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > calculations of yugas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of

Man to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

Can Control

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this

discussion. Some of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have

re-created the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that

happens in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human

years as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings

to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years

(not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 120 years).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not

365.25) due to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes

as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > stated in vedas).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120

years. In

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many

allogories

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on

(these are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute

point is the span

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the

Sandhya &

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

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> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of

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> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

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> > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5

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> > > > > > > presnt Yuga is referred to

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Hardly a Guruji, Betay let alone a Guru Wannabe!

 

Home is where SUKH is! Sukh is not happiness but contentment! You know enough

astrology to know that there is a house within the kundali that harbours the

HOME!

 

Be well!

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Where is this so called " HOME " ...,I have been searching for such a long, long

time? I am getting old, and tired, so can you please show us the way RR Guru Ji?

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I think this BIPOLAR dichotomy of sanyaasi vs grihastha while often

portrayed as two sides of the coin of human experience is a bit unrealistic and

a bit deceiving. Lahiri Mahashaya, Thakur Paramahamsa and Gandhiji were

householders/Grihasthas in a sense but were also Sanyaasis!

> >

> > NOW PLEASE -- no one needs to get upset! Just because I have named these

three Mahatmaas in the same sentence should not be misinterpreted to imply that

I am EQUATING them in their spiritual or other attainments!

> >

> > Human experience is not Black and White! IT is GREY!! The sooner we all

realize and accept that, the sooner we can arrive back HOME! All of us prodigal

sons and daughters!! Ma is waiting & Baba should be back from His shopping any

time soon!! ;-)

> >

> > Respectfully submitted,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi..,

> > > NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!

> > > While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get

HIGH by living their everyday life in ghrihasti.

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Desire is not the sole property of Grihasths

> > > > Bairagya is not the sole possession of *Sanyasis*

> > > >

> > > > Life/Human Experience is not black and white! It is GREY!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be

accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not

anything desire for moksha....

> > > > >

> > > > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly

pointed out.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

> > > > >

> > > > > Very true

> > > > >

> > > > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this

world or at least from all internet fora.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

> > > > > whether they are expelled or accepted;

> > > > > whether they are rediculed or praised ;

> > > > > whether they are here or there

> > > > >

> > > > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use

" DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited

it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of

sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am

here.

> > > > >

> > > > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came

into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is

only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real

sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis

to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ============ ========= ==== ==

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all

over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me

over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful

beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some

think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so

beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet

and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream

though in the beginning I did have my doubts!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows

who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds,

which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand

the general mood.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and

paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I

anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to

clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in

the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions.

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate)

remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right

now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge..

maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release..

like a wet sponge..:)

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members

here that please continue with  your discussion, as even though they wont

realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but

the difference for sure!!

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > > Rajesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know

about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get

inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care

to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to

jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from

ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that

evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in

the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of

movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in

nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the

jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super

power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary

that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of

ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense

 through his panchendriyas.  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PG <darshan261>

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need

to learn more.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not

more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those

actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or

comprehension is.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one

tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a

clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being

Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet

but not *asleep*.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even

if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop

from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a

beautiful pearl!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough

knowledge of cosmic universe//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rightly said.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time

spent is shear waste.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it

has several.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about

the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be

it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in

these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance

on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming

of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for

10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through

knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues

relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light

years due to vast distance from earth.is it so?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does

not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related

issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > To All,

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend

and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have

elapsed since

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas

(= " perceived

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with

seven

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> > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of

perceived

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and

texture of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with

time and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which

prevents us

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We

visualize

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in

a

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance

but lying

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away,

or may

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote

its time

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles

of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > physical cosmology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad

Bhagvadgita are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the same?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > # yes it is same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas

make 60

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > have 60 names

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the

length of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the yuga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad

Bhagvadgita are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such

yugas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of

his own

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > calculations of yugas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of

Man to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚

Wisemen Can Control

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of

this discussion. Some of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have

re-created the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that

happens in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human

years as

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which

brings to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years

(not

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 120 years).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not

365.25) due to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes

as

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > stated in vedas).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120

years. In

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many

allogories

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so

on (these are

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the

mute point is the span

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the

Sandhya &

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers

of the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are

considered as

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of

time bound

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One

day of lord

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Brahma, the creator is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the

age of Sun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > which may turn into

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence

for

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1555200 billion years.''

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72

mahayugas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚

Wisemen Can Control

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

bursar_99@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jee Baba,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Which SUKH? Are you talking about the bliss/ " AATHI INDRIYA SUKH " (happiness

beyond the senses, that the shastra's described of what Gopiya's had

experienced!!)..I guess one would have to be a gopi to know what that feels

like..

 

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Hardly a Guruji, Betay let alone a Guru Wannabe!

>

> Home is where SUKH is! Sukh is not happiness but contentment! You know enough

astrology to know that there is a house within the kundali that harbours the

HOME!

>

> Be well!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Where is this so called " HOME " ...,I have been searching for such a long,

long time? I am getting old, and tired, so can you please show us the way RR

Guru Ji?

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > I think this BIPOLAR dichotomy of sanyaasi vs grihastha while often

portrayed as two sides of the coin of human experience is a bit unrealistic and

a bit deceiving. Lahiri Mahashaya, Thakur Paramahamsa and Gandhiji were

householders/Grihasthas in a sense but were also Sanyaasis!

> > >

> > > NOW PLEASE -- no one needs to get upset! Just because I have named these

three Mahatmaas in the same sentence should not be misinterpreted to imply that

I am EQUATING them in their spiritual or other attainments!

> > >

> > > Human experience is not Black and White! IT is GREY!! The sooner we all

realize and accept that, the sooner we can arrive back HOME! All of us prodigal

sons and daughters!! Ma is waiting & Baba should be back from His shopping any

time soon!! ;-)

> > >

> > > Respectfully submitted,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi..,

> > > > NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!

> > > > While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get

HIGH by living their everyday life in ghrihasti.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Desire is not the sole property of Grihasths

> > > > > Bairagya is not the sole possession of *Sanyasis*

> > > > >

> > > > > Life/Human Experience is not black and white! It is GREY!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Suresh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be

accepted as special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not

anything desire for moksha....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly

pointed out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very true

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this

world or at least from all internet fora.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

> > > > > > whether they are expelled or accepted;

> > > > > > whether they are rediculed or praised ;

> > > > > > whether they are here or there

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use

" DADADA " as Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited

it in The Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of

sanyaasa to those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am

here.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came

into being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is

only samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis.

Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all

sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ============ ========= ==== ==

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all

over jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered

me over the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many

wonderful beings and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as

some think!) -- in the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh

jee so beautifully expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be

quiet and soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have

something inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited

dream though in the beginning I did have my doubts!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows

who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds,

which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand

the general mood.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.

 

> > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and

paying attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I

anyone take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to

clarify that in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in

the group and learned things beyond just mere predictions.

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member

participate) remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to

add.. maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and

soak the knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:)

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members

here that please continue with  your discussion, as even though they wont

realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but

the difference for sure!!

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > > > Rajesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know

about jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get

inspiration from their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care

to be in the ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to

jyotish.we know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from

ambiguity nor astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that

evolved out of wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in

the later part of the development of Astrology.certainit y of

movements,rotations as well intersections are all mostly variable in

nature.These variations and the factors are debated and analysed making the

jyotish issues more understandable if not total accuracy.The devinary,super

power/force wnd their impact too have to be considered.It is therefore necessary

that the subject is sensitive and has wide ramifications on the course

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of

ecstasy or something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense

 through his panchendriyas.  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PG <darshan261>

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I

need to learn more.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suresh jee,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not

more than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those

actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or

comprehension is.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one

tenth of those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a

clue about 99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being

Trojans as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet

but not *asleep*.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even

if no one is responding or responding as we would want them to!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the

dew-drop from Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and

turns into a beautiful pearl!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough

knowledge of cosmic universe//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rightly said.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the

time spent is shear waste.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it

has several.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about

the creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be

it Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned

in these scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done

penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand

the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human

being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of

time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through

knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues

relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light

years due to vast distance from earth.is it so?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does

not lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related

issues will only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >  

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to

coprehend and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have

elapsed since

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas

(= " perceived

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with

seven

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of

perceived

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and

texture of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with

time and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which

prevents us

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We

visualize

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths

in a

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance

but lying

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far

away, or may

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote

its time

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the

riddles of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > physical cosmology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad

Bhagvadgita are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the same?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > # yes it is same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such

yugas make 60

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > have 60 names

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > # this is based on jupiter

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the

length of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the yuga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad

Bhagvadgita are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12

such yugas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of

his own

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > calculations of yugas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty

of Man to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚

Wisemen Can Control

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of

this discussion. Some of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have

re-created the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that

happens in

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human

years as

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which

brings to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100

years (not

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 120 years).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not

365.25) due to

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > other standards of measurement of time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360

(spokes as

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > stated in vedas).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120

years. In

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many

allogories

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so

on (these are

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the

mute point is the span

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the

Sandhya &

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Members,

It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance.All expressions while in the course of understanding should reflect

the objectivity.

In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga.

Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views such

as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

Abbreviated/condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction?).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation/start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals and

are dharmic in understanding/approaches.

If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

" sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes,detachment and equanimity not to speak of

love(of parmount importance)

" one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as " thou

and thine'(not as I and as my will)

In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These issues

part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi..,

 

NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!

 

While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get HIGH by

living their everyday life in ghrihasti.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Desire is not the sole property of Grihasths

 

> Bairagya is not the sole possession of *Sanyasis*

 

>

 

> Life/Human Experience is not black and white! It is GREY!

 

>

 

> RR_,

 

>

 

> , Santhosh <santhosh10@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Suresh ji,

 

> >

 

> > it definitely matters to sanyaasis with desires...desire to be accepted as

special...desire to exhibit their abilities(if any)...if not anything desire for

moksha....

 

> >

 

> > yes for those without any desire it shouldnt matter as you rightly pointed

out.

 

> >

 

> > regards

 

> > santhosh

 

> >

 

> >  

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

> >

 

> > Thu, 28 January, 2010 3:26:58 PM

 

> > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> >

 

> >  

 

> > //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

 

> >

 

> > Very true

 

> >

 

> > //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or

at least from all internet fora.//

 

> >

 

> > Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

 

> > whether they are expelled or accepted;

 

> > whether they are rediculed or praised ;

 

> > whether they are here or there

 

> >

 

> > So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

 

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> >

 

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

> >

 

> > Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

 

> > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> >

 

> >  

 

> > If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as

Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The

Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to

those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

 

> >

 

> > Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here.

 

> >

 

> > The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

 

> >

 

> > Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into

being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only

samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

 

> >

 

> > Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real

sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis

to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

 

> >

 

> > -VJ

 

> > ============ ========= ==== ==

 

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

....> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over

jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

 

> > >

 

> > > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over

the last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings

and beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in

the end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully

expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

 

> > >

 

> > > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and

soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream

though in the beginning I did have my doubts!

 

> > >

 

> > > RR_,

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear All,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no

one knows who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone

responds, which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to

understand the general mood.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.

 

 

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > > >

 

> > > >  

 

> > > > Dear all,

 

> > > >  

 

> > > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying

attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone

take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that

in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and

learned things beyond just mere predictions.

 

> > > >  

 

> > > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate)

remain quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right

now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the

knowledge.. maybe with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to

release.. like a wet sponge..:)

 

> > > >  

 

> > > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members

here that please continue with  your discussion, as even though

they wont realise its making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere

big) but the difference for sure!!

 

> > > >  

 

> > > > Thanks & regards,

 

> > > > Rajesh

 

> > > >

 

> > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

 

> > > >

 

> > > >  

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about

jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from

their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the

ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we

know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor

astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of

wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part

of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well

intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors

are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not

total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be

considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide

ramifications on the

course

 

> > of

 

> > > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or

something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his

panchendriyas.  

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > > >

 

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > PG <darshan261>

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > >  

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to

learn more.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > >  

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Suresh jee,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more

than 100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those

actually exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or

comprehension is.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of

those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about

99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans

as Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not

*asleep*.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no

one is responding or responding as we would want them to!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from

Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a

beautiful pearl!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough

knowledge of cosmic universe//

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > rightly said.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent

is shear waste.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has

several.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the

creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it

Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these

scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done

penance on the banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand

the naming of Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human

being for 10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of

time.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through

knowledge of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues

relating to " time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light

years due to vast distance from earth.is it so?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not

lead any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues

will only annoy several members concerned with their

inquiries. 

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >  

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > To All,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed

since

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture

of

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time

and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but

lying

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > physical cosmology.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > -VJ

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > ============ ========= = ==

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita

are

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > the same?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > # yes it is same.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make

60

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and thus

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > have 60 names

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > # this is based on jupiter

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > the yuga.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita

are

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > calculations of yugas.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man

to

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚

ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'‚

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the

direction of this discussion. Some of

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created

the

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > 120 years).

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not

365.25) due to

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > other standards of measurement of time.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > stated in vedas).

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years.

In

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and

so on (these are

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚

However the mute point is the span

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya

&

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Shandyamsa of the yugas.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered

as

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time

bound

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚

" " One day of lord

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Brahma, the creator is

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of

Sun

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > which may turn into

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > a cold star, or that of the Universe, after being in existence for

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > 1555200 billion years.''

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72

mahayugas

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > of 43,20,000 years'' .

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚

ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'‚

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > > ÃÆ'‚

 

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> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-)

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

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> > > > > > RR

 

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> > > > > >

 

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> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

bursar_99@

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > ....> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Jee Baba,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > v go by NC Lahiri.O.K

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

KarmaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

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> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

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> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:10 PM

 

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> > > > > > > 5185 according to NC Lahiri which I beleive is the gold standard

for

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > many jyotishis ;-)

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > <bursar_99@ ...> wrote:

 

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> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Santosh Ji,

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion

when

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > decreases,it has impact space as measuting units.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Scientifically, interaction

ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÃÃ\

¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡ Man with Nature was

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > always tied with his explorations and development of tools.Today the

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power

to

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > over come death.While sayin si he refers to hatha Yogas.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending

on

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > and r subject to scietific inquiry.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > make one yuga and 12 yugas make 60 years referring 20 names of years

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > starting from Parabhava.The cycles continues.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Shristi is difficult to coprehens and brahma is beyong our

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > imagination. . need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with

views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒÆ’…¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

 

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> > > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚Â\

¬Ã…¡

 

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ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãââ\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

Wisemen Can Control Them "

 

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> > > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

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‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:46 AM

 

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> > > > > it is not a grand discovery but

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> > > > > > > > Did you know that the tidal friction caused by moon is slowly

 

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> > > > > reducing the earth's rate of rotation?

 

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> > > > > > > > This implies that the duration of time of earth day is

increasing

 

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> > > > > and is directly proportional to time.

 

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> > > > > > > > This has been astronomically worked out to increase in duration

of

 

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> > > > > day by about 1.8 x 10 (to the power of -3) seconds per century..

 

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> > > > > > > > if we do some maths we can find that at some period in the

history

 

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> > > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour

 

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> > > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve

around

 

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> > > > > sun also

commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚Ã\

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> > > > > > > > now according to discover channel, national geographic and

 

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> > > > > theoritical science, during this period there was no life on earth.

but

 

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> > > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means

 

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theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ã\

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> > > > > years calculating at the current astro rate of 120 years for a 24 hour

 

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> > > > > > > > we have read that our seers used to live for hundreds of years.

 

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> > > > > could it be somehow related to this?

 

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> > > > > > > > this also means that in some long distance future, when the

earth

 

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> > > > > takes a long long time to complete one day, our age may be in terms of

a

 

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> > > > > few years countable on our fingers....

 

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> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

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> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

 

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> > > > > been glorified through Yuga

Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚ÂÂ\

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> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Dear Krishnanji,

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > The root for Brahma is " brih " meaning 'to grow'. A seed grows

into

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > a

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > tree; thoughts grow into action - fruit being the final outcome

in

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > both

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > cases.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

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> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Of course, so thin is the dividing line between free will and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > destiny

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > that it is not easy to differentiate between the two. One

creates

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > new

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > karma while the other is the result of previous karma.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > On 1/22/2010 12:12 AM, Vattem Krishnan wrote:

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Shastri Ji

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Infact you have given life to the thread.Infact a

philosophical

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > issue

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > when considered as relevant to astral level,it changes the out

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > look.

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > and meaning of this topic.Kudos Sir,

 

> > > >

 

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> > > >

 

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> > > > > > > > > This is exactly we find find free will to operate. The Astral

 

> > > >

 

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> > > > > level

 

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is

 

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> > > > > > > > > That is how the story of Infosys,Reliance and Tata. Their

 

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realise

 

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> > > > > > > > > The creation of universe in a metaphorical sense is brahma

 

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> > > > > sankalp and

 

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creation

 

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> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

 

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> > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri@

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> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > " A thought held in your imagination, with focus and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > concentration,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > backed by the force of your will and desire will become

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > imprinted deeply

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > on your sub-conscious mind and take form on the astral level.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > With

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till

it

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > universe with

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the

process

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > of

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > the

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Saptarishi(7

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > since all

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than

body,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > they are

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > to be son

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known

as

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Prakrti

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up

well

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > with

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > that if

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > we also

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't

live

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > that way

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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Dear Krishnan Ji,

 

Nasha Hai Sab Pe Magar Rang Nashe Ka Hai Juda

Khili Khili Hui Subah Pe Hai Shabnam Ka Nasha

Hava Pe Khushboo Ka Badal Pe Hai Rimjhim Ka Nasha

Kahin Suroor Hai Khushiyon Ka Kahin Gham Ka Nasha

Nasha Sharaab Mein Hota To Nachti Botal

Maikade Jhoomte Paimaanon Mein Hoti Hulchul

Nasha Sharaab Mein Hota To Naachti Botal

Nashe Mein Kaun Nahin Hai Mujhe Bataao Zara 

 Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

 

Fri, 29 January, 2010 4:30:50 PM

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

 

Dear Members,

It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance. All expressions while in the course of understanding should

reflect the objectivity.

In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga.

Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views such

as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

Abbreviated/ condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction? ).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation /start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals and

are dharmic in understanding/ approaches.

If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

" sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes, detachment and equanimity not to speak

of love(of parmount importance)

" one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as " thou

and thine'(not as I and as my will)

In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These issues

part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:27 PM

 

 

 

Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi..,

 

NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!

 

While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get HIGH by

living their everyday life in ghrihasti.

 

Lilly

 

 

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I have always been blamed for bringing too much real life into Jyotish but I

have never felt guilty for doing so!

 

What would be the utility of Jyotish if it were dissected -- as it has been done

from time to time in the past or even in modern times -- from worldly life: The

reality of the householder?

 

Jyotish, while written and channeled by Sages of YORE was really for the

HOUSEHOLDER who till today asks questions about ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA

and MAKAN when they approach the JYOTISHI GURUJEES! ;-)

 

Once in a while a request comes asking about Ishta devta and how to use one's

chart to become a vairagee, but almost invariably there is a between the lines

quest or question in such requests that hint at residual

householder/Grihasta-Samsarik desires that *linger-on* ...!

 

Look at most of the scriptures who you all believe in, religiously, I suppose!

They are full of very worldly and samsarik combinations and advice, right down

to the GIFT OF PARASHARA TO KALIYUGIS: Ashtakavarga! With the 'variation'

introduced by Varahamihira which was the first hint for me that even back then

REALITY was not UNIFORM or Black and White but very very GREY! Just like today!!

;-)

 

There is no PURE JYOTISH for in order for Jyotish to have any value, any

vitality, it must get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!

 

There is no point in hiding or running away from LIFE, while still remaining

worldly -- despite all claims and promises made to oneself, for no matter why or

what!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance.All expressions while in the course of understanding should reflect

the objectivity.

> In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga.

> Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views

such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

> Abbreviated/condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction?).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation/start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

> Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals and

are dharmic in understanding/approaches.

> If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

> " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes,detachment and equanimity not to speak

of love(of parmount importance)

> " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as " thou

and thine'(not as I and as my will)

> In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These

issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> ...

 

<Rest brutally deleted in conformation to Prashant_DaDa's command!>

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Dear respected Gurujan,

English as a european form of languages always misleads and it looks exaggerated

in cyber media due to lack of personal touch.

There are senior members fluent in expression and have the art to convey

successfully very basic issues ina coveted manner.For all of the I myself stand

in respect and say hats off them.never they should feel they r

misunderstood.Personally i do not also accommodate the thought/view throwing mud

and taking views at personal levels.All of you with vast knowledge and years of

exposure in jyotish and ability to express and make understand to benift lay man

should be taken contrarily.Yhe time spared and efforts made in long way benifits

divine science as well those big hearts that have given opportunity to interacts

in unfloding the facts relating to vedangas.

v r very much fascinated for questions that helps for quality life.of course

certainly this involves philosophy of life and in the process v have no option

except to agree or contradict the versions of sages stories relating to divine

light.

I do not think v should feel any kind of aversion for taking questions relating

to: ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA and MAKAN

what however  one shold feel comfortable in raising questions and help those

who r really have some belief in jyotish and the guidance provided is taken in

right perspective.

It is also beyond any doubt some air views and camaflouge intentions and do

NOT(must) get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!,instead comparing with

counter parts elese where and even some times disrespecting certain respected

traditions as they are beliefs(good or bad but trusted).

Lot of accolades,,honor and respect is endorsed for versatile senior members who

do not flinch or mince words and convey their views.It looks these advices from

such respected members get deflated and their efforts to make understand get

belittled as they receprocate and do not hesitate to to go tangent and in an

unconnected references./feed backs.This public forum respects all views and more

when they help in improving life standards.

I agree to the problems in the media of internet,and also the base (differences

in eastren,westren and evolved cultures else where etc) .

I am firmly of the view that the discussions in a healthy way are always held in

high esteem and certainly I can never think of my  intimate senior member whom

always I respect as a elder brother (to address in any language).He is ofcourse

a jewel in any group/forum/platform.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

Friday, January 29, 2010, 6:30 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have always been blamed for bringing too much real life into Jyotish but

I have never felt guilty for doing so!

 

 

 

What would be the utility of Jyotish if it were dissected -- as it has been done

from time to time in the past or even in modern times -- from worldly life: The

reality of the householder?

 

 

 

Jyotish, while written and channeled by Sages of YORE was really for the

HOUSEHOLDER who till today asks questions about ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA

and MAKAN when they approach the JYOTISHI GURUJEES! ;-)

 

 

 

Once in a while a request comes asking about Ishta devta and how to use one's

chart to become a vairagee, but almost invariably there is a between the lines

quest or question in such requests that hint at residual householder/ Grihasta-

Samsarik desires that *linger-on* ...!

 

 

 

Look at most of the scriptures who you all believe in, religiously, I suppose!

They are full of very worldly and samsarik combinations and advice, right down

to the GIFT OF PARASHARA TO KALIYUGIS: Ashtakavarga! With the 'variation'

introduced by Varahamihira which was the first hint for me that even back then

REALITY was not UNIFORM or Black and White but very very GREY! Just like today!!

;-)

 

 

 

There is no PURE JYOTISH for in order for Jyotish to have any value, any

vitality, it must get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!

 

 

 

There is no point in hiding or running away from LIFE, while still remaining

worldly -- despite all claims and promises made to oneself, for no matter why or

what!

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Members,

 

> It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance. All expressions while in the course of understanding should

reflect the objectivity.

 

> In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga.

 

> Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views

such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

 

> Abbreviated/ condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction? ).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation /start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

 

> Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals and

are dharmic in understanding/ approaches.

 

> If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

 

> " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes, detachment and equanimity not to speak

of love(of parmount importance)

 

> " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as " thou

and thine'(not as I and as my will)

 

> In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These

issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

 

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

> ...

 

 

 

<Rest brutally deleted in conformation to Prashant_DaDa' s command!>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Kulbir Ji,

Ish duniya hai do tarike ka log

ek hai Bhagawan

 aur doosre hai Bhakat.

yeh jo mamla,duniya ka reeti

Bhagawan jane kaunsa nashile hai

aut bhakt kis nashe se bhagwan ke krupa paskte hai

Bhakt aur bhagawan ke reeti alag

jo sadharan log se atteet hai yeh shrishti

yeh ek bhagawan ke rachana

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

 

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

Friday, January 29, 2010, 6:18 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishnan Ji,

 

 

 

Nasha Hai Sab Pe Magar Rang Nashe Ka Hai Juda

 

Khili Khili Hui Subah Pe Hai Shabnam Ka Nasha

 

Hava Pe Khushboo Ka Badal Pe Hai Rimjhim Ka Nasha

 

Kahin Suroor Hai Khushiyon Ka Kahin Gham Ka Nasha

 

Nasha Sharaab Mein Hota To Nachti Botal

 

Maikade Jhoomte Paimaanon Mein Hoti Hulchul

 

Nasha Sharaab Mein Hota To Naachti Botal

 

Nashe Mein Kaun Nahin Hai Mujhe Bataao Zara 

 

 Regards

 

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

 

 

Fri, 29 January, 2010 4:30:50 PM

 

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance. All expressions while in the course of understanding should

reflect the objectivity.

 

In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga..

 

Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views such

as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

 

Abbreviated/ condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction? ).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation /start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

 

Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals and

are dharmic in understanding/ approaches.

 

If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

 

" sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes, detachment and equanimity not to speak

of love(of parmount importance)

 

" one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as " thou

and thine'(not as I and as my will)

 

In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These issues

part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

 

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

 

 

 

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:27 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi..,

 

 

 

NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!

 

 

 

While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get HIGH by

living their everyday life in ghrihasti.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

 

 

 

 

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Krishnan jee,

 

Please read this posting/response carefully! ;-)

 

If MA (Sanskrit) was all I needed, why would She not educate us all at home but

rather send us to School?

 

Did you receive some/all of your education at home or in various schools? Please

be direct and honest when you respond, this time in this european language that

this forum has willingly embraced ;-)

 

It is NEVER the language that makes one feel foreign but the ACCENT! ;-)

 

Someday you will get it, Bhai-Saheb. Sooner or later!

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear respected Gurujan,

> English as a european form of languages always misleads and it looks

exaggerated in cyber media due to lack of personal touch.

> There are senior members fluent in expression and have the art to convey

successfully very basic issues ina coveted manner.For all of the I myself stand

in respect and say hats off them.never they should feel they r

misunderstood.Personally i do not also accommodate the thought/view throwing mud

and taking views at personal levels.All of you with vast knowledge and years of

exposure in jyotish and ability to express and make understand to benift lay man

should be taken contrarily.Yhe time spared and efforts made in long way benifits

divine science as well those big hearts that have given opportunity to interacts

in unfloding the facts relating to vedangas.

> v r very much fascinated for questions that helps for quality life.of course

certainly this involves philosophy of life and in the process v have no option

except to agree or contradict the versions of sages stories relating to divine

light.

> I do not think v should feel any kind of aversion for taking questions

relating to: ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA and MAKAN

> what however  one shold feel comfortable in raising questions and help those

who r really have some belief in jyotish and the guidance provided is taken in

right perspective.

> It is also beyond any doubt some air views and camaflouge intentions and do

NOT(must) get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!,instead comparing with

counter parts elese where and even some times disrespecting certain respected

traditions as they are beliefs(good or bad but trusted).

> Lot of accolades,,honor and respect is endorsed for versatile senior members

who do not flinch or mince words and convey their views.It looks these advices

from such respected members get deflated and their efforts to make understand

get belittled as they receprocate and do not hesitate to to go tangent and in an

unconnected references./feed backs.This public forum respects all views and more

when they help in improving life standards.

> I agree to the problems in the media of internet,and also the base

(differences in eastren,westren and evolved cultures else where etc) .

> I am firmly of the view that the discussions in a healthy way are always held

in high esteem and certainly I can never think of my  intimate senior member

whom always I respect as a elder brother (to address in any language).He is

ofcourse a jewel in any group/forum/platform.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Fri, 1/29/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

>

> Friday, January 29, 2010, 6:30 PM

>

 

>

>

>

I have always been blamed for bringing too much real life into Jyotish

but I have never felt guilty for doing so!

>

>

>

> What would be the utility of Jyotish if it were dissected -- as it has been

done from time to time in the past or even in modern times -- from worldly life:

The reality of the householder?

>

>

>

> Jyotish, while written and channeled by Sages of YORE was really for the

HOUSEHOLDER who till today asks questions about ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA

and MAKAN when they approach the JYOTISHI GURUJEES! ;-)

>

>

>

> Once in a while a request comes asking about Ishta devta and how to use one's

chart to become a vairagee, but almost invariably there is a between the lines

quest or question in such requests that hint at residual householder/ Grihasta-

Samsarik desires that *linger-on* ...!

>

>

>

> Look at most of the scriptures who you all believe in, religiously, I suppose!

They are full of very worldly and samsarik combinations and advice, right down

to the GIFT OF PARASHARA TO KALIYUGIS: Ashtakavarga! With the 'variation'

introduced by Varahamihira which was the first hint for me that even back then

REALITY was not UNIFORM or Black and White but very very GREY! Just like today!!

;-)

>

>

>

> There is no PURE JYOTISH for in order for Jyotish to have any value, any

vitality, it must get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!

>

>

>

> There is no point in hiding or running away from LIFE, while still remaining

worldly -- despite all claims and promises made to oneself, for no matter why or

what!

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Members,

>

> > It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance. All expressions while in the course of understanding should

reflect the objectivity.

>

> > In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga.

>

> > Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views

such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

>

> > Abbreviated/ condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction? ).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation /start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

>

> > Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals

and are dharmic in understanding/ approaches.

>

> > If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

>

> > " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes, detachment and equanimity not to

speak of love(of parmount importance)

>

> > " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as "

thou and thine'(not as I and as my will)

>

> > In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These

issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

>

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> > ...

>

>

>

> <Rest brutally deleted in conformation to Prashant_DaDa' s command!>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Krishnan_Dada,

 

You are almost there ... Bhai!

 

If a product of East Bengal could -- I AM SURE ALL Indians can, some with

perhaps needing a bit more effort and love and surrender -- BUT, no matter who

or how the world chose to DIVIDE Bharatvasis, and them from their brethren!

 

Moti sab chahtay hain

Pyaar saab maangtay hain

Seepie say poocho Kya usnay SAHAA...

MA say poocho kyaa usnay SAHAA...

EK MOTI ugaanay kay liyay...

EK TOHFAA UN-HAY deynay kay liyay...!

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Kulbir Ji,

> Ish duniya hai do tarike ka log

> ek hai Bhagawan

>  aur doosre hai Bhakat.

> yeh jo mamla,duniya ka reeti

> Bhagawan jane kaunsa nashile hai

> aut bhakt kis nashe se bhagwan ke krupa paskte hai

> Bhakt aur bhagawan ke reeti alag

> jo sadharan log se atteet hai yeh shrishti

> yeh ek bhagawan ke rachana

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb

> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

>

> Friday, January 29, 2010, 6:18 AM

>

 

>

>

>

Dear Krishnan Ji,

>

>

>

> Nasha Hai Sab Pe Magar Rang Nashe Ka Hai Juda

>

> Khili Khili Hui Subah Pe Hai Shabnam Ka Nasha

>

> Hava Pe Khushboo Ka Badal Pe Hai Rimjhim Ka Nasha

>

> Kahin Suroor Hai Khushiyon Ka Kahin Gham Ka Nasha

>

> Nasha Sharaab Mein Hota To Nachti Botal

>

> Maikade Jhoomte Paimaanon Mein Hoti Hulchul

>

> Nasha Sharaab Mein Hota To Naachti Botal

>

> Nashe Mein Kaun Nahin Hai Mujhe Bataao Zara 

>

>  Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

>

>

> Fri, 29 January, 2010 4:30:50 PM

>

> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

>

>

>

>  

>

> Dear Members,

>

> It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance. All expressions while in the course of understanding should

reflect the objectivity.

>

> In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga..

>

> Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views

such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

>

> Abbreviated/ condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction? ).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation /start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

>

> Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals and

are dharmic in understanding/ approaches.

>

> If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

>

> " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes, detachment and equanimity not to speak

of love(of parmount importance)

>

> " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as " thou

and thine'(not as I and as my will)

>

> In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These

issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

>

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> Sanyasi Hoi Yaa Grihasthi..,

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> NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!

>

>

>

> While some get intoxicated from variety of substances, others simply get HIGH

by living their everyday life in ghrihasti.

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OK Suresh Ji, I am leaving this forum.

 

-Vinay Jha

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> //Real sanyaasis do not entertain such desires//

>

> Very true

>

> //But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis to be expelled from this world or at

least from all internet fora.//

>

> Why should it matter for the " real sanyasis " ? -

> whether they are expelled or accepted;

> whether they are rediculed or praised ;

> whether they are here or there

>

> So it is not very difficult to see who they are up against.

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> VJha <vinayjhaa16

>

> Thu, January 28, 2010 2:30:02 PM

> Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

>

>  

> If single " DA " or double " DADA " does not suffice, I should use " DADADA " as

Brahmaa Ji uttered in Brihadaranyaka Upanishada (TS Eliot also cited it in The

Waste Land : DATTA DAMYATA DAYADHVAMA), which will show the path of sanyaasa to

those who rejoice in poking fun at it.

>

> Serious topics are reduced to comedy and farce. I wonder why I am here.

>

> The title of threads often bear no relation with the matters being

" discussed " .

>

> Brahmaa Ji was satya-samkalpa, which means whatever He imagined came into

being. His sam-kalpa gave rise to Kalpa. Chhaandogya Upanishada says Man is only

samkalpa and therefore Man must do (right) samkalpa. Unfortunately, topics

pertaining to samkalpa of Brahmaa Ji are reduced to farce.

>

> Some people think sanyaasis are infected by desire for upaadhis. Real

sanyaasis do not entertain such desires. But some grihasthas want all sanyaasis

to be expelled from this world or at least from all internet fora.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= ==== ==

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shenoy_dada (I think there is a 'dada-infection' going on all over

jyotish forum! Even Sanyaasis are getting infected! :-)),

> >

> > The concerns that you expressed, and frankly those have bothered me over the

last 2-3 decades that I have enjoyed the company of so many wonderful beings and

beasts too (I will hardly call that as a waste of time as some think!) -- in the

end it was really about the wish-the belief that Rajesh jee so beautifully

expressed. Quoted from the horse's mouth:

> >

> > " ... maybe right now we are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quiet and

soak the knowledge.. maybe in due course of time.. we might have something

inside to release.. like a wet sponge..:) "

> >

> >

> > [[THANK YOU RAJESH-JI!]] . I assure you it is not an unlimited dream though

in the beginning I did have my doubts!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > It is very nice to know that there are members who are very much

interested in dicussions. The problem with Internet is that no one knows

who is realy interested, who are casual, sarcastic etc unless someone responds,

which in an audiance, there is face to face interaction and easy to understand

the general mood.

> > >

> > > Thanks to all those who responded with encouraging words.  

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds@ >

> > >

> > > Wed, January 27, 2010 11:50:22 AM

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear all,

> > >  

> > > Present sir!! like a disciplined students we are " quiet " and paying

attention to what our learned teachers are sharing with us. And before I anyone

take my good hearted above written remark in wrong sense, I need to clarify that

in all seriousness that its a pleasure to read the discussions in the group and

learned things beyond just mere predictions.

> > >  

> > > Members like me (ok you can call us spectator, member participate) remain

quite because most of the time we dont have anything to add.. maybe right now we

are like a dry sponge.. its time to be quite and soak the knowledge.. maybe

with due to course of time.. we might have something inside to release.. like a

wet sponge..:)

> > >  

> > > in the end, just wanted to request to the learned members here that

please continue with  your discussion, as even though they wont realise its

making a noticable difference (somwhere small.. somehere big) but the difference

for sure!!

> > >  

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > > Rajesh

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:41 AM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Sir,We need members like Shri Ashok Ji,who have interest to know about

jyotish are doing a great service to the vedic Science as v get inspiration from

their approach as well interest.V need caution as well as care to be in the

ambit of the divine and deliberate those issues having relevance to jyotish.we

know application of cosmic effects on humanity is not free from ambiguity nor

astrology as a science or as a faith.This field of studies that evolved out of

wisdom has a classical base how ever consistent in consistent in the later part

of the development of Astrology.certainit y of movements,rotations as well

intersections are all mostly variable in nature.These variations and the factors

are debated and analysed making the jyotish issues more understandable if not

total accuracy.The devinary,super power/force wnd their impact too have to be

considered.It is therefore necessary that the subject is sensitive and has wide

ramifications on the course

> of

> > > life.When ever I recite " Purusha Sooktam " I get a feeling of ecstasy or

something around is brighter than what is able to see/sense  through his

panchendriyas.  

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, PG <darshan261> wrote:

> > >

> > > PG <darshan261>

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:51 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Dear sir: i am one of those quite participant because I am not

knowleageable enough of teh topic of Jyotish. I am however interested in the

discussion, learn some what about Jyotish but to a great extent about the human

nature , frailties and form time toi time very logical responses to issues which

most of us face.

> > >

> > > One of these days I will contribute to the group discussion I need to

learn more.

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > >

> > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:27 PM

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > > Suresh jee,

> > >

> > > Look at the facts. This forum has 10000+ members and perhaps not more than

100 of those speak or write and so we do not know how many of those actually

exist (or pay attention) or what their level of attention or comprehension is.

> > >

> > > 100 (arbitrary number) out of 10000 is 1%. Even if we know one tenth of

those somewhat better (the 10 or twenty regulars), we do not have a clue about

99% that are supposed to exist on this forum!

> > >

> > > Even if half of those are multiple subscriptions and some being Trojans as

Kumar jee calls them, there are at least 5000 people who may be quiet but not

*asleep*.

> > >

> > > It is, therefore, worthwhile to keep posting SERIOUS TOPICS even if no one

is responding or responding as we would want them to!

> > >

> > > Who knows if a posting here, or there may prove to be the dew-drop from

Swati nakshatra that falls in the open mouth of an oyster and turns into a

beautiful pearl!

> > >

> > > Hope sustains life while cynicism destroys the soul!

> > >

> > > Submitted respectfully -- for consideration. ..

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

<sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > > //These meta physical issues need full attention and thorough knowledge

of cosmic universe//

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > rightly said.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > However it needs a serious audience as well. otherwise the time spent is

shear waste.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > What we percieve as " time " is only its one dimension while it has

several.

> > >

> > > > What we know about the time / days / years in our terms about the

creation of this universe is what is already written in our scriptures, be it

Indian or mayan or any other legends. However, in comparison with modern

science, our scriptures seems to be more in concurrence.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > There are many other standards or dimension that is mentioned in these

scriptures. for ex: the Sage Kardama is said to have done penance on the

banks of Saraswathi river for 10,000 years. Though on one hand the naming of

Saraswathi river seems not too long past, doing penance by a human being for

10,000 years is surely something different from our perspection of time.

> > >

> > > > " prajaah srijeti bhagavaan kardamo brahmanoditah

> > >

> > > > saraswastyaam tapastepe sahasraanaam samaa dasha "  

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Curious minds can dwell further.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 10:38:36 PM

> > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >  

> > >

> > > > Sir,These meta physical issues need full attention and through knowledge

of cosmic universe.In your message you have also brought out issues relating to

" time and space " .Perhaps v need also to count in terms of light years due to

vast distance from earth.is it so?

> > >

> > > > I think such issues of complexity as a general discussion does not lead

any one to logical means.More Over JR to digress from it's related issues will

only annoy several members concerned with their inquiries. 

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > >

> > > > Re: Brahma ke Samkalpa se Kalpa Banaa

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >  

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To All,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Ji is right : " Shristi is difficult to coprehend and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Brahma is beyong our imagination. .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > need to admit our ignoarance for many facts of nature. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > According to traditional reckoning, 1955885110 years have elapsed since

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the beginning of Shrishti, and there are seven lokas (= " perceived

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > worlds " ). Hence, we can perceive 1955885110 multiplied with seven

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > light-years (= 13.7 light years) which is the extent of perceived

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > universe (actually a multiverse). So complex is the woof and texture of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > space-time that sometimes we confuse a dimension of space with time and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vice versa. Another problem is curvature of space, which prevents us

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > from figuring out the actual geometrics of the Cosmos. We visualize

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > things in line of sight while things exist along curved paths in a

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > gravitational field. Thus, a galaxy at a small linear distance but lying

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > along another end of a curved space will appear to be far away, or may

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > even be hidden and appear as dark matter.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > There are many similar complexities. I think JR should devote its time

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to astrological problems at hand, instead of solving the riddles of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > physical cosmology.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ============ ========= = ==

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the same?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > # yes it is same.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas make 60

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > years.So we have each year names after as Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚ and

thus

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > have 60 names

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > # this is based on jupiter

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@ .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Tue, January 26, 2010 5:53:57 PM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > ..Well cited as Shri Santosh Ji wanted to know what is the length of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the yuga.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > The Yuga as defined in Surya Siddhnata and in Sreemad Bhagvadgita are

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the same?Some where we also consider 5 years as yuga and 12 such yugas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > make 60 years.So we have each year names after as

Prbhava,VibhavaÃÆ'‚

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > and thus have 60 names.Sripati also had come out with some of his own

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > calculations of yugas.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > I think this thread is basically is to assess,the capabilty of Man to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > make a unvers of his own with his wisdom?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can

Control

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:23 AM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > IÃÆ'‚ am not sureÃÆ'‚ about the direction of this

discussion. Some of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > these had been well presented before here by vinay jha also.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Yet, this may or may not be usefull to this discussion.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > The present kalpa which the brahma is believed to have re-created the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > universe and the yuga division is as follows

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Sathyayuga 4800 celestial years or 17,28,000 human years

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Treta yuga is 3600 celestial years or 12,96,000 human years

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dwapara yuga is 2400 celestial years or 8,64,000 human years

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Kali yuga is 1200 clestial years or 4,32,000 human years.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > What is to noted is the years of Sandhya & Sanhyamsa that happens in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > between these yugas which is said to be 100 celestial years

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > " sandhyamshayoranta reNa yah kaalaH shatasaMkhyayoH "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > This means kali yuga had 100 celestial years of 36000 human years as

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sandhya . So 1200 -200 is the actual span of Kaliyuga which brings to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > another factor. Length of Human life which is given as 100 years (not

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 120 years).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > " samvasarashataM nriNaam paramaayurniruupita m " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > here is the days of yearsÃÆ'‚ is taken as 360 (not 365.25) due

to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > other standards of measurement of time.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > The whole span of yugas is based on this number of 360 (spokes as

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > stated in vedas).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > The above is from Sremad bhagavatha.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > This brings us to another question on Vimshottari dasa - 120 years. In

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > fact the Rasi chakra is 120 X 3 = 360 years. These has many allogories

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > like the three worlds : bhu- bhav-svar lokasÃÆ'‚ and so on (these

are

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > well crafted intoÃÆ'‚ " time " ).ÃÆ'‚ However the mute point

is the span

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > of human life of 100 years and the 10 + 10 could relate to the Sandhya &

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> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

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> > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 11:01:59 PM

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> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini Da,Santosh Ji and others,Some more pointers of the

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> > > > yugas also come from our Dharma sastras.These fifgures are considered as

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> > > > consistent.our base is what is quoted.Units of measurement of time bound

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> > > > to differ.More so when v think of ages passed.ÃÆ'‚ " " One day of

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> > > > Brahma, the creator is

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> > > > > 4,3200,000,000 (4.32 billion years)tThis could indicate the age of Sun

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> > > > > '' the life of lord Brahma are over and we are in the 51st

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> > > > > year. One day of Brahmaji has 24 manus and each manu has 72 mahayugas

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> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

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> > > > B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can

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> > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

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> > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > Sunday, January 24, 2010, 2:04 PM

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> > > > > ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > > But your value was 74 years less than what NCL gave :-)

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> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan bursar_99@

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> > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen

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> > > > Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans

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> > > > > > > " The time of the day " (sun rise to Sunset) always varies due to

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> > > > chhnage in solictices.This apart scientifically the earth roataion when

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ofÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

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> > > > pace of technology has increased many folds to understand many things

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> > > > which has a serious impact on the 8th house of ant person.

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> > > > > > > Your question earlier has compelled to go through Sarvardha

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> > > > Chintamani.. As per prof Rao man has lived even more than 1000

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> > > > years.This according to him was possible due to the Yogas.It is

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> > > > interesting to refer to Mooni Yogas,where Man can have immense power to

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> > > > > > > Most of the Seers,Maunivaryas lived in the Nature by depending on

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> > > > nature alone.It appears that even 'sun rays' when falls on man his

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> > > > hunger also get reduced without taking consuming solids and

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> > > > liquids.These facts available in litterature are far from verification

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> > > > > > > Now 5111 year is going in kaliyuga.According to Sripati 5 years

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> > > > > > > A good explanation and I concur with

views.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\

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WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

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> > > > it is not a grand discovery but

neverthelessÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\

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> > > > of earth, 2x10(to the power of 9) years ago, earth would have a 5 hour

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> > > > day instead of the present 24 hours with the time take to revolve around

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> > > > sun also

commensuratelyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\

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> > > > if there was life and if man existed then, a 5 hour day means

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theÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡ maximum age of man would have been more than 500

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> > > > > > > If itihasas is any source of Knowledge,it is only after Vaman

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> > > > Avatara,the begining of Yuga?But in terms of years,i do not want to

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> > > > guess.Since Dwapara Yuga and Treta Yuga brought out in Itihasas have

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> > > > been glorified through Yuga

Purushas,ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'\

‚ the understanding

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> > > > to mankind of these is specific.Where as Kali Yuga referred as the

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> > >

> > > > presnt Yuga is referred to

asÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚

Kali Yuga Maha Purusha

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> > > > Lord of SEven Hills-Lord Venkateswara

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> > > > > > > The rest,I have to count on Narada Samhita for answering

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> > > > precisely.may be a an issue to look forward from collective as the

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> > > > question was sharp and has something else to

unfold.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\

€š

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> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\

¬Å¡

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> > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji,

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> > > > > > > can you tell me when was this first yuga running in terms of earth

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> > > > > > > i have a specific reason to ask this. i will get back to you after

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> > > > i know the above answer either from you or anybody else in the forum.

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> > > > > > > i am asking for any proof for it. i would just like to know as per

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> > > > tradition/myth or as

perÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\

¡ purana when did the first yuga

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> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 >

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> > > > > > > Sat, 23 January, 2010 3:11:16 PM

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> > > > > > > Re: Brahma ki sankalpo se shristi rachi

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> > > > > > > Transitional issues known through ''Yugas " have to be seen that

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> > > > every person born is guided properly and the bad or evil that troubles

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> > > > and compels humans are not left at the mercy of unknown/evil

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> > > > minds(asuras) by their hold on Shristi.Scope for sanitisation is the

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> > > > perspective in different yugas so that total protection from the Super

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> > > > > > > A meaningful approach

thatÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\

Å¡ " Aham " promotes " brih " In

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> > > > the 'shristi " is a Very positive frame work.

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> > > > not be necessarily find issues as complex.as actions'otherwise Known

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> > > > through Karmas have to be performed in such a way that postive out look

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> > > > of shisht is maintained.Options before him are to perform karmas with

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> > > > > > > > repeated visualizations it will gather energy and power till it

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> > > > > > > > eventually manifests itself as a physical reality. "

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> > > > > > > > Best wishes,

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> > > > > > > > Amitabh Shastri

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> > > > > > > > On 1/21/2010 4:11 PM, Lilly wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > It is said in the scripitures that BRAHMA created this

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> > > >

> > >

> > > > universe with

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > his sankalap (mind/thoughts) ! At the beginning of the process

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> > > > of

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> > > > > > > > > creation Brahma created 11 Prajapatis who are believed to be

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> > > > > > > > > fathers of the human race..He also created the 7 sages/

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> > > > Saptarishi(7

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> > > > > > > > > heavenly bodies) to help him create the universe. However

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > since all

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> > > > > > > > > these sons of his were born out of his mind rather than body,

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> > > > they are

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> > > > > > > > > called Manas Putras/mind- sons/spirits. .Brahma is also said

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> > > > > > > > > of the Supreme Being, Brahman, and the female energy known as

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> > > > Prakrti

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> > > > > > > > > or Maya(By the way all this information is on Wikipedia)..

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> > > > > > > > > I found a beautiful song called " Unwritten " that ties up well

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> > > > > > > > > this whole BRAHMA's creation theory..It just got me thinking

> > >

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> > > > that if

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> > > > > > > > > Brahma can create his universe from his mind/thoughts; maybe

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> > > > we also

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > have a chance to create our own destiny!!

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> > > > > > > > > " Unwritten "

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> > > > > > > > > I am unwritten, can't read my mind, I'm undefined

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> > > > > > > > > I'm just beginning, the pen's in my hand, ending unplanned

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> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > I break tradition, sometimes my tries, are outside the lines

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> > > > > > > > > We've been conditioned to not make mistakes, but I can't live

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> > > >

> > >

> > > > that way

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> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > So close you can almost taste it

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Release your inhibitions

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

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> > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > Feel the rain on your skin

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > No one else can feel it for you

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Only you can let it in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > No one else, no one else

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > Can speak the words on your lips

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > Drench yourself in words unspoken

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Live your life with arms wide open

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > Today is where your book begins

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > The rest is still unwritten

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> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Staring at the blank page before you

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Open up the dirty window

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Let the sun illuminate the words that you could not find

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Reaching for something in the distance

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RR Ji, we all at JR love you and see you as our big brother only, and don't mind

much of reality!! All of us live in this ONE world, ONE father, and that makes

all of us children of the same father..We are all just brothers only..All of us

united under this fraternity of BROTHER-HOOD!

Bhindey..Bhindey...Math..Tindey...(All are just drops, and will merge with the

OCEAN one day!)

 

I am sure BRAHMA JI also had the same SAMKALP of seeing us brothers united,

under one umbrella!

 

JAI VASUDEV KUTUBMH!!

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> I have always been blamed for bringing too much real life into Jyotish but I

have never felt guilty for doing so!

>

> What would be the utility of Jyotish if it were dissected -- as it has been

done from time to time in the past or even in modern times -- from worldly life:

The reality of the householder?

>

> Jyotish, while written and channeled by Sages of YORE was really for the

HOUSEHOLDER who till today asks questions about ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA

and MAKAN when they approach the JYOTISHI GURUJEES! ;-)

>

> Once in a while a request comes asking about Ishta devta and how to use one's

chart to become a vairagee, but almost invariably there is a between the lines

quest or question in such requests that hint at residual

householder/Grihasta-Samsarik desires that *linger-on* ...!

>

> Look at most of the scriptures who you all believe in, religiously, I suppose!

They are full of very worldly and samsarik combinations and advice, right down

to the GIFT OF PARASHARA TO KALIYUGIS: Ashtakavarga! With the 'variation'

introduced by Varahamihira which was the first hint for me that even back then

REALITY was not UNIFORM or Black and White but very very GREY! Just like today!!

;-)

>

> There is no PURE JYOTISH for in order for Jyotish to have any value, any

vitality, it must get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!

>

> There is no point in hiding or running away from LIFE, while still remaining

worldly -- despite all claims and promises made to oneself, for no matter why or

what!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance.All expressions while in the course of understanding should reflect

the objectivity.

> > In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga.

> > Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air views

such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

> > Abbreviated/condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction?).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation/start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

> > Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals

and are dharmic in understanding/approaches.

> > If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

> > " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes,detachment and equanimity not to

speak of love(of parmount importance)

> > " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as "

thou and thine'(not as I and as my will)

> > In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These

issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > ...

>

> <Rest brutally deleted in conformation to Prashant_DaDa's command!>

>

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What a nice picture you have painted, Lilly ... :-B

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> RR Ji, we all at JR love you and see you as our big brother only, and don't

mind much of reality!! All of us live in this ONE world, ONE father, and that

makes all of us children of the same father..We are all just brothers only..All

of us united under this fraternity of BROTHER-HOOD!

Bhindey..Bhindey...Math..Tindey...(All are just drops, and will merge with the

OCEAN one day!)

>

> I am sure BRAHMA JI also had the same SAMKALP of seeing us brothers united,

under one umbrella!

>

> JAI VASUDEV KUTUBMH!!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > I have always been blamed for bringing too much real life into Jyotish but I

have never felt guilty for doing so!

> >

> > What would be the utility of Jyotish if it were dissected -- as it has been

done from time to time in the past or even in modern times -- from worldly life:

The reality of the householder?

> >

> > Jyotish, while written and channeled by Sages of YORE was really for the

HOUSEHOLDER who till today asks questions about ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA

and MAKAN when they approach the JYOTISHI GURUJEES! ;-)

> >

> > Once in a while a request comes asking about Ishta devta and how to use

one's chart to become a vairagee, but almost invariably there is a between the

lines quest or question in such requests that hint at residual

householder/Grihasta-Samsarik desires that *linger-on* ...!

> >

> > Look at most of the scriptures who you all believe in, religiously, I

suppose! They are full of very worldly and samsarik combinations and advice,

right down to the GIFT OF PARASHARA TO KALIYUGIS: Ashtakavarga! With the

'variation' introduced by Varahamihira which was the first hint for me that even

back then REALITY was not UNIFORM or Black and White but very very GREY! Just

like today!! ;-)

> >

> > There is no PURE JYOTISH for in order for Jyotish to have any value, any

vitality, it must get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!

> >

> > There is no point in hiding or running away from LIFE, while still remaining

worldly -- despite all claims and promises made to oneself, for no matter why or

what!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance.All expressions while in the course of understanding should reflect

the objectivity.

> > > In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as vednaga.

> > > Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air

views such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

> > > Abbreviated/condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction?).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation/start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

> > > Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have ideals

and are dharmic in understanding/approaches.

> > > If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

> > > " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes,detachment and equanimity not to

speak of love(of parmount importance)

> > > " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective as "

thou and thine'(not as I and as my will)

> > > In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These

issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > ...

> >

> > <Rest brutally deleted in conformation to Prashant_DaDa's command!>

> >

>

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Brahma Ji gave all of us kalams(pen/brush)to draw and paint our own picture, and

so our destiny lies all in our own hands!!

 

Lilly

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> What a nice picture you have painted, Lilly ... :-B

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > RR Ji, we all at JR love you and see you as our big brother only, and don't

mind much of reality!! All of us live in this ONE world, ONE father, and that

makes all of us children of the same father..We are all just brothers only..All

of us united under this fraternity of BROTHER-HOOD!

Bhindey..Bhindey...Math..Tindey...(All are just drops, and will merge with the

OCEAN one day!)

> >

> > I am sure BRAHMA JI also had the same SAMKALP of seeing us brothers united,

under one umbrella!

> >

> > JAI VASUDEV KUTUBMH!!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > I have always been blamed for bringing too much real life into Jyotish but

I have never felt guilty for doing so!

> > >

> > > What would be the utility of Jyotish if it were dissected -- as it has

been done from time to time in the past or even in modern times -- from worldly

life: The reality of the householder?

> > >

> > > Jyotish, while written and channeled by Sages of YORE was really for the

HOUSEHOLDER who till today asks questions about ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA

and MAKAN when they approach the JYOTISHI GURUJEES! ;-)

> > >

> > > Once in a while a request comes asking about Ishta devta and how to use

one's chart to become a vairagee, but almost invariably there is a between the

lines quest or question in such requests that hint at residual

householder/Grihasta-Samsarik desires that *linger-on* ...!

> > >

> > > Look at most of the scriptures who you all believe in, religiously, I

suppose! They are full of very worldly and samsarik combinations and advice,

right down to the GIFT OF PARASHARA TO KALIYUGIS: Ashtakavarga! With the

'variation' introduced by Varahamihira which was the first hint for me that even

back then REALITY was not UNIFORM or Black and White but very very GREY! Just

like today!! ;-)

> > >

> > > There is no PURE JYOTISH for in order for Jyotish to have any value, any

vitality, it must get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!

> > >

> > > There is no point in hiding or running away from LIFE, while still

remaining worldly -- despite all claims and promises made to oneself, for no

matter why or what!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning and

significance.All expressions while in the course of understanding should reflect

the objectivity.

> > > > In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as

vednaga.

> > > > Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air

views such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

> > > > Abbreviated/condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction?).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation/start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

> > > > Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have

ideals and are dharmic in understanding/approaches.

> > > > If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for Sanyasa.

> > > > " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes,detachment and equanimity not to

speak of love(of parmount importance)

> > > > " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective

as " thou and thine'(not as I and as my will)

> > > > In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and procedures.These

issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > ...

> > >

> > > <Rest brutally deleted in conformation to Prashant_DaDa's command!>

> > >

> >

>

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So TRUE! Reality is always in the perception!!

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Brahma Ji gave all of us kalams(pen/brush)to draw and paint our own picture,

and so our destiny lies all in our own hands!!

>

> Lilly

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > What a nice picture you have painted, Lilly ... :-B

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RR Ji, we all at JR love you and see you as our big brother only, and

don't mind much of reality!! All of us live in this ONE world, ONE father, and

that makes all of us children of the same father..We are all just brothers

only..All of us united under this fraternity of BROTHER-HOOD!

Bhindey..Bhindey...Math..Tindey...(All are just drops, and will merge with the

OCEAN one day!)

> > >

> > > I am sure BRAHMA JI also had the same SAMKALP of seeing us brothers

united, under one umbrella!

> > >

> > > JAI VASUDEV KUTUBMH!!

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have always been blamed for bringing too much real life into Jyotish

but I have never felt guilty for doing so!

> > > >

> > > > What would be the utility of Jyotish if it were dissected -- as it has

been done from time to time in the past or even in modern times -- from worldly

life: The reality of the householder?

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish, while written and channeled by Sages of YORE was really for the

HOUSEHOLDER who till today asks questions about ROTI, KAPDA, KALATRA, BACHCHAA

and MAKAN when they approach the JYOTISHI GURUJEES! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Once in a while a request comes asking about Ishta devta and how to use

one's chart to become a vairagee, but almost invariably there is a between the

lines quest or question in such requests that hint at residual

householder/Grihasta-Samsarik desires that *linger-on* ...!

> > > >

> > > > Look at most of the scriptures who you all believe in, religiously, I

suppose! They are full of very worldly and samsarik combinations and advice,

right down to the GIFT OF PARASHARA TO KALIYUGIS: Ashtakavarga! With the

'variation' introduced by Varahamihira which was the first hint for me that even

back then REALITY was not UNIFORM or Black and White but very very GREY! Just

like today!! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > There is no PURE JYOTISH for in order for Jyotish to have any value, any

vitality, it must get down in the MUD of Life and LIVE IT!

> > > >

> > > > There is no point in hiding or running away from LIFE, while still

remaining worldly -- despite all claims and promises made to oneself, for no

matter why or what!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > It has already been mentioned that some topics carry lot of meaning

and significance.All expressions while in the course of understanding should

reflect the objectivity.

> > > > > In jyotish forms any thing conveyed has to related to Jyotish,as

vednaga.

> > > > > Time and again we get diverted from the main columns of topic and air

views such as:/NASHA is what we all have, and call it a human experince!!/

> > > > > Abbreviated/condensed expression do not focus on the relevance  and

relation.Nasha is any thing (destruction?).It's relevence to

Samkalpa(initiation/start) and Kalpa,a term close jyotisa as vednaga.For gender

base it is sanyasi and sanyasini.A kind ascetism.

> > > > > Sanyasi or Ghrihasta are two different concepts .Both how ever have

ideals and are dharmic in understanding/approaches.

> > > > > If we want to know what sanysi refers to:one who volunteerd for

Sanyasa.

> > > > > " sanyasa is attainement of fearlessnes,detachment and equanimity not

to speak of love(of parmount importance)

> > > > > " one who has nishKapata yoga 'and looks at life from lord perspective

as " thou and thine'(not as I and as my will)

> > > > > In the context of Kalpa known for rituals,sacrifies and

procedures.These issues part of Vedanga are dealt as Kalpa Sutras.

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > <Rest brutally deleted in conformation to Prashant_DaDa's command!>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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