Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hi, benefic planets in debiliation  sign  or benefic planets in exalted sign. both have a one parameter for predictions.  Both give maximum effect of 2 houses. Where a planet comes in the horoscope and direct to the 7th house. exalted planet give good result to house where he comes. debiliation give weak result where he comes. simple process : increase or reduce the effect of houses where such type of planets comes. Stationary or normal or regular planets are good always. Some astrologers says neech and vakeri greh give good results. I says both give results. Difference in the nature of results. Shukra give good result in  12th house and 8th house.  Lot of expense can be there, physical problem can be there, but foreign travels can be there, if shukra comes in 12th house. Shani give enjoyment in starting, but give very weak results in rest dasa. all other gives very weak results in 12th house. the dasa of sick houses, 6th, 8th and 12th are very weak, exceptions - get an aspect of benefic planet, or own sign or some time if in a exalted sign. Moksha - simple concept, when native get a frustration in life need a path of moksha, when check all things are falsein this world.  It is due to his bad or weak time. that is why we say shani and ketu gives a moksha at last and are moksha karak greh. This is fact, we remember God in our weak time.  Weak time we have from sick houses or malefic planets. barkot, Tan --- On Thu, 1/28/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy Thursday, January 28, 2010, 1:20 AM  Parashara Jee gave us sixteen chances to redeem oursleves! If you love the exalted, find the varga where your focus should be, if exalted is your desire! And focus on the varga that has what you desire! Be true to it and not vacillate! For once born, the sixteen vargas are for life! This lifetime, anyway! Unless you change your Ayanamsha! Many do!! Some others choose to focus on the debilitated and help out in soup kitchens and doctors beyond borders and so on! The only common thread is sincerity and Flexibility! Try it -- someday! Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dada,For me the thought of debilitation is not comfortable as if some thing of sympathy is solicited..Benific planets as a brand item good for marketability but for not consumption. All planets benifit,only we want and work for them.Benific planets when ushered to support help us.It is just  ambiguous to feel debilitation washed out all benific qualities.Need to sharpen and so basics out of bhandar are helpful to annoint first.Jyotish a divine light makes all of us very comfortable to understand and play.So the cutting of course a very sharp one and now finding out for a fixer to do the rest of the job. Poora Jindagi wahi kat gaya.Jo bhi fayida(paste) abhi ho jata hai badhiya hi hai.Katuti kar kar ke kotwal ko khush nahi kar payeUttara bharat ne bahut kuch sikhaye.Now pay back time to " cut " my kharcha  and save for the sake of kotwal to fevicol(paste) and make him to sport a pleasent smile. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 1/28/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy > > Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Were you simply pasting or just cutting, Bhai Saheb? > > > > Ulta Chor Kotwaal ko Daantay! > > > > Ever heard of that North Indian Adage? > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends,Cyber Jyotish perhaps is a culprit in a way that only avoids  and encourages for cut and paste technologies. Seldom it does inspire for people to refer to some of the authenticated versions/write ups/texts/writings( not through blogs certainly) in jyotish.For one who still toddles in play school level of jyotish(though not as popular as video games),it ignores the initiatives to make class room approach.this is where all of us are.It is still best to recollect what class teacher wanted students to complete home work first.This also (probably)enhances the quality of 12H comfort namely good sleep.both feet very important (to stand firm),discharge of debts,liberation from pain,12 H signifies:awakening from sleep,entry into heavens.mental agiatation these need a careful understanding( Uttara Kalamrita quoted)//reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)//very munte but important if understood.First formost hard work to learn,circulaltion > of > > > welath,CONDUCT, purity of mind,HAPPINESS, a Vedic scrifice(courtesy Uttara Kalmrut)Undoubtedly the prime requisite is://state of sleep and the types of dreams etc. It is like a DOOR through which the current consciousness enters that OTHER realm which it lives in simultaneously too.//This is to be practised and a good  sleep is itself contributes to improve the 9H.Once purity(not flush out type) is thought of all other inklings to 9H become a fact.The struggle if at all is there(in life) it is like kid when learning to walk takes a " Trycycle " w/ o pedals but a wooden handle that gives balance and teaches how to make steps and start walking.This is waht is needed.This aspect comes out of 1st H/Ascdt/Lagna, 5H(as already mentioned by Dada and appreciated) and then 9th(Doors kept open to do his sublime part) > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/27/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy > > > > > > Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that make me the pizza guy who delivered on time in 30 minutes? > > > > > > > > > > > > I SURE hope so! The King Cobra with the MANI on his 'FUN' always told me off but while Krishnendu -- my grade-5 best friend (and later on too) stomped on the scorpion that somehow entered into our Morning 'ASSEMBLY' -- completely destroyed the STATUS-QUO and we all kiddies LAUGHED our HEADS OFF in front of the massive confusion of our TEACHERS that were supposed to KEEP us ACOLYTES under controle of these CLUELESS Saturnine teachers -- a realisation was 'born'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Chela approached BABA and he was allowed to experiment -- in keeping with what Baba DID! (Although ... but I do not want to complicate this message....! ) .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Confusing message? You bet! Why?? You will figure it out someday, here or elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was just beautiful..Just the right post for the moment.. > > > > > > > Thanks RR JI!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 12th house is one of those mysterious houses that are almost mystical! Please let us not go through it like bulls through a china shop!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the 12th as the SON of RANDHRA, kind of like RAMBO II! Seen those movies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th is Rambo and 12th is Rambo II! You have enough knowledge of Jyotish and intelligence to figure out the relationship! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th is like the father who hunts and captures and then gives the bounties to the 12th -- its son! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 12th rules KOSHAS in a sense! It rules organizations like Banks and Hospitals which HOLD our financial losses and our sick (loss of health).. A minor loss is also sometimes indicated by the pleasures of bed, also indicated by the 12th. However, it is misinterpreted by many and does not represent 'pleasures of the bed' as misunderstood by most! There is only one PLEASURE OF or IN the bed! SLEEP! That is why the 12th often tells about the c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, dreams are important too for divination and for a healthy sleeping pattern (read up on REM sleep and its importance and so on...). And the 12th also depicts the spiritual KOSHA that leads to MUKTI or MOKSHA -- being the HOME of Dharma/Dharmic living -- the lap of ETERNAL MOTHER, 4th from the 9th! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What the nativity gathers in this lifetime (1) is socked up and away in the 5th and hence it is the house that will be examined after the present entity dies and its " collected-Karma " will be examined by St. peter or Yamaraja or Allah or whoever is responsible for the same duties in the other religions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry if I am overloading your circuits! That is the last thing you need at this time! Please print this message and keep it with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sincere and very SERIOUS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With 12th house ruling all types of losses, and 8th ruling major road blocks & obstacles; relationships will remain a life time challenge for many..Everyday, an elevated mother reminds her child of how that evil soul took birth from her womb, and caused her so much pain & suffering.. > > > > > > > > > We have to flush out our negative karma in this lifetime, before we can reach our higher purpose & goals (9th house)..And than we can finally reach our destination and complete the cycle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you mean the 'houses' do not improve or the jatak does not improve over time in regards to the 8th and 12th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would you consider improvement of these houses (8th and 12th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3,6,10,11 the houses of growth are fine and most agree that represent growth, but ponder for a moment, dear Tigress! Growth is not always good. Cancer is a disease (6th) characterized by growth! So is OBESITY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While 3,6,10,11 houses are Upachaya, 8th & 12th house don't usually improve with time.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,Remedies r not covered in the scope of  study of signs,houses and bhavas in the original versions of classical texts.They r appendices for Astrology.Planets in debilitation also have significance to signs.Basic tenets of 6.8 and 12 known as Dushta Sthanas always indicate and provide opportunity for improving the quality of life one is likely to experience.. These  areas are basically meant for " to work for improvement " whereevery native needs to think and explore for good and bad out of these bad houses.Theoritical background given about Venus and Saturn by Shri Mishra Ji helps every one to know more about these planets capabilities and their karakatwas.These issues fall in the jurisdiction of these planets in these house.Finally we need to connect with signs to know more how to improve and work on them.Classical as written by the Seers and the lateral authentication, enlightenments from prolific writer like Smt > Mridula > > > Trivedi  impart right > > > > > > > > > > > > guidnace.   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus in 12th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Venus in 12th house offers auspicious result.In Phaldeepika Mantreswar says-Brigurjanyati byaye sa ratisaukhyavittadyu tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >     \     \     \     \     \     \     \     But I have myself studied that Venus posited in 12th house offers adverse effect,if Venus happens to be significator of 1st,6th and 8th cusp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus may cause veneral disease and hyperglycaemia also during its bhukti and antardasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >     \     \     \     \     \     \     \     \ But as per classics the native performs pious deeds.. One will respect elders. One will be enlightened and prosperous. One will not lack wealth and prosperity and will not spend money uselessly. The native will spend money for buying comforts. One will spend for pious deeds and get the satisfaction of having spent money for a good cause. The native may be skilled at sexual games. One will spend one's time in games and be happy. The person will have an early marriage. One will have a satisfactory sexual life. One will be endowed with wealth and comforts. Married people of the opposite sex will be infatuated towards the native who will keep all of them happy. > There is no shortage of friends.The native may be inclined towards rearing animals and making gains from this venture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Inauspicious Results : The native is sinful, ill behaved, passionate and quarrelsome. One might eat a lot, be downtrodden, unsympathetic, tainted harsh, lacking faith and sympathy, wicked and untruthful. One may be weak and ailing in childhood and later on may be lazy and heavy bodied. The native may be angry, unintelligent and imprudent. One may be extravagant and expenditure may exceed. One may be enimical to one's relatives and loving to one's enemies. One may quarrel with friends and elders. The person may have few talents and may oppose friends. One's talents and fame may be lost.. One may sacrifice the path of pious deeds. One may be dominated by the opposite sex. One may be extremely engrossed and desirous of sexual interaction, all the time. One may always be involved in sexual activities. One may have illicit relations with the opposite sex and may try to attain worldly happiness secretively. The person may even suffer > from > > > sexual ailments. One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may on many occasions leave the spouse and live with some other person. There is a possibility of two marriages. One may have disputes with one's spouse. The native may be poor. Financial conditions are ordinary. Debt prevails right up to death.   ÂÃâ\ €šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ The person is passionate and has bad character.   Ãâ€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Swindlers may cause a lot of harm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 8th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Auspicious Results : Generally it is said that Saturn if posited in 8th house especially in Dhanu Rasi bestows long life.The native is bold and has a heavy body. One will be scholarly, dexterous, sympathetic, fearless, liberal and very clear. One will benefit financially from the marriage. One may inherit wealth and property as someone's heir and may look after the property also. The native will live up to the age of 75. One will practice Shastras, which have depth in them. One will be in service. The person will have few sons. The earlier part of life of the native is problematic but later on there is happiness. Contrary events have also been seen to happen i.e. happiness followed by unhappiness or unhappiness in the earlier part and happiness in old age. Good fortune starts after the 36th year. One will be healthy at the time of death. The native will already know about his death a little white before death.The native > is long lived > > > and may die due > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to unavoidable old age.   ÂÂ\  Ã‚ The native will earn one's living through independent business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inauspicious Results : The native will have a weak and lean body. One is wicked and lazy. The native is wicked, talkative, cowardly, angry, traitorous, miserly, dissatisfied, fraudulent and tactful. One will be harsh in speech, lowly in temperament and may not participate in good humored and jovial matter. One may be critical of other and may therefore be small hearted and narrow minded and always crooked minded. Therefore, any one cannot cheat the native. One may follow the wrong path and bring defame upon oneself due to one's sins. One may be ailed. One may suffer due to the shortage of minerals. One may suffer from leprosy. One may suffer pain due to itching, boils, and other skin ailments. One may have a weak vision. When Saturn is in the eighth bhava, one may suffer from septic infection and other ailments.. One may die due to heart problems, cough, cold etc. One may suffer due to the assault of weapons. One may not get pre-accumulated > > > wealth. One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may always one disappointed in life. The native may lose one's wealth and is poverty stricken. One's son may be a fraud. One may die abroad or at some lowly place. One may maintain relations with a lower person of the opposite sex. The native may reside abroad and be unhappy there. One may be punished for theft and may die the hands of a lowly person. Friends may ignore this person. One may unnecessarily bear the separation of relatives, saintly and learned people. One may not get the company of religious, truthful and good people. One may be in the company of wicked people. Inauspicious events occur to the native after the 54th year. In one's sixth year either the parents may expire or one's father may face same severe financial crisis.. One's 32nd year may also be problematic. According to 'Jyotish Shyam Sangraha', one may die due to hunger, over eating, venereal diseases, paralysis, thorns, injury from an elephant's foot or due to a > horse > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > donkey.There are chances of imprisonment for the native.The native may suffer from venereal diseases, throat problems and enlargement of the ovaries etc.Marriage may not the favorable for the native. One may not get any dowry. Financial problems may prevail after marriage and one may die after suffering from long lasting diseases.One may have a sudden death if Saturn is afflicted.Marriage leads to ill fortune because the lord of fate is in the eighth house.According to Kashyap, one may die due to Vrana ailments.The planet will give inauspicious results.The planet will give inauspicious results.Very poor growth of children is also indicated due to saturn in 8th house.The people born in Taurus ascendant have to often face to failure even after great care and fate does not help in any way.Smt Mridula Trivedi in her book 'Sani Saman' on page 52 to 56 has written very inauspicious results of Saturn, if posited in 8th house and she has quoted > > > verses from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS,Verses written by Jeevnath,Mahesh, Mansagari, Jyotish shyam Sangrah,View of Vashishtha,Varahmih ir,Kalyan verma,Mantreswar, Kashyap,Garga, Vaidyanath, Kashinath, Harivansha, Bhrigusutrakar, Khankhana ,and also view of western astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karan Kumari <architakhera@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:18:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected dhirendra ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SIR , are there any exceptions to above rle for ex venus in 12 is considered good simlarly shani in 8th . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > archita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, January 25, 2010 12:20:40 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benefic Planets in debiliation & Remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benefic planets in debiliation or posited in 6th,8th,or 12th house will give inauspicious results during their dasa.Malefic planets similarly situated will give inescapable misery during their dasa.The inauspicious results effected by benefic planets could be warded off by performance of shanti yajna & wearing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suitable Gemstone whereas the misery caused by malefic planets will certainly have to be experienced and can not be warded off totally by performance of shanti yajna etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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