Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! A simple evidence and fact? After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005 > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM >  > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of this. These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those above.. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > A simple evidence and fact? > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > A simple evidence and fact? > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL! Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed! There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART! Bhaktiyoga!! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of this. > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those above.. > > > Lilly > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. Ashok Goswami --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM  Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > A simple evidence and fact? > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 //Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...// Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little. It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to understand - which is not evident A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ PG <darshan261 Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??  Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. Ashok Goswami --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM  Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > A simple evidence and fact? > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Dear Asohk Ji, The beauty of religion is that we all realize this thing called GOD/Spiritual Energy in our own way. It is deeply personal and we should really not force our beliefs onto others, don't you think? I mean even if you look within a family you will find a great spectrum of beliefs, ranging from extreme orthodox to the other tail end of complete non-believers. And they all still manage to live together in the same household, peacefully! Lilly , PG <darshan261 wrote: > > Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. > Ashok Goswami > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005 > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM >  > > > > > Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. > > What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Shuresh Ji, my purpose was not to disrespect or offend anyone..If you feel my message came across that way then my sincere apology to you and everyone. Lilly , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > //Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...// > > Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little. > > It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to understand - which is not evident > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > PG <darshan261 > > Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > >  > Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. > Ashok Goswami > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM > >  > > Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. > > What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hello Lilly: I agree with your analysis that we realise GOD/Spirtual enrgy in our own way. Diversity of experience and out look is healthy and we must not impose or believe one idea to be some how superior. I feel however that guidance from teacher can make this journey more productive. Ashok Goswami --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:59 PM  Dear Asohk Ji, The beauty of religion is that we all realize this thing called GOD/Spiritual Energy in our own way. It is deeply personal and we should really not force our beliefs onto others, don't you think? I mean even if you look within a family you will find a great spectrum of beliefs, ranging from extreme orthodox to the other tail end of complete non-believers. And they all still manage to live together in the same household, peacefully! Lilly , PG <darshan261@ ...> wrote: > > Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. > Ashok Goswami > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. > > What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Who gets " offended " ? - realy (I don't)   A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Fri, February 5, 2010 10:46:48 AM Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??  Shuresh Ji, my purpose was not to disrespect or offend anyone..If you feel my message came across that way then my sincere apology to you and everyone. Lilly , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > //Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...// > > Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little. > > It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to understand - which is not evident > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > PG <darshan261@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > >  > Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. > Ashok Goswami > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM > >  > > Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. > > What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Dear Members, I have already referred about the quality of discussions as more spirtual arising out of 12th house,if people agree it as a sentiment of Moksha how ever pertinent to the thread and to the bigger realm of moksha and spirtuality.So ultimately some mass getting gathered in various ways depending on rs half baked opinions/views.at the best logic..Further relegion,Gods,rituals,poojas and prasads too are our views The beauty of Religion lies in bringing people together and and talk of good things.we mean more about satsang.As far as worship,pooja,prasadam and all othe rituals are convictions of one's traditions and customs on which v do not have much deliberate. Religion as an Institution provides succour to some people in miseries who r not cares much and have not received attention. Here the languages of religion is universal.For every one here emphasis is on " Sat " .Social animal,the man come into play for various purposes and the society he lives has all things what ever he looks.It is for him,I mean certainly afree will to express likes or dislikes,agree or disagree. what is commonly felt is human beings have same kind of issues and would like to share in some plat form.This platform is religion and is getting regimental.it is all we reflect through our minds leading to force and persecution. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:59 PM  Dear Asohk Ji, The beauty of religion is that we all realize this thing called GOD/Spiritual Energy in our own way. It is deeply personal and we should really not force our beliefs onto others, don't you think? I mean even if you look within a family you will find a great spectrum of beliefs, ranging from extreme orthodox to the other tail end of complete non-believers. And they all still manage to live together in the same household, peacefully! Lilly , PG <darshan261@ ...> wrote: > > Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. > Ashok Goswami > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. > > What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course.. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off...Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet ..and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Time and again,the point needs to be viewed is in a public platform v have to keep in mind not about the speed of the internet,or hard discs but above our way of understanding an dputting them to lear some thing and to eveolve better.We need this appraoch and find the relevance of opinion(trying to push/force) with reference to some head/caption/thread.Even cyber media,a popular agent has to havesome refinement when we in a collective way please. been Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Friday, February 5, 2010, 12:16 AM  Shuresh Ji, my purpose was not to disrespect or offend anyone..If you feel my message came across that way then my sincere apology to you and everyone. Lilly , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > //Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...// > > Do not overstep into those areas about which you understand very little. > > It is upto to you whether to ramble on every thing or make a real effort to understand - which is not evident > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > PG <darshan261@ ...> > > Fri, February 5, 2010 10:13:36 AM > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > >  > Hello there: First of all, I am not well informed in the subject of religion or spirituality, some thing which has stuck with me regarding the ritual aspects of Hindu religion ( as I understand them ) is that God has no form ,we elect to give this energy a shape we are comfortable with , similarly God does not expect gifts , it is our mortals way of expressing our love ( as tame as it might be) and through these actions we gain solace ( as temporary or long term as might be). I seem to relate with shri Rohni Ji ( hope fully I understand his point of view) that these acts are tokens . The value of these acts is as strong or weak as in th elong run or faith is. Based solely on the reasoning these acts do not pass the muster of science as we have learned in schools. > Ashok Goswami > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:17 PM > >  > > Why we offer PRASADAM to God..Is it that God is hungry and has an appetite like us...Anapoorna MA took the bold step and offered to give GOD this DAAN (to give up her vices) when he came to her doorstep before anyone else dared to do it.. > > What are we really loosing when we give this donation/ offering of giving up our vices?? > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course.. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off...Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet ..and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Sir, “Ek nukte ke farq ne hamein mehram se mujrim bana dala,  hum dua likhte rahe ...... vo dagaa padhte rahe " . Regards Kulbir Bains ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, 4 February, 2010 8:38:16 PM Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??  I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who .... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL! Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed! There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART! Bhaktiyoga!! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of this. > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right not effort makers(purusharti' s) that's why we need help from those above.. > > > Lilly > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ .....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts..These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Sir, Who ever have stated in what ever way they all have a single objective:Human to be free from insecurity,confident and able enough to deal environment. This in a parable way:be Kind to yourself,Love thyself and also I mention charity begins at home.If we believe in our selves I do not think,we have Vasudhiava Kutumbam. Ancients r not evolved they had difficult practices and moderns certainly deserve higher niche(?). Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:29 PM  Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! A simple evidence and fact? After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...> wrote: > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to..They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Iam sure such apprehensions have any base.why at all' fighting this //KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN// and make those gallant pronouncement and universalize? Mahabharat was brought between two person having trust on each other as a story?we have appreciation as v regard them? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:38 PM  I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL! Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed! There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART! Bhaktiyoga!! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of this. > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right not effort makers(purusharti' s) that's why we need help from those above.. > > > Lilly > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course.. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off...Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 These r divergent views to be understood in personal ways not that v become tangent and off the track. Build massive temples?for what? what benifits from temple? You have faith ,you look at them.No faith walk or pass unnoticed?Deva is not external to you if you want to enhance the scope of your expressions Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:22 PM  Yes, it's us humans who perform rituals to please the deities in hopes to get something in return..We build massive temples for a reason, because we benefited from them!! But the deva's never expected anything from us. Lilly , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...> wrote: > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to..They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Read the last sentence in my earlier message. What does it say? :-) , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Ahh Bhaktinyoga, sounds too familiar!! But don't you need a heart to practice that ? > > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! > > > > Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL! > > > > Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed! > > > > There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART! Bhaktiyoga!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of this. > > > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those above.. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Lilly, Please read the last sentence in my earlier message! What does it say? :-) It was just a statement made by me for you to take it or leave it and not meant to be a thread-starter for another perpetuum mobile...! It is not about trines or trigunas or Shivji's Trident either! RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Ah, and don't forget bahkti too relies on a TRI-POD of 1st, 5th, and 9th, a lot like your AAJ, KAL,and KAAL! The initial stage of Falling in love, then Staying in love, and eventually Falling out of love..The initial take- off is so intoxicating when you feel extremely high as you both look into each others eyes(SATVIC stage), then you both see the same things even if not looking directly into each others eyes(RAJSIC stage), and after some time you both look at other things/people(TAMSIC stage). > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Read the last sentence in my earlier message. What does it say? :-) > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Ahh Bhaktinyoga, sounds too familiar!! But don't you need a heart to practice that ? > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! > > > > > > > > Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL! > > > > > > > > Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed! > > > > > > > > There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART! Bhaktiyoga!! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of this. > > > > > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right not effort makers(purusharti's) that's why we need help from those above.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Kulbir Praajee, Maya Sundari teray kitnay roop aur teray kitnay naam... Aankh lagee chand lamhay wahan, yahaan huaa sara kaam tamam!! Rohiniranjan PS: Hope it arrives there without the nasty ANDAAs! Browser change karo bhai-jee! ;-) , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > >  > > > > Sir, > “Ek nukte ke farq ne hamein mehram se mujrim bana dala, >  hum dua likhte rahe ...... vo dagaa padhte rahe " . Regards > Kulbir Bains > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Thu, 4 February, 2010 8:38:16 PM > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > >  > I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! > > Later on when I got interested in the occult, that is exactly what the Mantriks said! SPELLING is very IMPORTANT in a SPELL! > > Even pronounciations, some serious purists INSISTed! > > There is a different alternative too which is the path of the HEART! Bhaktiyoga!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > You really must see the bigger picture in all! Get ready to dive deep into the depth of Ocean and start picking up all the hidden submerged gems in all of this. > > These rituals, deva's, worship, scriptures etc. are all but universal and sublime and symbolically represent something bigger than what meets the eye..The real Mahabharat is still going on and all of us fighting this KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN..Our ignorance represented by Dhritrasta, all of us individuals are Arjuna..The chariot reprsents our bodies, the 5 hoarse represent our 5 vices senses(sight, smell, taste, anger, greed,lust, attachment etc..)All are right not effort makers(purusharti' s) that's why we need help from those above.. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps in those Poojas prescribed by our ANCIENTS and the difficult rituals and what not, a simple TRUTH existed, though HIDDEN? > > > > > > Something the the Psychologists and modern New-Age messiahs tuned into? > > > > > > First be KIND to yourself, and LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF! > > > > > > A simple evidence and fact? > > > > > > After the POOJA, any POOJA in any RELIGION, who PHYSICALLY consumes the Prasaadam or the wafer or whatever the chosen token is ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST LOVE THYSELF -- They ALL stated that again and again, LILLY (and others too -- who might be listening!) :-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to.They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > > > > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually.. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > > > > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 It is interesting that you saw that 'sharing' of mine as a Kurukshetra, Dada! Well here is the rest of the confession, publicly shared even if it may come to hurt me given the abuse I have recently been awarded by this forum and its regulars etc...: Well you see, Mme. in order to show HER efficiency treated me as a guinea-pig and forced me to learn to write in SCRIPT form before PRINT form as MOST children do! Well, in the SCHOOL, her kinder and <less-to-prove-daughter!> was absent one day and my TEACHER showed up as the SUB! She gave us all a task to copy some text and like the docile student that I was, I tried to conform with the rest of the class and tried to print letter by letter as I copied the text. Never having learned how to COPY or PRINT, I was slower than others and could not finish the task! My " reward " was a smack in the back of my head (the thickest and most protected part of the human body for several GOOD REASONS!)! Confused, I looked at her and MY TEACHER said: " I already taught you how to write in SCRIPT! Why were you trying to PRINT? Letter by letter? What a beautiful lesson given to a child! Though rendered by a tough teacher the message was very clear and not negative, at all!! :-) Sometimes praises and expectations come confusingly at the same time! Giving us the opportunities to separate words from emotions, ours and theirs...! Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Iam sure such apprehensions have any base.why at all' fighting this //KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN// and make those gallant pronouncement and universalize? > Mahabharat was brought between two person having trust on each other as a story?we have appreciation as v regard them? > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:38 PM > > I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who ... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dada, Lot of effort with great artistic skills the Moral Class is being held for quite some time.Yet the students when not on equal footing,sure the teacher has to face the furor(back benches).Only option(to my gentle teacher) to opt for latest class technics. Educational Technology some times very complex.Dawn of Power Points preferred by those sishyagan,who are scholastic. This makes teacher job tough to teach what and to whom in what manner.In th process the delicate and sensitive student ma'm becomes not easy to handle leading to internal strife ,if not war//Though rendered by a tough teacher the message was very clear and not negative, at all!!// 2.There are very thin lines between psychology.Astrology and Philosophy.If all happened to be from 12H point of view,the teacher,the student and the rest doubt will be dumb founded. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 2/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:10 AM  It is interesting that you saw that 'sharing' of mine as a Kurukshetra, Dada! Well here is the rest of the confession, publicly shared even if it may come to hurt me given the abuse I have recently been awarded by this forum and its regulars etc...: Well you see, Mme. in order to show HER efficiency treated me as a guinea-pig and forced me to learn to write in SCRIPT form before PRINT form as MOST children do! Well, in the SCHOOL, her kinder and <less-to-prove- daughter! > was absent one day and my TEACHER showed up as the SUB! She gave us all a task to copy some text and like the docile student that I was, I tried to conform with the rest of the class and tried to print letter by letter as I copied the text. Never having learned how to COPY or PRINT, I was slower than others and could not finish the task! My " reward " was a smack in the back of my head (the thickest and most protected part of the human body for several GOOD REASONS!)! Confused, I looked at her and MY TEACHER said: " I already taught you how to write in SCRIPT! Why were you trying to PRINT? Letter by letter? What a beautiful lesson given to a child! Though rendered by a tough teacher the message was very clear and not negative, at all!! :-) Sometimes praises and expectations come confusingly at the same time! Giving us the opportunities to separate words from emotions, ours and theirs....! Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...> wrote: > > Iam sure such apprehensions have any base.why at all' fighting this //KURUSHERTA war from WITHIN// and make those gallant pronouncement and universalize? > Mahabharat was brought between two person having trust on each other as a story?we have appreciation as v regard them? > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 11:38 PM > > I had a very saturnine picky type teacher in primary school who .... anyways let me not bore you with details! Mme. Arlykatti was very particular about spelling! Like misspelling their with there could complete change the meaning of what we wish to convey through language and may even distract them who we are trying to communicate with -- other humans in that context! > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Thanks! For me, it was biochemistry! Not so much the subject but those who taught it and the spouse who taught us what amounted to be the normal functioning of the body. Growth, since you ask, happened during the period ruled by Bhargava, under the control and tutelage of the other two gurus! The third one is not an enemy as many jyotishis make it out to be, but simply a BLESSING! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dada, > Lot of effort with great artistic skills the Moral Class is being held for quite some time.Yet the students when not on equal footing,sure the teacher has to face the furor(back benches).Only option(to my gentle teacher) to opt for latest class technics. > Educational Technology some times very complex.Dawn of Power Points preferred by those sishyagan,who are scholastic. > This makes teacher job tough to teach what and to whom in what manner.In th process the delicate and sensitive student ma'm becomes not easy to handle leading to internal strife ,if not war//Though rendered by a tough teacher the message was very clear and not > negative, at all!!// > 2.There are very thin lines between psychology.Astrology and Philosophy.If all happened to be from 12H point of view,the teacher,the student and the rest doubt will be dumb founded. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Krishnan ji, If one study the vaastu of temples right from boundary to colour/shape of idol in garbgraha. it personifies a person in meditative state/ shape of chakras. Bell = Naad.  Regards Kulbir Bains ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:41:33 PM Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??  These r divergent views to be understood in personal ways not that v become tangent and off the track. Build massive temples?for what? what benifits from temple? You have faith ,you look at them.No faith walk or pass unnoticed?Deva is not external to you if you want to enhance the scope of your expressions Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:22 PM  Yes, it's us humans who perform rituals to please the deities in hopes to get something in return..We build massive temples for a reason, because we benefited from them!! But the deva's never expected anything from us. Lilly , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...> wrote: > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to..They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Dada, It is a very inspirational message as it deals with Biochemistry the unseen but vital aspect of one and all. Interaction of the various efforts of Gurus(2Bs) by way of Alchemy that rejuvenates to hear the chirps of early morning and the potentiality the Nature holds for every one.There biochemistry present in Nature in all living beings supports the life silently.The combined effort at the command of Bhargava is to be realised as the steam that ticks the clock . Blessings are always a great source of strength.The two other Gurus provide according to the needs can not assure for the next day tomorrow.This what is important,the great Guru teaches how to deal and look forward to acuire himself on his own efforts and solve the riddle. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 2/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:11 AM  Thanks! For me, it was biochemistry! Not so much the subject but those who taught it and the spouse who taught us what amounted to be the normal functioning of the body. Growth, since you ask, happened during the period ruled by Bhargava, under the control and tutelage of the other two gurus! The third one is not an enemy as many jyotishis make it out to be, but simply a BLESSING! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...> wrote: > > Dada, > Lot of effort with great artistic skills the Moral Class is being held for quite some time.Yet the students when not on equal footing,sure the teacher has to face the furor(back benches).Only option(to my gentle teacher) to opt for latest class technics. > Educational Technology some times very complex.Dawn of Power Points preferred by those sishyagan,who are scholastic. > This makes teacher job tough to teach what and to whom in what manner.In th process the delicate and sensitive student ma'm becomes not easy to handle leading to internal strife ,if not war//Though rendered by a tough teacher the message was very clear and not > negative, at all!!// > 2.There are very thin lines between psychology.Astrolog y and Philosophy.If all happened to be from 12H point of view,the teacher,the student and the rest doubt will be dumb founded. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Dear Kulbir ji, A Eye opener !Wonderful bahi saab.A meaningful way to endorsewhy meditation and how?why temple and what it is meant for Vast expanse of the universe(thnx to Viswa Karma?) was put in some order with many things having theoritical base and personifying the society.v need how ever look back and devote time to know the various wonders and their importance. regards Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Saturday, February 6, 2010, 6:16 AM  Dear Krishnan ji, If one study the vaastu of temples right from boundary to colour/shape of idol in garbgraha. it personifies a person in meditative state/ shape of chakras. Bell = Naad.  Regards Kulbir Bains ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Thu, 4 February, 2010 10:41:33 PM Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay??  These r divergent views to be understood in personal ways not that v become tangent and off the track. Build massive temples?for what? what benifits from temple? You have faith ,you look at them.No faith walk or pass unnoticed?Deva is not external to you if you want to enhance the scope of your expressions Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B..V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? Thursday, February 4, 2010, 10:22 PM  Yes, it's us humans who perform rituals to please the deities in hopes to get something in return..We build massive temples for a reason, because we benefited from them!! But the deva's never expected anything from us. Lilly , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ....> wrote: > > It is v who do all rituals but careless to DAATA and finally DEVATA to...They need naivedyam and arati to please.They do not ask but realisation that is what sages d. > Might be our own shortsighted conceptions. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > BY definition DEV-TA is someone who only " GIVES " ( DAATA),and expects nothing in return! Only someone who's belly is completely full to max can give selflessly and be a complete donor to mankind. > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I do not necessarily separate those convenient categorizations of entities, Lilly. We human beings are excellent and compulsive classifiers who tend to categorize reality and parcel it into wonderful and convincing little packets. Jyotish is no different either -- nor is science of course. And how else can human beings learn without breaking the Reality into parts, BUT thereafter we must reconstitute it back -- at least mentally and conceptually. Like watchmakers, we need to take the watches, many watches apart to learn what makes those watches tick but once learned, we must strive to put those watches together. I do not wish to belabour the point, but like they say, each egg has all that is needed to sustain life, whether as a maternal sac of nourishment or as an omelette! > > > > > > The egg can sustain the related lifeform within, as well as the 'unrelated' lifeform outside! I am taking poetical license to introduce the factor of 'relatedness' . > > > > > > Absolutely loving this perpetuum mobile chat with you -- dear soul, but need to go and continue to put some watches back together or I would not be able to buy an omelette (figuratively speaking!) ;-) > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Phir bhi Manu_shya hi teh na > > > > kahi BHAGWAN, DEVTA, ya PHARISHTA to nahi! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not think they were on a 'power-trip' , so it would be unfair to expect them to have shaken the forest-ful of the Great Unwashed! > > > > > > > > > > A cinema star probably has more power to motivated more people than a Maharshi or Amma or Paramahamsa, even if for a very short time. > > > > > > > > > > That is why gourmet cooking, sweets and desserts are more popular than a 'satwik' bhojan! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these LIONS made big contribution to our society when we needed it the most, and have left their legacy behind which is still honored by many!! So in essence I really have no problem with any of these big Guru's..There are many who benefited from them and continue to follow there footsteps.. > > > > > > But did these Lions ROAR loud enough to shake the entire JUNGLE ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly -- are you implying that Vivekananda or Yogananda or MMY or Rajneesh were all not SERIOUS or SINCERE and came to the WEST under their own Volitional STEAM? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave the RAMAN and RAO out of this for the time being and begin at the beginning! Step by Step can we all embark on the journey of thousand steps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Goods " been sitting on the CLEARANCE rack at 70% off..Just waitin' to be taken by the right buyer and finds out there is a new buyer in town..The buyer has come in a disguise(only the ones with a keen eye recognize him!) as a foreigner and he is hear to take those interested to a FOREIGN LAND.. He says he is here to make an offer, the a best deal at a WHOLE SALE price, and ready to buy the entire stock, which will eventually put the SHARE market, and the BULL'S market to a shame! > > > > > > > > Such an offer some can't resist, and he swears no hidden cost involved!! The asking price is - Give your heart, mind, and soul, and in return you will get everything you ever wanted!! What a deal he's making!! So who is ready to gamble it all? > > > > > > > > I know the PANDAV BROTHERS did it! I am sure we can do it also, if we have the courage!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only offer to others unmolested juicy oranges. They are supposed to learn by doing how to squeeze the juice, Shenoy_jee :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY// > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > What Rohini ji has stated (above) is the essence of Ashtavarga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems is rohini ji writes in riddles (a student of astrology is supposed to have a strong mercury). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In simple terms look at which planets are contributing (and which do not) to those points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 2, 2010 7:13:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > Having more bindus in 12th house is good or bad was well explained with reference to foreign stay..The significance once attached to foreign stay was to leave your home country and going away from near and dear.It can also be that you may go awy in the same country due to various reason but not in a position to involve yourself in the sukh /dukh aspects of kith and kin. > > > > > > > > > > 2.In ashtaka varga system we take into consideration all planets involved together with PAC etc.In the process the bindus might be more to feel as stronger house.it's strength lies as moksha bhava under various circumstances > > > > > > > > > > Both Saturn and Venus being Karaks of 12th house,their strength too needed to be considered.As all of us know saturn as a master emphasises need to devlop by owns efforts and trials.where as venus a creative planet .and easy going loves all good and nice things and comforts.These issues may also influence course of life if more bindus are noticed in 12H .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Does having High Ashtaka varga points for 12th house:: good for Foreign Stay?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just based on the single factor such as SAV or other cumulative bottom-line? No! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that generally when the planets are clustered in a house, the ashtakavarga of certain houses therefrom tend to have high number of positive points! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga is not like a POLL or election where if a certain cluster is high it immediately promises success! Even if for a term ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will leave that tiny wrinkle with you! If you press and iron it well, you may come back with the very answer that you are looking for...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For each astrological indicator, please please PLEASE do not take it in a concrete manner! But really bring out your best faculties and work at it! AstroLOGIC cannot be learned passively by OSMOSIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies if I am rattling your cage of comfort the wrong way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of whether saints or rogues congregate -- Ashtakavarga may not pick on their QUALITATIVE NATUREs! One has got to look at each of those who showed up for the PARTY!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kumar8149 " <kumar8149@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read in many articles that having high Ashtaka Varga points for 12th house, is not desirable. As high points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means more expenses and losses. But 12th house also signifies foreign stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, what should we predict for someone who has high ashtaka varga points in 12th house and is staying in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foreign. Can we predict that foreign stay will be happy or do we predict that there will be losses?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, high ashtaka varga points for 12th house, is something I noticed in my own chart and I am trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand if this is good sign or a bad sign, as I am already living in foreign land. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, let me know how my health would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 8th December 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 3 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth: Chennai, Tamil Nadu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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