Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Not between the Gods but between the followers! But maybe things have gotten better in the last 30 years or so...! Will look up on google as suggested by you. Thanks! RR , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Rohini jee, >  > I understand and is no mistake of yours. You may even have understood it correctly. >  > Some of the words originaly used has a different interpretation than the direct ones. >  > I shall try to illustrate. >  > " kandamadhyasthitaa naadii sushumneti prakiirtita " >  > Meaning : The nadi that is the middle (between) shoulders (center) is called sushumna. >  > " sushumnayaa idaa savye dakshine pingala stitha " >  > Meaning : sushumna is in the left of ida and pingala is in the right side. >  > What you have written is correct (direct translation). But this has a different implication. >  > The word " savya " is not just indicating just left side as is three line are drawn in parallel, But in a spiral shape intervewing each other just like a serpant. >  > Ida is on the left side, Pingala is on the right and sushman goes from left to right in clock wise direction (savya dharana) like brahmins wear their sacred thread. In fact the sacred thread represents this sushumna nadi - worn on the left shoulder to the right side. >  > " prishtamadhyasthitenaasthna viinaadandena suvrita > saha mastakaparyantaM sushumna supratishtita " >  > The nadis that are in the middle of back side (spinal cord?) and sushumna goes upto the Masthaka paryantha (whole of masthaka)- brahmarandra.  Actually there is more to this. >  > Similarly, there is also slight difference in perception in the understanding of these three entities. It is natural to simbolyse them as mother, father &  son. But in fact Sushumna is the energy that bonds them together (bondage) and channelise their energy towards the brahmna randra - sahasrara - moksha and release them from bondage. In a way one can visualse the energy of the moon & sun are taken to the mooladhara and Sushumna takes it the sahasrara and releases both. You can see the influence of 5th house here through the son on an external plane. >  >  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:45 PM > > >  > > > > Shenoy_jee, > > Since we are on PUBLIC CHANNEL, this needs to be resolved or we will leave the kiddies all confused! > > From what I saw/read -- The PINGALA or Surya nadi is to the right of the spinal cord while the IDA or Chandra nadi is to the left of the Sushumna! Hence my original statements were not typos and stand! > > Ma sits to the left of Baba and hence is vamangini! Kid/s sit between parents! > > This obviously has remedial significance (J_R Forum Zindabad!) because of the two hands involved for wearing rings etc! It has nothing to do with being left- or right-handed (just in case some smart-alec kid pops that one in!). > > RR_, > > Please confirm or refute! But clearly :-)) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Rohini jee, > > > > //Surya-Nadi emerges from the sushumnaa on the right side?// > > > > The above must have them be a typing mistake. > > > > I am aware of the system you had mentioned. Ever wonder why Lord Ganesha is depicted as having a long trunk with Amritha Kumbha holding at the tip of the Trunk? So also the Tamil Symbol of Lord subramanya (kartikeya)? > > > > Narayana Sooktha describes it perfectly well. > > > > starting from 'antharbhahischa tatsarvom... ..... " > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 3:54:28 PM > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > >  > > That is what I meant, Shenoy_jee > > > > MA (moon) to the left, BABA (sun) to the right! > > > > Sushumna (Mars; Kartikaya; Ganeshjee) between Ma and Baba! > > > > Always made sense! Thanks for the confirmation! > > > > As to the daughters-Didis (Lakshmi-Saraswati) -- they are destined to leave anyways...! > > > > Someday when you have the interest and time, please read up on the spinal chord and the 2 autonomic nervous systems. > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini jee. > > > > > > It is Ida for Moon (Left side) , Pingala for sun (Right side) & Sushumna for Mars (Center). > > > > > > While Moon is the mother of all other nadis and indicate the " grounds " (intentions, yearning, wishes, dreams - not when one is sleeping) but also require the seed from Sun (creativity, action, initiative). Both these requires the Garbha Patra - the Karma Bhoomi - Kuja (mars - that is born of earth) - agni - the energy that combines the two and tranform into the fruits of labor. > > > > > > Perhaps that is why Mars was made the Karaka of 3rd house - Vikrama sthana - The store of energy(Fire) . > > > > > > The format of anything could be visualised in terms of a triangle without which nothing is complete.    > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 2:48:01 PM > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > >  > > > Shenoy_jee, > > > > > > Is that related to why the " potential " MA is called a Vamangini while the Surya-Nadi emerges from the sushumnaa on the right side? > > > > > > There are some very interesting correlations between the three 'spiritual' nadis with a lot of other life-factors (human experience)! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I missed writing about theÃÆ'‚ Most importantÃÆ'‚ internal dimensionÃÆ'‚ caused by the > > > > > > > > Ida - Pingala - sushumna nadi - related to Moon, Sun ÃÆ'‚ & Mars (agni)ÃÆ'‚ which also is the base of Mantra Sadhana . > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wonder why in the ancient scriptures, Kumara (mars) has been mentioned? > > > > > > > > " agniShomaatmakaast e syuH shivashaktimayaadra ve > > > > yena sambhavamaapannaaH somasyuuraagni ruupiNaH " > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note how the above triangle gets activated by the Mantrasksharas > > > > > > > > " pingalayaam sthitaa hrisva iidayaam samgataaH pare > > > > suShumna madhyagaa gjneyaaschatvaaro ye napumsakaaH " > > > > > > > > which again Moon - Sun & Mercury (napumsaka). > > > > > > > > So you can see the importance of Moon & Sun in every scheme related with Moksha and this is where astrologers should focus than any other singular planetory positions and claim the understanding of Moksha. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 12:54:05 PM > > > > Re: Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear Krishna ji & others > > > > > > > > No wonder you are confused by the comments on " Jeevan Mukti " as below. > > > > > > > > //There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action!// > > > > > > > > It is quite natural. Bhagavath Geetha as well as other scriptures have been misuderstood time & again. > > > > > > > > First of all shree krishna was never a sanyasi but a hard core Karma Yogi, who never sulked from what should be done at appropriate time though he could haveÃÆ'‚ shut his eyes. Otherwise he would not have instigated Arjuna into fighting - to take up arms against injustice and fight, as it is dharma as kshatriya. He could have asked every one to do upavas unto death or go forÃÆ'‚ a long march for collecting salt - but didn't. This is characteristic of Shree KrishnaÃÆ'‚ we should keep in mind when we go through the chapters of Karma Yoga. WithÃÆ'‚ this in backdrop, Shree Krishna showed the difference between a Karma Yogi and Sanyas and why Karma Yoga is better of the two - ButÃÆ'‚ never undermined the other, which you shall understand if you read carefully. He only stated that theÃÆ'‚ path of sanyas is more difficult to achieve for an ordinary man and went on to > describeÃÆ'‚ how that ordinary man could also be in the path > > toÃÆ'‚ " Moksha " ÃÆ'‚ and yet be very much > > > part ofÃÆ'‚ this > > > > meterialistic world by practicing a balance between the two and doing what is expected of himÃÆ'‚ according to his dharma. The path of sanyas has been described saperatly.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Trying to be on right side is not a simple task for the weak with many dilenmistic situations of average life which is the essence of Bhagavatha Geetha as well as of Bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > In reality a person goes through various stages in the spiritual journey. The first step is " Pravajya " which in fact is what the member described. While Pravajya is detachement while being in the middle of this world - this alone does not lead to sanyas which again needÃÆ'‚ not be the endÃÆ'‚ by itself > > > > > > > > So from Ordinary > > > > mundane life -> pravajya -> Sanyas-> Moksha is only one path. > > > > The other could beÃÆ'‚ said to be > > > > Mundane life ->ÃÆ'‚ pravajya + Bhakti marg -> MokshaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Tantra also describes several methods but are mistaken to achieve mystical powers which in fact does not lead to moksha (read Bhagavath Geetha carefully), particularly when misused. > > > > > > > > The word Jeevan Mukti seems to be a new word conjoined due to many getting bored by the old word Moksha or Mukti. > > > > > > > > Again Moksha is not " Self realisation " but Self realisation could lead to Moksha.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > The fact that one must keep in mind is that the whole process - path could take several births and need not be in single birth itself. However Being born as a human being surely is gift of the almighty to realise him. > > > > > > > > Moksha in simple terms is the break from the birth - death cycle which oscilates between the negative & positive numbersÃÆ'‚ ( - 0 +). Pravajya helps to prepare one to stay in that Zero zone. > > > > > > > > Astrology: > > > > > > > > While these are natural process each human life goes through, its ultimate aim being to be one with that central energy - Centrifugal force, Astrology tries to help those in the wrong path to find the correct one, just like a watch dog cirlces around a herd of goats and guides the one straying outside. > > > > > > > > In fact, the role of each enitity :- Matha -> Pita -> Guru -> Daivom is similar. > > > > > > > > Which translates to Moon - Sun - Jupiter - Daivom (Lagna - Self ). > > > > > > > > So unless, Moon, Sun JupiterÃÆ'‚ (and lagna) favours one cannot realise the self. > > > > > > > > This is only one dimension (Triangle) ÃÆ'‚ of this Sree Chakra. The second Triangle is the Lagna - 5th - 8th house - which isÃÆ'‚ chaithanya. > > > > > > > > The association between the three (1st / 5th / 8th lords)ÃÆ'‚ is very significant and the association of the 4th in the lagna kendra indicates the association of Mind (moon). > > > > > > > > When two triangles are conjoined together it becomes a whole star. (not to mention several such triangles constituting the Shree Chakra). > > > > > > > > The path of Moksha is also described as Vyahrithis - BhooH - BhvaH-ÃÆ'‚ SwaHÃÆ'‚ or The Saptha Vyahrithis - Indicating the Seven Chakras of the body - The Seventh being the Sahasrara, the path to the Sun which is indicated by the Rahu- Ketu axis - The path of Kundalini > > > > > > > > The Hora of Moon & Sun are nothing but the Ida & Pingala Nadis that consititute the Path of Kundalini Power that should be awakened for one to achieve Moksha - to reach the Sahasrara. So you can see why the orientation of planets in these horas are given a special importance. Similarly other vargas also has a stake in this scheme. In nut shell the Varga strength indicates as gopuramsa, paraavatamsa, devalokamasa etc plays an important role in the process of self realisation and Moksha. > > > > > > > > From the above it is very evident that though one has read and understood the mechanism, he need not achieve it simply because body or mind is not tuned this time. But persistance leads to such a state. That is where the teachings of Bhagavath Geetha etc gains importance, particularly the above. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > It is immeterial whether one chooses the path without consulting Astrology or not. The alignment of Planets will be right for the right person at the right time for him to achieve it. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Sat, February 6, 2010 9:41:16 PM > > > > Re: Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Is jeevan mukti?is the same thing what we r conveying.In fact I got confused with the observations made. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > > > > I am going to use it many times,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path.. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Namaskaaram Shenoy_dada, Thank you very much for taking the time to write in such details. I did realize that the nadis are not placed as railway tracks (three tracks in this case) but are spirals. This is not my domain, I not being a tantrik, but I believe I have read (in Johari's books and the kundali experience autobiography by ?Gopi krishan?? jee, the latter a very very long time ago.) that the surya nadi (Pingala) arises from the right and then spirals and ida/ira from the left. The " dakshiney pingala " quoted by you also indicates that it is to the right (dakshin hasta is right hand, vama is left). Johari also mentions if memory serves correctly that when the right nostril turbinates are open and breath dominantly flows through the right nostril, Pingala or surya nadi is active and when breath flows through the left, the cooling effect if ida is felt. Some have associated the ida and pingala with the sympathetic and parasympathetic, but let me not bore you. Just as an interesting aside, since I have lived more than half of my life in regions where the climate is like Siberia during winter (nearly 5-6 months each year, with many days with temperature lower than -20 C and often in the dangerous -40 C zone with wind chill --although with advancing age, they seem to be longer and longer!), I tried a simple trick once taught to me by someone. It involves, forcing the breath to mover through the right nostril and some other details. This generates a feeling of warmth and makes Mother Nature's Cold Caress a bit bearable! But let us not pursue this topic which has no relation with this forum. WARM Regards :-), Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Rohini jee, >  > I understand and is no mistake of yours. You may even have understood it correctly. >  > Some of the words originaly used has a different interpretation than the direct ones. >  > I shall try to illustrate. >  > " kandamadhyasthitaa naadii sushumneti prakiirtita " >  > Meaning : The nadi that is the middle (between) shoulders (center) is called sushumna. >  > " sushumnayaa idaa savye dakshine pingala stitha " >  > Meaning : sushumna is in the left of ida and pingala is in the right side. >  > What you have written is correct (direct translation). But this has a different implication. >  > The word " savya " is not just indicating just left side as is three line are drawn in parallel, But in a spiral shape intervewing each other just like a serpant. >  > Ida is on the left side, Pingala is on the right and sushman goes from left to right in clock wise direction (savya dharana) like brahmins wear their sacred thread. In fact the sacred thread represents this sushumna nadi - worn on the left shoulder to the right side. >  > " prishtamadhyasthitenaasthna viinaadandena suvrita > saha mastakaparyantaM sushumna supratishtita " >  > The nadis that are in the middle of back side (spinal cord?) and sushumna goes upto the Masthaka paryantha (whole of masthaka)- brahmarandra.  Actually there is more to this. >  > Similarly, there is also slight difference in perception in the understanding of these three entities. It is natural to simbolyse them as mother, father &  son. But in fact Sushumna is the energy that bonds them together (bondage) and channelise their energy towards the brahmna randra - sahasrara - moksha and release them from bondage. In a way one can visualse the energy of the moon & sun are taken to the mooladhara and Sushumna takes it the sahasrara and releases both. You can see the influence of 5th house here through the son on an external plane. >  >  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Sun, 2/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:45 PM > > >  > > > > Shenoy_jee, > > Since we are on PUBLIC CHANNEL, this needs to be resolved or we will leave the kiddies all confused! > > From what I saw/read -- The PINGALA or Surya nadi is to the right of the spinal cord while the IDA or Chandra nadi is to the left of the Sushumna! Hence my original statements were not typos and stand! > > Ma sits to the left of Baba and hence is vamangini! Kid/s sit between parents! > > This obviously has remedial significance (J_R Forum Zindabad!) because of the two hands involved for wearing rings etc! It has nothing to do with being left- or right-handed (just in case some smart-alec kid pops that one in!). > > RR_, > > Please confirm or refute! But clearly :-)) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Rohini jee, > > > > //Surya-Nadi emerges from the sushumnaa on the right side?// > > > > The above must have them be a typing mistake. > > > > I am aware of the system you had mentioned. Ever wonder why Lord Ganesha is depicted as having a long trunk with Amritha Kumbha holding at the tip of the Trunk? So also the Tamil Symbol of Lord subramanya (kartikeya)? > > > > Narayana Sooktha describes it perfectly well. > > > > starting from 'antharbhahischa tatsarvom... ..... " > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 3:54:28 PM > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > >  > > That is what I meant, Shenoy_jee > > > > MA (moon) to the left, BABA (sun) to the right! > > > > Sushumna (Mars; Kartikaya; Ganeshjee) between Ma and Baba! > > > > Always made sense! Thanks for the confirmation! > > > > As to the daughters-Didis (Lakshmi-Saraswati) -- they are destined to leave anyways...! > > > > Someday when you have the interest and time, please read up on the spinal chord and the 2 autonomic nervous systems. > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini jee. > > > > > > It is Ida for Moon (Left side) , Pingala for sun (Right side) & Sushumna for Mars (Center). > > > > > > While Moon is the mother of all other nadis and indicate the " grounds " (intentions, yearning, wishes, dreams - not when one is sleeping) but also require the seed from Sun (creativity, action, initiative). Both these requires the Garbha Patra - the Karma Bhoomi - Kuja (mars - that is born of earth) - agni - the energy that combines the two and tranform into the fruits of labor. > > > > > > Perhaps that is why Mars was made the Karaka of 3rd house - Vikrama sthana - The store of energy(Fire) . > > > > > > The format of anything could be visualised in terms of a triangle without which nothing is complete.    > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 2:48:01 PM > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > >  > > > Shenoy_jee, > > > > > > Is that related to why the " potential " MA is called a Vamangini while the Surya-Nadi emerges from the sushumnaa on the right side? > > > > > > There are some very interesting correlations between the three 'spiritual' nadis with a lot of other life-factors (human experience)! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I missed writing about theÃÆ'‚ Most importantÃÆ'‚ internal dimensionÃÆ'‚ caused by the > > > > > > > > Ida - Pingala - sushumna nadi - related to Moon, Sun ÃÆ'‚ & Mars (agni)ÃÆ'‚ which also is the base of Mantra Sadhana . > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever wonder why in the ancient scriptures, Kumara (mars) has been mentioned? > > > > > > > > " agniShomaatmakaast e syuH shivashaktimayaadra ve > > > > yena sambhavamaapannaaH somasyuuraagni ruupiNaH " > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note how the above triangle gets activated by the Mantrasksharas > > > > > > > > " pingalayaam sthitaa hrisva iidayaam samgataaH pare > > > > suShumna madhyagaa gjneyaaschatvaaro ye napumsakaaH " > > > > > > > > which again Moon - Sun & Mercury (napumsaka). > > > > > > > > So you can see the importance of Moon & Sun in every scheme related with Moksha and this is where astrologers should focus than any other singular planetory positions and claim the understanding of Moksha. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sun, February 7, 2010 12:54:05 PM > > > > Re: Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Dear Krishna ji & others > > > > > > > > No wonder you are confused by the comments on " Jeevan Mukti " as below. > > > > > > > > //There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action!// > > > > > > > > It is quite natural. Bhagavath Geetha as well as other scriptures have been misuderstood time & again. > > > > > > > > First of all shree krishna was never a sanyasi but a hard core Karma Yogi, who never sulked from what should be done at appropriate time though he could haveÃÆ'‚ shut his eyes. Otherwise he would not have instigated Arjuna into fighting - to take up arms against injustice and fight, as it is dharma as kshatriya. He could have asked every one to do upavas unto death or go forÃÆ'‚ a long march for collecting salt - but didn't. This is characteristic of Shree KrishnaÃÆ'‚ we should keep in mind when we go through the chapters of Karma Yoga. WithÃÆ'‚ this in backdrop, Shree Krishna showed the difference between a Karma Yogi and Sanyas and why Karma Yoga is better of the two - ButÃÆ'‚ never undermined the other, which you shall understand if you read carefully. He only stated that theÃÆ'‚ path of sanyas is more difficult to achieve for an ordinary man and went on to > describeÃÆ'‚ how that ordinary man could also be in the path > > toÃÆ'‚ " Moksha " ÃÆ'‚ and yet be very much > > > part ofÃÆ'‚ this > > > > meterialistic world by practicing a balance between the two and doing what is expected of himÃÆ'‚ according to his dharma. The path of sanyas has been described saperatly.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Trying to be on right side is not a simple task for the weak with many dilenmistic situations of average life which is the essence of Bhagavatha Geetha as well as of Bhagavatha. > > > > > > > > In reality a person goes through various stages in the spiritual journey. The first step is " Pravajya " which in fact is what the member described. While Pravajya is detachement while being in the middle of this world - this alone does not lead to sanyas which again needÃÆ'‚ not be the endÃÆ'‚ by itself > > > > > > > > So from Ordinary > > > > mundane life -> pravajya -> Sanyas-> Moksha is only one path. > > > > The other could beÃÆ'‚ said to be > > > > Mundane life ->ÃÆ'‚ pravajya + Bhakti marg -> MokshaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Tantra also describes several methods but are mistaken to achieve mystical powers which in fact does not lead to moksha (read Bhagavath Geetha carefully), particularly when misused. > > > > > > > > The word Jeevan Mukti seems to be a new word conjoined due to many getting bored by the old word Moksha or Mukti. > > > > > > > > Again Moksha is not " Self realisation " but Self realisation could lead to Moksha.ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > The fact that one must keep in mind is that the whole process - path could take several births and need not be in single birth itself. However Being born as a human being surely is gift of the almighty to realise him. > > > > > > > > Moksha in simple terms is the break from the birth - death cycle which oscilates between the negative & positive numbersÃÆ'‚ ( - 0 +). Pravajya helps to prepare one to stay in that Zero zone. > > > > > > > > Astrology: > > > > > > > > While these are natural process each human life goes through, its ultimate aim being to be one with that central energy - Centrifugal force, Astrology tries to help those in the wrong path to find the correct one, just like a watch dog cirlces around a herd of goats and guides the one straying outside. > > > > > > > > In fact, the role of each enitity :- Matha -> Pita -> Guru -> Daivom is similar. > > > > > > > > Which translates to Moon - Sun - Jupiter - Daivom (Lagna - Self ). > > > > > > > > So unless, Moon, Sun JupiterÃÆ'‚ (and lagna) favours one cannot realise the self. > > > > > > > > This is only one dimension (Triangle) ÃÆ'‚ of this Sree Chakra. The second Triangle is the Lagna - 5th - 8th house - which isÃÆ'‚ chaithanya. > > > > > > > > The association between the three (1st / 5th / 8th lords)ÃÆ'‚ is very significant and the association of the 4th in the lagna kendra indicates the association of Mind (moon). > > > > > > > > When two triangles are conjoined together it becomes a whole star. (not to mention several such triangles constituting the Shree Chakra). > > > > > > > > The path of Moksha is also described as Vyahrithis - BhooH - BhvaH-ÃÆ'‚ SwaHÃÆ'‚ or The Saptha Vyahrithis - Indicating the Seven Chakras of the body - The Seventh being the Sahasrara, the path to the Sun which is indicated by the Rahu- Ketu axis - The path of Kundalini > > > > > > > > The Hora of Moon & Sun are nothing but the Ida & Pingala Nadis that consititute the Path of Kundalini Power that should be awakened for one to achieve Moksha - to reach the Sahasrara. So you can see why the orientation of planets in these horas are given a special importance. Similarly other vargas also has a stake in this scheme. In nut shell the Varga strength indicates as gopuramsa, paraavatamsa, devalokamasa etc plays an important role in the process of self realisation and Moksha. > > > > > > > > From the above it is very evident that though one has read and understood the mechanism, he need not achieve it simply because body or mind is not tuned this time. But persistance leads to such a state. That is where the teachings of Bhagavath Geetha etc gains importance, particularly the above. ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > It is immeterial whether one chooses the path without consulting Astrology or not. The alignment of Planets will be right for the right person at the right time for him to achieve it. > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Sat, February 6, 2010 9:41:16 PM > > > > Re: Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Is jeevan mukti?is the same thing what we r conveying.In fact I got confused with the observations made. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 10:37 AM > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > > > > I am going to use it many times,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path.. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Dear Chaudhary Ji, I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. Lilly , " chaudhuri.krishnendu " <krishnenduchdhr wrote: > > Dear Lilly > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda,Sri Ramana Maharshi > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > Swami Vivekananda,Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciation of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > And Pradeepji > > I agree with Rohinijee. > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > Lilly > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > Guruji, > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > >  Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > >  > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections.. Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > Regards > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! Lilly , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > Lilly > > , " chaudhuri.krishnendu " <krishnenduchdhr@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda,Sri Ramana Maharshi > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > Swami Vivekananda,Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciation of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > >  Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections.. Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > Lilly > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnendu " <krishnenduchdhr@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda,Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > Swami Vivekananda,Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciation of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > >  Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections.. Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Forget about mixing apples & rings.  Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ?  What one throws up straight comes back to you. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM  Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > Lilly > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > >  Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 But of course Shenoy_dada! ;-) RR , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Forget about mixing apples & rings. >  > Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ? >  > What one throws up straight comes back to you. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM > > >  > > > > Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? > > Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? > > Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > > > Lilly > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Krishnendu_jee, You perhaps did and hence went silent. But the Signal to Noise ratio is still low, hence I feel the need to repeat and elaborate, if you and others do not mind! It is not that we (humanity) had been deprived of Divine presences and Messiahs and Awataars and Gurus and so on... But while they were alive and *tangible* the great unwashed simply remained dubious and sceptical. I am not talking of the relatively puny gurus and acharyaas who claimed to change the world over the last 50-100 years but even longer! Take for instance Christianity. A rather STRONG and dominant religion worldwide whether you like it or not or accept it or not. It did not really come to fruition until after Christ died! I just wish to draw your attention to this curious nature of human mentality! We would rather bring out our DEEP-WELLING over BHAKTI when we see a picture of Christ or Mary bleeding or a Ganesha Murthi in Stone pouring out milk or similar instances but not trust the human messenger sent by God! Maybe God does not really GET IT! Maybe there is something very intrinsically infantile within all of us, something very aboriginal, still holding on to the MAGICAL THINKING that infants are supposed to shed and outgrow from! We would rather wait for some miracle, some magic, rather than pay attention to the words and wisdom that already exist and continue to remain available! God TRULY does not get it! Neither do most of us...! Rohiniranajan , " chaudhuri.krishnendu " <krishnenduchdhr wrote: > > Dear Rohinijee > > Understood your point. > Often the six bad boys change HE to I. > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Krishnendu_jee, > > > > The ULTIMATE PROOF of TRUTH is simply SILENCE! > > > > All of us ARRIVE only when we VANISH and are lost forever! > > > > Until then those that we speak to, simply continue to shake their heads or hold their heads and pray that we vanish! > > > > When we vanish -- they want us back! > > > > Once they realise that it is not about us but THEIR desire to control REALITY -- we all can BE FREE! > > > > In the meantime WE can work on our karma and leave before they do! > > > > Did I 'sum-it-up' nicely for all of US? > > > > RR_, > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnendu " <krishnenduchdhr@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda,Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > Swami Vivekananda,Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciation of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > >  Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections.. Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I can vouch for that! When I truly wanted something from the bottom of my heart, with deep intensity, I have got it! So miracles do happen, as it happened in my life. Lilly , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Forget about mixing apples & rings. >  > Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ? >  > What one throws up straight comes back to you. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM > > >  > > > > Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? > > Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? > > Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > > > Lilly > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 We all here already know that you are Unique, Lilly! :-) Now, how do you transfer your blessings and learnings to others ...? I am being presumptive of course in assuming that that is what you wish to do ....! RR , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > I can vouch for that! When I truly wanted something from the bottom of my heart, with deep intensity, I have got it! So miracles do happen, as it happened in my life. > > > Lilly > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Forget about mixing apples & rings. > >  > > Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ? > >  > > What one throws up straight comes back to you. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? > > > > Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? > > > > Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > > > > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > > > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Are you making fun of me on this public forum, RR Ji? Am I the laughing stock for everyone on this group! All I wanted to do was share me life experience, and so far I have been anything less than an open book. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > We all here already know that you are Unique, Lilly! :-) > > Now, how do you transfer your blessings and learnings to others ...? > > I am being presumptive of course in assuming that that is what you wish to do ....! > > RR > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > I can vouch for that! When I truly wanted something from the bottom of my heart, with deep intensity, I have got it! So miracles do happen, as it happened in my life. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Forget about mixing apples & rings. > > >  > > > Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ? > > >  > > > What one throws up straight comes back to you. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? > > > > > > Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? > > > > > > Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > > > > > > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > > > > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > > > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 No LIlly, you should not feel sensitive at all. I am not 'making fun' or 'pulling your leg'. You are much younger than me, based on the birthdata you posted here, so the question of making fun does not arise at all. Now ponder on the next statement of yours. How can you share with others a very deep experience and yet state that you have been anything less than an open book? I think you have shared openly, even if we do not know your name or other less meaningful details which do not mean anything on the internet. Lot of people use pseudonyms, handles, and so on. Yet a lot gets shared. Since you were signing your messages as 'Amma' and calling others 'Bachchaas' etc, it was natural to assume that you wish to teach and guide others. So my question was not at all inappropriate! Won't you agree?? Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Are you making fun of me on this public forum, RR Ji? > Am I the laughing stock for everyone on this group! All I wanted to do was share me life experience, and so far I have been anything less than an open book. > > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > We all here already know that you are Unique, Lilly! :-) > > > > Now, how do you transfer your blessings and learnings to others ...? > > > > I am being presumptive of course in assuming that that is what you wish to do ...! > > > > RR > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > I can vouch for that! When I truly wanted something from the bottom of my heart, with deep intensity, I have got it! So miracles do happen, as it happened in my life. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Forget about mixing apples & rings. > > > >  > > > > Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ? > > > >  > > > > What one throws up straight comes back to you. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? > > > > > > > > Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? > > > > > > > > Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > > > > > > > > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > > > > > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > > > > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > > > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > > > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > > > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > > > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > > > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > > > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > > > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Oh, I am hardly a teacher.. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > No LIlly, you should not feel sensitive at all. I am not 'making fun' or 'pulling your leg'. You are much younger than me, based on the birthdata you posted here, so the question of making fun does not arise at all. > > Now ponder on the next statement of yours. How can you share with others a very deep experience and yet state that you have been anything less than an open book? I think you have shared openly, even if we do not know your name or other less meaningful details which do not mean anything on the internet. Lot of people use pseudonyms, handles, and so on. Yet a lot gets shared. > > Since you were signing your messages as 'Amma' and calling others 'Bachchaas' etc, it was natural to assume that you wish to teach and guide others. So my question was not at all inappropriate! Won't you agree?? > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > Are you making fun of me on this public forum, RR Ji? > > Am I the laughing stock for everyone on this group! All I wanted to do was share me life experience, and so far I have been anything less than an open book. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > We all here already know that you are Unique, Lilly! :-) > > > > > > Now, how do you transfer your blessings and learnings to others ...? > > > > > > I am being presumptive of course in assuming that that is what you wish to do ...! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I can vouch for that! When I truly wanted something from the bottom of my heart, with deep intensity, I have got it! So miracles do happen, as it happened in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Forget about mixing apples & rings. > > > > >  > > > > > Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ? > > > > >  > > > > > What one throws up straight comes back to you. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? > > > > > > > > > > Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? > > > > > > > > > > Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > > > > > > > > > > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > > > > > > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > > > > > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > > > > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > > > > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > > > > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > > > > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > > > > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > > > > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > > > > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 We know! But we have so many expectations...! , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > Oh, I am hardly a teacher.. > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > No LIlly, you should not feel sensitive at all. I am not 'making fun' or 'pulling your leg'. You are much younger than me, based on the birthdata you posted here, so the question of making fun does not arise at all. > > > > Now ponder on the next statement of yours. How can you share with others a very deep experience and yet state that you have been anything less than an open book? I think you have shared openly, even if we do not know your name or other less meaningful details which do not mean anything on the internet. Lot of people use pseudonyms, handles, and so on. Yet a lot gets shared. > > > > Since you were signing your messages as 'Amma' and calling others 'Bachchaas' etc, it was natural to assume that you wish to teach and guide others. So my question was not at all inappropriate! Won't you agree?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Are you making fun of me on this public forum, RR Ji? > > > Am I the laughing stock for everyone on this group! All I wanted to do was share me life experience, and so far I have been anything less than an open book. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > We all here already know that you are Unique, Lilly! :-) > > > > > > > > Now, how do you transfer your blessings and learnings to others ...? > > > > > > > > I am being presumptive of course in assuming that that is what you wish to do ...! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I can vouch for that! When I truly wanted something from the bottom of my heart, with deep intensity, I have got it! So miracles do happen, as it happened in my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Forget about mixing apples & rings. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Know anything about what would happen when one prays with such " Bhavana " ? > > > > > >  > > > > > > What one throws up straight comes back to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/9/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't you mixing apples and gold-rings, Lilly? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do Gods have four ashrams as well, ending up with Sanyaas? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why use Columbia Shuttle as an example when we are trying to figure out what a bicycle should do or be like ...? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You want an example of a real SANYASI---LORD SHANKAR/MAHADEV! > > > > > > > No one come even close to him in comparison, and even he managed to have a grihasti with Ma Parvati and son Ganesha & Kartikeya! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chaudhary Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you did not misunderstand my post, and my meaning of SANYASI, which was really meant to be understood in a broader perspective! By the way I have nothing against SANYASI leaders! > > > > > > > > Some see the world as an active participant, while others see it as a detached observer! Some see the forest, and others ONLY see the tree! But, both use the same organ to " see " . But, I have also heard that these " EYES " are the most deceptive organs of all that we have..Perception is reality, as many have said before! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I live 2 hours away from SWAMI VIVEKANAND ASHRAM and had a chance to spend some time in that ashram..In fact, that whole town is dedicated to him and the followers of RAMAKRISHNA mission..So I am totally familiar with SANYASI life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " chaudhuri.krishnen du " <krishnenduchdhr@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though I am a silent member of this group still your term REAL SANYASI! forced me to say something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all Himalayan yogis,Ramakrishna Mission monks spiritual giants and > > > > > > > > > watchtowers like Swami Sivananda,Swami Vivekananda, Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > > and many more " UNREAL SANYASIS " ? > > > > > > > > > I dont know where are you from but here in india the very word " SANYAS " is very sacred to indian spiritual seekers or aspirants.The word " Sanyas " is for " ABSOLUTE RENUNCIATION " .Nothing more nothing less. > > > > > > > > > I would have not said anything had it not been the word " Sanyas " .It instills a divine wave in the minds of us indians. > > > > > > > > > I am from Kolkata(West Bengal) and you can enquire the strong lineage of Sanyasis it has produced from time immemorial. > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda, Swami Yogananda,Swami Abhedananda and all the 13 first monks of Ramakrishna order and many more.There is only one " sanyas " -Renunciati on of everything for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Pradeepji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Rohinijee. > > > > > > > > > When your time for Sanyas will come(which can only come by simply GRACE OF GOD)all these horoscopic analysis will seem to you " curiousness satisfying fluctuations of the mind " . > > > > > > > > > Do whatever sadhana you are doing right now.God will surely reward you at the right time.This is not that I am saying but this is an universal truth and has happened since the existence of this universe. > > > > > > > > > The holy scriptures testify that truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many in this world who are spiritually inclined, but have obligations of grahasti life at the same time..So, is it not possible to live in a household and perform our duties, maintain relations, and while being a karma_yogi, remain MENTALLY DETACHED to everyone, and everything, including our own actions...That to me is a REAL SANYASI! I think that is where our real TEST shows up! Even in the holy GITA, it says to do our duty and not to worry about the FRUITS of our action! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > > > Best AnsweRR. > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to use it many times, shall quote your name but don't trouble me with copyright. > > > > > > > > > > >  Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 5 February, 2010 3:25:25 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Self Realisation - astro indicators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep_jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My sincere advice to you would be to not rely too much on your horoscope to determine if you should embark on the path of Jeevan-Mukti, self-realization or embracing sanyaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chronicles and confession books are full of accounts of Sanyaasis who launched themselves on absolutely the MOST DIFFICULT PATH in human experience and sadly experienced personally what every Australian Native knows: Boomrang! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Horoscopes in general may indicate or hint at the possibility of leaning towards sanyaas etc, it does not assure success in that domain. Not in all cases. One cannot adopt the 'risk benefit analysis', that we use so often in worldly domain, before launching ourselves on the spiritual path. It is not like some stock market tip that you utilize before investing or checking the weather report before embarking on a voyage, all the time hoping and praying that the SEER who gave you such advice was right! Such a delicate environment of Gelly-like TrUsT can only lead to confusion and in some cases irreparable disasters (in the sense of one lifetime and not the longer run of the SOUL!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you may be feeling that I am a non-supporter in this venture of yours, but while I am willing to wish you Bon Voyage, for your good-self's sake, I wish to remind you to go ahead with the proper information and understanding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While not absolutely and always true, Sanyaas or Spiritual Path must never become a PLAN B in one's life just because other things (generally worldly) are not working out. It is not a way out, but an invitation that when it truly arrives is impossible to miss! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards and with kind wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " pradeep0890 " <psd1955@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This chart looks like it promises jeevan mukti!!!?!!! !. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has meena lagna with Exalted Retrograde Guru in 2 degrees in Kataka. His Guru maha dasa is ending in DEC 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both from moon and lagna 12th House has connection with exalted planets. His 1st and 12th H Lords are also exalted. This person is very much spiritually inclined and wants to venture on intense tapas in a holy town in south India. He is not interested in formal sanyas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1st, 5th and 9th have benefic planets. Also the 9th from the 9th from both lagna and the moon have exalted connections. . Possibly could this be a chart of a potential Jeevan Mukta? Also does 8th House here promise the aquisition of hidden Mystic powers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If needed the chart details are given below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Male born in 76E18 and 10N00 on 13/01/1955 at 1142am approx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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