Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda 11/02

February 11, 2010

Makar Navamsa ............. in Dhanu ?

Do you know that Mesha, Singh and Dhanu don't have Makar Navamsa.

Pls be open to accept the truth, truth remains alive not the lie, you

also know it.

If you trully have Ram Krishna Bhatt's book, re-open it.

regards,

Utkal

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Utkal/lalit

>

> pl read the lines carefully

>

> .../// it shows 2 pages with the wonderful swami with the

> deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of venus in

> ascendant and Capricorn (even when it exists in navamsha!).. ...//

>

> RRji felt even a Makara Navamsa can give such features as he has given

the local time a lot of importance here as well like others

>

> for the record try

> FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES IN ASTROLOGY By M RAMAKRISHNA BHATT

> MLBDG will give u features, complexion etc based on D9 of

Lagna/chandra.

>

> MERELY HARPING ON A SELECTIVE or convenient line won't help and above

all ppl like raman ji would have examined all these. there r cases where

he differed with establised ones and has explained why he differed with

a lot of explaination

>

> but they had lived a far better life than us in the company of many

enlightened souls, good background inthe vedic tradition, shastras

unlike any make belive or self proclaiming ppl. all that we have is

respect for the ppl said above u cud have also earned some of them but

for ur single minded goal of denigration all works of rishies, past

great astrologers and the present ones, ur hatred starting with the mud

slinging campaign over Pt. r dakshinamurthy ji has just swelled to

include many as they keep increasing....

> Pt Rd may have some faults but was surely well read, good in his work.

apart from what u disliked so r all the paid astrologers been targeted

alike but he had more knowledge , next we can find PV Narshima rao ji

who has added this to his repertoire.

>

> most of them r humble, simple ppl

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

/database?method=reportRow\

s & tbl=6

>

> ________________________________

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi

>

> Thu, February 11, 2010 1:50:47 AM

> Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda

>

> Rohini Ji,

>

> Thanks for making the astro world aware of Swami Ji's birth time which

> is 6.49 am, It's given in several books published by Sri RamKrishna

> Mission.

>

> Earlier, you gave only ISBN no of the book, therefore, I had

difficulty

> in locating it,, but today after speaking to an authority of Sri

> Ramkrishna Mission collected other books giving light on Swami

> Vivekananda' s birth time, in the mean time, you already uploaded

scanned

> copy.

>

> When, I first looked at Swami Ji's dhanu lagna chart, I found abysmal

> gap between his life and his chart, I had no supportive document to

> uphold my understanding, but, divine urge kept me moving in right

> direction and within a short span of time I have more then sufficient

> documents.

>

> It's strange that so called astro scholars ignored the fact of Swami

> ji's life and kept drumming at dhanu lagna, these guy's don't do self

> study and begin teaching to others.

>

> I will be writing in detail on Swami Ji's life and birth time on

> thursday evening.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > This forum, obviously due to space constraints, cannot allow higher

> resolution scans to be accepted by the files area. So I uploaded a

lower

> res scan because the first ones bounced back.

> >

> > What looks like a 19 in the birthminutes is 49. I am not going to

> waste my time in rescanning! If you want a higher res scan (~1.5-2MB)

> please send private email using the forum email send-mail option and I

> will send it to you (it shows 2 pages with the wonderful swami with

the

> deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of venus in

> ascendant and capricorn (even when it exists in navamsha!).. .)

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Greetings!

> > >

> > > I have a book titled: Vivekanda The Yoga and Other Works, Chosen

and

> with a biography by Swami Nikhilananda Published by the

> Ramakrishna- Vivekananda Center, New York, ISBN-0-911206- 04-3, pub.

> September 11, 1953 (interesting date!), 3rd printing 1984.

> > >

> > > Unless the publishers decided to 'doctor' the data, not sure why

> they would -- and I purchase this book from an authentic Ramakrishna

> Ashram

> > > outlet, I would tend to believe this! A scan of the relevant page

is

> being uploaded to the files area. Please arrive at your own

conclusion!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members

> > > >

> > > > here is a reply from true scholar, with more detail on what we

> have been saying

> > > >

> > > > that B V RAMAN ji, KN RAO ji and rishies who lived, practiced

the

> vedic way of life with more dedication, devotion than us for decades

if

> not more and surely their care, helping nature would have added more

> intuition from the DIVINE than a mere claimant to it with so much

vanity

> than vidya

> > > >

> > > > if he progresses we surely will compliment him but is rather

going

> down the PATHALA route.

> > > >

> > > > we wish him well still. hope his mother guides him here..

> > > >

> > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > >

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow \

> s & tbl=6

> > > >

> > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > > kn_rao@; Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>; Deepak

> Bisaria <deepakbisaria@ >; Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> ; Lalit

Mishra

> <mishra.lalit@ >; knrastro@; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr108@>

> > > > Cc: jyotishi55@; aavesh t <aavesh_s@>; Mee Shuba Vela

<pkgoteti@>;

> praspandey@; Ajitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadi@ >

> > > > Tue, February 9, 2010 12:38:16 AM

> > > > Re: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Lalit and others,

> > > >

> > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived

> With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri

> Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book

> for an interesting Jyotish research.

> > > >

> > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s

birthtime

> is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami

> Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That

book

> clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " .

> > > >

> > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone

> actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain

> common sense to me.

> > > >

> > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna

and

> not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an

> obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > > appealing to you.

> > > >

> > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to

> those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a

> hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the

goal

> of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover

topics

> related to visions.

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651

> > > >

> > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much

difference

> between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481

> of gives a small account of a few of my

> experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me:

> > > >

> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very

> hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent

> person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can

> understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet,

> it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings

in

> this knowledge of rishis.

> > > >

> > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of

knowledge

> I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, arrogance and

> self-importance you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati

> vinayam!

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri

Tarpana:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri

tings

> > > >

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ >

> > > > > Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth Time

&

> Lagna !!

> > > > > " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ >, knrastro@, kn_rao@,

> " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar@> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashek har@>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr108@>,

" Narasimha

> P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s@>, jyotishi55@, " Ajitkumar Benadi "

> <ajitbenadi@ >, praspandey@, " Mee Shuba Vela " <pkgoteti@>

> > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM

> > > > > It's a day that

> > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know

> > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for

> > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda,

> > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only.

> > > > >

> > > > > This was third time,I visited

> > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I

> > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's

> > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit

> > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math,

> > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of

> > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will

> > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi

> > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a

> > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and

> > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying -

> > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri

> > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of

> > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I

> > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am,

> > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice -

> > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I

> > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and

> > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time

> > > > > to your followers.

> > > > >

> > > > > The great divine mother has finally

> > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath

> > > > > dharmi narrow minded world.

> > > > > When God is with a person, he can

> > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to

> > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd

> > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their

> > > > > end.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's said that - " Jin

> > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah

> > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " .

> > > > >

> > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > > appealing to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > >

February 11, 2010

Lalit, Utkal

sorry I meant the Venus in navamsa by reading the last line of the said msg, a

mistake i admit as even to do that I had to check the chart and then comment. I

did not mean the lagna as all fiery signs end at fiery signs for that matter all

the elements of each Lagna start and end in their elements pcan't be missed

even in our sleep]

and the point was abt LMT too in the same msg where it comes closer to what BVR

ji has said . his NOTABLE HOROSCOPES GIVES 267 ODD deg so with raman's ayanamsa

ahead by 1d 23' 26 " already......

as may have already said the needed in better detail on the Dhanru subject,

people far equiped than anyone of us here, we must accept it there and move on

in a way I agree with what PVN JI, CHANDRASHEKAR JI TOO HAVE SAID.

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

________________________________

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Thu, February 11, 2010 9:43:32 PM

Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda 11/02

Makar Navamsa ............ . in Dhanu ?

Do you know that Mesha, Singh and Dhanu don't have Makar Navamsa.

Pls be open to accept the truth, truth remains alive not the lie, you

also know it.

If you trully have Ram Krishna Bhatt's book, re-open it.

regards,

Utkal

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Utkal/lalit

>

> pl read the lines carefully

>

> .../// it shows 2 pages with the wonderful swami with the

> deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of venus in

> ascendant and Capricorn (even when it exists in navamsha!).. ...//

>

> RRji felt even a Makara Navamsa can give such features as he has given

the local time a lot of importance here as well like others

>

> for the record try

> FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES IN ASTROLOGY By M RAMAKRISHNA BHATT

> MLBDG will give u features, complexion etc based on D9 of

Lagna/chandra.

>

> MERELY HARPING ON A SELECTIVE or convenient line won't help and above

all ppl like raman ji would have examined all these. there r cases where

he differed with establised ones and has explained why he differed with

a lot of explaination

>

> but they had lived a far better life than us in the company of many

enlightened souls, good background inthe vedic tradition, shastras

unlike any make belive or self proclaiming ppl. all that we have is

respect for the ppl said above u cud have also earned some of them but

for ur single minded goal of denigration all works of rishies, past

great astrologers and the present ones, ur hatred starting with the mud

slinging campaign over Pt. r dakshinamurthy ji has just swelled to

include many as they keep increasing.. ..

> Pt Rd may have some faults but was surely well read, good in his work.

apart from what u disliked so r all the paid astrologers been targeted

alike but he had more knowledge , next we can find PV Narshima rao ji

who has added this to his repertoire.

>

> most of them r humble, simple ppl

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow \

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...