Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda 13/2

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Dear RRji,

 

wELL THE Mutt's use of diff data is surely a casual approach to the life of a

great Soul, and when raman ji used one of the tow sure he cud have had the same

info too else wud have modified it to suit the picture he saw as lalit is doing

now. and raman has done in mnay cases shift the lagna, esp ones that change due

to ayanamsa

 

well in my case too my chandra changes by ayanasa

 

 

G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

 

Fri, February 12, 2010 11:46:28 PM

Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda

 

 

Kumarji,

 

This is not a good justification to use the time that BVR used :-)

He was simply using FC Dutta's data which is neither here nor there!

 

What is interesting is WHY is Ramakrishna Ashram or representatives giving two

different times in their publications, and attributing both to Nikhilananda!

 

So the mystery of Swamiji continues! He never cared much about astrology and

astrologers and must be having a big laugh right now at all of us. Maybe His

soul is in Haiti right now, helping the people pained by the earthquake and

paying no attention to the politics and debates amongst jyotishis ;-)

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> this is one reason why I had chose to stick to what BVR had published it is

hard to see why he chose that as he had analysed it as well, in many cases the

ayanamsa change itself can change the Lagna still he choose them and read it

isnt it.

>

> I had cast the chart some months back on the same data in PL and got what he

had given Dhanur 267 deg odd.

>

> but featureswise comparing skimpy Nehra to a well built personality and man

who did a lot more to Hinduism is far important

>

> i agree with u on the last section in the 3 points why not important to us

>

> I recall my 1st GURU K. Ahwatappa who had said don't worry about raja yoga or

NBRY, they will be doing well and will never seek a astrologer's views [for that

matter even god is not in their [priority, more a show when they can]

>

> but ppl with daridra yoga, on ones with Dusthana lords or dasas of planets

inthem will mostly visit us, when their time improves to other good dasas also

they will not visit us

>

> he wa the co-founder of ICAS with Raman ji and 7 others. A V Sundaram IIT,

Srinivas reddy IIT., Navrathnamal, Esrarna Addison group, Murli,,, [audot

classes] the names i met in the early days

>

> in this list prof. srinivas reddy, ashwatappa have passed away.

>

> thanks

>

> prashant

>

> - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Fri, February 12, 2010 11:17:46 PM

> Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda

>

>

> Namaskar Utkal jee,

>

> The birthtime of Swamiji seems remains shrouded in mystery :-)

> One of the members here sent me a private email indicating that she had found

two biographies both published by Ramakrishna Ashram, if I am not mistaken with

both the times and indicating in one case before sunrise and in the other after

sunrise. One last time, let me make a few points here and then we shall close

the topic because it has become gutthi like most of the conundrums in jyotish!

>

> The 6:33 AM used by Raman and others came from F.C. Dutta who claims to have

seen the birth record and was in an article in Modern Astrologer in early part

of 20th century. That is the info in ADB and in Raman's Notable Horoscopes. I

have not read the article personally.

>

> Then came Nikhilananda' s biography which contained the 6:33 AM birthtime and

then another biography which contained the 6:49 AM time.

>

> Now what is puzzling is WHY two biographies published by the Ashram chose to

change the date, assuming that that is what it did. I respect their decision but

they should perhaps given some clarification for giving two birthtimes.

>

> Since the email claiming the evidence came to me privately, it would be

imprudent of me to identify the person or copy and paste the email, but in view

of her hard work and research, I can only encourage the member to post her

findings and evidence here, so that all can benefit and do not spend time on

analysing the chart before they are sure of the birthtime :-)

>

> As for me, this is not my research interest but just a piece of information I

found and shared with you all regarding the 6:49 AM time. The reason why I am

not interested in Swamiji's charts include:

>

> 1. It has no practical significance in my work. People like Swamiji are

probably born 1 in 100 million and that is way beyond the number of charts I

will get to examine or read for in this lifetime :-)

>

> 2. I would learn NOTHING from reading about this Mahatma's chart because he

was a superhuman and nearly 100% of my clients are human beings.

>

> 3. For me it would be a total waste of time to spend poring over the

rectification or establishment of what was Vivekananda' s chart or Angelina

Jolie's chart or Amitabh Bachchan's true birthtime that some claim is only known

to them!

>

> I hope my very practical focus and pragmatic approach to applied jyotish makes

sense :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@

....> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohini Ji,

> >

> > This is true that we are brothers born to different mothers, if they let

> > his feeling grow within them, obviously, a harmonious environment will

> > be created to take the Jyotish to the next step.

> >

> > They begin " cat-fights " out of perceived in security, but this is mere a

> > perception, a wrong perception.

> >

> > Who rejects and disrespect icons of Jyotish in 20'th century, whether BV

> > Raman or KN Rao, at least not me, still, there are beliefs, theories and

> > principles with tons of contradictions, Internet gives us opportunity to

> > work on them, we have more resources and as we are either working or

> > living in several countries we have access to several cultures and

> > societies we can cross check validity of contradictory principles, any

> > thing settled down this way w'd be asset for all but they are not open

> > and ready for it.

> >

> > This is the reason they like to first make a scene of personality

> > crisis, this is regression.

> >

> > I had a feeling of gratitude towards those who created waves of liberty

> > when country was in slavery, with this gratitude I made efforts for

> > getting correct janma lagna of Swami Ji, that even helps everybody as we

> > come to know what makes a Vivekananda.

> >

> > I was alone but determined, This tuesday, I spoke to Swami Chetananada

> > the author of " God Lived with Them " in which biography of 16 direct

> > disciples of Thakur Ram Krishna Paramhansha is given, fortunately he is

> > alive, based on his guidelines collected other books and came to know

> > how incorrect birth time floated, it's only a human mistake, I also came

> > to know about developments in writing biography's of Swami Vivekananda,

> > publication of each biography gave a way to people to provide more

> > information on Swami Ji's life, this led to publication of next

> > biography, lastly, Sri Ram Krishna Mission published a detailed

> > biography in set of 3 volumes, it gives every hour description of Swami

> > Ji's death, Jyotish has an opportunity to understand how he made his

> > mind to leave the world, Mission has discussed the confusion over Swami

> > Ji's horoscope and lagna, Mission said the birth time is either 6.43 or

> > 6.49 am in the morning, they are inclined towards 6.49 am, this birth

> > time is printed in 3 books published by them, but, our net icons had no

> > time to refer to books published by Ram Krishna Mission and their

> > effort, these net icons used their energy against me, what's the reason,

> > what's the achievement ?

> >

> > If, we get correct birth time of swami ji, will that be a loss, whose

> > loss ?

> >

> > Ability to have freedom of thoughts is very very important, most of us

> > don't give this freedom to ourselves.

> > History shows in any war against freedom, slaves are used in large

> > number, a freedom that they wanted for themselves but they were fighting

> > against it, I never understood it's cause. Swami Vivekananda had two

> > younger brothers, we are not aware in what condition their family is

> > living now, If god enables me,I w'd visit Calcutta after July 10 and w'd

> > try to meet family members of Swami Ji's brothers.

> > regards,

> > Utkal.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Truth be told, I am getting pretty sick and tired of all these

> > " cat-fights " and 'dog-brawls' that are going on in the domain of Jyotish

> > by individuals who think they are serving Jyotish.

> > >

> > > Without mincing words, THIS 'Astro-world' you talk of in some kind of

> > 'Mandir-Bhakti mode' is not so much interested in exploring truth as it

> > is in petty fights and one-upmanship!

> > >

> > > Please leave me out of all these puny political GAMES! Those who wish

> > to serve Jyotish -- must stop hoisting their puny petards and realize

> > that IT is not about them or the tiny segment of the human society that

> > reads them or about them. We all know how that DRAMA plays out in these

> > Internet woods, don't we all?

> > >

> > > I have always found Jyotish as a very small island that is crumbling

> > at its edges! If we continue to fight one another and create more

> > dissension for our own egotistical purposes, the crumbling edges of this

> > very small island will just continue to crumble and it would not even

> > take a Tsunami to decimate it and make it vanish into the ocean of

> > scepticism and ignorance!

> > >

> > > A house divided makes enemies out of brothers and friends. Friends,

> > please remember are really brothers born to other mothers!

> > >

> > > The fragile fingers fighting one another can only show their strength

> > when they come together in the form of a fist!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohini Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for making the astro world aware of Swami Ji's birth time

> > which

> > > > is 6.49 am, It's given in several books published by Sri RamKrishna

> > > > Mission.

> > > >

> > > > Earlier, you gave only ISBN no of the book, therefore, I had

> > difficulty

> > > > in locating it,, but today after speaking to an authority of Sri

> > > > Ramkrishna Mission collected other books giving light on Swami

> > > > Vivekananda' s birth time, in the mean time, you already uploaded

> > scanned

> > > > copy.

> > > >

> > > > When, I first looked at Swami Ji's dhanu lagna chart, I found

> > abysmal

> > > > gap between his life and his chart, I had no supportive document to

> > > > uphold my understanding, but, divine urge kept me moving in right

> > > > direction and within a short span of time I have more then

> > sufficient

> > > > documents.

> > > >

> > > > It's strange that so called astro scholars ignored the fact of Swami

> > > > ji's life and kept drumming at dhanu lagna, these guy's don't do

> > self

> > > > study and begin teaching to others.

> > > >

> > > > I will be writing in detail on Swami Ji's life and birth time on

> > > > thursday evening.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > This forum, obviously due to space constraints, cannot allow

> > higher

> > > > resolution scans to be accepted by the files area. So I uploaded a

> > lower

> > > > res scan because the first ones bounced back.

> > > > >

> > > > > What looks like a 19 in the birthminutes is 49. I am not going to

> > > > waste my time in rescanning! If you want a higher res scan

> > (~1.5-2MB)

> > > > please send private email using the forum email send-mail option and

> > I

> > > > will send it to you (it shows 2 pages with the wonderful swami with

> > the

> > > > deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of venus in

> > > > ascendant and capricorn (even when it exists in navamsha!).. .)

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > jyotish_vani@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Greetings!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a book titled: Vivekanda The Yoga and Other Works, Chosen

> > and

> > > > with a biography by Swami Nikhilananda Published by the

> > > > Ramakrishna- Vivekananda Center, New York, ISBN-0-911206- 04-3, pub.

> > > > September 11, 1953 (interesting date!), 3rd printing 1984.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unless the publishers decided to 'doctor' the data, not sure why

> > > > they would -- and I purchase this book from an authentic Ramakrishna

> > > > Ashram

> > > > > > outlet, I would tend to believe this! A scan of the relevant

> > page is

> > > > being uploaded to the files area. Please arrive at your own

> > conclusion!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > here is a reply from true scholar, with more detail on what we

> > > > have been saying

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that B V RAMAN ji, KN RAO ji and rishies who lived, practiced

> > the

> > > > vedic way of life with more dedication, devotion than us for decades

> > if

> > > > not more and surely their care, helping nature would have added more

> > > > intuition from the DIVINE than a mere claimant to it with so much

> > vanity

> > > > than vidya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if he progresses we surely will compliment him but is rather

> > going

> > > > down the PATHALA route.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > we wish him well still. hope his mother guides him here..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > >

> > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > > > > > kn_rao@; Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>; Deepak

> > > > Bisaria <deepakbisaria@ >; Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> ; Lalit

> > Mishra

> > > > <mishra.lalit@ >; knrastro@; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr108@>

> > > > > > > Cc: jyotishi55@; aavesh t <aavesh_s@>; Mee Shuba Vela

> > <pkgoteti@>;

> > > > praspandey@; Ajitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadi@ >

> > > > > > > Tue, February 9, 2010 12:38:16 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God Lived

> > > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri

> > > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that

> > book

> > > > for an interesting Jyotish research.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s

> > birthtime

> > > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami

> > > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That

> > book

> > > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone

> > > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain

> > > > common sense to me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna

> > and

> > > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an

> > > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > > > > > appealing to you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to

> > > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a

> > > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the

> > goal

> > > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover

> > topics

> > > > related to visions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much

> > difference

> > > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message

> > 3481

> > > > of gives a small account of a few of my

> > > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > * * *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working

> > very

> > > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent

> > > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I

> > can

> > > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue.

> > Yet,

> > > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my

> > bearings in

> > > > this knowledge of rishis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of

> > knowledge

> > > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, arrogance

> > and

> > > > self-importance you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati

> > > > vinayam!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

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> > > > > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ >

> > > > > > > > Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth Time

> > &

> > > > Lagna !!

> > > > > > > > " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ >, knrastro@, kn_rao@,

> > > > " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar@> , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr108@>,

> > " Narasimha

> > > > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > > > > Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s@>, jyotishi55@, " Ajitkumar Benadi "

> > > > <ajitbenadi@ >, praspandey@, " Mee Shuba Vela " <pkgoteti@>

> > > > > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM

> > > > > > > > It's a day that

> > > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know

> > > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for

> > > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda,

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited

> > > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I

> > > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's

> > > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit

> > > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math,

> > > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of

> > > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will

> > > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi

> > > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a

> > > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and

> > > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying -

> > > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri

> > > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of

> > > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I

> > > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am,

> > > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice -

> > > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I

> > > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and

> > > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time

> > > > > > > > to your followers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally

> > > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath

> > > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world.

> > > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can

> > > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to

> > > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd

> > > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their

> > > > > > > > end.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin

> > > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah

> > > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> > > > > > > > appealing to you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >