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Chadrashekhar,

 

Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even Hindustani that

was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

 

I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients that have

helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

 

Other than Katwe and sade sati!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi and

> Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of

> reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was one of

> > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet

> > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of

> > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of

> > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still

> > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > >

> > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > Â

> > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > >

> > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > instruments.

> > > Â

> > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > Â Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > >

> > <%40>

> > > Cc:

> > <%40>

> > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > Dear Members,

> > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar,

> > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > Western thought;

> > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there.

> > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE NABABâEUR?.

> > > In anticipation.

> > > Â Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

> > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > >

> > >

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Rabinder Bhandari? Who is that? ;-)

 

RR_;

 

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Chadrashekhar,

>

> Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even Hindustani that

was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

>

> I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients that have

helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

>

> Other than Katwe and sade sati!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi and

> > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of

> > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was one of

> > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet

> > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of

> > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of

> > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still

> > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > >

> > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > Â

> > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > >

> > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > instruments.

> > > > Â

> > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > Cc:

> > > <%40>

> > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar,

> > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > Western thought;

> > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there.

> > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE NABABâEUR?.

> > > > In anticipation.

> > > > Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

> > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > >

> > > >

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Once I ran into a very strange experience during my teenage!

 

My father had to rent out part of our house to a bengali couple who were

childless but very loving in a NEW-AGEY sense back in the 70s when I was not

ready for them.

 

They were very kind and loving (that information was not wasted!) and extremely

INTO the Robindronath-Vishwabharati Culture!

 

I think I missed out during that short time on a very important experience

because I was not ready?

 

It is interesting that the very night that Internet arrived formally and truly

in my life, back in early 1980, the following happened on the very same EVENING:

 

= My recently Widowed Mother arrived in the country which has been HOME for me

and my family!

 

= I managed after a lot of difficulty to acquire VID-TERM 64 -- a software that

allowed me to access COMPUSERVE and which changed my life completely!!

 

= As I was speeding back home having acquired VID_TERM-64, before I went out to

receive MA at the airport -- I was caught speeding! The ONE and ONLY SPEEDING

TICKET I ever received in my life -- I swear! Earlier that day, I went through a

RED LIGHT and was spared! No FINE!

My excuse: I was too excited because MA was coming home!

 

That day was where it all started, for me! The moment when MA arrived HOME!

 

I would not even dare share the name of the car I was driving that evening lest

you misinterpret!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Rabinder Bhandari? Who is that? ;-)

>

> RR_;

>

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Chadrashekhar,

> >

> > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even Hindustani

that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> >

> > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients that

have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> >

> > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi and

> > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of

> > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was one of

> > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet

> > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of

> > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of

> > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still

> > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > > instruments.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Cc:

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar,

> > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there.

> > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

> > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear Rohini Ranjan,

 

HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

 

The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> Chadrashekhar,

>

> Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

>

> I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

>

> Other than Katwe and sade sati!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi

> and

> > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of

> > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> one of

> > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet

> > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of

> > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of

> > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still

> > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > >

> > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > Â

> > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > >

> > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > instruments.

> > > > Â

> > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > Cc:

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar,

> > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > Western thought;

> > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there.

> > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> NABABâEUR?.

> > > > In anticipation.

> > > > Â Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

> > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was called

in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi with a

smidgen of english thrown in as well!

 

RR_,

 

, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ranjan,

>

> HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

> days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

> there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

>

> The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

> the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

> perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

> possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

> time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> >

> > Chadrashekhar,

> >

> > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> >

> > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> >

> > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi

> > and

> > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of

> > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> > one of

> > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet

> > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of

> > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of

> > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still

> > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > > instruments.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Cc:

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar,

> > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there.

> > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

> > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by

Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in

defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of

Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our

" Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train

,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the

belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing

called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of

contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with

telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a

few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world.

 

Raj Bhardwaj

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was

called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi

with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> >

> > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

> > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

> > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> >

> > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

> > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

> > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

> > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

> > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > >

> > > Chadrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > >

> > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > >

> > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi

> > > and

> > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of

> > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> > > one of

> > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet

> > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of

> > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of

> > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still

> > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Cc:

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar,

> > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there.

> > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

> > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

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Raj Bhaiyaa,

 

You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant of

wonderment: Firangee!

 

Firangee = Firenchee = French!

 

Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My parents were

born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected to this FORUM where

we all unite and communicate in!

 

Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals once given LOVE

end up learning what their human companion or Master wants them to do!

 

Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill enemies!

Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more loyal than their

human masters even! Hence the confusion!!

 

Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be bullied by

his sister who happens to be a cat!

 

Parents DO matter! All species!!

 

RR_,

 

 

, " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

>

> Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by

Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in

defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of

Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our

" Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train

,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the

belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing

called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of

contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with

telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a

few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world.

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was

called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi

with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > >

> > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

> > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

> > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > >

> > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

> > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

> > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

> > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

> > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > >

> > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > >

> > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi

> > > > and

> > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of

> > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> > > > one of

> > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet

> > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person

of

> > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of

> > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books

still

> > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Cc:

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is

there.

> > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

> > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > > > >

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Dear Rohiniranjan,

 

The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not " French " .

Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was probably derived from the

word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended in Europe during the falling days

of Roman Empire. In Persian language, people of white skinned Europeans were

called " farangi " . In the South Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word

is pronounced as " faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or

Portuguese).

 

Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms respectively

connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in Indian sub continent,

until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was referred to British Officer and

vilaayat meant England/UK.

 

Sincerely,

M. Imran

http://astroimran.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Raj Bhaiyaa,

>

> You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant of

wonderment: Firangee!

>

> Firangee = Firenchee = French!

>

> Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My parents were

born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected to this FORUM where

we all unite and communicate in!

>

> Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals once given

LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master wants them to do!

>

> Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill enemies!

Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more loyal than their

human masters even! Hence the confusion!!

>

> Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be bullied by

his sister who happens to be a cat!

>

> Parents DO matter! All species!!

>

> RR_,

>

>

> , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by

Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in

defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of

Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our

" Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train

,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the

belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing

called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of

contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with

telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a

few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world.

> >

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was

called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi

with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > >

> > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

> > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

> > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > >

> > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

> > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

> > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

> > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

> > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > >

> > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > >

> > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune

of

> > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> > > > > one of

> > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent

poet

> > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person

of

> > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject

of

> > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books

still

> > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

Nawab,

> > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Cc:

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is

there.

> > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it

NOW!

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Dear Rohini Ranjan,

 

Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it

> was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

> urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

>

> RR_,

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> >

> > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

> > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

> > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> >

> > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

> > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

> > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

> > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

> > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > >

> > > Chadrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > >

> > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > >

> > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of

> Farsi

> > > and

> > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

> fortune of

> > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> > > one of

> > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent

> poet

> > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a

> person of

> > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

> subject of

> > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two

> books still

> > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

> Nawab,

> > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Cc:

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

> Venketeshwar,

> > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is

> there.

> > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get

> it NOW!

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Dear Rohini Ji and Imran Ji,

 

Very interesting feedback on the Firangi ! And lo, I had always been

thinking that Firang is a crude pronunciation /vernacular translation of

Foreigners, and Firangi came in usage during first Sepoy mutiny of 1857

in Central India, against English empire, and there was some sense of

hatred in this word against English people, which spread in other parts

of India, right from Afghanistan to Sonar Bangla ! Anayway !

 

 

This Bambai kay Baboo (Main Bambai ka Babu naam mera anjaana,English

dhun men gaoon main Hindustaani Gana, and , Ai dil hai mushkil jeena

yahan, Zara hatke zara bachke ye hai Bombay meri Jaan- immortalised by

Johny Walker in Naya Daur and CID), has taken me to Bangladesh and

Pakistan (Karachi).

I had already become very nostaligic, when Rohini Ji mentioned about

Bangladesh. It reminded me of a 22 years old young Airman,who had

witnessed the Bangladesh liberation war between India and Pakistan. I

remember the 2 nights in Rangpur and Saidpur, and first time in my life

I had understood the meaning of Ghost Cities. Where only Wind cries in

Maataam, where one gets scared to death by one's own shadow and the

sound of boots echoing in the dim moonlight.Where shops and markets,

their doors wide open and inviting, but no one in the shops, neither

any Maalik nor the customers, and horrified and wailing dogs searching

for company and safety of human beings. Stench of dead bodies,wading

like awaara souls , instilled a chnage of heart in me like that of many

great and not so great warriors in the Kalinga War. It all changed me

from within. The spectrum of War, violence, the killings, the hatred

between countries and communities. Many of my companions were trying to

overcome their fears or grief or tiredness by sipping Rum , but I could

make out, most of them had no life within. But all knew, next morning

they may have to again fight the visible or some not so visible and the

unseen enemy, and did their best to snatch some sleep. I was just

rendering in my heart " Aai maalik tere bande hum, aise hon hamare karam,

neki par chalen aur badi se daren ,taki haste huye nikle dum.

 

 

Rohini Ji, you remember once I wrote in a mail that I have Mars in

lagna(Sc) and Jup in 2nd house. Today I will add that my Moon is in Ca,

Rahu in Ar, Sat and Venus in Le, Sun in Vi and Mer,Ketu in Li. In my

Navamsha and Dashansha Mars is debilited in 10th house. After

Bangladesh, look at my conection with Pakistan also. My ancestors were

renowned astrologers from Rawalpindi, I was born in Ambala in 1948.

Rohini has called me Raj Bhaiya. Imran from Karachi is also known to me

thro exchange of few mails. I left the Air Force at the first available

opportunity, joined a bank, changed 2 banks, became Asst Gen Mgr,and

took voluntarily retirement to practice full time astrology, as I had

developed interest in astrology and learnt bit of poojas also after

leaving the Air Force.

 

My father, mother,elder sister and brother and other kith and kin had

suffered untold miseries during the partition of India and became

refugee in own country, living in camps. My father had never allowed

anyone to do any worship or keep any idol at home, never allowed us to

go to temples. Why did I go to witness war ? Why did I start doing some

pooja ? Why did I start taking interest in astolgy on my own and never

disclosed this to any one (My father, who died in 1989, mother who died

in 1997,brothers and sisters) except my wife and 2 daughters ? Why did i

went on searching spree of old astrology books in Printing Houses and

Libraries, wherever I was posted in India.Why did I start using the

internet for learning about jyotish, the year internet was introduced in

India in 1999? How I have been interacting with both of you ? Is it some

Maya of MARS and JUP, who have strength of 8 and 9 in my Vaiseshikansha,

and Sun is my Atmakaraka ? No one can describe the meanings of word

Maya, which appears in our scriptures, holy books, dictionaries, bhajans

and songs of our saints, poets and soofi saints. I love only one line of

Kabir " MAYA MAHA THAGINI MAIN JAANI " . I feel blessed to experience this

Maya ,but I cannot explain the meaning or the birth time of Maya. Does

It take birth with us, hidden in our soul ? I mean , like the Adam and

Hawwa , the first creation of Brahma ? When and where, I do not know and

I feel that I have understand bit of it in my life , so far, but I

cannot explain, how and what the Maya is and what it's meaning is !

Sadhu, Sadhu !

 

Raj Bhardwaj

 

 

, " astroimran " <astroimran

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohiniranjan,

>

> The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not

" French " . Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was

probably derived from the word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended

in Europe during the falling days of Roman Empire. In Persian language,

people of white skinned Europeans were called " farangi " . In the South

Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word is pronounced as

" faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or

Portuguese).

>

> Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms

respectively connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in

Indian sub continent, until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was

referred to British Officer and vilaayat meant England/UK.

>

> Sincerely,

> M. Imran

> http://astroimran.blogspot.com/

>

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

wrote:

> >

> > Raj Bhaiyaa,

> >

> > You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant

of wonderment: Firangee!

> >

> > Firangee = Firenchee = French!

> >

> > Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My

parents were born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected

to this FORUM where we all unite and communicate in!

> >

> > Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals

once given LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master

wants them to do!

> >

> > Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill

enemies! Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more

loyal than their human masters even! Hence the confusion!!

> >

> > Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be

bullied by his sister who happens to be a cat!

> >

> > Parents DO matter! All species!!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army

was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now

used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty.

Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have

become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket,

pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi,

film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the

defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which

is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts,

and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with

telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name

just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this

competetive world.

> > >

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani

as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in

Uttar

> > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called

Urdu these

> > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi

Boli and

> > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > > >

> > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how

the

> > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective

about how

> > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The

texts by

> > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out

the

> > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then

the fault

> > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of

ideal

> > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to

guage the

> > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved

at the

> > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or

even

> > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these

ancients

> > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a

mix of Farsi

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

fortune of

> > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 -

1627 was

> > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor

Akbar. He was a

> > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an

excellent poet

> > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was

exceptional

> > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native

but a person of

> > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

subject of

> > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These

two books still

> > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in

Astrology.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information

regarding

> > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding

Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke

Nawab, who was a

> > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION

OF AN

> > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with

sophisticated

> > > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Cc:

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ

H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak,

Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg,

Punjraj,

> > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE

NABAB is there.

> > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this

âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8.

Get it NOW!

> > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-)

 

RR_,

 

, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ranjan,

>

> Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it

> > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

> > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > >

> > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

> > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

> > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > >

> > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

> > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

> > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

> > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

> > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > >

> > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > >

> > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of

> > Farsi

> > > > and

> > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

> > fortune of

> > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> > > > one of

> > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

> > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent

> > poet

> > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a

> > person of

> > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

> > subject of

> > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two

> > books still

> > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

> > Nawab,

> > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

> > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

> > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Cc:

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

> > Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is

> > there.

> > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get

> > it NOW!

> > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Thanks astroimran. You may find the following of interest too:-)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_names_for_the_British

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farangi

 

RR_,

 

, " astroimran " <astroimran wrote:

>

> Dear Rohiniranjan,

>

> The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not " French " .

Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was probably derived from the

word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended in Europe during the falling days

of Roman Empire. In Persian language, people of white skinned Europeans were

called " farangi " . In the South Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word

is pronounced as " faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or

Portuguese).

>

> Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms respectively

connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in Indian sub continent,

until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was referred to British Officer and

vilaayat meant England/UK.

>

> Sincerely,

> M. Imran

> http://astroimran.blogspot.com/

>

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Raj Bhaiyaa,

> >

> > You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant of

wonderment: Firangee!

> >

> > Firangee = Firenchee = French!

> >

> > Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My parents were

born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected to this FORUM where

we all unite and communicate in!

> >

> > Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals once given

LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master wants them to do!

> >

> > Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill enemies!

Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more loyal than their

human masters even! Hence the confusion!!

> >

> > Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be bullied

by his sister who happens to be a cat!

> >

> > Parents DO matter! All species!!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used

by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in

defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of

Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our

" Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train

,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the

belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing

called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of

contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with

telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a

few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world.

> > >

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was

called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi

with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

> > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

> > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > > >

> > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

> > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the

fault

> > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

> > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

> > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

> > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of

Farsi

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune

of

> > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

> > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was

a

> > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent

poet

> > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a

person of

> > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject

of

> > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books

still

> > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

Nawab,

> > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was

a

> > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with

sophisticated

> > > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Cc:

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan

bhaat,

> > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is

there.

> > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it

NOW!

> > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > > > > > >

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Thanks for your beautiful and " vargottama " sharing Raj_dada! You are a few years

older than me, so in future please do not use the tail-piece 'jee' when

addressing me :-)

 

Your sharing of a personal experience very graphically illustrated what I was

trying to say in Msg. # 71699 about modern warfare. And they have gotten a lot

worse since 1971, I am afraid :-(

 

Without going too detailed and boring the people on this forum or pissing them

off, as I generally end up doing -- unintentionally, I have always been

intrigued by this 'mind' thing that many spiritually advanced individuals have

pooh-poohed, giving more value to this intangible, difficult to experience

*entity* accepted as Atman/soul.

 

Mind being more tangible and more definable has always represented to me as the

conduit, the interface, the I/O unit, the lifeline between the worldly and

physical here and the intangible *there* which to me has always been represented

as the OTHER LIGHT, viz. the SUN! When there is a good connection and harmony

between the moon and sun in a chart, the conduit of information is open and

leads to better utilization of the connection between here and 'there' and the

KOSHAS of Experiencing are better served during the lifetime. It does not mean

that the lifetime would be a party -- but simply that there will be a sense of

satisfaction that a job has been well-done.

 

Obviously, there would be secondary influences, modulations, modifying factors

just as is to be expected in jyotish considerations. These influences add the

nuances and add richness and variety to the 'human experience'.

 

Around 'shukla-dashami' is a good place to be in, generally for one who wishes

to 'observe' and to get closer to one's 'witness-self'.

 

Anyways -- Happy Valentine's day!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Rohini Ji and Imran Ji,

>

> Very interesting feedback on the Firangi ! And lo, I had always been

> thinking that Firang is a crude pronunciation /vernacular translation of

> Foreigners, and Firangi came in usage during first Sepoy mutiny of 1857

> in Central India, against English empire, and there was some sense of

> hatred in this word against English people, which spread in other parts

> of India, right from Afghanistan to Sonar Bangla ! Anayway !

>

>

> This Bambai kay Baboo (Main Bambai ka Babu naam mera anjaana,English

> dhun men gaoon main Hindustaani Gana, and , Ai dil hai mushkil jeena

> yahan, Zara hatke zara bachke ye hai Bombay meri Jaan- immortalised by

> Johny Walker in Naya Daur and CID), has taken me to Bangladesh and

> Pakistan (Karachi).

> I had already become very nostaligic, when Rohini Ji mentioned about

> Bangladesh. It reminded me of a 22 years old young Airman,who had

> witnessed the Bangladesh liberation war between India and Pakistan. I

> remember the 2 nights in Rangpur and Saidpur, and first time in my life

> I had understood the meaning of Ghost Cities. Where only Wind cries in

> Maataam, where one gets scared to death by one's own shadow and the

> sound of boots echoing in the dim moonlight.Where shops and markets,

> their doors wide open and inviting, but no one in the shops, neither

> any Maalik nor the customers, and horrified and wailing dogs searching

> for company and safety of human beings. Stench of dead bodies,wading

> like awaara souls , instilled a chnage of heart in me like that of many

> great and not so great warriors in the Kalinga War. It all changed me

> from within. The spectrum of War, violence, the killings, the hatred

> between countries and communities. Many of my companions were trying to

> overcome their fears or grief or tiredness by sipping Rum , but I could

> make out, most of them had no life within. But all knew, next morning

> they may have to again fight the visible or some not so visible and the

> unseen enemy, and did their best to snatch some sleep. I was just

> rendering in my heart " Aai maalik tere bande hum, aise hon hamare karam,

> neki par chalen aur badi se daren ,taki haste huye nikle dum.

>

>

> Rohini Ji, you remember once I wrote in a mail that I have Mars in

> lagna(Sc) and Jup in 2nd house. Today I will add that my Moon is in Ca,

> Rahu in Ar, Sat and Venus in Le, Sun in Vi and Mer,Ketu in Li. In my

> Navamsha and Dashansha Mars is debilited in 10th house. After

> Bangladesh, look at my conection with Pakistan also. My ancestors were

> renowned astrologers from Rawalpindi, I was born in Ambala in 1948.

> Rohini has called me Raj Bhaiya. Imran from Karachi is also known to me

> thro exchange of few mails. I left the Air Force at the first available

> opportunity, joined a bank, changed 2 banks, became Asst Gen Mgr,and

> took voluntarily retirement to practice full time astrology, as I had

> developed interest in astrology and learnt bit of poojas also after

> leaving the Air Force.

>

> My father, mother,elder sister and brother and other kith and kin had

> suffered untold miseries during the partition of India and became

> refugee in own country, living in camps. My father had never allowed

> anyone to do any worship or keep any idol at home, never allowed us to

> go to temples. Why did I go to witness war ? Why did I start doing some

> pooja ? Why did I start taking interest in astolgy on my own and never

> disclosed this to any one (My father, who died in 1989, mother who died

> in 1997,brothers and sisters) except my wife and 2 daughters ? Why did i

> went on searching spree of old astrology books in Printing Houses and

> Libraries, wherever I was posted in India.Why did I start using the

> internet for learning about jyotish, the year internet was introduced in

> India in 1999? How I have been interacting with both of you ? Is it some

> Maya of MARS and JUP, who have strength of 8 and 9 in my Vaiseshikansha,

> and Sun is my Atmakaraka ? No one can describe the meanings of word

> Maya, which appears in our scriptures, holy books, dictionaries, bhajans

> and songs of our saints, poets and soofi saints. I love only one line of

> Kabir " MAYA MAHA THAGINI MAIN JAANI " . I feel blessed to experience this

> Maya ,but I cannot explain the meaning or the birth time of Maya. Does

> It take birth with us, hidden in our soul ? I mean , like the Adam and

> Hawwa , the first creation of Brahma ? When and where, I do not know and

> I feel that I have understand bit of it in my life , so far, but I

> cannot explain, how and what the Maya is and what it's meaning is !

> Sadhu, Sadhu !

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

>

> , " astroimran " <astroimran@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohiniranjan,

> >

> > The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not

> " French " . Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was

> probably derived from the word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended

> in Europe during the falling days of Roman Empire. In Persian language,

> people of white skinned Europeans were called " farangi " . In the South

> Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word is pronounced as

> " faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or

> Portuguese).

> >

> > Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms

> respectively connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in

> Indian sub continent, until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was

> referred to British Officer and vilaayat meant England/UK.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Imran

> > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Raj Bhaiyaa,

> > >

> > > You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant

> of wonderment: Firangee!

> > >

> > > Firangee = Firenchee = French!

> > >

> > > Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My

> parents were born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected

> to this FORUM where we all unite and communicate in!

> > >

> > > Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals

> once given LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master

> wants them to do!

> > >

> > > Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill

> enemies! Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more

> loyal than their human masters even! Hence the confusion!!

> > >

> > > Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be

> bullied by his sister who happens to be a cat!

> > >

> > > Parents DO matter! All species!!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army

> was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now

> used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty.

> Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have

> become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket,

> pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi,

> film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the

> defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which

> is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts,

> and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with

> telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name

> just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this

> competetive world.

> > > >

> > > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani

> as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

> urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in

> Uttar

> > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called

> Urdu these

> > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi

> Boli and

> > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how

> the

> > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective

> about how

> > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The

> texts by

> > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out

> the

> > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then

> the fault

> > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of

> ideal

> > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to

> guage the

> > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved

> at the

> > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or

> even

> > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these

> ancients

> > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a

> mix of Farsi

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

> fortune of

> > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 -

> 1627 was

> > > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor

> Akbar. He was a

> > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an

> excellent poet

> > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was

> exceptional

> > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native

> but a person of

> > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

> subject of

> > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These

> two books still

> > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in

> Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information

> regarding

> > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding

> Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke

> Nawab, who was a

> > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION

> OF AN

> > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with

> sophisticated

> > > > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > Cc:

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ

> H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

> Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak,

> Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg,

> Punjraj,

> > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE

> NABAB is there.

> > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this

> âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

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Is it based on animals or traditional one based on specific effect as per their

classicals?How does it relate and work out on human affairs.probably follow Huna

Astrology?

 

 

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services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sun, 2/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Bambai kay Baboo!

 

Sunday, February 14, 2010, 3:20 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-)

 

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek

har wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Rohini Ranjan,

 

>

 

> Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

 

>

 

> Chandrashekhar.

 

>

 

>

 

> On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

> >

 

> > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it

 

> > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

 

> > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

 

> >

 

> > RR_,

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar

 

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

 

> > >

 

> > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

 

> > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

 

> > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

 

> > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

 

> > >

 

> > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

 

> > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

 

> > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

 

> > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

 

> > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

 

> > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

 

> > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

 

> > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

 

> > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

 

> > >

 

> > > Regards,

 

> > > Chandrashekhar.

 

> > >

 

> > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Chadrashekhar,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

 

> > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

 

> > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar

 

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Dear Members,

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of

 

> > Farsi

 

> > > > and

 

> > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

 

> > fortune of

 

> > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Regards,

 

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Members,

 

> > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

 

> > > > one of

 

> > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

 

> > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent

 

> > poet

 

> > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

 

> > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a

 

> > person of

 

> > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

 

> > subject of

 

> > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two

 

> > books still

 

> > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

 

> > > > > > Regards

 

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Lalkitab Kb

 

> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

 

> > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

 

> > > > > > > Â

 

> > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

 

> > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

 

> > Nawab,

 

> > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a

 

> > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

 

> > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

 

> > > > > > instruments.

 

> > > > > > > Â

 

> > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

 

> > > > > > > Â Regards

 

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > > > > Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology

 

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

 

> > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

 

> > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

 

> > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

 

> > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Â

 

> > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

 

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

 

> > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

 

> > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

 

> > Venketeshwar,

 

> > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

 

> > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

 

> > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

 

> > > > > > > Western thought;

 

> > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is

 

> > there.

 

> > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

 

> > > > NABABâEUR?.

 

> > > > > > > In anticipation.

 

> > > > > > > Â Regards

 

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get

 

> > it NOW!

 

> > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

 

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The Traditional one is based on 9 animals and 3 humans, dada! Ariya, tavaru,...

etc ;-)

 

RR_,

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Is it based on animals or traditional one based on specific effect as per

their classicals?How does it relate and work out on human affairs.probably

follow Huna Astrology?

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Sun, 2/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Bambai kay Baboo!

>

> Sunday, February 14, 2010, 3:20 PM

>

 

>

>

>

English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-)

>

>

>

> RR_,

>

>

>

> , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek

har@> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

>

> >

>

> > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

>

> >

>

> > Chandrashekhar.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> > >

>

> > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it

>

> > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

>

> > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

>

> > >

>

> > > RR_,

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar

>

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

>

> > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these

>

> > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and

>

> > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

>

> > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how

>

> > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

>

> > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

>

> > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault

>

> > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

>

> > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the

>

> > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the

>

> > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Regards,

>

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Chadrashekhar,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

>

> > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients

>

> > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar

>

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear Members,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of

>

> > > Farsi

>

> > > > > and

>

> > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

>

> > > fortune of

>

> > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Regards,

>

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

>

> > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was

>

> > > > > one of

>

> > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a

>

> > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent

>

> > > poet

>

> > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

>

> > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a

>

> > > person of

>

> > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

>

> > > subject of

>

> > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two

>

> > > books still

>

> > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

>

> > > > > > > Regards

>

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Lalkitab Kb

>

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

>

> > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

>

> > > > > > > > Â

>

> > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

>

> > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

>

> > > Nawab,

>

> > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was

a

>

> > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

>

> > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated

>

> > > > > > > instruments.

>

> > > > > > > > Â

>

> > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

>

> > > > > > > > Â Regards

>

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > > > > Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

>

> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

>

> > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

>

> > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

>

> > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Â

>

> > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

>

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

>

> > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

>

> > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

>

> > > Venketeshwar,

>

> > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat,

>

> > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

>

> > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

>

> > > > > > > > Western thought;

>

> > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is

>

> > > there.

>

> > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

>

> > > > > NABABâEUR?.

>

> > > > > > > > In anticipation.

>

> > > > > > > > Â Regards

>

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get

>

> > > it NOW!

>

> > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

>

> > > > > > > >

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True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-)

>

> RR_,

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> >

> > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it

> > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

> > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > >

> > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu

> these

> > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi

> Boli and

> > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > >

> > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective

> about how

> > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then

> the fault

> > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to

> guage the

> > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved

> at the

> > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > >

> > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these

> ancients

> > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > >

> > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of

> > > Farsi

> > > > > and

> > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

> > > fortune of

> > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 -

> 1627 was

> > > > > one of

> > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar.

> He was a

> > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an

> excellent

> > > poet

> > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a

> > > person of

> > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

> > > subject of

> > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two

> > > books still

> > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

> > > Nawab,

> > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> who was a

> > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with

> sophisticated

> > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Cc:

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

> > > Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak,

> Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE

> NABAB is

> > > there.

> > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get

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Rohini Ji,

 

Hindustrani and Hindavi is same thing, some people likes to make

groundless statements.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindavi

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindavi>

 

Utkal.

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> >

> > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > >

> > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani

as it

> > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

> > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as

well!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in

Uttar

> > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called

Urdu

> > these

> > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi

> > Boli and

> > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > > >

> > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how

the

> > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective

> > about how

> > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The

texts by

> > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out

the

> > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then

> > the fault

> > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of

ideal

> > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to

> > guage the

> > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved

> > at the

> > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or

even

> > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these

> > ancients

> > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a

mix of

> > > > Farsi

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

> > > > fortune of

> > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 -

> > 1627 was

> > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor

Akbar.

> > He was a

> > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an

> > excellent

> > > > poet

> > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was

exceptional

> > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native

but a

> > > > person of

> > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

> > > > subject of

> > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These

two

> > > > books still

> > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in

Astrology.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information

regarding

> > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding

Lucknow Ke

> > > > Nawab,

> > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke

Nawab,

> > who was a

> > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION

OF AN

> > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with

> > sophisticated

> > > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Cc:

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ

H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

> > > > Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak,

> > Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg,

Punjraj,

> > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE

> > NABAB is

> > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this

âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8.

Get

> > > > it NOW!

> > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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No no, Sir! I meant in modern Hindustani! :-)

 

, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> >

> > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > >

> > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it

> > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

> > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > > >

> > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar

> > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu

> > these

> > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi

> > Boli and

> > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > > >

> > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the

> > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective

> > about how

> > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by

> > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then

> > the fault

> > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal

> > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to

> > guage the

> > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved

> > at the

> > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these

> > ancients

> > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of

> > > > Farsi

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

> > > > fortune of

> > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 -

> > 1627 was

> > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar.

> > He was a

> > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an

> > excellent

> > > > poet

> > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional

> > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a

> > > > person of

> > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

> > > > subject of

> > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two

> > > > books still

> > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke

> > > > Nawab,

> > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > who was a

> > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with

> > sophisticated

> > > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Cc:

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

> > > > Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak,

> > Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj,

> > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE

> > NABAB is

> > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get

> > > > it NOW!

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Dear Rohini,

 

You are right.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

On 2/16/2010 1:31 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> No no, Sir! I meant in modern Hindustani! :-)

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > >

> > > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani

> as it

> > > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of

> > > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in

> Uttar

> > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called

> Urdu

> > > these

> > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi

> > > Boli and

> > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on

> how the

> > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective

> > > about how

> > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The

> texts by

> > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the

> > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then

> > > the fault

> > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk

> of ideal

> > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to

> > > guage the

> > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved

> > > at the

> > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chadrashekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even

> > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these

> > > ancients

> > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a

> mix of

> > > > > Farsi

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the

> > > > > fortune of

> > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 -

> > > 1627 was

> > > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar.

> > > He was a

> > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an

> > > excellent

> > > > > poet

> > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was

> exceptional

> > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native

> but a

> > > > > person of

> > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the

> > > > > subject of

> > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two

> > > > > books still

> > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in

> Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding

> > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding

> Lucknow Ke

> > > > > Nawab,

> > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab,

> > > who was a

> > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the

> CONSTRUCTION OF AN

> > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with

> > > sophisticated

> > > > > > > > > instruments.

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari

> > > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > Cc:

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> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab,

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE,

> > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat,

> > > > > Venketeshwar,

> > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak,

> > > Narayan bhaat,

> > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg,

> Punjraj,

> > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj,

> > > > > > > > > > Western thought;

> > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE

> > > NABAB is

> > > > > there.

> > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this

> âEURoeLUKHNAU KE

> > > > > > > NABABâEUR?.

> > > > > > > > > > In anticipation.

> > > > > > > > > > Â Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized

> IE8. Get

> > > > > it NOW!

> > > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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