Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Chadrashekhar, Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! Other than Katwe and sade sati! Rohiniranjan , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi and > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was one of > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > Â > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > instruments. > > > Â > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > Â Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > <%40> > > > Cc: > > <%40> > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > Â > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > Dear Members, > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > Western thought; > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE NABABâEUR?. > > > In anticipation. > > > Â Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Rabinder Bhandari? Who is that? ;-) RR_; , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Chadrashekhar, > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi and > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was one of > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > Â > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > instruments. > > > > Â > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > Â Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > Cc: > > > <%40> > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > Western thought; > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE NABABâEUR?. > > > > In anticipation. > > > > Â Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Once I ran into a very strange experience during my teenage! My father had to rent out part of our house to a bengali couple who were childless but very loving in a NEW-AGEY sense back in the 70s when I was not ready for them. They were very kind and loving (that information was not wasted!) and extremely INTO the Robindronath-Vishwabharati Culture! I think I missed out during that short time on a very important experience because I was not ready? It is interesting that the very night that Internet arrived formally and truly in my life, back in early 1980, the following happened on the very same EVENING: = My recently Widowed Mother arrived in the country which has been HOME for me and my family! = I managed after a lot of difficulty to acquire VID-TERM 64 -- a software that allowed me to access COMPUSERVE and which changed my life completely!! = As I was speeding back home having acquired VID_TERM-64, before I went out to receive MA at the airport -- I was caught speeding! The ONE and ONLY SPEEDING TICKET I ever received in my life -- I swear! Earlier that day, I went through a RED LIGHT and was spared! No FINE! My excuse: I was too excited because MA was coming home! That day was where it all started, for me! The moment when MA arrived HOME! I would not even dare share the name of the car I was driving that evening lest you misinterpret! Rohiniranjan , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rabinder Bhandari? Who is that? ;-) > > RR_; > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi and > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was one of > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > Â > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > instruments. > > > > > Â > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > Cc: > > > > <%40> > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE NABABâEUR?. > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Rohini Ranjan, HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and there are many other dialects that are spoken now. The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. Regards, Chandrashekhar. On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > Chadrashekhar, > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > Rohiniranjan > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi > and > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > one of > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > Â > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > instruments. > > > > Â > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > Â Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Cc: > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > Â > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > Western thought; > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > NABABâEUR?. > > > > In anticipation. > > > > Â Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Chandrashekhar, Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! RR_, , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi > > and > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > one of > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > Â > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > instruments. > > > > > Â > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Cc: > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world. Raj Bhardwaj , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > RR_, > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi > > > and > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > one of > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > Â > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Cc: > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Raj Bhaiyaa, You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant of wonderment: Firangee! Firangee = Firenchee = French! Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My parents were born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected to this FORUM where we all unite and communicate in! Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals once given LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master wants them to do! Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill enemies! Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more loyal than their human masters even! Hence the confusion!! Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be bullied by his sister who happens to be a cat! Parents DO matter! All species!! RR_, , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi > > > > and > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > > one of > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Rohiniranjan, The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not " French " . Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was probably derived from the word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended in Europe during the falling days of Roman Empire. In Persian language, people of white skinned Europeans were called " farangi " . In the South Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word is pronounced as " faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or Portuguese). Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms respectively connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in Indian sub continent, until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was referred to British Officer and vilaayat meant England/UK. Sincerely, M. Imran http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Raj Bhaiyaa, > > You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant of wonderment: Firangee! > > Firangee = Firenchee = French! > > Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My parents were born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected to this FORUM where we all unite and communicate in! > > Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals once given LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master wants them to do! > > Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill enemies! Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more loyal than their human masters even! Hence the confusion!! > > Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be bullied by his sister who happens to be a cat! > > Parents DO matter! All species!! > > RR_, > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi > > > > > and > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > > > one of > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Rohini Ranjan, Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. Chandrashekhar. On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > RR_, > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of > Farsi > > > and > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > fortune of > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > one of > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent > poet > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a > person of > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > subject of > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > books still > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke > Nawab, > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > Â > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Cc: > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > Venketeshwar, > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is > there. > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Rohini Ji and Imran Ji, Very interesting feedback on the Firangi ! And lo, I had always been thinking that Firang is a crude pronunciation /vernacular translation of Foreigners, and Firangi came in usage during first Sepoy mutiny of 1857 in Central India, against English empire, and there was some sense of hatred in this word against English people, which spread in other parts of India, right from Afghanistan to Sonar Bangla ! Anayway ! This Bambai kay Baboo (Main Bambai ka Babu naam mera anjaana,English dhun men gaoon main Hindustaani Gana, and , Ai dil hai mushkil jeena yahan, Zara hatke zara bachke ye hai Bombay meri Jaan- immortalised by Johny Walker in Naya Daur and CID), has taken me to Bangladesh and Pakistan (Karachi). I had already become very nostaligic, when Rohini Ji mentioned about Bangladesh. It reminded me of a 22 years old young Airman,who had witnessed the Bangladesh liberation war between India and Pakistan. I remember the 2 nights in Rangpur and Saidpur, and first time in my life I had understood the meaning of Ghost Cities. Where only Wind cries in Maataam, where one gets scared to death by one's own shadow and the sound of boots echoing in the dim moonlight.Where shops and markets, their doors wide open and inviting, but no one in the shops, neither any Maalik nor the customers, and horrified and wailing dogs searching for company and safety of human beings. Stench of dead bodies,wading like awaara souls , instilled a chnage of heart in me like that of many great and not so great warriors in the Kalinga War. It all changed me from within. The spectrum of War, violence, the killings, the hatred between countries and communities. Many of my companions were trying to overcome their fears or grief or tiredness by sipping Rum , but I could make out, most of them had no life within. But all knew, next morning they may have to again fight the visible or some not so visible and the unseen enemy, and did their best to snatch some sleep. I was just rendering in my heart " Aai maalik tere bande hum, aise hon hamare karam, neki par chalen aur badi se daren ,taki haste huye nikle dum. Rohini Ji, you remember once I wrote in a mail that I have Mars in lagna(Sc) and Jup in 2nd house. Today I will add that my Moon is in Ca, Rahu in Ar, Sat and Venus in Le, Sun in Vi and Mer,Ketu in Li. In my Navamsha and Dashansha Mars is debilited in 10th house. After Bangladesh, look at my conection with Pakistan also. My ancestors were renowned astrologers from Rawalpindi, I was born in Ambala in 1948. Rohini has called me Raj Bhaiya. Imran from Karachi is also known to me thro exchange of few mails. I left the Air Force at the first available opportunity, joined a bank, changed 2 banks, became Asst Gen Mgr,and took voluntarily retirement to practice full time astrology, as I had developed interest in astrology and learnt bit of poojas also after leaving the Air Force. My father, mother,elder sister and brother and other kith and kin had suffered untold miseries during the partition of India and became refugee in own country, living in camps. My father had never allowed anyone to do any worship or keep any idol at home, never allowed us to go to temples. Why did I go to witness war ? Why did I start doing some pooja ? Why did I start taking interest in astolgy on my own and never disclosed this to any one (My father, who died in 1989, mother who died in 1997,brothers and sisters) except my wife and 2 daughters ? Why did i went on searching spree of old astrology books in Printing Houses and Libraries, wherever I was posted in India.Why did I start using the internet for learning about jyotish, the year internet was introduced in India in 1999? How I have been interacting with both of you ? Is it some Maya of MARS and JUP, who have strength of 8 and 9 in my Vaiseshikansha, and Sun is my Atmakaraka ? No one can describe the meanings of word Maya, which appears in our scriptures, holy books, dictionaries, bhajans and songs of our saints, poets and soofi saints. I love only one line of Kabir " MAYA MAHA THAGINI MAIN JAANI " . I feel blessed to experience this Maya ,but I cannot explain the meaning or the birth time of Maya. Does It take birth with us, hidden in our soul ? I mean , like the Adam and Hawwa , the first creation of Brahma ? When and where, I do not know and I feel that I have understand bit of it in my life , so far, but I cannot explain, how and what the Maya is and what it's meaning is ! Sadhu, Sadhu ! Raj Bhardwaj , " astroimran " <astroimran wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjan, > > The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not " French " . Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was probably derived from the word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended in Europe during the falling days of Roman Empire. In Persian language, people of white skinned Europeans were called " farangi " . In the South Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word is pronounced as " faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or Portuguese). > > Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms respectively connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in Indian sub continent, until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was referred to British Officer and vilaayat meant England/UK. > > Sincerely, > M. Imran > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > Raj Bhaiyaa, > > > > You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant of wonderment: Firangee! > > > > Firangee = Firenchee = French! > > > > Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My parents were born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected to this FORUM where we all unite and communicate in! > > > > Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals once given LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master wants them to do! > > > > Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill enemies! Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more loyal than their human masters even! Hence the confusion!! > > > > Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be bullied by his sister who happens to be a cat! > > > > Parents DO matter! All species!! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-) RR_, , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of > > Farsi > > > > and > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > > fortune of > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > > one of > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent > > poet > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a > > person of > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > > subject of > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > > books still > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke > > Nawab, > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Cc: > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is > > there. > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Thanks astroimran. You may find the following of interest too:-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_names_for_the_British http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farangi RR_, , " astroimran " <astroimran wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjan, > > The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not " French " . Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was probably derived from the word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended in Europe during the falling days of Roman Empire. In Persian language, people of white skinned Europeans were called " farangi " . In the South Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word is pronounced as " faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or Portuguese). > > Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms respectively connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in Indian sub continent, until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was referred to British Officer and vilaayat meant England/UK. > > Sincerely, > M. Imran > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Raj Bhaiyaa, > > > > You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant of wonderment: Firangee! > > > > Firangee = Firenchee = French! > > > > Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My parents were born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected to this FORUM where we all unite and communicate in! > > > > Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals once given LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master wants them to do! > > > > Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill enemies! Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more loyal than their human masters even! Hence the confusion!! > > > > Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be bullied by his sister who happens to be a cat! > > > > Parents DO matter! All species!! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts, and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this competetive world. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of Farsi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the fortune of > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent poet > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a person of > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the subject of > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two books still > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is there. > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Thanks for your beautiful and " vargottama " sharing Raj_dada! You are a few years older than me, so in future please do not use the tail-piece 'jee' when addressing me :-) Your sharing of a personal experience very graphically illustrated what I was trying to say in Msg. # 71699 about modern warfare. And they have gotten a lot worse since 1971, I am afraid :-( Without going too detailed and boring the people on this forum or pissing them off, as I generally end up doing -- unintentionally, I have always been intrigued by this 'mind' thing that many spiritually advanced individuals have pooh-poohed, giving more value to this intangible, difficult to experience *entity* accepted as Atman/soul. Mind being more tangible and more definable has always represented to me as the conduit, the interface, the I/O unit, the lifeline between the worldly and physical here and the intangible *there* which to me has always been represented as the OTHER LIGHT, viz. the SUN! When there is a good connection and harmony between the moon and sun in a chart, the conduit of information is open and leads to better utilization of the connection between here and 'there' and the KOSHAS of Experiencing are better served during the lifetime. It does not mean that the lifetime would be a party -- but simply that there will be a sense of satisfaction that a job has been well-done. Obviously, there would be secondary influences, modulations, modifying factors just as is to be expected in jyotish considerations. These influences add the nuances and add richness and variety to the 'human experience'. Around 'shukla-dashami' is a good place to be in, generally for one who wishes to 'observe' and to get closer to one's 'witness-self'. Anyways -- Happy Valentine's day! Rohiniranjan , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Dear Rohini Ji and Imran Ji, > > Very interesting feedback on the Firangi ! And lo, I had always been > thinking that Firang is a crude pronunciation /vernacular translation of > Foreigners, and Firangi came in usage during first Sepoy mutiny of 1857 > in Central India, against English empire, and there was some sense of > hatred in this word against English people, which spread in other parts > of India, right from Afghanistan to Sonar Bangla ! Anayway ! > > > This Bambai kay Baboo (Main Bambai ka Babu naam mera anjaana,English > dhun men gaoon main Hindustaani Gana, and , Ai dil hai mushkil jeena > yahan, Zara hatke zara bachke ye hai Bombay meri Jaan- immortalised by > Johny Walker in Naya Daur and CID), has taken me to Bangladesh and > Pakistan (Karachi). > I had already become very nostaligic, when Rohini Ji mentioned about > Bangladesh. It reminded me of a 22 years old young Airman,who had > witnessed the Bangladesh liberation war between India and Pakistan. I > remember the 2 nights in Rangpur and Saidpur, and first time in my life > I had understood the meaning of Ghost Cities. Where only Wind cries in > Maataam, where one gets scared to death by one's own shadow and the > sound of boots echoing in the dim moonlight.Where shops and markets, > their doors wide open and inviting, but no one in the shops, neither > any Maalik nor the customers, and horrified and wailing dogs searching > for company and safety of human beings. Stench of dead bodies,wading > like awaara souls , instilled a chnage of heart in me like that of many > great and not so great warriors in the Kalinga War. It all changed me > from within. The spectrum of War, violence, the killings, the hatred > between countries and communities. Many of my companions were trying to > overcome their fears or grief or tiredness by sipping Rum , but I could > make out, most of them had no life within. But all knew, next morning > they may have to again fight the visible or some not so visible and the > unseen enemy, and did their best to snatch some sleep. I was just > rendering in my heart " Aai maalik tere bande hum, aise hon hamare karam, > neki par chalen aur badi se daren ,taki haste huye nikle dum. > > > Rohini Ji, you remember once I wrote in a mail that I have Mars in > lagna(Sc) and Jup in 2nd house. Today I will add that my Moon is in Ca, > Rahu in Ar, Sat and Venus in Le, Sun in Vi and Mer,Ketu in Li. In my > Navamsha and Dashansha Mars is debilited in 10th house. After > Bangladesh, look at my conection with Pakistan also. My ancestors were > renowned astrologers from Rawalpindi, I was born in Ambala in 1948. > Rohini has called me Raj Bhaiya. Imran from Karachi is also known to me > thro exchange of few mails. I left the Air Force at the first available > opportunity, joined a bank, changed 2 banks, became Asst Gen Mgr,and > took voluntarily retirement to practice full time astrology, as I had > developed interest in astrology and learnt bit of poojas also after > leaving the Air Force. > > My father, mother,elder sister and brother and other kith and kin had > suffered untold miseries during the partition of India and became > refugee in own country, living in camps. My father had never allowed > anyone to do any worship or keep any idol at home, never allowed us to > go to temples. Why did I go to witness war ? Why did I start doing some > pooja ? Why did I start taking interest in astolgy on my own and never > disclosed this to any one (My father, who died in 1989, mother who died > in 1997,brothers and sisters) except my wife and 2 daughters ? Why did i > went on searching spree of old astrology books in Printing Houses and > Libraries, wherever I was posted in India.Why did I start using the > internet for learning about jyotish, the year internet was introduced in > India in 1999? How I have been interacting with both of you ? Is it some > Maya of MARS and JUP, who have strength of 8 and 9 in my Vaiseshikansha, > and Sun is my Atmakaraka ? No one can describe the meanings of word > Maya, which appears in our scriptures, holy books, dictionaries, bhajans > and songs of our saints, poets and soofi saints. I love only one line of > Kabir " MAYA MAHA THAGINI MAIN JAANI " . I feel blessed to experience this > Maya ,but I cannot explain the meaning or the birth time of Maya. Does > It take birth with us, hidden in our soul ? I mean , like the Adam and > Hawwa , the first creation of Brahma ? When and where, I do not know and > I feel that I have understand bit of it in my life , so far, but I > cannot explain, how and what the Maya is and what it's meaning is ! > Sadhu, Sadhu ! > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > , " astroimran " <astroimran@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan, > > > > The origin of Indian vernacular term " firangi " or " farangi " is not > " French " . Farangi is anyone who is from Farang. And " farang " was > probably derived from the word " Frank " - a Germanic tribe who ascended > in Europe during the falling days of Roman Empire. In Persian language, > people of white skinned Europeans were called " farangi " . In the South > Indian languages as well as in Arabic, the word is pronounced as > " faranji " for Europeans (whether they are English, French or > Portuguese). > > > > Note the expressions " gora saab " or " vilaayat " . These two terms > respectively connote, 'white skinned officer' and 'abroad'. But in > Indian sub continent, until mid 20th century, gora saab/sahib was > referred to British Officer and vilaayat meant England/UK. > > > > Sincerely, > > M. Imran > > http://astroimran.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > Raj Bhaiyaa, > > > > > > You left out one word that always bothered me almost to the extant > of wonderment: Firangee! > > > > > > Firangee = Firenchee = French! > > > > > > Once figured out -- any language is really so easy to learn! My > parents were born in what we would now call Bangla Desh - very connected > to this FORUM where we all unite and communicate in! > > > > > > Forget about humans who are overly blessed anyways! Even animals > once given LOVE end up learning what their human companion or Master > wants them to do! > > > > > > Even PIT_BULLs - a vicious strain raised to be strong and to kill > enemies! Enemies determined by their masters to whom they remain more > loyal than their human masters even! Hence the confusion!! > > > > > > Some pit_bulls are different! I know one that allows himself to be > bullied by his sister who happens to be a cat! > > > > > > Parents DO matter! All species!! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Rohini Ji,just as " Who comes there " in English-Indian Army > was used by Indian Soldiers as " HUKAM SADAR " ,in those days and is now > used properly in defence as, Halt !Who comes there by guards on duty. > Then there are a number of Persian,Latin,French,English words which have > become permanent part of even our " Raj Bhasha Hindi " , like ticket, > pass-book, plateform,Board, box, Rail,Train ,motor,car, cycle, tax,taxi, > film, sex,boot, bank, blanco (for whitening the belts and anklets in the > defence), rocket, bomb,excep that little nasty thing called Goli,which > is still very popular and widely used as Goli in a number of contexts, > and we are further universalising and integreting with the world, with > telephone, TV,computer, internet,e-mail, blog, Mobile,Chat,SMS, to name > just a few. So, there is no end to learning and improving in this > competetive world. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani > as it was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in > Uttar > > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called > Urdu these > > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi > Boli and > > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how > the > > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective > about how > > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The > texts by > > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out > the > > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then > the fault > > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of > ideal > > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to > guage the > > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved > at the > > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or > even > > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these > ancients > > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a > mix of Farsi > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > fortune of > > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - > 1627 was > > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor > Akbar. He was a > > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an > excellent poet > > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was > exceptional > > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native > but a person of > > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > subject of > > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These > two books still > > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in > Astrology. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information > regarding > > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding > Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke > Nawab, who was a > > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION > OF AN > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with > sophisticated > > > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ > H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, > Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, > Punjraj, > > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE > NABAB is there. > > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this > âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. > Get it NOW! > > > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Is it based on animals or traditional one based on specific effect as per their classicals?How does it relate and work out on human affairs.probably follow Huna Astrology? Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sun, 2/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Bambai kay Baboo! Sunday, February 14, 2010, 3:20 PM  English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-) RR_, , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > RR_, > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of > > Farsi > > > > and > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > > fortune of > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > > one of > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent > > poet > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a > > person of > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > > subject of > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > > books still > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke > > Nawab, > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is > > there. > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 The Traditional one is based on 9 animals and 3 humans, dada! Ariya, tavaru,... etc ;-) RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Is it based on animals or traditional one based on specific effect as per their classicals?How does it relate and work out on human affairs.probably follow Huna Astrology? > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sun, 2/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Bambai kay Baboo! > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 3:20 PM >  > > > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it > > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu these > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi Boli and > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective about how > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then the fault > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to guage the > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved at the > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these ancients > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of > > > > Farsi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > > > > fortune of > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - 1627 was > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. He was a > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an excellent > > > > poet > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a > > > > person of > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > > > > subject of > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > > > > books still > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke > > > > Nawab, > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, who was a > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with sophisticated > > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > > > > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE NABAB is > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa. Regards, Chandrashekhar. On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-) > > RR_, > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu > these > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi > Boli and > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective > about how > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then > the fault > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to > guage the > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved > at the > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these > ancients > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of > > > Farsi > > > > > and > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > > > fortune of > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - > 1627 was > > > > > one of > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. > He was a > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an > excellent > > > poet > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a > > > person of > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > > > subject of > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > > > books still > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke > > > Nawab, > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, > who was a > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with > sophisticated > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Cc: > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > > > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, > Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE > NABAB is > > > there. > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Rohini Ji, Hindustrani and Hindavi is same thing, some people likes to make groundless statements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindavi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindavi> Utkal. , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it > > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu > > these > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi > > Boli and > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective > > about how > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then > > the fault > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to > > guage the > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved > > at the > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these > > ancients > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of > > > > Farsi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > > > > fortune of > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - > > 1627 was > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. > > He was a > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an > > excellent > > > > poet > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a > > > > person of > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > > > > subject of > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > > > > books still > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke > > > > Nawab, > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > who was a > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with > > sophisticated > > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > > > > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, > > Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE > > NABAB is > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 No no, Sir! I meant in modern Hindustani! :-) , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-) > > > > RR_, > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani as it > > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in Uttar > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called Urdu > > these > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi > > Boli and > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on how the > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective > > about how > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The texts by > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then > > the fault > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk of ideal > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to > > guage the > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved > > at the > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these > > ancients > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a mix of > > > > Farsi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > > > > fortune of > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - > > 1627 was > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. > > He was a > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an > > excellent > > > > poet > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was exceptional > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native but a > > > > person of > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > > > > subject of > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > > > > books still > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in Astrology. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding Lucknow Ke > > > > Nawab, > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > who was a > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with > > sophisticated > > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > > > > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, > > Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, Punjraj, > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE > > NABAB is > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Rohini, You are right. Regards, Chandrashekhar. On 2/16/2010 1:31 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > No no, Sir! I meant in modern Hindustani! :-) > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > > > True, but not at the time of Khan Khanaa. > > > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > On 2/15/2010 1:50 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > English is everywhere Chandrashekhar including here...;-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > Yes, almost like that without the English part of it. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/2010 1:15 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for that info. So it must be very similar to hindustani > as it > > > > > was called in Central India a few decades ago and was a mix of > > > > > urdu/pharsi and hindi with a smidgen of english thrown in as well! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ranjan, > > > > > > > > > > > > HindavI was a mix of Farsi and a dialect of Hindi spoken in > Uttar > > > > > > Pradesh. Over time that, perhaps, evolved as what is called > Urdu > > > these > > > > > > days. The Hindi that is in use in offices these days is Khadi > > > Boli and > > > > > > there are many other dialects that are spoken now. > > > > > > > > > > > > The texts give some yogas and also some different take on > how the > > > > > > planets manifest. So it does help broaden one's perspective > > > about how > > > > > > the planets can manifest in certain peculiar positions. The > texts by > > > > > > themselves might not help much unless one tries to find out the > > > > > > astrological logic behind the construction of yogas. But then > > > the fault > > > > > > perhaps lies with those who try to fit the texts that talk > of ideal > > > > > > position to real life charts literally instead of trying to > > > guage the > > > > > > possible effect in view of the person place and times involved > > > at the > > > > > > time of prediction. Or that is how I look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/13/2010 10:19 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chadrashekhar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this 'Hindvi' you speak of -- different from Hindi or even > > > > > > > Hindustani that was spoken in India in the 50s and 60s? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see any specific indices or indicators from these > > > ancients > > > > > > > that have helped Jyotish or Jyotishis! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than Katwe and sade sati! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Kulbirjee is right. KeTakutuhalama is written in a > mix of > > > > > Farsi > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Hindvi language. It is a good book. I have not yet had the > > > > > fortune of > > > > > > > > reading YogavalI that is mentioned by Kulbirjee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/12/2010 4:08 PM, Lalkitab wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > Lucknow ke nawab could be Abdul Rahim Khankhana 1556 - > > > 1627 was > > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > > the nine Navratna's in the court of Mughal emperor Akbar. > > > He was a > > > > > > > > > great admirer of Indian civilization. He was also an > > > excellent > > > > > poet > > > > > > > > > and an Astrologer. His command over Sanskrit was > exceptional > > > > > > > > > considering the fact that he was not an Indian native > but a > > > > > person of > > > > > > > > > Iranian origin. Two of his works are masterpieces on the > > > > > subject of > > > > > > > > > astrology- Khet Kautukam and Dwawishd Yogavali. These two > > > > > books still > > > > > > > > > act as books of reference for people interested in > Astrology. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Lalkitab Kb > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I have found the information in some other group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your views and information regarding > > > > > > > > > VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I have collected information regarding > Lucknow Ke > > > > > Nawab, > > > > > > > > > Nasir âEUR " ud âEUR " Din was one of the Lucknow Ke Nawab, > > > who was a > > > > > > > > > popular monarch and was responsible for the > CONSTRUCTION OF AN > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGICAL CENTRE, TARUNVALI KOTHI, equipped with > > > sophisticated > > > > > > > > > instruments. > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > with regards....rabinder bhandari > > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 1 February, 2010 5:52:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Lukhnau ke Nabab, > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > I am studying books written by VIDHYARATHIÂ H.N.KATTWE, > > > > > > > > > > He refers to Prashar, Mantreshwar, Neelkanth, Agyat, > > > > > Venketeshwar, > > > > > > > > > Viadyanath, Kalidas, Narayan bhatt, Brahyavanjatak, > > > Narayan bhaat, > > > > > > > > > Harivansh, Gholap , Gopal Ratnakar, Vashisht, Garg, > Punjraj, > > > > > > > > > Jaageshwar, Shri Chitrey, Aryagranth, Dhindiraaj, > > > > > > > > > > Western thought; > > > > > > > > > > At the same time mention and quotes from LUKHNAU KE > > > NABAB is > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > Could someone tell me Who or What is this > âEURoeLUKHNAU KE > > > > > > > NABABâEUR?. > > > > > > > > > > In anticipation. > > > > > > > > > > Â Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized > IE8. 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