Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Dear Friends, ***************************************** This is not a reply to any members thread, but take it as additional information on the subject if you like, or just ignore this. ***************************************** I have a Telugu version of Swami Vivekanada Biography (Sri Vivekananda Jeevita Charitra), written by Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami of RamaKrishnaMutt, published first 10th Nov 1939, bearing ISBN 81-7823-318-5 (16th reprint edition). In this book, the author gave Horoscope of Sri Vivekananda Swami in the appendix with the following details (Translated in English by me as follows). Sri Vivekanada Swami, born in Dundhubhi Naama Samvatsar, Pushya Maasa, Krishna Saptami, Monday (Somvaar) Year 1863, January 12th morning in the star of Hastha, with Dhanus Lagna, approximately 6hrs 34 minutes (Suryodayaatpoorvam 6minutes = 6minutes before Sunrise) in Calcutta. Janana Kaala Chandra Mahadasa sesham ( Balance of Moon MahaDasa ) 4 years, 2 months, 12 days. Also, the Niraayana Raasi chart & Navamsha charts as given below. Raasi Chart: Lagna : Dhanus ; Capricorn : Sun, Mercury, Venus ; Aries : Mars ; Taurus : Ketu; Virgo : Moon, Saturn ; Libra : Jupiter ; Scorpio : Rahu; Navamsha Chart : Scorpio : Navamsha Lagna ; Capricorn : Sun, Rahu; Aquarius : Venus; Pisces : Mercury, Moon; Taurus : Saturn, Mars ; Cancer : Ketu Also, the Author refers the Sayana Chart of Swamiji by famous Western Astrologer Alan Leo as follows ( 11th collection, 47 chapter, 380 serial no. in that book ) : Sayana Raasi Chart : Capricorn : Lagna : 18deg Sun : 22deg Venus : 29deg Aquarius : Mercury : 4deg Aries : Mars : 28deg Gemini : Ketu (DT) Libra : Moon : 9deg30min : Jupiter : 26deg : Saturn : 5deg30min Sagittarius : Rahu (DH) Also, the following analysis is give thereof Swamiji (as translated by me into English). In the Horoscope of Swamiji, Lagna Lord Jupiter gives Wisdom. The Same Vargottam Jupiter being in Tula Navamsha leads him to Moksha. Samasaptaka of Lagna Lord Jupiter & Mars gives him Great Vairaagya. Kaaraka for Education Mercury being in second house of Speech Makara with conjunction of Sun and also exchange yoga with Saturn gives him extraordinary Oratory skills. The Conjunction of Sun, Mercury & Venus Shows Swamiji's extraordinary power, global recognition, & mass following (worship). Eighth lord Moon in conjunction with second lord Saturn shows Swamiji attaining Moksha in the Dasa of Jupiter. Author's Note : (Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami ) (The Chart and the analysis as written above is provided by Famous Astrologer Sri Kanchi Subrahmanya Sastry of Bhimannapeta, Mylapore, Chennai.) Somewhere in the same book, the author says about birth of Swamiji on the day of Sankranti celebration. ( Sun's ingress into Capricorn) ------------- All the above is verbatim from the Telugu book, I am neither knowledgeable nor authority in discussing the same. I tried to upload scanned page, but due to size it would not let me in the files section. Thanks, Ravi Gollapalli. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Lalit?Utkal, > > the same lines were said by people whom u had attacked and shut the doors on u, when I gave u a chance to show ur study/growth [if any on the subject] in all fairness based on the projection/reading by PVN ji all of them attacked him for giving u a clean future provided u GAVE UP ur martian instincts > > I had justified it saying we have enough ppl who have reformed like Valmilki, pundalik, purandara dasa, Yogi Vemmana, Aurobindo gosh etc.]aurobindo was not in the list of bad ppl for a good freedom fighter he became a reformer] > > if given the time and space. > > but u in no time started debunking PVN JI himself. what to speak of small ppl like us. we have no connection with gods we r connected to human lives around us and am happy if we can make a difference in a few positively we also accept we may fail also in in a few but do our best, with best in our hearts, brains to help, rest is left to the collective karma. > > we never claim we r indispensable, absolute ppl b4 us r ignorant ppl i am here to enlighten u > > now u have not presented the cases u claim similarity to ur makara lagna figures , asish nehra and co pl analyse their charts in some detail not one line Earthly sign ppl > many of their achievements r in the public domain still. > > and to equate a sanyasins to these materialistic figures is something > > also remember I agreed to the 3 points aid why he won;t be interested in swamis chart > > there can be a 4th REASON no saffron clad person in this country will ever be taken seriously as we have been taught to hate SAFFRON so one one will ever be born here. we r curtsy the leftists historians, isecular politicians. > > NOW PROVE MY ABUSE i allowed ur critism on me then and now as we value freedom knowldege from anyone > > as many have said VIDYA VINAYA SAMPANE that is missing > > I had said u ned a image make over even if u working othe truth it will be lost it is for ur good. > > and remember still ppl will buy the books KNR, BVR wrote and will go on- even if u shout from the roof top. if u anger more ppl in th e net world chances of selling a book is surely ruled out, chances of a free book being read u've seen already. > > in future if u attack me a a moderator I will surely delete ur mail, no explaination will be given comment with some content, no moderator has allowed mails critising them as I have. > AS THE SUBJECT IS SUPREME not small individuals like us who come and go. > what we leave behind must talk for us, > > > > Best wishes > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi > > Sat, February 13, 2010 6:05:36 PM > Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda 13/2 > > > > Dear GB Prashant, > > You are misusing the position of moderator handed over to you by group > owner Tanweer Ji. > > You have been harping on that in the past people have worked on Swami > Vivekanada's life and horoscope. > > Can you give valid reference to any two efforts and analysis of Swami > Ji's horoscope, I w'd like to know from you who could see death of 3 > sister's of Swami Vivekananda - Sri BV Raman, KN Rao or PV Narsimha or > any boy from your ICAS. > > Pls give reference or stop saying that every thing was seen in the past, > > Lie and liers can get respect ... their tears are a waste, do not shed > tears, you wont get anything by such gimmicks, show your accountability > to vedanga jyotish and people who come to you for astrological guidance. > > Utkal. > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Nandini, > > > > A good move as this will set some work on hand for all those > interested in trying to find the truth in birth time cases the family, > nurses, doctors alone can be accurate rest are only reported depending > on the day,, nature of delivery as well. > > > > but no one else must claim more to these data mmax they can work, > analyse , present their case, leave it to public to read, analyse accept > them or stand by status quo for the work has already done by some in the > past generations with little pretence of such claims to be in direct > contact with god.... yet treat their fellow human beings with utter > disrespect that is something strange inst it...? Love, compassion, care, > forgiveness. tolerance must be their benchmarks.. ... > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow \ > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > nandini kakan_leo@ . > > > > Sat, February 13, 2010 4:54:39 AM > > Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > You may already be aware of this but this is what I have found. There > are two books written by Swami Nikhilananda, as is evident from the > following link. > > > > http://www.ramakrishna.org/catalog/bk_sv.htm > > > > 1. Vivekananda: Yogas and Other Works - the 2nd book in the catalog > > The scan that RRji has kindly uploaded is from this book and we can > see the birth time there as 6:49 - 'a few minutes AFTER sunrise'. > > > > 2. Vivekananda: A Biography - the 3rd book in the catalog > > This one states the time as 6:33 - 'a few minutes BEFORE sunrise'. PDF > versions of this book are available at two sites at least. I hope and > pray there are no copyright issues involved in these. > > > > http://www.vivekana nda.net/PDFBooks /BiographybyNikh ilananda. pdf > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/18716/ BIOGRAPHY- OF-SWAMI- VIVEKANANDA > > > > I hope this helps in your search. > > > > Regards, > > Nandini > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Since Utkal jee is exploring this, Nandini, I do not think it would > be fair to expect him to simply move on. To help his exploration, why > don't you provide the links etc so that he could satisfy himself > further. > > > > > > The only way Jyotish research is going to flourish healthily is by > doing what scientists practice as a minimum, namely, sharing citations > and references etc. > > > > > > I hope you agree with my philosophy in this matter. The more we > share, the more collective knowledge grows and the Sun of Wisdom shines > on all equally :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone is trying to prove you wrong. They are just > stating the source of the data they are working from. > > > > > > > > I think both the times 6:49 am and 6:33 am come from two different > books written by the same author Swami Nikhilananda - both published by > Ramkrishna Mission. > > > > > > > > Sometimes birth times are NOT recorded correctly and we just have > to accept that and move on. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > This is true that we are brothers born to different mothers, if > they let > > > > > his feeling grow within them, obviously, a harmonious > environment will > > > > > be created to take the Jyotish to the next step. > > > > > > > > > > They begin " cat-fights " out of perceived in security, but this > is mere a > > > > > perception, a wrong perception. > > > > > > > > > > Who rejects and disrespect icons of Jyotish in 20'th century, > whether BV > > > > > Raman or KN Rao, at least not me, still, there are beliefs, > theories and > > > > > principles with tons of contradictions, Internet gives us > opportunity to > > > > > work on them, we have more resources and as we are either > working or > > > > > living in several countries we have access to several cultures > and > > > > > societies we can cross check validity of contradictory > principles, any > > > > > thing settled down this way w'd be asset for all but they are > not open > > > > > and ready for it. > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason they like to first make a scene of > personality > > > > > crisis, this is regression. > > > > > > > > > > I had a feeling of gratitude towards those who created waves of > liberty > > > > > when country was in slavery, with this gratitude I made efforts > for > > > > > getting correct janma lagna of Swami Ji, that even helps > everybody as we > > > > > come to know what makes a Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > I was alone but determined, This tuesday, I spoke to Swami > Chetananada > > > > > the author of " God Lived with Them " in which biography of 16 > direct > > > > > disciples of Thakur Ram Krishna Paramhansha is given, > fortunately he is > > > > > alive, based on his guidelines collected other books and came to > know > > > > > how incorrect birth time floated, it's only a human mistake, I > also came > > > > > to know about developments in writing biography's of Swami > Vivekananda, > > > > > publication of each biography gave a way to people to provide > more > > > > > information on Swami Ji's life, this led to publication of next > > > > > biography, lastly, Sri Ram Krishna Mission published a detailed > > > > > biography in set of 3 volumes, it gives every hour description > of Swami > > > > > Ji's death, Jyotish has an opportunity to understand how he made > his > > > > > mind to leave the world, Mission has discussed the confusion > over Swami > > > > > Ji's horoscope and lagna, Mission said the birth time is either > 6.43 or > > > > > 6.49 am in the morning, they are inclined towards 6.49 am, this > birth > > > > > time is printed in 3 books published by them, but, our net icons > had no > > > > > time to refer to books published by Ram Krishna Mission and > their > > > > > effort, these net icons used their energy against me, what's the > reason, > > > > > what's the achievement ? > > > > > > > > > > If, we get correct birth time of swami ji, will that be a loss, > whose > > > > > loss ? > > > > > > > > > > Ability to have freedom of thoughts is very very important, most > of us > > > > > don't give this freedom to ourselves. > > > > > History shows in any war against freedom, slaves are used in > large > > > > > number, a freedom that they wanted for themselves but they were > fighting > > > > > against it, I never understood it's cause. Swami Vivekananda had > two > > > > > younger brothers, we are not aware in what condition their > family is > > > > > living now, If god enables me,I w'd visit Calcutta after July 10 > and w'd > > > > > try to meet family members of Swami Ji's brothers. > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth be told, I am getting pretty sick and tired of all these > > > > > " cat-fights " and 'dog-brawls' that are going on in the domain of > Jyotish > > > > > by individuals who think they are serving Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > Without mincing words, THIS 'Astro-world' you talk of in some > kind of > > > > > 'Mandir-Bhakti mode' is not so much interested in exploring > truth as it > > > > > is in petty fights and one-upmanship! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please leave me out of all these puny political GAMES! Those > who wish > > > > > to serve Jyotish -- must stop hoisting their puny petards and > realize > > > > > that IT is not about them or the tiny segment of the human > society that > > > > > reads them or about them. We all know how that DRAMA plays out > in these > > > > > Internet woods, don't we all? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always found Jyotish as a very small island that is > crumbling > > > > > at its edges! If we continue to fight one another and create > more > > > > > dissension for our own egotistical purposes, the crumbling edges > of this > > > > > very small island will just continue to crumble and it would not > even > > > > > take a Tsunami to decimate it and make it vanish into the ocean > of > > > > > scepticism and ignorance! > > > > > > > > > > > > A house divided makes enemies out of brothers and friends. > Friends, > > > > > please remember are really brothers born to other mothers! > > > > > > > > > > > > The fragile fingers fighting one another can only show their > strength > > > > > when they come together in the form of a fist! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for making the astro world aware of Swami Ji's birth > time > > > > > which > > > > > > > is 6.49 am, It's given in several books published by Sri > RamKrishna > > > > > > > Mission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earlier, you gave only ISBN no of the book, therefore, I had > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > in locating it,, but today after speaking to an authority of > Sri > > > > > > > Ramkrishna Mission collected other books giving light on > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s birth time, in the mean time, you already > uploaded > > > > > scanned > > > > > > > copy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When, I first looked at Swami Ji's dhanu lagna chart, I > found > > > > > abysmal > > > > > > > gap between his life and his chart, I had no supportive > document to > > > > > > > uphold my understanding, but, divine urge kept me moving in > right > > > > > > > direction and within a short span of time I have more then > > > > > sufficient > > > > > > > documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's strange that so called astro scholars ignored the fact > of Swami > > > > > > > ji's life and kept drumming at dhanu lagna, these guy's > don't do > > > > > self > > > > > > > study and begin teaching to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be writing in detail on Swami Ji's life and birth > time on > > > > > > > thursday evening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum, obviously due to space constraints, cannot > allow > > > > > higher > > > > > > > resolution scans to be accepted by the files area. So I > uploaded a > > > > > lower > > > > > > > res scan because the first ones bounced back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What looks like a 19 in the birthminutes is 49. I am not > going to > > > > > > > waste my time in rescanning! If you want a higher res scan > > > > > (~1.5-2MB) > > > > > > > please send private email using the forum email send-mail > option and > > > > > I > > > > > > > will send it to you (it shows 2 pages with the wonderful > swami with > > > > > the > > > > > > > deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of > venus in > > > > > > > ascendant and capricorn (even when it exists in navamsha!).. > .) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a book titled: Vivekanda The Yoga and Other > Works, Chosen > > > > > and > > > > > > > with a biography by Swami Nikhilananda Published by the > > > > > > > Ramakrishna- Vivekananda Center, New York, ISBN-0-911206- > 04-3, pub. > > > > > > > September 11, 1953 (interesting date!), 3rd printing 1984. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless the publishers decided to 'doctor' the data, not > sure why > > > > > > > they would -- and I purchase this book from an authentic > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > Ashram > > > > > > > > > outlet, I would tend to believe this! A scan of the > relevant > > > > > page is > > > > > > > being uploaded to the files area. Please arrive at your own > > > > > conclusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > Kumar G B > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is a reply from true scholar, with more detail on > what we > > > > > > > have been saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that B V RAMAN ji, KN RAO ji and rishies who lived, > practiced > > > > > the > > > > > > > vedic way of life with more dedication, devotion than us for > decades > > > > > if > > > > > > > not more and surely their care, helping nature would have > added more > > > > > > > intuition from the DIVINE than a mere claimant to it with so > much > > > > > vanity > > > > > > > than vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he progresses we surely will compliment him but is > rather > > > > > going > > > > > > > down the PATHALA route. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we wish him well still. hope his mother guides him > here.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRow \ > > > > > \ > > > > > > > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> > > > > > > > > > > kn_rao@; Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>; > Deepak > > > > > > > Bisaria <deepakbisaria@ >; Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> ; > Lalit > > > > > Mishra > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ >; knrastro@; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr108@> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: jyotishi55@; aavesh t <aavesh_s@>; Mee Shuba Vela > > > > > <pkgoteti@>; > > > > > > > praspandey@; Ajitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadi@ > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 9, 2010 12:38:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book > ( " God Lived > > > > > > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri > > > > > > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in > that > > > > > book > > > > > > > for an interesting Jyotish research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami > Vivekananda' s > > > > > birthtime > > > > > > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > > > > > > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive > work. That > > > > > book > > > > > > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before > sunrise " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that > someone > > > > > > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This > is plain > > > > > > > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had > Makara lagna > > > > > and > > > > > > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. > Often an > > > > > > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you > had > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of > interest to > > > > > > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can > be a > > > > > > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what > is the > > > > > goal > > > > > > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail > cover > > > > > topics > > > > > > > related to visions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ > 3651 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so > much > > > > > difference > > > > > > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. > Message > > > > > 3481 > > > > > > > of gives a small account of a few of > my > > > > > > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ > 3481 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been > working > > > > > very > > > > > > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably > intelligent > > > > > > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit > and I > > > > > can > > > > > > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother > tongue. > > > > > Yet, > > > > > > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my > > > > > bearings in > > > > > > > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth > of > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, > arrogance > > > > > and > > > > > > > self-importance you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa > dadaati > > > > > > > vinayam! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- - > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish > Writings, > > > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and > Pitri > > > > > Tarpana: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: > http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s > Birth Time > > > > > & > > > > > > > Lagna !! > > > > > > > > > > > " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ >, knrastro@, > kn_rao@, > > > > > > > " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar@> , " Chandrashekhar " > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr108@>, > > > > > " Narasimha > > > > > > > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s@>, jyotishi55@, " Ajitkumar > Benadi " > > > > > > > <ajitbenadi@ >, praspandey@, " Mee Shuba Vela " <pkgoteti@> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should > know > > > > > > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort > for > > > > > > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New > Delhi, I > > > > > > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to > visit > > > > > > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri > RamKrishna Math, > > > > > > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a > biography of > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh > will > > > > > > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The > sanyasi > > > > > > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish > world and > > > > > > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement > saying - > > > > > > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples > of > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 > am, > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your > choice - > > > > > > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct > birth time > > > > > > > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish > world, a hath > > > > > > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown > to > > > > > > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi > Rah > > > > > > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you > had > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Good stuff! Thanks for paying attention to details! This is the kind of thing we should all emulate in our sincere dealings about Jyotish! Regards, Rohiniranjan , " sbt_ravi " <sbt_ravi wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > ***************************************** > This is not a reply to any members thread, but take it as additional information on the subject if you like, or just ignore this. > ***************************************** > > I have a Telugu version of Swami Vivekanada Biography (Sri Vivekananda Jeevita Charitra), > written by Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami of RamaKrishnaMutt, published first 10th Nov 1939, > bearing ISBN 81-7823-318-5 (16th reprint edition). In this book, the author gave Horoscope > of Sri Vivekananda Swami in the appendix with the following details (Translated in English > by me as follows). > > Sri Vivekanada Swami, born in Dundhubhi Naama Samvatsar, Pushya Maasa, Krishna Saptami, > Monday (Somvaar) Year 1863, January 12th morning in the star of Hastha, with Dhanus Lagna, > approximately 6hrs 34 minutes (Suryodayaatpoorvam 6minutes = 6minutes before Sunrise) in > Calcutta. Janana Kaala Chandra Mahadasa sesham ( Balance of Moon MahaDasa ) 4 years, > 2 months, 12 days. > > Also, the Niraayana Raasi chart & Navamsha charts as given below. > Raasi Chart: > Lagna : Dhanus ; Capricorn : Sun, Mercury, Venus ; Aries : Mars ; Taurus : Ketu; > Virgo : Moon, Saturn ; Libra : Jupiter ; Scorpio : Rahu; > > Navamsha Chart : > Scorpio : Navamsha Lagna ; Capricorn : Sun, Rahu; Aquarius : Venus; Pisces : Mercury, Moon; > Taurus : Saturn, Mars ; Cancer : Ketu > > Also, the Author refers the Sayana Chart of Swamiji by famous Western Astrologer Alan Leo as > follows ( 11th collection, 47 chapter, 380 serial no. in that book ) : > > Sayana Raasi Chart : > > Capricorn : Lagna : 18deg > Sun : 22deg > Venus : 29deg > Aquarius : Mercury : 4deg > Aries : Mars : 28deg > Gemini : Ketu (DT) > Libra : Moon : 9deg30min > : Jupiter : 26deg > : Saturn : 5deg30min > Sagittarius : Rahu (DH) > > Also, the following analysis is give thereof Swamiji (as translated by me into English). > In the Horoscope of Swamiji, Lagna Lord Jupiter gives Wisdom. The Same Vargottam Jupiter being > in Tula Navamsha leads him to Moksha. Samasaptaka of Lagna Lord Jupiter & Mars gives him Great Vairaagya. > Kaaraka for Education Mercury being in second house of Speech Makara with conjunction of Sun and also > exchange yoga with Saturn gives him extraordinary Oratory skills. The Conjunction of Sun, Mercury & Venus > Shows Swamiji's extraordinary power, global recognition, & mass following (worship). > Eighth lord Moon in conjunction with second lord Saturn shows Swamiji attaining Moksha in the > Dasa of Jupiter. > > Author's Note : (Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami ) > (The Chart and the analysis as written above is provided by Famous Astrologer Sri Kanchi Subrahmanya > Sastry of Bhimannapeta, Mylapore, Chennai.) > > Somewhere in the same book, the author says about birth of Swamiji on the day of Sankranti celebration. > ( Sun's ingress into Capricorn) > ------------- > > All the above is verbatim from the Telugu book, I am neither knowledgeable nor authority in discussing the same. > > I tried to upload scanned page, but due to size it would not let me in the files section. > > Thanks, > > Ravi Gollapalli. > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Lalit?Utkal, > > > > the same lines were said by people whom u had attacked and shut the doors on u, when I gave u a chance to show ur study/growth [if any on the subject] in all fairness based on the projection/reading by PVN ji all of them attacked him for giving u a clean future provided u GAVE UP ur martian instincts > > > > I had justified it saying we have enough ppl who have reformed like Valmilki, pundalik, purandara dasa, Yogi Vemmana, Aurobindo gosh etc.]aurobindo was not in the list of bad ppl for a good freedom fighter he became a reformer] > > > > if given the time and space. > > > > but u in no time started debunking PVN JI himself. what to speak of small ppl like us. we have no connection with gods we r connected to human lives around us and am happy if we can make a difference in a few positively we also accept we may fail also in in a few but do our best, with best in our hearts, brains to help, rest is left to the collective karma. > > > > we never claim we r indispensable, absolute ppl b4 us r ignorant ppl i am here to enlighten u > > > > now u have not presented the cases u claim similarity to ur makara lagna figures , asish nehra and co pl analyse their charts in some detail not one line Earthly sign ppl > > many of their achievements r in the public domain still. > > > > and to equate a sanyasins to these materialistic figures is something > > > > also remember I agreed to the 3 points aid why he won;t be interested in swamis chart > > > > there can be a 4th REASON no saffron clad person in this country will ever be taken seriously as we have been taught to hate SAFFRON so one one will ever be born here. we r curtsy the leftists historians, isecular politicians. > > > > NOW PROVE MY ABUSE i allowed ur critism on me then and now as we value freedom knowldege from anyone > > > > as many have said VIDYA VINAYA SAMPANE that is missing > > > > I had said u ned a image make over even if u working othe truth it will be lost it is for ur good. > > > > and remember still ppl will buy the books KNR, BVR wrote and will go on- even if u shout from the roof top. if u anger more ppl in th e net world chances of selling a book is surely ruled out, chances of a free book being read u've seen already. > > > > in future if u attack me a a moderator I will surely delete ur mail, no explaination will be given comment with some content, no moderator has allowed mails critising them as I have. > > AS THE SUBJECT IS SUPREME not small individuals like us who come and go. > > what we leave behind must talk for us, > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@> > > > > Sat, February 13, 2010 6:05:36 PM > > Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda 13/2 > > > > > > > > Dear GB Prashant, > > > > You are misusing the position of moderator handed over to you by group > > owner Tanweer Ji. > > > > You have been harping on that in the past people have worked on Swami > > Vivekanada's life and horoscope. > > > > Can you give valid reference to any two efforts and analysis of Swami > > Ji's horoscope, I w'd like to know from you who could see death of 3 > > sister's of Swami Vivekananda - Sri BV Raman, KN Rao or PV Narsimha or > > any boy from your ICAS. > > > > Pls give reference or stop saying that every thing was seen in the past, > > > > Lie and liers can get respect ... their tears are a waste, do not shed > > tears, you wont get anything by such gimmicks, show your accountability > > to vedanga jyotish and people who come to you for astrological guidance. > > > > Utkal. > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nandini, > > > > > > A good move as this will set some work on hand for all those > > interested in trying to find the truth in birth time cases the family, > > nurses, doctors alone can be accurate rest are only reported depending > > on the day,, nature of delivery as well. > > > > > > but no one else must claim more to these data mmax they can work, > > analyse , present their case, leave it to public to read, analyse accept > > them or stand by status quo for the work has already done by some in the > > past generations with little pretence of such claims to be in direct > > contact with god.... yet treat their fellow human beings with utter > > disrespect that is something strange inst it...? Love, compassion, care, > > forgiveness. tolerance must be their benchmarks.. ... > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow \ > > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > nandini kakan_leo@ . > > > > > > Sat, February 13, 2010 4:54:39 AM > > > Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > You may already be aware of this but this is what I have found. There > > are two books written by Swami Nikhilananda, as is evident from the > > following link. > > > > > > http://www.ramakrishna.org/catalog/bk_sv.htm > > > > > > 1. Vivekananda: Yogas and Other Works - the 2nd book in the catalog > > > The scan that RRji has kindly uploaded is from this book and we can > > see the birth time there as 6:49 - 'a few minutes AFTER sunrise'. > > > > > > 2. Vivekananda: A Biography - the 3rd book in the catalog > > > This one states the time as 6:33 - 'a few minutes BEFORE sunrise'. PDF > > versions of this book are available at two sites at least. I hope and > > pray there are no copyright issues involved in these. > > > > > > http://www.vivekana nda.net/PDFBooks /BiographybyNikh ilananda. pdf > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/18716/ BIOGRAPHY- OF-SWAMI- VIVEKANANDA > > > > > > I hope this helps in your search. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nandini > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Since Utkal jee is exploring this, Nandini, I do not think it would > > be fair to expect him to simply move on. To help his exploration, why > > don't you provide the links etc so that he could satisfy himself > > further. > > > > > > > > The only way Jyotish research is going to flourish healthily is by > > doing what scientists practice as a minimum, namely, sharing citations > > and references etc. > > > > > > > > I hope you agree with my philosophy in this matter. The more we > > share, the more collective knowledge grows and the Sun of Wisdom shines > > on all equally :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone is trying to prove you wrong. They are just > > stating the source of the data they are working from. > > > > > > > > > > I think both the times 6:49 am and 6:33 am come from two different > > books written by the same author Swami Nikhilananda - both published by > > Ramkrishna Mission. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes birth times are NOT recorded correctly and we just have > > to accept that and move on. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true that we are brothers born to different mothers, if > > they let > > > > > > his feeling grow within them, obviously, a harmonious > > environment will > > > > > > be created to take the Jyotish to the next step. > > > > > > > > > > > > They begin " cat-fights " out of perceived in security, but this > > is mere a > > > > > > perception, a wrong perception. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who rejects and disrespect icons of Jyotish in 20'th century, > > whether BV > > > > > > Raman or KN Rao, at least not me, still, there are beliefs, > > theories and > > > > > > principles with tons of contradictions, Internet gives us > > opportunity to > > > > > > work on them, we have more resources and as we are either > > working or > > > > > > living in several countries we have access to several cultures > > and > > > > > > societies we can cross check validity of contradictory > > principles, any > > > > > > thing settled down this way w'd be asset for all but they are > > not open > > > > > > and ready for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason they like to first make a scene of > > personality > > > > > > crisis, this is regression. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a feeling of gratitude towards those who created waves of > > liberty > > > > > > when country was in slavery, with this gratitude I made efforts > > for > > > > > > getting correct janma lagna of Swami Ji, that even helps > > everybody as we > > > > > > come to know what makes a Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was alone but determined, This tuesday, I spoke to Swami > > Chetananada > > > > > > the author of " God Lived with Them " in which biography of 16 > > direct > > > > > > disciples of Thakur Ram Krishna Paramhansha is given, > > fortunately he is > > > > > > alive, based on his guidelines collected other books and came to > > know > > > > > > how incorrect birth time floated, it's only a human mistake, I > > also came > > > > > > to know about developments in writing biography's of Swami > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > publication of each biography gave a way to people to provide > > more > > > > > > information on Swami Ji's life, this led to publication of next > > > > > > biography, lastly, Sri Ram Krishna Mission published a detailed > > > > > > biography in set of 3 volumes, it gives every hour description > > of Swami > > > > > > Ji's death, Jyotish has an opportunity to understand how he made > > his > > > > > > mind to leave the world, Mission has discussed the confusion > > over Swami > > > > > > Ji's horoscope and lagna, Mission said the birth time is either > > 6.43 or > > > > > > 6.49 am in the morning, they are inclined towards 6.49 am, this > > birth > > > > > > time is printed in 3 books published by them, but, our net icons > > had no > > > > > > time to refer to books published by Ram Krishna Mission and > > their > > > > > > effort, these net icons used their energy against me, what's the > > reason, > > > > > > what's the achievement ? > > > > > > > > > > > > If, we get correct birth time of swami ji, will that be a loss, > > whose > > > > > > loss ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ability to have freedom of thoughts is very very important, most > > of us > > > > > > don't give this freedom to ourselves. > > > > > > History shows in any war against freedom, slaves are used in > > large > > > > > > number, a freedom that they wanted for themselves but they were > > fighting > > > > > > against it, I never understood it's cause. Swami Vivekananda had > > two > > > > > > younger brothers, we are not aware in what condition their > > family is > > > > > > living now, If god enables me,I w'd visit Calcutta after July 10 > > and w'd > > > > > > try to meet family members of Swami Ji's brothers. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth be told, I am getting pretty sick and tired of all these > > > > > > " cat-fights " and 'dog-brawls' that are going on in the domain of > > Jyotish > > > > > > by individuals who think they are serving Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without mincing words, THIS 'Astro-world' you talk of in some > > kind of > > > > > > 'Mandir-Bhakti mode' is not so much interested in exploring > > truth as it > > > > > > is in petty fights and one-upmanship! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please leave me out of all these puny political GAMES! Those > > who wish > > > > > > to serve Jyotish -- must stop hoisting their puny petards and > > realize > > > > > > that IT is not about them or the tiny segment of the human > > society that > > > > > > reads them or about them. We all know how that DRAMA plays out > > in these > > > > > > Internet woods, don't we all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always found Jyotish as a very small island that is > > crumbling > > > > > > at its edges! If we continue to fight one another and create > > more > > > > > > dissension for our own egotistical purposes, the crumbling edges > > of this > > > > > > very small island will just continue to crumble and it would not > > even > > > > > > take a Tsunami to decimate it and make it vanish into the ocean > > of > > > > > > scepticism and ignorance! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A house divided makes enemies out of brothers and friends. > > Friends, > > > > > > please remember are really brothers born to other mothers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fragile fingers fighting one another can only show their > > strength > > > > > > when they come together in the form of a fist! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for making the astro world aware of Swami Ji's birth > > time > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is 6.49 am, It's given in several books published by Sri > > RamKrishna > > > > > > > > Mission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earlier, you gave only ISBN no of the book, therefore, I had > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > in locating it,, but today after speaking to an authority of > > Sri > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna Mission collected other books giving light on > > Swami > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s birth time, in the mean time, you already > > uploaded > > > > > > scanned > > > > > > > > copy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When, I first looked at Swami Ji's dhanu lagna chart, I > > found > > > > > > abysmal > > > > > > > > gap between his life and his chart, I had no supportive > > document to > > > > > > > > uphold my understanding, but, divine urge kept me moving in > > right > > > > > > > > direction and within a short span of time I have more then > > > > > > sufficient > > > > > > > > documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's strange that so called astro scholars ignored the fact > > of Swami > > > > > > > > ji's life and kept drumming at dhanu lagna, these guy's > > don't do > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > study and begin teaching to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be writing in detail on Swami Ji's life and birth > > time on > > > > > > > > thursday evening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum, obviously due to space constraints, cannot > > allow > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > resolution scans to be accepted by the files area. So I > > uploaded a > > > > > > lower > > > > > > > > res scan because the first ones bounced back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What looks like a 19 in the birthminutes is 49. I am not > > going to > > > > > > > > waste my time in rescanning! If you want a higher res scan > > > > > > (~1.5-2MB) > > > > > > > > please send private email using the forum email send-mail > > option and > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will send it to you (it shows 2 pages with the wonderful > > swami with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of > > venus in > > > > > > > > ascendant and capricorn (even when it exists in navamsha!).. > > .) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a book titled: Vivekanda The Yoga and Other > > Works, Chosen > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > with a biography by Swami Nikhilananda Published by the > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna- Vivekananda Center, New York, ISBN-0-911206- > > 04-3, pub. > > > > > > > > September 11, 1953 (interesting date!), 3rd printing 1984. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless the publishers decided to 'doctor' the data, not > > sure why > > > > > > > > they would -- and I purchase this book from an authentic > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > Ashram > > > > > > > > > > outlet, I would tend to believe this! A scan of the > > relevant > > > > > > page is > > > > > > > > being uploaded to the files area. Please arrive at your own > > > > > > conclusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > Kumar G B > > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is a reply from true scholar, with more detail on > > what we > > > > > > > > have been saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that B V RAMAN ji, KN RAO ji and rishies who lived, > > practiced > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > vedic way of life with more dedication, devotion than us for > > decades > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > not more and surely their care, helping nature would have > > added more > > > > > > > > intuition from the DIVINE than a mere claimant to it with so > > much > > > > > > vanity > > > > > > > > than vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he progresses we surely will compliment him but is > > rather > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > down the PATHALA route. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we wish him well still. hope his mother guides him > > here.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > method=reportRow \ > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> > > > > > > > > > > > kn_rao@; Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>; > > Deepak > > > > > > > > Bisaria <deepakbisaria@ >; Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> ; > > Lalit > > > > > > Mishra > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ >; knrastro@; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr108@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: jyotishi55@; aavesh t <aavesh_s@>; Mee Shuba Vela > > > > > > <pkgoteti@>; > > > > > > > > praspandey@; Ajitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 9, 2010 12:38:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book > > ( " God Lived > > > > > > > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in > > that > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > for an interesting Jyotish research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > birthtime > > > > > > > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami > > > > > > > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive > > work. That > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before > > sunrise " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that > > someone > > > > > > > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This > > is plain > > > > > > > > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had > > Makara lagna > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. > > Often an > > > > > > > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of > > interest to > > > > > > > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can > > be a > > > > > > > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what > > is the > > > > > > goal > > > > > > > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail > > cover > > > > > > topics > > > > > > > > related to visions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ > > 3651 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so > > much > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. > > Message > > > > > > 3481 > > > > > > > > of gives a small account of a few of > > my > > > > > > > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ > > 3481 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been > > working > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably > > intelligent > > > > > > > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit > > and I > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother > > tongue. > > > > > > Yet, > > > > > > > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my > > > > > > bearings in > > > > > > > > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth > > of > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, > > arrogance > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > self-importance you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa > > dadaati > > > > > > > > vinayam! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish > > Writings, > > > > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and > > Pitri > > > > > > Tarpana: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: > > http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s > > Birth Time > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > Lagna !! > > > > > > > > > > > > " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ >, knrastro@, > > kn_rao@, > > > > > > > > " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar@> , " Chandrashekhar " > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr108@>, > > > > > > " Narasimha > > > > > > > > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s@>, jyotishi55@, " Ajitkumar > > Benadi " > > > > > > > > <ajitbenadi@ >, praspandey@, " Mee Shuba Vela " <pkgoteti@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > > > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New > > Delhi, I > > > > > > > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > > > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to > > visit > > > > > > > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri > > RamKrishna Math, > > > > > > > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a > > biography of > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The > > sanyasi > > > > > > > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish > > world and > > > > > > > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement > > saying - > > > > > > > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > > > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 > > am, > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your > > choice - > > > > > > > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > > > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct > > birth time > > > > > > > > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > > > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish > > world, a hath > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > > > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > > > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > > > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi > > Rah > > > > > > > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Dear Ravi, Accept my thanks too for the troubles you took to find this out. Chandrashekhar. On 2/14/2010 1:25 AM, rohinicrystal wrote: > > Good stuff! Thanks for paying attention to details! This is the kind > of thing we should all emulate in our sincere dealings about Jyotish! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > > <%40>, " sbt_ravi " <sbt_ravi > wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > ***************************************** > > This is not a reply to any members thread, but take it as additional > information on the subject if you like, or just ignore this. > > ***************************************** > > > > I have a Telugu version of Swami Vivekanada Biography (Sri > Vivekananda Jeevita Charitra), > > written by Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami of RamaKrishnaMutt, published > first 10th Nov 1939, > > bearing ISBN 81-7823-318-5 (16th reprint edition). In this book, the > author gave Horoscope > > of Sri Vivekananda Swami in the appendix with the following details > (Translated in English > > by me as follows). > > > > Sri Vivekanada Swami, born in Dundhubhi Naama Samvatsar, Pushya > Maasa, Krishna Saptami, > > Monday (Somvaar) Year 1863, January 12th morning in the star of > Hastha, with Dhanus Lagna, > > approximately 6hrs 34 minutes (Suryodayaatpoorvam 6minutes = > 6minutes before Sunrise) in > > Calcutta. Janana Kaala Chandra Mahadasa sesham ( Balance of Moon > MahaDasa ) 4 years, > > 2 months, 12 days. > > > > Also, the Niraayana Raasi chart & Navamsha charts as given below. > > Raasi Chart: > > Lagna : Dhanus ; Capricorn : Sun, Mercury, Venus ; Aries : Mars ; > Taurus : Ketu; > > Virgo : Moon, Saturn ; Libra : Jupiter ; Scorpio : Rahu; > > > > Navamsha Chart : > > Scorpio : Navamsha Lagna ; Capricorn : Sun, Rahu; Aquarius : Venus; > Pisces : Mercury, Moon; > > Taurus : Saturn, Mars ; Cancer : Ketu > > > > Also, the Author refers the Sayana Chart of Swamiji by famous > Western Astrologer Alan Leo as > > follows ( 11th collection, 47 chapter, 380 serial no. in that book ) : > > > > Sayana Raasi Chart : > > > > Capricorn : Lagna : 18deg > > Sun : 22deg > > Venus : 29deg > > Aquarius : Mercury : 4deg > > Aries : Mars : 28deg > > Gemini : Ketu (DT) > > Libra : Moon : 9deg30min > > : Jupiter : 26deg > > : Saturn : 5deg30min > > Sagittarius : Rahu (DH) > > > > Also, the following analysis is give thereof Swamiji (as translated > by me into English). > > In the Horoscope of Swamiji, Lagna Lord Jupiter gives Wisdom. The > Same Vargottam Jupiter being > > in Tula Navamsha leads him to Moksha. Samasaptaka of Lagna Lord > Jupiter & Mars gives him Great Vairaagya. > > Kaaraka for Education Mercury being in second house of Speech Makara > with conjunction of Sun and also > > exchange yoga with Saturn gives him extraordinary Oratory skills. > The Conjunction of Sun, Mercury & Venus > > Shows Swamiji's extraordinary power, global recognition, & mass > following (worship). > > Eighth lord Moon in conjunction with second lord Saturn shows > Swamiji attaining Moksha in the > > Dasa of Jupiter. > > > > Author's Note : (Sri ChirantanaNandaSwami ) > > (The Chart and the analysis as written above is provided by Famous > Astrologer Sri Kanchi Subrahmanya > > Sastry of Bhimannapeta, Mylapore, Chennai.) > > > > Somewhere in the same book, the author says about birth of Swamiji > on the day of Sankranti celebration. > > ( Sun's ingress into Capricorn) > > ------------- > > > > All the above is verbatim from the Telugu book, I am neither > knowledgeable nor authority in discussing the same. > > > > I tried to upload scanned page, but due to size it would not let me > in the files section. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ravi Gollapalli. > > > > > > > <%40>, Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Lalit?Utkal, > > > > > > the same lines were said by people whom u had attacked and shut > the doors on u, when I gave u a chance to show ur study/growth [if any > on the subject] in all fairness based on the projection/reading by PVN > ji all of them attacked him for giving u a clean future provided u > GAVE UP ur martian instincts > > > > > > I had justified it saying we have enough ppl who have reformed > like Valmilki, pundalik, purandara dasa, Yogi Vemmana, Aurobindo gosh > etc.]aurobindo was not in the list of bad ppl for a good freedom > fighter he became a reformer] > > > > > > if given the time and space. > > > > > > but u in no time started debunking PVN JI himself. what to speak > of small ppl like us. we have no connection with gods we r connected > to human lives around us and am happy if we can make a difference in a > few positively we also accept we may fail also in in a few but do our > best, with best in our hearts, brains to help, rest is left to the > collective karma. > > > > > > we never claim we r indispensable, absolute ppl b4 us r ignorant > ppl i am here to enlighten u > > > > > > now u have not presented the cases u claim similarity to ur makara > lagna figures , asish nehra and co pl analyse their charts in some > detail not one line Earthly sign ppl > > > many of their achievements r in the public domain still. > > > > > > and to equate a sanyasins to these materialistic figures is something > > > > > > also remember I agreed to the 3 points aid why he won;t be > interested in swamis chart > > > > > > there can be a 4th REASON no saffron clad person in this country > will ever be taken seriously as we have been taught to hate SAFFRON so > one one will ever be born here. we r curtsy the leftists historians, > isecular politicians. > > > > > > NOW PROVE MY ABUSE i allowed ur critism on me then and now as we > value freedom knowldege from anyone > > > > > > as many have said VIDYA VINAYA SAMPANE that is missing > > > > > > I had said u ned a image make over even if u working othe truth it > will be lost it is for ur good. > > > > > > and remember still ppl will buy the books KNR, BVR wrote and will > go on- even if u shout from the roof top. if u anger more ppl in th e > net world chances of selling a book is surely ruled out, chances of a > free book being read u've seen already. > > > > > > in future if u attack me a a moderator I will surely delete ur > mail, no explaination will be given comment with some content, no > moderator has allowed mails critising them as I have. > > > AS THE SUBJECT IS SUPREME not small individuals like us who come > and go. > > > what we leave behind must talk for us, > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > </database?method=reportRows & tbl=6\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@> > > > > <%40> > > > Sat, February 13, 2010 6:05:36 PM > > > Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda 13/2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear GB Prashant, > > > > > > You are misusing the position of moderator handed over to you by group > > > owner Tanweer Ji. > > > > > > You have been harping on that in the past people have worked on Swami > > > Vivekanada's life and horoscope. > > > > > > Can you give valid reference to any two efforts and analysis of Swami > > > Ji's horoscope, I w'd like to know from you who could see death of 3 > > > sister's of Swami Vivekananda - Sri BV Raman, KN Rao or PV Narsimha or > > > any boy from your ICAS. > > > > > > Pls give reference or stop saying that every thing was seen in the > past, > > > > > > Lie and liers can get respect ... their tears are a waste, do not shed > > > tears, you wont get anything by such gimmicks, show your > accountability > > > to vedanga jyotish and people who come to you for astrological > guidance. > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nandini, > > > > > > > > A good move as this will set some work on hand for all those > > > interested in trying to find the truth in birth time cases the family, > > > nurses, doctors alone can be accurate rest are only reported depending > > > on the day,, nature of delivery as well. > > > > > > > > but no one else must claim more to these data mmax they can work, > > > analyse , present their case, leave it to public to read, analyse > accept > > > them or stand by status quo for the work has already done by some > in the > > > past generations with little pretence of such claims to be in direct > > > contact with god.... yet treat their fellow human beings with utter > > > disrespect that is something strange inst it...? Love, compassion, > care, > > > forgiveness. tolerance must be their benchmarks.. ... > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > method=reportRow \ > > > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > nandini kakan_leo@ . > > > > > > > > Sat, February 13, 2010 4:54:39 AM > > > > Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > You may already be aware of this but this is what I have found. > There > > > are two books written by Swami Nikhilananda, as is evident from the > > > following link. > > > > > > > > http://www.ramakrishna.org/catalog/bk_sv.htm > <http://www.ramakrishna.org/catalog/bk_sv.htm> > > > > > > > > 1. Vivekananda: Yogas and Other Works - the 2nd book in the catalog > > > > The scan that RRji has kindly uploaded is from this book and we can > > > see the birth time there as 6:49 - 'a few minutes AFTER sunrise'. > > > > > > > > 2. Vivekananda: A Biography - the 3rd book in the catalog > > > > This one states the time as 6:33 - 'a few minutes BEFORE > sunrise'. PDF > > > versions of this book are available at two sites at least. I hope and > > > pray there are no copyright issues involved in these. > > > > > > > > http://www.vivekana nda.net/PDFBooks /BiographybyNikh ilananda. pdf > > > > > > > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/18716/ BIOGRAPHY- OF-SWAMI- VIVEKANANDA > > > > > > > > I hope this helps in your search. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Since Utkal jee is exploring this, Nandini, I do not think it > would > > > be fair to expect him to simply move on. To help his exploration, why > > > don't you provide the links etc so that he could satisfy himself > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > The only way Jyotish research is going to flourish healthily is by > > > doing what scientists practice as a minimum, namely, sharing citations > > > and references etc. > > > > > > > > > > I hope you agree with my philosophy in this matter. The more we > > > share, the more collective knowledge grows and the Sun of Wisdom > shines > > > on all equally :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone is trying to prove you wrong. They are just > > > stating the source of the data they are working from. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think both the times 6:49 am and 6:33 am come from two > different > > > books written by the same author Swami Nikhilananda - both > published by > > > Ramkrishna Mission. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes birth times are NOT recorded correctly and we just > have > > > to accept that and move on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nandini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is true that we are brothers born to different > mothers, if > > > they let > > > > > > > his feeling grow within them, obviously, a harmonious > > > environment will > > > > > > > be created to take the Jyotish to the next step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They begin " cat-fights " out of perceived in security, but this > > > is mere a > > > > > > > perception, a wrong perception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who rejects and disrespect icons of Jyotish in 20'th century, > > > whether BV > > > > > > > Raman or KN Rao, at least not me, still, there are beliefs, > > > theories and > > > > > > > principles with tons of contradictions, Internet gives us > > > opportunity to > > > > > > > work on them, we have more resources and as we are either > > > working or > > > > > > > living in several countries we have access to several cultures > > > and > > > > > > > societies we can cross check validity of contradictory > > > principles, any > > > > > > > thing settled down this way w'd be asset for all but they are > > > not open > > > > > > > and ready for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason they like to first make a scene of > > > personality > > > > > > > crisis, this is regression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a feeling of gratitude towards those who created > waves of > > > liberty > > > > > > > when country was in slavery, with this gratitude I made > efforts > > > for > > > > > > > getting correct janma lagna of Swami Ji, that even helps > > > everybody as we > > > > > > > come to know what makes a Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was alone but determined, This tuesday, I spoke to Swami > > > Chetananada > > > > > > > the author of " God Lived with Them " in which biography of 16 > > > direct > > > > > > > disciples of Thakur Ram Krishna Paramhansha is given, > > > fortunately he is > > > > > > > alive, based on his guidelines collected other books and > came to > > > know > > > > > > > how incorrect birth time floated, it's only a human mistake, I > > > also came > > > > > > > to know about developments in writing biography's of Swami > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > publication of each biography gave a way to people to provide > > > more > > > > > > > information on Swami Ji's life, this led to publication of > next > > > > > > > biography, lastly, Sri Ram Krishna Mission published a > detailed > > > > > > > biography in set of 3 volumes, it gives every hour description > > > of Swami > > > > > > > Ji's death, Jyotish has an opportunity to understand how > he made > > > his > > > > > > > mind to leave the world, Mission has discussed the confusion > > > over Swami > > > > > > > Ji's horoscope and lagna, Mission said the birth time is > either > > > 6.43 or > > > > > > > 6.49 am in the morning, they are inclined towards 6.49 am, > this > > > birth > > > > > > > time is printed in 3 books published by them, but, our net > icons > > > had no > > > > > > > time to refer to books published by Ram Krishna Mission and > > > their > > > > > > > effort, these net icons used their energy against me, > what's the > > > reason, > > > > > > > what's the achievement ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If, we get correct birth time of swami ji, will that be a > loss, > > > whose > > > > > > > loss ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ability to have freedom of thoughts is very very > important, most > > > of us > > > > > > > don't give this freedom to ourselves. > > > > > > > History shows in any war against freedom, slaves are used in > > > large > > > > > > > number, a freedom that they wanted for themselves but they > were > > > fighting > > > > > > > against it, I never understood it's cause. Swami > Vivekananda had > > > two > > > > > > > younger brothers, we are not aware in what condition their > > > family is > > > > > > > living now, If god enables me,I w'd visit Calcutta after > July 10 > > > and w'd > > > > > > > try to meet family members of Swami Ji's brothers. > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth be told, I am getting pretty sick and tired of all > these > > > > > > > " cat-fights " and 'dog-brawls' that are going on in the > domain of > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > by individuals who think they are serving Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without mincing words, THIS 'Astro-world' you talk of in > some > > > kind of > > > > > > > 'Mandir-Bhakti mode' is not so much interested in exploring > > > truth as it > > > > > > > is in petty fights and one-upmanship! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please leave me out of all these puny political GAMES! Those > > > who wish > > > > > > > to serve Jyotish -- must stop hoisting their puny petards and > > > realize > > > > > > > that IT is not about them or the tiny segment of the human > > > society that > > > > > > > reads them or about them. We all know how that DRAMA plays out > > > in these > > > > > > > Internet woods, don't we all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always found Jyotish as a very small island that is > > > crumbling > > > > > > > at its edges! If we continue to fight one another and create > > > more > > > > > > > dissension for our own egotistical purposes, the crumbling > edges > > > of this > > > > > > > very small island will just continue to crumble and it > would not > > > even > > > > > > > take a Tsunami to decimate it and make it vanish into the > ocean > > > of > > > > > > > scepticism and ignorance! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A house divided makes enemies out of brothers and friends. > > > Friends, > > > > > > > please remember are really brothers born to other mothers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fragile fingers fighting one another can only show their > > > strength > > > > > > > when they come together in the form of a fist! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for making the astro world aware of Swami Ji's > birth > > > time > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is 6.49 am, It's given in several books published by Sri > > > RamKrishna > > > > > > > > > Mission. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earlier, you gave only ISBN no of the book, therefore, > I had > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > > in locating it,, but today after speaking to an > authority of > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna Mission collected other books giving light on > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s birth time, in the mean time, you already > > > uploaded > > > > > > > scanned > > > > > > > > > copy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When, I first looked at Swami Ji's dhanu lagna chart, I > > > found > > > > > > > abysmal > > > > > > > > > gap between his life and his chart, I had no supportive > > > document to > > > > > > > > > uphold my understanding, but, divine urge kept me > moving in > > > right > > > > > > > > > direction and within a short span of time I have more then > > > > > > > sufficient > > > > > > > > > documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's strange that so called astro scholars ignored the > fact > > > of Swami > > > > > > > > > ji's life and kept drumming at dhanu lagna, these guy's > > > don't do > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > study and begin teaching to others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be writing in detail on Swami Ji's life and birth > > > time on > > > > > > > > > thursday evening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This forum, obviously due to space constraints, cannot > > > allow > > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > resolution scans to be accepted by the files area. So I > > > uploaded a > > > > > > > lower > > > > > > > > > res scan because the first ones bounced back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What looks like a 19 in the birthminutes is 49. I am not > > > going to > > > > > > > > > waste my time in rescanning! If you want a higher res scan > > > > > > > (~1.5-2MB) > > > > > > > > > please send private email using the forum email send-mail > > > option and > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > will send it to you (it shows 2 pages with the wonderful > > > swami with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of > > > venus in > > > > > > > > > ascendant and capricorn (even when it exists in > navamsha!).. > > > .) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a book titled: Vivekanda The Yoga and Other > > > Works, Chosen > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > with a biography by Swami Nikhilananda Published by the > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna- Vivekananda Center, New York, ISBN-0-911206- > > > 04-3, pub. > > > > > > > > > September 11, 1953 (interesting date!), 3rd printing 1984. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless the publishers decided to 'doctor' the > data, not > > > sure why > > > > > > > > > they would -- and I purchase this book from an authentic > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > Ashram > > > > > > > > > > > outlet, I would tend to believe this! A scan of the > > > relevant > > > > > > > page is > > > > > > > > > being uploaded to the files area. Please arrive at > your own > > > > > > > conclusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant > > > Kumar G B > > > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is a reply from true scholar, with more > detail on > > > what we > > > > > > > > > have been saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that B V RAMAN ji, KN RAO ji and rishies who lived, > > > practiced > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > vedic way of life with more dedication, devotion than > us for > > > decades > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > not more and surely their care, helping nature would have > > > added more > > > > > > > > > intuition from the DIVINE than a mere claimant to it > with so > > > much > > > > > > > vanity > > > > > > > > > than vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if he progresses we surely will compliment him > but is > > > rather > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > down the PATHALA route. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we wish him well still. hope his mother guides him > > > here.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? > > > method=reportRow \ > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > kn_rao@; Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek > har@>; > > > Deepak > > > > > > > > > Bisaria <deepakbisaria@ >; Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@> ; > > > Lalit > > > > > > > Mishra > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ >; knrastro@; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > <pvr108@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: jyotishi55@; aavesh t <aavesh_s@>; Mee Shuba > Vela > > > > > > > <pkgoteti@>; > > > > > > > > > praspandey@; Ajitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 9, 2010 12:38:16 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book > > > ( " God Lived > > > > > > > > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples > of Sri > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable > data in > > > that > > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > for an interesting Jyotish research. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > birthtime > > > > > > > > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by > Swami > > > > > > > > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive > > > work. That > > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before > > > sunrise " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that > > > someone > > > > > > > > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This > > > is plain > > > > > > > > > common sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had > > > Makara lagna > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. > > > Often an > > > > > > > > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of > > > interest to > > > > > > > > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can > > > be a > > > > > > > > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two > and what > > > is the > > > > > > > goal > > > > > > > > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that > mail > > > cover > > > > > > > topics > > > > > > > > > related to visions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- > wisdom/message/ > > > 3651 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so > > > much > > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. > > > Message > > > > > > > 3481 > > > > > > > > > of gives a small account of a > few of > > > my > > > > > > > > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things > to me: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- > wisdom/message/ > > > 3481 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been > > > working > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably > > > intelligent > > > > > > > > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of > Sanskrit > > > and I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother > > > tongue. > > > > > > > Yet, > > > > > > > > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly > finding my > > > > > > > bearings in > > > > > > > > > this knowledge of rishis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and > breadth > > > of > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride, > > > arrogance > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > self-importance you exhibit in your mails. My friend, > vidyaa > > > dadaati > > > > > > > > > vinayam! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish > > > Writings, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and > > > Pitri > > > > > > > Tarpana: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: > > > http://SaraswatiFilms.org <http://SaraswatiFilms.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- > > > wisdom > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s > > > Birth Time > > > > > > > & > > > > > > > > > Lagna !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ >, knrastro@, > > > kn_rao@, > > > > > > > > > " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar@> , " Chandrashekhar " > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > <pvr108@>, > > > > > > > " Narasimha > > > > > > > > > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s@>, jyotishi55@, > " Ajitkumar > > > Benadi " > > > > > > > > > <ajitbenadi@ >, praspandey@, " Mee Shuba Vela " <pkgoteti@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people > should > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > > > > > > > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New > > > Delhi, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but > happen to > > > visit > > > > > > > > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri > > > RamKrishna Math, > > > > > > > > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a > > > biography of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The > > > sanyasi > > > > > > > > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish > > > world and > > > > > > > > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement > > > saying - > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct > desciples > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 > > > am, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your > > > choice - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna > only, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > > > > > > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct > > > birth time > > > > > > > > > > > > > to your followers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > > > > > > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish > > > world, a hath > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > > > > > > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's > shown > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, > ICAS all > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > > > > > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan > Pyasi > > > Rah > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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