Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda 14/02

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BRAVO Prashant Bhai!

 

I am going to point out and highlight each of these postings by you that appear

here with very few typos and which are so transparent and easy to understand.

 

You have shared with all of us very openly about your personal challenges and I

personally have always felt rather boorish when I questioned you anyways, some

would say rather insensitively! My sincere apologies for my apparent

insensitivity...

 

BUT I *KNEW* in my heart that you have the fire in your belly to overcome those

challenges that life threw at you and that you are capable of overcoming those

and expressing yourself clearly, as you have done a few times and I have made

sure that I NOTED those and proclaimed those successes of yours!

 

A very prominent entity on the domain of Jyotish once asked me a question which

completely derailed me! She asked me: What is the agenda?

 

She was referring to a certain forum and I was, for the first time in my life as

a Jyotishi, was speechless and clueless!

 

I never had an agenda :-(

 

Over the years, I realized that THAT bothers people! We are all supposed to have

a agenda, plan, goal and rigid structure ...

 

I never had that in my Jyotish experience! Jyotish for me was always like that

time when I learned how to swim as a child! Rasool Chaachaa took me to the

swimming pool almost daily and kept me practising at the shallow end of the

public pool where I held on with my hands to the railing and practised paddling

with my feet and floated very nicely and was feeling rather happy with my

performance and Rasool Chaachaa was happy with that too!

 

Then one morning, that instructor came along -- I think his last name was

Nadkarnee and asked me in no nonsense terms to WALK back about 20 paces in that

shallow end of the pool (about 4 feet deep and I was about 4'6 " tall back then).

My heart was pounding because I had no clue what was going to happen next. He

had a stern face and very intense eyes that pointed at one directly. He then

said, " Swim towards me! " . I had no choice! Do or die!! I swam and KNEW that I

could swim!

 

That experience and confidence has helped all through my life, including

astrology among other things!

 

Take it or leave it, folks!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

<PS: Rasool Chacha was definitely a venusian with the dimples and all, while

Nadkarnijee was definitely martian! Since I do not have the horoscopes of

either, I am not DISSING anyone, as the term goes...!>

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

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> Dear RRji

> it must be a mix of both more the solid elements or body skeleton like the

rules, supporting, ones or the contradictory or near contra-dictonary ones r the

like the evolved body muscles, tisshes, skin whose nature has changed with time,

application/exposure to natural elements of the times so the essentials of the

exterior can change but over all composition of the body be it bones, muscles,

blood, tissue etc are same isn't it

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> so I feel there is room for improvement.advancement all the time in the human

existance, but jyotish being a subject that has more roles blended into it with

the central one of raising hope, giving a direction in troubled times, also

making good use of good times [if one really takes time out and finds such

toutes just as bad times don't come single so does dood times too but ppl get

overwhelmed with bad ones and one after the other pile up

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> the good times if we we take to more of celebration then we can be missing the

other diverse possiblities as well. but all within limits like greed, avarice ,

self-centric natures are also kept in check

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> say a good time can bring more than one avenue to earn, this can be used for

charity, welfare of neighborhood a hospital, village school etc.. as well.

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> nothing must be left to rigid blocks the subject itself is broad and expansive

ebough to take in the needed adapotations to desha, kaala, paristhiti if not

applied only we fail to deliver. but the individual is to blame not the subject.

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> You perhaps look at jyotish as a static body of codified rules (somewhat like

a religion) whereas I see it as a vibrant flower that has many petals, many

layers that blossom and grow as does the Human Experience.

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> The reason for that is rather simple and straightforward. Human experience has

changed drastically even over the last 100 years, let alone in thousands of

years since the original codification of the Jyotish body of knowledge

(regardless of its origin or the medium it was transmitted and preserved in). In

other words, Jyotish is very BIOLOGICAL and not MECHANICAL! Of course that could

reflect our backgrounds and conditioning too, like the hammer and nail analogy I

once gave!

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> Yes there are elements of purity and nascence in it, just as in a newborn

infant! But despite the purity, the baby needs to be fed, kept clean and kept

warm with LOVE and CARING!

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> Jyotish as well ...!

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> > Jyotish, the Vedic source of know knowledge is very much nascent and of

course has it's own pedestal.No doubt we regard,revere and respect those

efforts. Now is available for every body intending to study and pursue

it(might be to suit to present enthusiasts) .

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Karmas.They also volunteer to find ways to work on their free will.This

realisation is significant and we need to promote and encourage.Perhaps the role

left to do is only that to instill the element of trust and faith.perhaps, this

grease/annoint the thought might be needed occasionally to be done.

> > Provision of Desh,Kaal Paatra gives it universally validity.what is at cross

roads is our orientation/ reorientation from solid base and foundation.

> > Time heals and also reorients itself.If today the issues of complexity might

be related to the " family " as the small kid recognises the environment around,he

is trained or made to adopt to learn and perform on his own.Parental influences

once used to be very prominent no longer seen and felt.

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> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

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> > > Earlier it was always one to one affair.Now it is one to many.It is more a

counseling job than making predictions after reading the chart.Even in the case

of medical sciences tele medicines have not succeeded totally how can we in the

group able to do justice when questions get repeated and get also disappointed

as many members would like to match forecasts handed over by several

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B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂÂ

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my last few sharings but he did not! Kudos to him for that in the role as

moderator. I congratulate him for his big heart towards me!

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are derogatorily called by the " elite " and quite often truth be told, they do

give the distinct impression! Like those who post request after request on

multiple forums and then forget to check for responses and then ask again and

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same author the results on Shadbalas, ashtakavarga, vargas itself differ a lot

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Notable Horoscopes for Vivekananda is wrong (#36, page 224)! It states the

birthtime as 6:33 PM! How can sun be in second house for a nativity born at

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for verification, I will be happy to scan and upload the relevant pages! ( am on

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said msg, a mistake i admit as even to do that I had to check the chart and

then comment. I did not mean the lagna as all fiery signs end at fiery signs for

that matter all the elements of each Lagna start and end in their elements

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> > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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> > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow \

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> > > > > > > s & tbl=6

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> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

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> > > > > > > > Thu, February 11, 2010 1:50:47 AM

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > Re: Fw: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > Rohini Ji,

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> > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > Thanks for making the astro world aware of Swami Ji's birth time

which

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > is 6.49 am, It's given in several books published by Sri

RamKrishna

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Mission.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > Earlier, you gave only ISBN no of the book, therefore, I had

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > difficulty

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > in locating it,, but today after speaking to an authority of Sri

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Ramkrishna Mission collected other books giving light on Swami

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s birth time, in the mean time, you already

uploaded

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > scanned

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > copy.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > When, I first looked at Swami Ji's dhanu lagna chart, I found

abysmal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > gap between his life and his chart, I had no supportive document

to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > uphold my understanding, but, divine urge kept me moving in

right

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > direction and within a short span of time I have more then

sufficient

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > documents.

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> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > It's strange that so called astro scholars ignored the fact of

Swami

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > ji's life and kept drumming at dhanu lagna, these guy's don't do

self

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > study and begin teaching to others.

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> > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > I will be writing in detail on Swami Ji's life and birth time on

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > thursday evening.

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> > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > regards,

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> >

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > This forum, obviously due to space constraints, cannot allow

higher

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > resolution scans to be accepted by the files area. So I uploaded

a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > lower

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > res scan because the first ones bounced back.

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> > > > > > > > > What looks like a 19 in the birthminutes is 49. I am not going

to

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > waste my time in rescanning! If you want a higher res scan

(~1.5-2MB)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > please send private email using the forum email send-mail option

and I

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > will send it to you (it shows 2 pages with the wonderful swami

with

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > deep chin-dimple and large eyes, sine-qua-nons almost of venus

in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > ascendant and capricorn (even when it exists in navamsha!).. .)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

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> > >

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> > > > > > > jyotish_vani@

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Greetings!

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > I have a book titled: Vivekanda The Yoga and Other Works,

Chosen

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > and

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > with a biography by Swami Nikhilananda Published by the

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > Ramakrishna- Vivekananda Center, New York, ISBN-0-911206- 04-3,

pub.

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > September 11, 1953 (interesting date!), 3rd printing 1984.

> >

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Unless the publishers decided to 'doctor' the data, not sure

why

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > they would -- and I purchase this book from an authentic

Ramakrishna

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Ashram

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > outlet, I would tend to believe this! A scan of the relevant

page

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > being uploaded to the files area. Please arrive at your own

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > conclusion!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B

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> > > > > > > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > here is a reply from true scholar, with more detail on

what we

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> > > > > > > > have been saying

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > that B V RAMAN ji, KN RAO ji and rishies who lived,

practiced

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > vedic way of life with more dedication, devotion than us for

decades

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > if

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > not more and surely their care, helping nature would have added

more

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > intuition from the DIVINE than a mere claimant to it with so

much

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > vanity

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > than vidya

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > if he progresses we surely will compliment him but is

rather

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > going

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > down the PATHALA route.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

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> > > > > > > > > > > we wish him well still. hope his mother guides him here..

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> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > method=reportRow \

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> > > > > > > > s & tbl=6

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> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > kn_rao@; Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>;

Deepak

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Bisaria <deepakbisaria@ >; Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> ;

Lalit

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > Mishra

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ >; knrastro@; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr108@>

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: jyotishi55@; aavesh t <aavesh_s@>; Mee Shuba Vela

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > <pkgoteti@>;

> >

> > >

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> > > > > > > > praspandey@; Ajitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadi@ >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, February 9, 2010 12:38:16 AM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Birthtime of Swami Vivekananda

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> > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lalit and others,

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> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ( " God

Lived

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Ramakrishna " ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in

that book

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > for an interesting Jyotish research.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > birthtime

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > is his biography ( " Biography of Swami Vivekananda " by Swami

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work.

That

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > book

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > clearly gives 6:33 am and says " a few minutes before sunrise " .

> >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that

someone

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is

plain

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > common sense to me.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara

lagna

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth.

> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > * * *

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> > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > appealing to you.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest

to

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> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > those who wonder whether a claimed " vision " of a deity can be a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is

the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > goal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail

cover

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > topics

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > related to visions.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/

3651

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

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> > > > > > > > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > difference

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does.

Message 3481

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > of gives a small account of a few of my

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/

3481

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > * * *

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working

very

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably

intelligent

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and

I can

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > understand Sanskrit prose and poetry almost like a mother

tongue. Yet,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my

bearings

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > this knowledge of rishis.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > knowledge

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the pride,

arrogance and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > self-importance you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa

dadaati

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > vinayam!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish

Writings,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > Tarpana:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic-

wisdom

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. /

group/JyotishWri

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > tings

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Revealation : Swami Vivekananda' s Birth

Time

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > &

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Lagna !!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Deepak Bisaria " <deepakbisaria@ >, knrastro@,

kn_rao@,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > " Prashant Kumar G B " <gbp_kumar@> , " Chandrashekhar "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr108@>,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > " Narasimha

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: " aavesh t " <aavesh_s@>, jyotishi55@, " Ajitkumar

Benadi "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > <ajitbenadi@ >, praspandey@, " Mee Shuba Vela " <pkgoteti@>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:38 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It's a day that

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami

Vivekananda,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This was third time,I visited

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New

Delhi, I

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to

visit

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna

Math,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography

of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The

sanyasi

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world

and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying

-

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Animately, he brought out the book, I

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> > > > > > > > > > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am,

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I

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> > > > > > > > > > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and

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> > > > > > > > > > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth

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> > > > > > > > > > > > to your followers.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally

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> > > > > > > > > > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a

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> > > > > > > > > > > > dharmi narrow minded world.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > When God is with a person, he can

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> > > > > > > > > > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to

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> > > > > > > > > > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd

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> > > > > > > > > > > > correct themselves however they are free at their

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> > > > > > > > > > > > end.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > It's said that - " Jin

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith " .

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> > > > > > > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had

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> > > > > > > > > > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am

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