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Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

 

You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

 

So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

 

And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

 

Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

 

But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

Jyotish, really works.

 

Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

 

There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

dis-enabling them!

 

Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

 

We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

others, how to find their own true selves!

 

Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

 

So, everything you both say, is correct.

 

Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

remedial measures!

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

www..com <http://www..com>

markkincaid

 

 

 

 

 

Desperate people seek Astrologers!

@ . Com

Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

 

Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

 

It's sad.

 

Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

help yourself!!

 

Lilly

 

Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_85 tarun_gupta_85

Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

 

 

Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

result will be a failure..... :(

 

Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

my query again and again

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear mark,

// Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! " //

 

Where is it written/?.

you are referring to a Chinese saying.

 

Regards

KulbirBains

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Mark Kincaid <markkincaid

 

Mon, 15 February, 2010 9:15:54 AM

2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek Astrologers!

from M.Kincaid

 

 

 

Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

 

You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

 

So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

 

And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

 

Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

 

But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

Jyotish, really works.

 

Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

 

There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

dis-enabling them!

 

Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

 

We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

others, how to find their own true selves!

 

Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

 

So, everything you both say, is correct.

 

Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

remedial measures!

 

Hope this helps.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mark Kincaid

 

www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

markkincaid@ .com

 

Desperate people seek Astrologers!

@ . Com

Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

 

Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

 

It's sad.

 

Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

help yourself!!

 

Lilly

 

Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85 (AT) (DOT) co.in tarun_gupta_ 85

Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

 

Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

result will be a failure..... :(

 

Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

my query again and again

 

 

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Dear Mark and others,

 

Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere Astrologers who have

chosen this profession to really help people, and mankind in general..There are

plenty of shady, questionable people in every profession, including this one! I

just happen to come across some really bad apples, and am at fault for

stereotyping astrologers, and this profession..I had wasted tons of money for

paid reading simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the hole from

where you started!

 

Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to vent! By the way,

my anger was not directed toward any particular members on this forum..I see a

handful of genuine people here who frequently participate in discussions, and

guide others in a selfless way!

 

Lilly

 

, " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid wrote:

>

>

> Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

>

> You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

> studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

> Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

> Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

>

> So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

> used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

> uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

>

> And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

> and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

> me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

> astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

> perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

> Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

>

> Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

> weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

> Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

> So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

> family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

> charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

> my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

>

> But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

> fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

> Jyotish, really works.

>

> Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

> pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

>

> There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

> else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

> their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> dis-enabling them!

>

> Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

> not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

> find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

> well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

>

> We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

> undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

> own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

> others, how to find their own true selves!

>

> Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

> to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

>

> So, everything you both say, is correct.

>

> Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

> people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

> remedial measures!

>

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

> www..com <http://www..com>

> markkincaid

>

>

>

>

>

> Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> @ . Com

> Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

>

> Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

> else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

> These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

> believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

> They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

>

> It's sad.

>

> Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

> enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

> and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

> money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

> help yourself!!

>

> Lilly

>

> Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_85 tarun_gupta_85

> Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

>

>

> Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

> actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

> everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

> life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

> himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

> result will be a failure..... :(

>

> Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

> my query again and again

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Lilly,

 

I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are particularly

when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to noise. There are good,

bad & ugly professionals in every field. Recently our prashant ji mother was

made a cancer patient & the doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the

problem was entirely different (What I understood). One of my friend was

operated on the right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he has a cut

across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will still charge you

through the nose. Another known person's dead body was kept in ICU under the

guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that the hospital could make an additional

50,000/- Look at the recent economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super

experts in management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

class people. So who isn't

frustrated?

 

The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the best doctor that

suits you, need not be the famous always. One should make proper research before

putting one life in others hand.

 

A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension. I took it

several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They all claimed various

reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem did not go away. The reason

they were wrong in the analysis. Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This

time I did not tell them about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the

car and tell whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in Astrology also.

When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask him what the problem is,

instead I tell them about his problem. This is not to showoff but to be tuned

to his issues and his purpose of visit. Since you have learned so much, try this

yourself. (warning - don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

consultation, ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

the reality, get out

as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned into your

problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

 

Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek Astrologers!

from M.Kincaid

 

 

Dear Mark and others,

 

Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere Astrologers who have

chosen this profession to really help people, and mankind in general..There are

plenty of shady, questionable people in every profession, including this one! I

just happen to come across some really bad apples, and am at fault for

stereotyping astrologers, and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for

paid reading simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the hole from

where you started!

 

Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to vent! By the way,

my anger was not directed toward any particular members on this forum..I see a

handful of genuine people here who frequently participate in discussions, and

guide others in a selfless way!

 

Lilly

 

, " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid@ ...>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

>

> You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

> studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

> Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

> Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

>

> So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

> used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

> uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

>

> And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

> and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

> me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

> astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

> perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

> Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

>

> Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

> weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

> Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

> So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

> family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

> charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

> my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

>

> But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

> fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

> Jyotish, really works.

>

> Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

> pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

>

> There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

> else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

> their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> dis-enabling them!

>

> Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

> not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

> find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

> well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

>

> We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

> undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

> own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

> others, how to find their own true selves!

>

> Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

> to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

>

> So, everything you both say, is correct.

>

> Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

> people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

> remedial measures!

>

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

> www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

> markkincaid@ ...

>

>

>

>

>

> Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> @ . Com

> Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

>

> Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

> else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

> These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

> believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

> They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

>

> It's sad.

>

> Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

> enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

> and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

> money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

> help yourself!!

>

> Lilly

>

> Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85 tarun_gupta_ 85

> Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

>

>

> Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

> actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

> everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

> life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

> himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

> result will be a failure..... :(

>

> Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

> my query again and again

>

>

>

>

>

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In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in modern world,

it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be seen. When similar

instances occur in the way more regulated industries such as the ones you gave

examples from -- and BBB is full of accounts and complaints from many more

including builders, home renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I

have been harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

 

You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about mercury and

pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

 

Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either because even

vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

 

You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you really want the

pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul Ashramas, where one grew

their own food and lived with nature and in the peaceful ambience learned what

the purpose of being born is and why are we here!

 

Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all can learn

astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will this kind of

bickering and whining continue and people will continue to be unhappy and

negative.

 

But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is readily

available and the obvious LAZY choice!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Lilly,

>

> I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are particularly

when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to noise. There are good,

bad & ugly professionals in every field. Recently our prashant ji mother was

made a cancer patient & the doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the

problem was entirely different (What I understood). One of my friend was

operated on the right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he has a cut

across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will still charge you

through the nose. Another known person's dead body was kept in ICU under the

guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that the hospital could make an additional

50,000/- Look at the recent economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super

experts in management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

class people. So who isn't

> frustrated?

>

> The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the best doctor

that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should make proper research

before putting one life in others hand.

>

> A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension. I took it

several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They all claimed various

reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem did not go away. The reason

they were wrong in the analysis. Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This

time I did not tell them about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the

car and tell whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in Astrology also.

When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask him what the problem is,

instead I tell them about his problem. This is not to showoff but to be tuned

to his issues and his purpose of visit. Since you have learned so much, try this

yourself. (warning - don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

consultation, ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

the reality, get out

> as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned into your

problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

>

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

>

> Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

> Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

>

>

> Dear Mark and others,

>

> Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere Astrologers who have

chosen this profession to really help people, and mankind in general..There are

plenty of shady, questionable people in every profession, including this one! I

just happen to come across some really bad apples, and am at fault for

stereotyping astrologers, and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for

paid reading simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the hole from

where you started!

>

> Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to vent! By the

way, my anger was not directed toward any particular members on this forum..I

see a handful of genuine people here who frequently participate in discussions,

and guide others in a selfless way!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

> >

> > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

> > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

> > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

> > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

> >

> > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

> > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

> > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

> >

> > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

> > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

> > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

> > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

> > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

> > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

> >

> > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

> > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

> > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

> > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

> > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

> > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

> > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

> >

> > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

> > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

> > Jyotish, really works.

> >

> > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

> > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

> >

> > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

> > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

> > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> > dis-enabling them!

> >

> > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

> > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

> > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

> > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

> >

> > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

> > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

> > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

> > others, how to find their own true selves!

> >

> > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

> > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

> >

> > So, everything you both say, is correct.

> >

> > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

> > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

> > remedial measures!

> >

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

> > markkincaid@ ...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > @ . Com

> > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

> >

> > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

> > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

> > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

> > believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

> > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

> >

> > It's sad.

> >

> > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

> > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

> > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

> > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

> > help yourself!!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

> > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

> > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

> > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

> > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

> > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

> > result will be a failure..... :(

> >

> > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

> > my query again and again

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to grow my own

organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired of paying all that

extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

 

Lilly

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in modern

world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be seen. When similar

instances occur in the way more regulated industries such as the ones you gave

examples from -- and BBB is full of accounts and complaints from many more

including builders, home renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I

have been harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

>

> You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about mercury and

pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

>

> Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either because even

vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

>

> You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you really want

the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul Ashramas, where one grew

their own food and lived with nature and in the peaceful ambience learned what

the purpose of being born is and why are we here!

>

> Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all can learn

astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will this kind of

bickering and whining continue and people will continue to be unhappy and

negative.

>

> But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is readily

available and the obvious LAZY choice!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are particularly

when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to noise. There are good,

bad & ugly professionals in every field. Recently our prashant ji mother was

made a cancer patient & the doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the

problem was entirely different (What I understood). One of my friend was

operated on the right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he has a cut

across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will still charge you

through the nose. Another known person's dead body was kept in ICU under the

guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that the hospital could make an additional

50,000/- Look at the recent economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super

experts in management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

class people. So who isn't

> > frustrated?

> >

> > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the best doctor

that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should make proper research

before putting one life in others hand.

> >

> > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension. I took it

several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They all claimed various

reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem did not go away. The reason

they were wrong in the analysis. Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This

time I did not tell them about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the

car and tell whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in Astrology also.

When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask him what the problem is,

instead I tell them about his problem. This is not to showoff but to be tuned

to his issues and his purpose of visit. Since you have learned so much, try this

yourself. (warning - don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

consultation, ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

the reality, get out

> > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned into your

problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

> >

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> >

> > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

> > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> >

> >

> > Dear Mark and others,

> >

> > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere Astrologers who have

chosen this profession to really help people, and mankind in general..There are

plenty of shady, questionable people in every profession, including this one! I

just happen to come across some really bad apples, and am at fault for

stereotyping astrologers, and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for

paid reading simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the hole from

where you started!

> >

> > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to vent! By the

way, my anger was not directed toward any particular members on this forum..I

see a handful of genuine people here who frequently participate in discussions,

and guide others in a selfless way!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

> > >

> > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

> > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

> > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

> > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

> > >

> > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

> > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

> > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

> > >

> > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

> > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

> > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

> > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

> > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

> > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

> > >

> > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

> > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

> > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

> > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

> > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

> > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

> > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

> > >

> > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

> > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

> > > Jyotish, really works.

> > >

> > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

> > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

> > >

> > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

> > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

> > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> > > dis-enabling them!

> > >

> > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

> > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

> > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

> > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

> > >

> > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

> > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

> > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

> > > others, how to find their own true selves!

> > >

> > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

> > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

> > >

> > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

> > >

> > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

> > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

> > > remedial measures!

> > >

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

> > > markkincaid@ ...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > > @ . Com

> > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

> > >

> > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

> > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

> > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

> > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

> > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

> > >

> > > It's sad.

> > >

> > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

> > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

> > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

> > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

> > > help yourself!!

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

> > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

> > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

> > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

> > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

> > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

> > > result will be a failure..... :(

> > >

> > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

> > > my query again and again

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Try hydroponics! With full-spectrum 'gro-lights'!! They work wonders!

 

Particularly 'chillies' -- and I do not mean the Sheikh kinds!!

 

RR_,

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to grow my

own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired of paying all that

extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in modern

world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be seen. When similar

instances occur in the way more regulated industries such as the ones you gave

examples from -- and BBB is full of accounts and complaints from many more

including builders, home renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I

have been harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

> >

> > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about mercury and

pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

> >

> > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either because even

vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

> >

> > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you really want

the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul Ashramas, where one grew

their own food and lived with nature and in the peaceful ambience learned what

the purpose of being born is and why are we here!

> >

> > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all can learn

astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will this kind of

bickering and whining continue and people will continue to be unhappy and

negative.

> >

> > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is readily

available and the obvious LAZY choice!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to noise. There

are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field. Recently our prashant ji

mother was made a cancer patient & the doctors were getting ready for kemo,

while the problem was entirely different (What I understood). One of my friend

was operated on the right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when

they realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he has a

cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will still charge

you through the nose. Another known person's dead body was kept in ICU under the

guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that the hospital could make an additional

50,000/- Look at the recent economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super

experts in management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

class people. So who isn't

> > > frustrated?

> > >

> > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the best

doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should make proper

research before putting one life in others hand.

> > >

> > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension. I took it

several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They all claimed various

reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem did not go away. The reason

they were wrong in the analysis. Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This

time I did not tell them about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the

car and tell whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in Astrology also.

When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask him what the problem is,

instead I tell them about his problem. This is not to showoff but to be tuned

to his issues and his purpose of visit. Since you have learned so much, try this

yourself. (warning - don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

consultation, ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

the reality, get out

> > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned into your

problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

> > >

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > >

> > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

> > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mark and others,

> > >

> > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere Astrologers who have

chosen this profession to really help people, and mankind in general..There are

plenty of shady, questionable people in every profession, including this one! I

just happen to come across some really bad apples, and am at fault for

stereotyping astrologers, and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for

paid reading simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the hole from

where you started!

> > >

> > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to vent! By the

way, my anger was not directed toward any particular members on this forum..I

see a handful of genuine people here who frequently participate in discussions,

and guide others in a selfless way!

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

> > > >

> > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

> > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

> > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

> > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

> > > >

> > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

> > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

> > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

> > > >

> > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

> > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

> > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

> > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

> > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

> > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

> > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

> > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

> > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

> > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

> > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

> > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

> > > >

> > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

> > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

> > > > Jyotish, really works.

> > > >

> > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

> > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

> > > >

> > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

> > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

> > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> > > > dis-enabling them!

> > > >

> > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

> > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

> > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

> > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

> > > >

> > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

> > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

> > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

> > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

> > > >

> > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

> > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

> > > >

> > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

> > > >

> > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

> > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

> > > > remedial measures!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mark Kincaid

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

> > > > markkincaid@ ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > > > @ . Com

> > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

> > > >

> > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

> > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

> > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

> > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

> > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

> > > >

> > > > It's sad.

> > > >

> > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

> > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

> > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

> > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

> > > > help yourself!!

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

> > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

> > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

> > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

> > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

> > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

> > > > result will be a failure..... :(

> > > >

> > > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

> > > > my query again and again

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Friends,

Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around money and extra

money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by every one and any one is to

''gain " " what ever way one can or what ever he gets as due and some other

ingenuine methods for that extra reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by

looking around about tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find

solutions to our desperation often found people get misguided and land into the

hands of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive feeling for

the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by leaving behind

staleness definely a step forward in right direction.This is what any body

through would like to lead and explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find

thythym to turn to positive ways.

 

 

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Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek Astrologers!

from M.Kincaid

 

Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to grow

my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired of paying all

that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

 

 

 

Lilly

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

 

>

 

> In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in modern

world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be seen. When similar

instances occur in the way more regulated industries such as the ones you gave

examples from -- and BBB is full of accounts and complaints from many more

including builders, home renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I

have been harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

 

>

 

> You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about mercury and

pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

 

>

 

> Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either because even

vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

 

>

 

> You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you really want

the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul Ashramas, where one grew

their own food and lived with nature and in the peaceful ambience learned what

the purpose of being born is and why are we here!

 

>

 

> Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all can learn

astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will this kind of

bickering and whining continue and people will continue to be unhappy and

negative.

 

>

 

> But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is readily

available and the obvious LAZY choice!

 

>

 

> Rohiniranjan

 

>

 

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Lilly,

 

> >

 

> > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are particularly

when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to noise. There are good,

bad & ugly professionals in every field. Recently our prashant ji mother was

made a cancer patient & the doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the

problem was entirely different (What I understood). One of my friend was

operated on the right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he has a cut

across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will still charge you

through the nose. Another known person's dead body was kept in ICU under the

guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that the hospital could make an additional

50,000/- Look at the recent economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super

experts in management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

class people. So who isn't

 

> > frustrated?

 

> >

 

> > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the best doctor

that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should make proper research

before putting one life in others hand.

 

> >

 

> > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension. I took it

several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They all claimed various

reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem did not go away. The reason

they were wrong in the analysis. Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This

time I did not tell them about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the

car and tell whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in Astrology also.

When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask him what the problem is,

instead I tell them about his problem. This is not to showoff but to be tuned

to his issues and his purpose of visit. Since you have learned so much, try this

yourself. (warning - don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

consultation, ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

the reality, get

out

 

> > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned into your

problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

> >

 

> > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

 

> > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear Mark and others,

 

> >

 

> > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere Astrologers who have

chosen this profession to really help people, and mankind in general..There are

plenty of shady, questionable people in every profession, including this one! I

just happen to come across some really bad apples, and am at fault for

stereotyping astrologers, and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for

paid reading simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the hole from

where you started!

 

> >

 

> > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to vent! By the

way, my anger was not directed toward any particular members on this forum..I

see a handful of genuine people here who frequently participate in discussions,

and guide others in a selfless way!

 

> >

 

> > Lilly

 

> >

 

> > , " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid@ ...>

wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

 

> > >

 

> > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

 

> > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

 

> > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

 

> > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

 

> > >

 

> > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

 

> > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

 

> > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

 

> > >

 

> > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

 

> > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

 

> > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

 

> > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

 

> > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

 

> > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

 

> > >

 

> > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

 

> > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

 

> > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

 

> > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

 

> > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

 

> > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

 

> > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

 

> > >

 

> > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

 

> > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

 

> > > Jyotish, really works.

 

> > >

 

> > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

 

> > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

 

> > >

 

> > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

 

> > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

 

> > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

 

> > > dis-enabling them!

 

> > >

 

> > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

 

> > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

 

> > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

 

> > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

 

> > >

 

> > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

 

> > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

 

> > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

 

> > > others, how to find their own true selves!

 

> > >

 

> > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

 

> > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

 

> > >

 

> > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

 

> > >

 

> > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

 

> > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

 

> > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

 

> > > remedial measures!

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Hope this helps.

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Sincerely,

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Mark Kincaid

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

 

> > > markkincaid@ ...

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

 

> > > @ . Com

 

> > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

 

> > >

 

> > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

 

> > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

 

> > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

 

> > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

 

> > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

 

> > >

 

> > > It's sad.

 

> > >

 

> > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

 

> > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

 

> > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

 

> > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

 

> > > help yourself!!

 

> > >

 

> > > Lilly

 

> > >

 

> > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

 

> > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

 

> > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

 

> > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

 

> > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

 

> > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

 

> > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

 

> > > result will be a failure..... :(

 

> > >

 

> > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

 

> > > my query again and again

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

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Haha Krishnan_jee!

 

The term " CULL " was used to highlight the modern tendency of " cutting a profit! "

;-)

 

After each prayer session comes around the invitable " collection-hat " or the

'daan-thaali'!

 

The trans-religion mahayoga between the 12th and the 9th ;-)

 

 

RR_,

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Friends,

> Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around money and

extra money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by every one and any one

is to ''gain " " what ever way one can or what ever he gets as due and some other

ingenuine methods for that extra reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by

looking around about tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find

solutions to our desperation often found people get misguided and land into the

hands of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

> Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive feeling

for the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by leaving behind

staleness definely a step forward in right direction.This is what any body

through would like to lead and explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find

thythym to turn to positive ways.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

>

> Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

>

 

>

>

>

I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to grow

my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired of paying all

that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

>

>

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in modern

world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be seen. When similar

instances occur in the way more regulated industries such as the ones you gave

examples from -- and BBB is full of accounts and complaints from many more

including builders, home renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I

have been harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

>

> >

>

> > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about mercury and

pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

>

> >

>

> > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either because even

vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

>

> >

>

> > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you really want

the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul Ashramas, where one grew

their own food and lived with nature and in the peaceful ambience learned what

the purpose of being born is and why are we here!

>

> >

>

> > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all can learn

astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will this kind of

bickering and whining continue and people will continue to be unhappy and

negative.

>

> >

>

> > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is readily

available and the obvious LAZY choice!

>

> >

>

> > Rohiniranjan

>

> >

>

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Lilly,

>

> > >

>

> > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to noise. There

are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field. Recently our prashant ji

mother was made a cancer patient & the doctors were getting ready for kemo,

while the problem was entirely different (What I understood). One of my friend

was operated on the right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when

they realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he has a

cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will still charge

you through the nose. Another known person's dead body was kept in ICU under the

guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that the hospital could make an additional

50,000/- Look at the recent economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super

experts in management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

class people. So who isn't

>

> > > frustrated?

>

> > >

>

> > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the best

doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should make proper

research before putting one life in others hand.

>

> > >

>

> > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension. I took it

several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They all claimed various

reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem did not go away. The reason

they were wrong in the analysis. Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This

time I did not tell them about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the

car and tell whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in Astrology also.

When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask him what the problem is,

instead I tell them about his problem. This is not to showoff but to be tuned

to his issues and his purpose of visit. Since you have learned so much, try this

yourself. (warning - don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

consultation, ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

the reality, get

> out

>

> > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned into your

problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

>

> > >

>

> > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

>

> > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Mark and others,

>

> > >

>

> > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere Astrologers who have

chosen this profession to really help people, and mankind in general..There are

plenty of shady, questionable people in every profession, including this one! I

just happen to come across some really bad apples, and am at fault for

stereotyping astrologers, and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for

paid reading simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the hole from

where you started!

>

> > >

>

> > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to vent! By the

way, my anger was not directed toward any particular members on this forum..I

see a handful of genuine people here who frequently participate in discussions,

and guide others in a selfless way!

>

> > >

>

> > > Lilly

>

> > >

>

> > > , " Mark Kincaid " <markkincaid@

....> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

>

> > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

>

> > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

>

> > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then, my Guru

>

> > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so instead be

>

> > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied both Ayurvda

>

> > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people who told

>

> > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most well known

>

> > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made me feel

>

> > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they could be.

>

> > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted extremely well.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and strengths and

>

> > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's Astrology char.

>

> > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to a tee.

>

> > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found that my

>

> > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my friend's

>

> > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I focused on

>

> > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most espcially, Jyotish

>

> > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced me that

>

> > > > Jyotish, really works.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who 1) don't

>

> > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest in ANYONE

>

> > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they only help

>

> > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

>

> > > > dis-enabling them!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23 years, I've

>

> > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but I did

>

> > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

>

> > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

>

> > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on learns ones

>

> > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

>

> > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not here, just

>

> > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability to help

>

> > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

>

> > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic remedies and

>

> > > > remedial measures!

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Hope this helps.

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Sincerely,

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Mark Kincaid

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

>

> > > > markkincaid@ ...

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

>

> > > > @ . Com

>

> > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe that someone

>

> > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their lives.

>

> > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where they stop

>

> > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their own lives.

>

> > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > It's sad.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I have spend

>

> > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I have known

>

> > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They are all

>

> > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your money and

>

> > > > help yourself!!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Lilly

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

>

> > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

>

> > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same problem. I have

>

> > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once happy about

>

> > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about making his own

>

> > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

>

> > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to do, the

>

> > > > result will be a failure..... :(

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even after posting

>

> > > > my query again and again

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

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Dear Krishnan/Rohini Ranjan,

 

If memory serves me right form my dairy days, culling is the practice of

getting rid of the uneconomical stock. The term is widely used in Dairy,

Poulrty and wild life management to make it sustainable.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar

 

On 2/18/2010 7:27 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> Haha Krishnan_jee!

>

> The term " CULL " was used to highlight the modern tendency of " cutting

> a profit! " ;-)

>

> After each prayer session comes around the invitable " collection-hat "

> or the 'daan-thaali'!

>

> The trans-religion mahayoga between the 12th and the 9th ;-)

>

> RR_,

>

>

> <%40>, Vattem Krishnan

> <bursar_99 wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> > Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around

> money and extra money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by

> every one and any one is to ''gain " " what ever way one can or what ever

> he gets as due and some other ingenuine methods for that extra

> reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by looking around about

> tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find solutions to our

> desperation often found people get misguided and land into the hands

> of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

> > Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive

> feeling for the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by

> leaving behind staleness definely a step forward in right

> direction.This is what any body through would like to lead and

> explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find thythym to turn to

> positive ways.

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> >

> > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

> Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> >

> <%40>

> > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to

> grow my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired

> of paying all that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

> >

> >

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in

> modern world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be

> seen. When similar instances occur in the way more regulated

> industries such as the ones you gave examples from -- and BBB is full

> of accounts and complaints from many more including builders, home

> renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I have been

> harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about

> mercury and pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either because

> even vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you

> really want the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul

> Ashramas, where one grew their own food and lived with nature and in

> the peaceful ambience learned what the purpose of being born is and

> why are we here!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all

> can learn astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will

> this kind of bickering and whining continue and people will continue

> to be unhappy and negative.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is

> readily available and the obvious LAZY choice!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > >

> >

> > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

> particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to

> noise. There are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field.

> Recently our prashant ji mother was made a cancer patient & the

> doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the problem was entirely

> different (What I understood). One of my friend was operated on the

> right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

> realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he

> has a cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will

> still charge you through the nose. Another known person's dead body

> was kept in ICU under the guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that

> the hospital could make an additional 50,000/- Look at the recent

> economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super experts in

> management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle class

> people. So who isn't

> >

> > > > frustrated?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the

> best doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should

> make proper research before putting one life in others hand.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension.

> I took it several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They

> all claimed various reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem

> did not go away. The reason they were wrong in the analysis.

> Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This time I did not tell them

> about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the car and tell

> whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

> problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in

> Astrology also. When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask

> him what the problem is, instead I tell them about his problem. This

> is not to showoff but to be tuned to his issues and his purpose of

> visit. Since you have learned so much, try this yourself. (warning -

> don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for consultation,

> ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere the

> reality, get

> > out

> >

> > > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned

> into your problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

> >

> > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people

> seek Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear Mark and others,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere

> Astrologers who have chosen this profession to really help people, and

> mankind in general..There are plenty of shady, questionable people in

> every profession, including this one! I just happen to come across

> some really bad apples, and am at fault for stereotyping astrologers,

> and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for paid reading

> simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

> people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the

> hole from where you started!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to

> vent! By the way, my anger was not directed toward any particular

> members on this forum..I see a handful of genuine people here who

> frequently participate in discussions, and guide others in a selfless way!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Lilly

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > , " Mark Kincaid "

> <markkincaid@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

> >

> > > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

> >

> > > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

> >

> > > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then,

> my Guru

> >

> > > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so

> instead be

> >

> > > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied

> both Ayurvda

> >

> > > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people

> who told

> >

> > > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most

> well known

> >

> > > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made

> me feel

> >

> > > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they

> could be.

> >

> > > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted

> extremely well.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and

> strengths and

> >

> > > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's

> Astrology char.

> >

> > > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to

> a tee.

> >

> > > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found

> that my

> >

> > > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my

> friend's

> >

> > > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I

> focused on

> >

> > > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most

> espcially, Jyotish

> >

> > > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced

> me that

> >

> > > > > Jyotish, really works.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who

> 1) don't

> >

> > > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest

> in ANYONE

> >

> > > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they

> only help

> >

> > > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> >

> > > > > dis-enabling them!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23

> years, I've

> >

> > > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but

> I did

> >

> > > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

> >

> > > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

> >

> > > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on

> learns ones

> >

> > > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

> >

> > > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not

> here, just

> >

> > > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability

> to help

> >

> > > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> >

> > > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic

> remedies and

> >

> > > > > remedial measures!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Hope this helps.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Mark Kincaid

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

> >

> > > > > markkincaid@ ...

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> >

> > > > > @ . Com

> >

> > > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe

> that someone

> >

> > > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their

> lives.

> >

> > > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where

> they stop

> >

> > > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their own

> lives.

> >

> > > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > It's sad.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I

> have spend

> >

> > > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I

> have known

> >

> > > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They

> are all

> >

> > > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your

> money and

> >

> > > > > help yourself!!

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Lilly

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> >

> > > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

> >

> > > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same

> problem. I have

> >

> > > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once

> happy about

> >

> > > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about

> making his own

> >

> > > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

> >

> > > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to

> do, the

> >

> > > > > result will be a failure..... :(

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even

> after posting

> >

> > > > > my query again and again

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

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and certain other breeding industries, such as animals that are bred for

experimentation in science, etc...

 

RR_,

 

, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnan/Rohini Ranjan,

>

> If memory serves me right form my dairy days, culling is the practice of

> getting rid of the uneconomical stock. The term is widely used in Dairy,

> Poulrty and wild life management to make it sustainable.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> On 2/18/2010 7:27 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> >

> > Haha Krishnan_jee!

> >

> > The term " CULL " was used to highlight the modern tendency of " cutting

> > a profit! " ;-)

> >

> > After each prayer session comes around the invitable " collection-hat "

> > or the 'daan-thaali'!

> >

> > The trans-religion mahayoga between the 12th and the 9th ;-)

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Vattem Krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > > Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around

> > money and extra money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by

> > every one and any one is to ''gain " " what ever way one can or what ever

> > he gets as due and some other ingenuine methods for that extra

> > reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by looking around about

> > tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find solutions to our

> > desperation often found people get misguided and land into the hands

> > of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

> > > Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive

> > feeling for the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by

> > leaving behind staleness definely a step forward in right

> > direction.This is what any body through would like to lead and

> > explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find thythym to turn to

> > positive ways.

> > >

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

> > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

> > Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> > >

> > <%40>

> > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to

> > grow my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired

> > of paying all that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in

> > modern world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be

> > seen. When similar instances occur in the way more regulated

> > industries such as the ones you gave examples from -- and BBB is full

> > of accounts and complaints from many more including builders, home

> > renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I have been

> > harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about

> > mercury and pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either because

> > even vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you

> > really want the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul

> > Ashramas, where one grew their own food and lived with nature and in

> > the peaceful ambience learned what the purpose of being born is and

> > why are we here!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all

> > can learn astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will

> > this kind of bickering and whining continue and people will continue

> > to be unhappy and negative.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is

> > readily available and the obvious LAZY choice!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

> > particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to

> > noise. There are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field.

> > Recently our prashant ji mother was made a cancer patient & the

> > doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the problem was entirely

> > different (What I understood). One of my friend was operated on the

> > right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

> > realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he

> > has a cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they will

> > still charge you through the nose. Another known person's dead body

> > was kept in ICU under the guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that

> > the hospital could make an additional 50,000/- Look at the recent

> > economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super experts in

> > management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle class

> > people. So who isn't

> > >

> > > > > frustrated?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the

> > best doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should

> > make proper research before putting one life in others hand.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's suspension.

> > I took it several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They

> > all claimed various reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem

> > did not go away. The reason they were wrong in the analysis.

> > Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This time I did not tell them

> > about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the car and tell

> > whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

> > problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in

> > Astrology also. When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask

> > him what the problem is, instead I tell them about his problem. This

> > is not to showoff but to be tuned to his issues and his purpose of

> > visit. Since you have learned so much, try this yourself. (warning -

> > don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for consultation,

> > ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere the

> > reality, get

> > > out

> > >

> > > > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned

> > into your problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

> > >

> > > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people

> > seek Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Mark and others,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere

> > Astrologers who have chosen this profession to really help people, and

> > mankind in general..There are plenty of shady, questionable people in

> > every profession, including this one! I just happen to come across

> > some really bad apples, and am at fault for stereotyping astrologers,

> > and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for paid reading

> > simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

> > people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the

> > hole from where you started!

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to

> > vent! By the way, my anger was not directed toward any particular

> > members on this forum..I see a handful of genuine people here who

> > frequently participate in discussions, and guide others in a selfless way!

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > , " Mark Kincaid "

> > <markkincaid@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first started

> > >

> > > > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's Hora

> > >

> > > > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically: " If you do

> > >

> > > > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind of toad!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then,

> > my Guru

> > >

> > > > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so

> > instead be

> > >

> > > > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied

> > both Ayurvda

> > >

> > > > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people

> > who told

> > >

> > > > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most

> > well known

> > >

> > > > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made

> > me feel

> > >

> > > > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as they

> > could be.

> > >

> > > > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted

> > extremely well.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and

> > strengths and

> > >

> > > > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's

> > Astrology char.

> > >

> > > > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit m, to

> > a tee.

> > >

> > > > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found

> > that my

> > >

> > > > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my

> > friend's

> > >

> > > > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I

> > focused on

> > >

> > > > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most

> > espcially, Jyotish

> > >

> > > > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced

> > me that

> > >

> > > > > > Jyotish, really works.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people who

> > 1) don't

> > >

> > > > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a profound way.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest

> > in ANYONE

> > >

> > > > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they

> > only help

> > >

> > > > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> > >

> > > > > > dis-enabling them!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23

> > years, I've

> > >

> > > > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people, but

> > I did

> > >

> > > > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more accurately. How

> > >

> > > > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There is an

> > >

> > > > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on

> > learns ones

> > >

> > > > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is to teach

> > >

> > > > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not

> > here, just

> > >

> > > > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability

> > to help

> > >

> > > > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> > >

> > > > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic

> > remedies and

> > >

> > > > > > remedial measures!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

> > >

> > > > > > markkincaid@ ...

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > >

> > > > > > @ . Com

> > >

> > > > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe

> > that someone

> > >

> > > > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their

> > lives.

> > >

> > > > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where

> > they stop

> > >

> > > > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their own

> > lives.

> > >

> > > > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > It's sad.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I

> > have spend

> > >

> > > > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I

> > have known

> > >

> > > > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They

> > are all

> > >

> > > > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save your

> > money and

> > >

> > > > > > help yourself!!

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > >

> > > > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

> > >

> > > > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same

> > problem. I have

> > >

> > > > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once

> > happy about

> > >

> > > > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about

> > making his own

> > >

> > > > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not believe

> > >

> > > > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to

> > do, the

> > >

> > > > > > result will be a failure..... :(

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even

> > after posting

> > >

> > > > > > my query again and again

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

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Chandrashekhar.

 

On 2/19/2010 11:31 PM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> and certain other breeding industries, such as animals that are bred

> for experimentation in science, etc...

>

> RR_,

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishnan/Rohini Ranjan,

> >

> > If memory serves me right form my dairy days, culling is the

> practice of

> > getting rid of the uneconomical stock. The term is widely used in

> Dairy,

> > Poulrty and wild life management to make it sustainable.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> > On 2/18/2010 7:27 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

> > >

> > > Haha Krishnan_jee!

> > >

> > > The term " CULL " was used to highlight the modern tendency of " cutting

> > > a profit! " ;-)

> > >

> > > After each prayer session comes around the invitable " collection-hat "

> > > or the 'daan-thaali'!

> > >

> > > The trans-religion mahayoga between the 12th and the 9th ;-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Vattem Krishnan

> > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Friends,

> > > > Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around

> > > money and extra money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by

> > > every one and any one is to ''gain " " what ever way one can or what

> ever

> > > he gets as due and some other ingenuine methods for that extra

> > > reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by looking around about

> > > tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find solutions to our

> > > desperation often found people get misguided and land into the hands

> > > of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

> > > > Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive

> > > feeling for the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by

> > > leaving behind staleness definely a step forward in right

> > > direction.This is what any body through would like to lead and

> > > explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find thythym to turn to

> > > positive ways.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

> > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

> > > Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to

> > > grow my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired

> > > of paying all that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in

> > > modern world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be

> > > seen. When similar instances occur in the way more regulated

> > > industries such as the ones you gave examples from -- and BBB is full

> > > of accounts and complaints from many more including builders, home

> > > renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I have been

> > > harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about

> > > mercury and pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either

> because

> > > even vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you

> > > really want the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul

> > > Ashramas, where one grew their own food and lived with nature and in

> > > the peaceful ambience learned what the purpose of being born is and

> > > why are we here!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all

> > > can learn astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will

> > > this kind of bickering and whining continue and people will continue

> > > to be unhappy and negative.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is

> > > readily available and the obvious LAZY choice!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

> > > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

> > > particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to

> > > noise. There are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field.

> > > Recently our prashant ji mother was made a cancer patient & the

> > > doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the problem was entirely

> > > different (What I understood). One of my friend was operated on the

> > > right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

> > > realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he

> > > has a cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they

> will

> > > still charge you through the nose. Another known person's dead body

> > > was kept in ICU under the guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that

> > > the hospital could make an additional 50,000/- Look at the recent

> > > economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super experts in

> > > management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

> class

> > > people. So who isn't

> > > >

> > > > > > frustrated?

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the

> > > best doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should

> > > make proper research before putting one life in others hand.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's

> suspension.

> > > I took it several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They

> > > all claimed various reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem

> > > did not go away. The reason they were wrong in the analysis.

> > > Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This time I did not tell them

> > > about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the car and tell

> > > whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

> > > problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in

> > > Astrology also. When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask

> > > him what the problem is, instead I tell them about his problem. This

> > > is not to showoff but to be tuned to his issues and his purpose of

> > > visit. Since you have learned so much, try this yourself. (warning -

> > > don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

> consultation,

> > > ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

> the

> > > reality, get

> > > > out

> > > >

> > > > > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned

> > > into your problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

> > > >

> > > > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people

> > > seek Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mark and others,

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere

> > > Astrologers who have chosen this profession to really help people,

> and

> > > mankind in general..There are plenty of shady, questionable people in

> > > every profession, including this one! I just happen to come across

> > > some really bad apples, and am at fault for stereotyping astrologers,

> > > and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for paid reading

> > > simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

> > > people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the

> > > hole from where you started!

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to

> > > vent! By the way, my anger was not directed toward any particular

> > > members on this forum..I see a handful of genuine people here who

> > > frequently participate in discussions, and guide others in a

> selfless way!

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > , " Mark Kincaid "

> > > <markkincaid@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first

> started

> > > >

> > > > > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's

> Hora

> > > >

> > > > > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically:

> " If you do

> > > >

> > > > > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind

> of toad!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then,

> > > my Guru

> > > >

> > > > > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so

> > > instead be

> > > >

> > > > > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied

> > > both Ayurvda

> > > >

> > > > > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people

> > > who told

> > > >

> > > > > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most

> > > well known

> > > >

> > > > > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made

> > > me feel

> > > >

> > > > > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as

> they

> > > could be.

> > > >

> > > > > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted

> > > extremely well.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and

> > > strengths and

> > > >

> > > > > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's

> > > Astrology char.

> > > >

> > > > > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit

> m, to

> > > a tee.

> > > >

> > > > > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found

> > > that my

> > > >

> > > > > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my

> > > friend's

> > > >

> > > > > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I

> > > focused on

> > > >

> > > > > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most

> > > espcially, Jyotish

> > > >

> > > > > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced

> > > me that

> > > >

> > > > > > > Jyotish, really works.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people

> who

> > > 1) don't

> > > >

> > > > > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a

> profound way.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest

> > > in ANYONE

> > > >

> > > > > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they

> > > only help

> > > >

> > > > > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

> > > >

> > > > > > > dis-enabling them!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23

> > > years, I've

> > > >

> > > > > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people,

> but

> > > I did

> > > >

> > > > > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more

> accurately. How

> > > >

> > > > > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There

> is an

> > > >

> > > > > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on

> > > learns ones

> > > >

> > > > > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is

> to teach

> > > >

> > > > > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not

> > > here, just

> > > >

> > > > > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability

> > > to help

> > > >

> > > > > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

> > > >

> > > > > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic

> > > remedies and

> > > >

> > > > > > > remedial measures!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

> > > >

> > > > > > > markkincaid@ ...

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > > >

> > > > > > > @ . Com

> > > >

> > > > > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe

> > > that someone

> > > >

> > > > > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their

> > > lives.

> > > >

> > > > > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where

> > > they stop

> > > >

> > > > > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their

> own

> > > lives.

> > > >

> > > > > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > It's sad.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I

> > > have spend

> > > >

> > > > > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I

> > > have known

> > > >

> > > > > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They

> > > are all

> > > >

> > > > > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save

> your

> > > money and

> > > >

> > > > > > > help yourself!!

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

> > > >

> > > > > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

> > > >

> > > > > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same

> > > problem. I have

> > > >

> > > > > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once

> > > happy about

> > > >

> > > > > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about

> > > making his own

> > > >

> > > > > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not

> believe

> > > >

> > > > > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to

> > > do, the

> > > >

> > > > > > > result will be a failure..... :(

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even

> > > after posting

> > > >

> > > > > > > my query again and again

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear Sir,

I agree sustainability is most important aspect of Kaliyuga..Darwinism too is

selectivity and  extinction as propounded.

From electronical modes too need is felt to remove redundant knowledge to gear

up and refresh emerging knowledge.

" His Knowledge is culled from a huge number of sources " (Chmabers

UniversalLearner's Dictionary)

Simple meaning is gather.Applicable in a knowledge forum like jyotish studies

and the other is relevant with reference to kaliyuga(as " surplus is selectively

killed " after selection:kaliyuga?)

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sat, 2/20/10, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

Re: Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

 

Saturday, February 20, 2010, 12:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

On 2/19/2010 11:31 PM, rohinicrystal wrote:

 

>

 

> and certain other breeding industries, such as animals that are bred

 

> for experimentation in science, etc...

 

>

 

> RR_,

 

>

 

>

 

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar

 

> <sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Krishnan/Rohini Ranjan,

 

> >

 

> > If memory serves me right form my dairy days, culling is the

 

> practice of

 

> > getting rid of the uneconomical stock. The term is widely used in

 

> Dairy,

 

> > Poulrty and wild life management to make it sustainable.

 

> >

 

> > Regards,

 

> > Chandrashekhar

 

> >

 

> > On 2/18/2010 7:27 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Haha Krishnan_jee!

 

> > >

 

> > > The term " CULL " was used to highlight the modern tendency of " cutting

 

> > > a profit! " ;-)

 

> > >

 

> > > After each prayer session comes around the invitable " collection- hat "

 

> > > or the 'daan-thaali' !

 

> > >

 

> > > The trans-religion mahayoga between the 12th and the 9th ;-)

 

> > >

 

> > > RR_,

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Vattem Krishnan

 

> > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Friends,

 

> > > > Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around

 

> > > money and extra money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by

 

> > > every one and any one is to ''gain " " what ever way one can or what

 

> ever

 

> > > he gets as due and some other ingenuine methods for that extra

 

> > > reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by looking around about

 

> > > tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find solutions to our

 

> > > desperation often found people get misguided and land into the hands

 

> > > of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

 

> > > > Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive

 

> > > feeling for the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by

 

> > > leaving behind staleness definely a step forward in right

 

> > > direction.This is what any body through would like to lead and

 

> > > explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find thythym to turn to

 

> > > positive ways.

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

 

> > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

 

> > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

 

> > > >

 

> > > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

> > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

 

> > > Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

 

> > > >

 

> <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

 

> > > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Â

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to

 

> > > grow my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired

 

> > > of paying all that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Lilly

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

 

> > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in

 

> > > modern world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be

 

> > > seen. When similar instances occur in the way more regulated

 

> > > industries such as the ones you gave examples from -- and BBB is full

 

> > > of accounts and complaints from many more including builders, home

 

> > > renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I have been

 

> > > harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about

 

> > > mercury and pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either

 

> because

 

> > > even vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you

 

> > > really want the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul

 

> > > Ashramas, where one grew their own food and lived with nature and in

 

> > > the peaceful ambience learned what the purpose of being born is and

 

> > > why are we here!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all

 

> > > can learn astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will

 

> > > this kind of bickering and whining continue and people will continue

 

> > > to be unhappy and negative.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is

 

> > > readily available and the obvious LAZY choice!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > > >

 

> > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

 

> > > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

 

> > > particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to

 

> > > noise. There are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field.

 

> > > Recently our prashant ji mother was made a cancer patient & the

 

> > > doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the problem was entirely

 

> > > different (What I understood). One of my friend was operated on the

 

> > > right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

 

> > > realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he

 

> > > has a cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they

 

> will

 

> > > still charge you through the nose. Another known person's dead body

 

> > > was kept in ICU under the guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that

 

> > > the hospital could make an additional 50,000/- Look at the recent

 

> > > economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super experts in

 

> > > management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

 

> class

 

> > > people. So who isn't

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > frustrated?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the

 

> > > best doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should

 

> > > make proper research before putting one life in others hand.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's

 

> suspension.

 

> > > I took it several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They

 

> > > all claimed various reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem

 

> > > did not go away. The reason they were wrong in the analysis.

 

> > > Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This time I did not tell them

 

> > > about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the car and tell

 

> > > whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

 

> > > problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in

 

> > > Astrology also. When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask

 

> > > him what the problem is, instead I tell them about his problem. This

 

> > > is not to showoff but to be tuned to his issues and his purpose of

 

> > > visit. Since you have learned so much, try this yourself. (warning -

 

> > > don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

 

> consultation,

 

> > > ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

 

> the

 

> > > reality, get

 

> > > > out

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned

 

> > > into your problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people

 

> > > seek Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Mark and others,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere

 

> > > Astrologers who have chosen this profession to really help people,

 

> and

 

> > > mankind in general..There are plenty of shady, questionable people in

 

> > > every profession, including this one! I just happen to come across

 

> > > some really bad apples, and am at fault for stereotyping astrologers,

 

> > > and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for paid reading

 

> > > simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

 

> > > people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the

 

> > > hole from where you started!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to

 

> > > vent! By the way, my anger was not directed toward any particular

 

> > > members on this forum..I see a handful of genuine people here who

 

> > > frequently participate in discussions, and guide others in a

 

> selfless way!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > Lilly

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > , " Mark Kincaid "

 

> > > <markkincaid@ ...> wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first

 

> started

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's

 

> Hora

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically:

 

> " If you do

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind

 

> of toad!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then,

 

> > > my Guru

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so

 

> > > instead be

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied

 

> > > both Ayurvda

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people

 

> > > who told

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most

 

> > > well known

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made

 

> > > me feel

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as

 

> they

 

> > > could be.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted

 

> > > extremely well.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and

 

> > > strengths and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's

 

> > > Astrology char.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit

 

> m, to

 

> > > a tee.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found

 

> > > that my

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my

 

> > > friend's

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I

 

> > > focused on

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most

 

> > > espcially, Jyotish

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced

 

> > > me that

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Jyotish, really works.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people

 

> who

 

> > > 1) don't

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a

 

> profound way.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest

 

> > > in ANYONE

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they

 

> > > only help

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > dis-enabling them!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23

 

> > > years, I've

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people,

 

> but

 

> > > I did

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more

 

> accurately. How

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There

 

> is an

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on

 

> > > learns ones

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is

 

> to teach

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not

 

> > > here, just

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability

 

> > > to help

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic

 

> > > remedies and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > remedial measures!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Hope this helps.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > markkincaid@ ...

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > @ . Com

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe

 

> > > that someone

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their

 

> > > lives.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where

 

> > > they stop

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their

 

> own

 

> > > lives.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > It's sad.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I

 

> > > have spend

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I

 

> > > have known

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They

 

> > > are all

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save

 

> your

 

> > > money and

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > help yourself!!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Lilly

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same

 

> > > problem. I have

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once

 

> > > happy about

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about

 

> > > making his own

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not

 

> believe

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to

 

> > > do, the

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > result will be a failure..... :(

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even

 

> > > after posting

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > > my query again and again

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> > > >

 

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Perhaps applicable to jyotish in other yugas as well, but in my humble

perspective, culling has become very essential in modern Jyotish. We are being

increasingly bombarded by multiplicity of factors from techniques, dasas,

double-, triple- and other multiple-roles of the one and the same planet, not to

mention many different mathematical considerations (ayanamshas, geotopical vs

geocentric, aspects considered in different ways and the laundry list just

continues on and on even when not considering differnt rule-structures

[techniques and schools such as Arabic, Chinese, Burmese, Nepalese ad nauseum]).

Little wonder that many practitioners cover their ears and YELL, " BAS AUR

NAHIN! "

 

Most 'human' jyotishis (we are not talking about superhuman ones!) therefore

have always utilized culling of techniques! Some call it wise selection, or

manageable selection to keep jyotish sustainable within their capacity and

capability!

 

Like any fine balance, the degree of culling must not be arbitrary for some

restrict the toolbox too much which is like using an 8-bit CMOS light capturing

chip as opposed to a 32-bit density chip! Naturally the resolution of the image

captured (reading analysis) will suffer! On the contrary, a 256 bit chip will

create massive images that would be hard to see in their entirety on the small

video imaging screen that the human jyotishi has been born endowed with!

 

Culling makes the task of practicing jyotish manageable! But each has to decide

how to balance resolution with the ability to perceive and utilize the jyotish

pattern matching/identification that we individually are capable of.

 

And the choice or decision should not be arbitrary but empirical! That is where

we come with the adage: Use whatever works in your hands!

 

Obviously the choice has to be made intelligently and keeping ones abilities in

mind. But then that should not become a gold standard to impose on everyone! To

each his or her own, as they say!

 

Respectfully submitted,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> I agree sustainability is most important aspect of Kaliyuga..Darwinism too is

selectivity and  extinction as propounded.

> From electronical modes too need is felt to remove redundant knowledge to gear

up and refresh emerging knowledge.

> " His Knowledge is culled from a huge number of sources " (Chmabers

UniversalLearner's Dictionary)

> Simple meaning is gather.Applicable in a knowledge forum like jyotish studies

and the other is relevant with reference to kaliyuga(as " surplus is selectively

killed " after selection:kaliyuga?)

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

> Re: Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

>

> Saturday, February 20, 2010, 12:15 PM

>

 

>

>

>

True.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> On 2/19/2010 11:31 PM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> >

>

> > and certain other breeding industries, such as animals that are bred

>

> > for experimentation in science, etc...

>

> >

>

> > RR_,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar

>

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Krishnan/Rohini Ranjan,

>

> > >

>

> > > If memory serves me right form my dairy days, culling is the

>

> > practice of

>

> > > getting rid of the uneconomical stock. The term is widely used in

>

> > Dairy,

>

> > > Poulrty and wild life management to make it sustainable.

>

> > >

>

> > > Regards,

>

> > > Chandrashekhar

>

> > >

>

> > > On 2/18/2010 7:27 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Haha Krishnan_jee!

>

> > > >

>

> > > > The term " CULL " was used to highlight the modern tendency of " cutting

>

> > > > a profit! " ;-)

>

> > > >

>

> > > > After each prayer session comes around the invitable " collection- hat "

>

> > > > or the 'daan-thaali' !

>

> > > >

>

> > > > The trans-religion mahayoga between the 12th and the 9th ;-)

>

> > > >

>

> > > > RR_,

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Vattem Krishnan

>

> > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Friends,

>

> > > > > Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around

>

> > > > money and extra money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by

>

> > > > every one and any one is to ''gain " " what ever way one can or what

>

> > ever

>

> > > > he gets as due and some other ingenuine methods for that extra

>

> > > > reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by looking around about

>

> > > > tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find solutions to our

>

> > > > desperation often found people get misguided and land into the hands

>

> > > > of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

>

> > > > > Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive

>

> > > > feeling for the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by

>

> > > > leaving behind staleness definely a step forward in right

>

> > > > direction.This is what any body through would like to lead and

>

> > > > explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find thythym to turn to

>

> > > > positive ways.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

>

> > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control

>

> > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

>

> > > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

>

> > > > Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

>

> > > > >

>

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Â

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to

>

> > > > grow my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired

>

> > > > of paying all that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Lilly

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

>

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in

>

> > > > modern world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be

>

> > > > seen. When similar instances occur in the way more regulated

>

> > > > industries such as the ones you gave examples from -- and BBB is full

>

> > > > of accounts and complaints from many more including builders, home

>

> > > > renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I have been

>

> > > > harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about

>

> > > > mercury and pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either

>

> > because

>

> > > > even vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you

>

> > > > really want the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul

>

> > > > Ashramas, where one grew their own food and lived with nature and in

>

> > > > the peaceful ambience learned what the purpose of being born is and

>

> > > > why are we here!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all

>

> > > > can learn astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will

>

> > > > this kind of bickering and whining continue and people will continue

>

> > > > to be unhappy and negative.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is

>

> > > > readily available and the obvious LAZY choice!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

>

> > > > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

>

> > > > particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to

>

> > > > noise. There are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field.

>

> > > > Recently our prashant ji mother was made a cancer patient & the

>

> > > > doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the problem was entirely

>

> > > > different (What I understood). One of my friend was operated on the

>

> > > > right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

>

> > > > realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he

>

> > > > has a cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they

>

> > will

>

> > > > still charge you through the nose. Another known person's dead body

>

> > > > was kept in ICU under the guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that

>

> > > > the hospital could make an additional 50,000/- Look at the recent

>

> > > > economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super experts in

>

> > > > management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

>

> > class

>

> > > > people. So who isn't

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > frustrated?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the

>

> > > > best doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should

>

> > > > make proper research before putting one life in others hand.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's

>

> > suspension.

>

> > > > I took it several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They

>

> > > > all claimed various reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem

>

> > > > did not go away. The reason they were wrong in the analysis.

>

> > > > Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This time I did not tell them

>

> > > > about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the car and tell

>

> > > > whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

>

> > > > problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in

>

> > > > Astrology also. When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask

>

> > > > him what the problem is, instead I tell them about his problem. This

>

> > > > is not to showoff but to be tuned to his issues and his purpose of

>

> > > > visit. Since you have learned so much, try this yourself. (warning -

>

> > > > don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

>

> > consultation,

>

> > > > ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

>

> > the

>

> > > > reality, get

>

> > > > > out

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned

>

> > > > into your problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people

>

> > > > seek Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Mark and others,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere

>

> > > > Astrologers who have chosen this profession to really help people,

>

> > and

>

> > > > mankind in general..There are plenty of shady, questionable people in

>

> > > > every profession, including this one! I just happen to come across

>

> > > > some really bad apples, and am at fault for stereotyping astrologers,

>

> > > > and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for paid reading

>

> > > > simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

>

> > > > people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the

>

> > > > hole from where you started!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to

>

> > > > vent! By the way, my anger was not directed toward any particular

>

> > > > members on this forum..I see a handful of genuine people here who

>

> > > > frequently participate in discussions, and guide others in a

>

> > selfless way!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Lilly

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > , " Mark Kincaid "

>

> > > > <markkincaid@ ...> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first

>

> > started

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's

>

> > Hora

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically:

>

> > " If you do

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind

>

> > of toad!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then,

>

> > > > my Guru

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so

>

> > > > instead be

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied

>

> > > > both Ayurvda

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people

>

> > > > who told

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most

>

> > > > well known

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made

>

> > > > me feel

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as

>

> > they

>

> > > > could be.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted

>

> > > > extremely well.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and

>

> > > > strengths and

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's

>

> > > > Astrology char.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit

>

> > m, to

>

> > > > a tee.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found

>

> > > > that my

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my

>

> > > > friend's

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I

>

> > > > focused on

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most

>

> > > > espcially, Jyotish

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced

>

> > > > me that

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Jyotish, really works.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people

>

> > who

>

> > > > 1) don't

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a

>

> > profound way.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest

>

> > > > in ANYONE

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they

>

> > > > only help

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > dis-enabling them!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23

>

> > > > years, I've

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people,

>

> > but

>

> > > > I did

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more

>

> > accurately. How

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There

>

> > is an

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on

>

> > > > learns ones

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is

>

> > to teach

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not

>

> > > > here, just

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability

>

> > > > to help

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic

>

> > > > remedies and

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > remedial measures!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > markkincaid@ ...

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > @ . Com

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe

>

> > > > that someone

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their

>

> > > > lives.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where

>

> > > > they stop

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their

>

> > own

>

> > > > lives.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > It's sad.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I

>

> > > > have spend

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I

>

> > > > have known

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They

>

> > > > are all

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save

>

> > your

>

> > > > money and

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > help yourself!!

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Lilly

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

>

> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

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> > > > > > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same

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> > > > problem. I have

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> > > > > > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once

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> > > > > > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about

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> > > > > > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not

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> > > > > > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to

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Dear Rohini Ranjan,

 

I agree with your views. The information overload may blunt the analytical

powers.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

-

rohinicrystal

Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:39 AM

Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

 

 

 

Perhaps applicable to jyotish in other yugas as well, but in my humble

perspective, culling has become very essential in modern Jyotish. We are being

increasingly bombarded by multiplicity of factors from techniques, dasas,

double-, triple- and other multiple-roles of the one and the same planet, not to

mention many different mathematical considerations (ayanamshas, geotopical vs

geocentric, aspects considered in different ways and the laundry list just

continues on and on even when not considering differnt rule-structures

[techniques and schools such as Arabic, Chinese, Burmese, Nepalese ad nauseum]).

Little wonder that many practitioners cover their ears and YELL, " BAS AUR

NAHIN! "

 

Most 'human' jyotishis (we are not talking about superhuman ones!) therefore

have always utilized culling of techniques! Some call it wise selection, or

manageable selection to keep jyotish sustainable within their capacity and

capability!

 

Like any fine balance, the degree of culling must not be arbitrary for some

restrict the toolbox too much which is like using an 8-bit CMOS light capturing

chip as opposed to a 32-bit density chip! Naturally the resolution of the image

captured (reading analysis) will suffer! On the contrary, a 256 bit chip will

create massive images that would be hard to see in their entirety on the small

video imaging screen that the human jyotishi has been born endowed with!

 

Culling makes the task of practicing jyotish manageable! But each has to

decide how to balance resolution with the ability to perceive and utilize the

jyotish pattern matching/identification that we individually are capable of.

 

And the choice or decision should not be arbitrary but empirical! That is

where we come with the adage: Use whatever works in your hands!

 

Obviously the choice has to be made intelligently and keeping ones abilities

in mind. But then that should not become a gold standard to impose on everyone!

To each his or her own, as they say!

 

Respectfully submitted,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> I agree sustainability is most important aspect of Kaliyuga..Darwinism too

is selectivity and extinction as propounded.

> From electronical modes too need is felt to remove redundant knowledge to

gear up and refresh emerging knowledge.

> " His Knowledge is culled from a huge number of sources " (Chmabers

UniversalLearner's Dictionary)

> Simple meaning is gather.Applicable in a knowledge forum like jyotish

studies and the other is relevant with reference to kaliyuga(as " surplus is

selectively killed " after selection:kaliyuga?)

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>

> --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

> Re: Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

>

> Saturday, February 20, 2010, 12:15 PM

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> Â

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> True.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

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>

>

> On 2/19/2010 11:31 PM, rohinicrystal wrote:

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> >

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> > and certain other breeding industries, such as animals that are bred

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> > for experimentation in science, etc...

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> >

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> > RR_,

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> >

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> >

>

> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar

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> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

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> > >

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> > > Dear Krishnan/Rohini Ranjan,

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> > >

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> > > If memory serves me right form my dairy days, culling is the

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> > practice of

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> > > getting rid of the uneconomical stock. The term is widely used in

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> > Dairy,

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> > > Poulrty and wild life management to make it sustainable.

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> > >

>

> > > Regards,

>

> > > Chandrashekhar

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> > >

>

> > > On 2/18/2010 7:27 AM, rohinicrystal wrote:

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> > > >

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> > > > Haha Krishnan_jee!

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> > > >

>

> > > > The term " CULL " was used to highlight the modern tendency of " cutting

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> > > > a profit! " ;-)

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> > > >

>

> > > > After each prayer session comes around the invitable " collection- hat "

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> > > > or the 'daan-thaali' !

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> > > >

>

> > > > The trans-religion mahayoga between the 12th and the 9th ;-)

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> > > >

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> > > > RR_,

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> > > >

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> > > >

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> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Vattem Krishnan

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> > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

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> > > > >

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> > > > > Friends,

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> > > > > Probably it cull or Kali yuga,the ideas necessarily roam around

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> > > > money and extra money.Most of the efforts now made in this yuga by

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> > > > every one and any one is to ''gain " " what ever way one can or what

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> > ever

>

> > > > he gets as due and some other ingenuine methods for that extra

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> > > > reflecting how insecured feeling one gets by looking around about

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> > > > tomorrow.In the process of veering around and find solutions to our

>

> > > > desperation often found people get misguided and land into the hands

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> > > > of those people who r just awaiting and prowling.

>

> > > > > Self effort probably to avoid that extra atleast give some positive

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> > > > feeling for the effort involved.As things become green and freash,by

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> > > > leaving behind staleness definely a step forward in right

>

> > > > direction.This is what any body through would like to lead and

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> > > > explain.v wish people to breathe easily and find thythym to turn to

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> > > > positive ways.

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

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> > > > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ, Ã, Wisemen Can

Control

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> > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃ,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

>

> > > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people seek

>

> > > > Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

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> > > > >

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> > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>

>

> > > > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:43 PM

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > Ã,

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> > > > >

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> > > > > I do! I am trying to go as natural as possible, and now planning to

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> > > > grow my own organic garden in the limited space available! I am tired

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> > > > of paying all that extra money at the store when I can do this myself.

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > Lilly

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

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> > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > In an unregulated industry like astrology currently has become in

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> > > > modern world, it is hardly surprising that such infractions will be

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> > > > seen. When similar instances occur in the way more regulated

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> > > > industries such as the ones you gave examples from -- and BBB is full

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> > > > of accounts and complaints from many more including builders, home

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> > > > renovators etc etc -- there is only one INSURANCE and I have been

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> > > > harping on that till my mouth has gone dry and disfigured!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > You like to eat fish? Learn how to fish! Stop complaining about

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> > > > mercury and pesticides in the fish that you buy from the fishermen!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > Going vegetarian (satwik approaches!) will not help either

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> > because

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> > > > even vegetables are contaminated in CULL-YUGA!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > You will pretty much have to grow your own vegetables too if you

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> > > > really want the pure stuff. Like used to be expected in the Gurukul

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> > > > Ashramas, where one grew their own food and lived with nature and in

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> > > > the peaceful ambience learned what the purpose of being born is and

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> > > > why are we here!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > Only when we all shake off this inferiority complex that not all

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> > > > can learn astrology or to fish or to grow our own vegetables -- will

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> > > > this kind of bickering and whining continue and people will continue

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> > > > to be unhappy and negative.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > But who has the time to grow and prepare food when fast food is

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> > > > readily available and the obvious LAZY choice!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > > >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G "

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> > > > <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > >

>

> > > > > > > I can understand your desperation / frustration. We equally are

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> > > > particularly when discussion become " pointless " and transform in to

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> > > > noise. There are good, bad & ugly professionals in every field.

>

> > > > Recently our prashant ji mother was made a cancer patient & the

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> > > > doctors were getting ready for kemo, while the problem was entirely

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> > > > different (What I understood). One of my friend was operated on the

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> > > > right side first for kidney stones on the left side. when they

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> > > > realized the mistake, they did a second operation on the left. Now he

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> > > > has a cut across his belly (old type of surgery). Off course they

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> > will

>

> > > > still charge you through the nose. Another known person's dead body

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> > > > was kept in ICU under the guise of treatment to 3 more days, so that

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> > > > the hospital could make an additional 50,000/- Look at the recent

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> > > > economic breakdown perpetrated by so called super experts in

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> > > > management & economics. And who suffers most - the common middle

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> > class

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> > > > people. So who isn't

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > frustrated?

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > The point is if you have a serious problem, you will choose the

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> > > > best doctor that suits you, need not be the famous always. One should

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> > > > make proper research before putting one life in others hand.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > A couple of years back I had a problem with my car's

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> > suspension.

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> > > > I took it several workshops (reputed) and explained the problem. They

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> > > > all claimed various reasons and charged for repairs. But the problem

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> > > > did not go away. The reason they were wrong in the analysis.

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> > > > Frustrated, I took it another workshop. This time I did not tell them

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> > > > about any problem. Instead just asked them to drive the car and tell

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> > > > whether it has any problem. That fellow correctly identified the

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> > > > problem and rectified it. This is something what I practice in

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> > > > Astrology also. When a person walks in for consultation, I rarely ask

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> > > > him what the problem is, instead I tell them about his problem. This

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> > > > is not to showoff but to be tuned to his issues and his purpose of

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> > > > visit. Since you have learned so much, try this yourself. (warning -

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> > > > don't try this on Internet). And if you visit anyone for

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> > consultation,

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> > > > ask him to what could be your problem. If he doesn't come anywhere

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> > the

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> > > > reality, get

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> > > > > out

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > as soon as possible. Either, he is not good or he is not tuned

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> > > > into your problem at that time. Both ways it won't benefit you much.

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Wed, February 17, 2010 11:53:57 PM

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Re: 2-Lilly, Tarun and all, re. Desperate people

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> > > > seek Astrologers! from M.Kincaid

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > Dear Mark and others,

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Please understand I wasn't trying to put down sincere

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> > > > Astrologers who have chosen this profession to really help people,

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> > and

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> > > > mankind in general..There are plenty of shady, questionable people in

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> > > > every profession, including this one! I just happen to come across

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> > > > some really bad apples, and am at fault for stereotyping astrologers,

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> > > > and this profession.. I had wasted tons of money for paid reading

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> > > > simply out of desperation, and many had seriously misguided

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> > > > people!It's like a blind leading the blind, you fall deeper in the

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> > > > hole from where you started!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Just had a lot of anger and frustration inside, and needed to

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> > > > vent! By the way, my anger was not directed toward any particular

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> > > > members on this forum..I see a handful of genuine people here who

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> > > > frequently participate in discussions, and guide others in a

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> > selfless way!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Lilly

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > , " Mark Kincaid "

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> > > > <markkincaid@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, Tarun and all,

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> > > > > > > > You bring up some valid points. I remember when I first

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> > started

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > studying Jyotish, I came across this passage in Parshara's

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> > Hora

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Astrology book. I'm paraphrasing but he said basically:

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> > " If you do

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Astrology poorly.... " you'll come back as the worst kind

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> > of toad!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > So, that cautioned me to do Astrology very profoundly. Then,

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> > > > my Guru

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > used to say: " You all don't know enough to be critical, so

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> > > > instead be

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > uplifting nourishing and inspiring! "

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > And, finally, when I came back India in 1987 having studied

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> > > > both Ayurvda

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > and Jyotish, over the next year I ran into probably 20 people

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> > > > who told

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > me of their false predictions by each of the major or most

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> > > > well known

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > astrologers in the world, at that time. That experience, made

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> > > > me feel

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> > > > > > > > perhaps, that 'predictions' were not as well perfected as

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> > they

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> > > > could be.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Because I also met some, who's charts had been predicted

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> > > > extremely well.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Anyway, instead I focused on how one's personality and

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> > > > strengths and

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > weaknesses can be accurately described in each person's

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> > > > Astrology char.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Because I'd already found that 'my chart' really did fit

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> > m, to

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> > > > a tee.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > So, I focused on studying the charts of others. First I found

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> > > > that my

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > family members fit their charts. Then, I found that all my

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> > > > friend's

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > charts seemed to give keen insight into them, too. Then, I

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> > > > focused on

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > my acquaintances which brought up my 'charts' to about 100.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > But, it wasn't until I learned how Astrology and most

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> > > > espcially, Jyotish

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > fit over 500 people who's charts I did, that really convinced

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> > > > me that

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> > > > > > > > Jyotish, really works.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Over the years, however, I too came across a lot of people

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> > who

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> > > > 1) don't

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > pursue it correctly or 2) don't apply Astrology in a

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> > profound way.

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > There is a limit, by the way as to how much one should invest

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> > > > in ANYONE

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > else! Even modern day Psychologists, have discovered, if they

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> > > > only help

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > their patients, stay chained to them, then, they are also only

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > dis-enabling them!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Astrology, then, should be self-healing. Over the last 23

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> > > > years, I've

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > not been able to afford much readings from 'other' people,

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> > but

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> > > > I did

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > find that every day, my chart fit me more and more

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> > accurately. How

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > well do you both know your own charts, by the way?

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > We each should be understanding our complete charts. There

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> > is an

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > undeniable, 'awakening' quality that happens within, when on

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> > > > learns ones

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > own chart more and more. The Vedic ideal, by the way, is

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> > to teach

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > others, how to find their own true selves!

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Even in the West, Christ was supposed to have said: " I'm not

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> > > > here, just

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > to give a person a fish, but to teach them to fish! "

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > So, everything you both say, is correct.

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > > > > > Only, that doesn't diminish at all, Jyotish's natural ability

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> > > > to help

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> > > > > > > > people, #1) see themselves more purely, and #2) also help

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> > > > > > > > people evolve, and get better by practicing important Vedic

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> > > > > > > > remedial measures!

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> > > > > > > > Hope this helps.

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> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

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> > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

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> > > > > > > > www.naturesastrolog y.com <http://www.naturesa strology. com>

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> > > > > > > > markkincaid@ ...

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> > > > > > > > Desperate people seek Astrologers!

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> > > > > > > > @ . Com

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> > > > > > > > Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:26 PM

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> > > > > > > > Why do we believe in astrology? Because many people believe

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> > > > > > > > else has the answers to the problems they are facing in their

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> > > > > > > > These people are usually weak and have come to a point where

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> > > > > > > > believing in themselves and the power they have over their

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> > > > > > > > They don't believe in themselves and their own abilities.

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> > > > > > > > It's sad.

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> > > > > > > > Please stop wasting your hard-earned money on astrology! I

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> > > > > > > > enough of my money and I'm ready to stop. Every astrologer I

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> > > > > > > > and paid good money for readings have made false claims. They

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> > > > > > > > money-grubbing crooks that prey on desperate people. Save

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> > > > > > > > help yourself!!

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> > > > > > > > Lilly

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> > > > > > > > Re: Desperate people seek Astrologers!

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> > > > > > > > Posted by: " tarun g " tarun_gupta_ 85@ tarun_gupta_ 85

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> > > > > > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:20 pm (PST)

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> > > > > > > > Well Said.... I think I am also suffering from the same

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> > > > > > > > actually lost belief in my capabilities. A boy who was once

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> > > > > > > > everything he was doing.... filled with confidence about

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> > > > > > > > life..... has now suddenly becomes a man who just can not

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> > > > > > > > himself...A man who now thinks that whatever he is going to

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> > > > > > > > result will be a failure..... :(

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> > > > > > > > Above all people on this group has never ever replied even

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> > > > > > > > my query again and again

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