Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART.

February 16, 2010

Dear Krishna ji,

My arguement was purely that RAMAN's NOTABLE HOROSCOPES was a book abut why the

selected cases were FAMOUS. and raman ji has just given the combinations and

LIMITED his analysis to that alone he DID not do a astro-biography of any case

even the Swami's case so how can anyone SAY HE DID NOT KNOW or is wrong, they

would have done their home work and proceeded on the works they present with

enough caution, their wisdom their resources both from learning and meeting

various mutt heads, scholars, scientists, historians, psychologists, doctors,

lawyers, politicans etc close to the subject or some research themselves are

there, there r printing mistakes we all do admit

in some cases both BSR, BVR have said why they may choose a different amsa,

lagna for a given chart and explained the same in good detail, if they had a

doubt STILL THEY stuck to the chandra rasi's position or the 12 noon position of

charts concerned and made their comments. above all they never condemed any of

the rishies, or astrologers before them to push their argument even the ayanamsa

too. they followed, explained what they felt was right

In this by Lalit Misra renaming himself to Utkal panigrahi remove his history or

his own conduct in the same name by example is his choice, and what public will

see, analyse along with the arguements he puts accross.

he has not substaniated other earthly charts like Ashis nehra prabhu pad,

Hanuman ji etc. just saying it is all earthly sign featurs take a look

he can bring in more of Makara cases, dhanur cases too along and present his

case and leave the rest in good faith to public to judge

we r not judges or authorities in the subject but at the same time we don't want

anyone else to do the same esp on the pioneers, pillars of the subject like BSR,

BVR, KNR, PVN etc.

this is all none of them need our support, just the respect they deserve.

we can disagree and present our case than say they don;'t know....

and above all he claims mother has told him directly this can't fit any

astrological rule that is commonly accessible either and when intuition is they

key why follow astrological platform they r a different plane altogether.

this is all my case was nothing personal. weneed a level playing filed astrology

alone not other factors.

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

Tue, February 16, 2010 5:58:49 AM

Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved at 6.40om

Dear Sir,

Here the interest we evince is towards facts and figures and we do not consider

names as the knowledge and authenticity indicatesbasically intention of our

participation is to know and learn by different leans.This is the value addition

which every member looks forward. If in the course of their approaches they

involve their personalities, we do not want the issue to be prolonged with out

significant facts and appreciation.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.

B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are

neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

--- On Sun, 2/14/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved at 6.40om

Sunday, February 14, 2010, 2:45 PM

Dear Mr Krishnan,

Are you supporting demeanure of GB Prashant kumar that he has shown

during we were discussing Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope.

In a debate/dispute between two people who he is to pass comments on

behalf of other person with an intention to lower other's status.

He is no advocate of BV Raman also ... members know how to resepect his

work.

If GB Prashant has capability, he could have participated in discussions

but he was playing his game like a shrewd politician,

it's condemned, pls clear your stand on his demeanure.

regards,

Utkal

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> When v share our views on matters relating to jyotish certainly we

need to keep in mind it is part ofÃ‚ vedas and known as vedanga.there

is every need to maintain respect and decorum so as to hold jyotish on

highest pedestal.In this context there can never be a 2nd opinion.It is

the duty of one and all to respect the subject and there by we also gain

respect.Posibly some where there might be difference in views as well as

expressions but all such messages will be held inÃ‚ respect if only

they carry attaicacy and decorum undoubtedly There by we r

respecting:/ /JYOTISH IS SACRED NO individual is higher than the

subject//

> 2These viewsÃ‚ as:.//here is a role we perform as fairly as

possible.// is most essential and no room for any doubt should be

there.Meaningful views and appropriate to the items/thread/ heading need

no interjection what so ever.probably this is how v also have an

occasion to understand and get educated so that the man hours v spent

become most positiveÃ‚ and give enlightment.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚ Ã‚ Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÃ‚

>

> --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@.. . wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@.. .

> Msg 71709-71712 - approved at 6.40om

> " jyotish remedies "

> Sunday, February 14, 2010, 10:12 AM

>

> Ã‚

>

> Dear Members,

>

> due to unexpected commitments was not at home till 6.35 pm came back

and approved messages no 71709-12 just now,

>

> I had for a 11 week period left the group unmoderated except some

trouble makers in the past.

>

> and all NEW MEMBERS from 28/4/08 to 21/11/09 WERE moderated depending

on their 100 day peaceful conduct unmoderated the as well

>

> in this one whom i can't remove from unmoderated ones are who had

issues with many people not just in this group other groups

>

> JYOTISH IS SACRED NO individual is higher than the subject

>

> similarly when some questions the very pillars of the subject we do

defend them with the sacredness they deserve. and for anyone countering

them have to be patient in proving them otherwise

>

> even today morn I had sent a mail before going out that NOTABLE

HOROSCOPE TALKS of different famous people and limits its content on

each case to the area of their status/fame no where is other issues

mentioned like soblings, family additions, deaths, change in financial

status it is just brief so can we say they did not know them?

>

> the msg also said Gandhi had 13 siblings, 5 childreen etc which are

also not covered in the analysis of chart, these r public facts so it is

possible to add them for analysis no one writes a book that is fairly

specific in nature as the title goes and gives ASTRO BIOGRAPHIES

>

> and who are we to judge them to say they did not know so they did not

cover it.

>

> I approved all msgs that were even abusing me in some level some r

beyond th elevel to pass. seniors here have from time to time seen and

expressed their views frankly on this even when I faltered without any

hesitation they have added value to the forum by also sharing the

responsibilities of maintain the subject.

>

> there r many messages on the thread of birth time of swami vivekanand

here where ppl have differed or aded their bit to it. and like me accept

the situation that it can approximate in many celebrities cases.

>

> and that his chart is not as important in todays world today as well.

>

> i treat messages

>

> 71585 amd 71588 the same way there is a role we perform as fairly as

possible.

>

> best wishes

>

> - G B Prashant Kumar

>

February 16, 2010

May I suggest that the three of you gentlemen, namely Prashant Kumar G B and

Utkal Panigrahi and Lalit Misra (if involved), take this very obviously

*personal* fight offline or privately and resolve this like wise astrologers

that we all claim to be -- should?

Kids are watching these antics of older people!!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> ...

> In this by Lalit Misra renaming himself to Utkal panigrahi remove his history

or his own conduct in the same name by example is his choice, and what public

will see, analyse along with the arguements he puts accross.

> ...<irrelevant material for this posting removed!Q?

February 16, 2010

Dear RRji,

this we have done fairly successfully in many cases in the past 20 months

atleast, and have been doing it also in this case suddenly this MAN LALIT MISRA

who also uses Utkal Panigrahi [claims the whole world knows about it when i

noticed and asked if he was same person] started sending the same stuff to the

grp and many which were tolerable sent them and a couple DID NOT APPROVE HAVE

SAID SO IN PUBLIC and resorted to it, he had sent a stronger abusive, false mail

to tanvir ji, a cc to me, grp well tanvir has seen it and what is best in the

given context we have and if it persits surely will not approve any more of

them.

did u find anything PERSONAL in abuse from me, all i said repeatedly was just

becauses the works did not contain a ASTRO-BIOGRAPHY ON ANY CASE LEAVE ALONE

SWAMI VIVEKANAND' ji we can't and should not jump to the conclusion they did not

know and I KNOW ALL.

THAT IS ALL- THAT TOO FROM THE GOD...

both swami vivekananda and raman ji have contributed heavily to the India

heritage and given it a extension or fresh lease of life for a couple of

centuries max. There can;t be similar people again.

our value systems culture have changed even if god came in today we will dismiss

him as communal. that is what we have been taught all native things r communal.

PRASHANT

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Tue, February 16, 2010 7:17:02 PM

Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART.

May I suggest that the three of you gentlemen, namely Prashant Kumar G B and

Utkal Panigrahi and Lalit Misra (if involved), take this very obviously

*personal* fight offline or privately and resolve this like wise astrologers

that we all claim to be -- should?

Kids are watching these antics of older people!!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> ...

> In this by Lalit Misra renaming himself to Utkal panigrahi remove his history

or his own conduct in the same name by example is his choice, and what public

will see, analyse along with the arguements he puts accross.

> ...<irrelevant material for this posting removed!Q?

February 16, 2010

Dear Sir,

" Personal " does not imply only when abusive language or behaviour are utilized,

although such does occur and has occured very recently on THIS forum and it took

several hours, nearly 2 days for administrators to muzzle such behaviour and

expressions! But let us leave that aside!

Personal can also mean if two people or more are going on and on about

something without making any progress in terms of logical progression or towards

resolution of the matter at hand. And please do not feel that I am blaming you

or others concerned.

I am all in favour of a stimulating discussion for it gets the blood flowing in

some, but this discussion about Vivekananda and Raman is now beginning to sound

and seem like a car stuck in mud. Lot of noise and spinning of wheels, and

clouds of dust, but the car remains stuck where it was.

As to Vivekananda or for that matter even Sri B.V. Raman. Neither of these fine

souls need the support, justification or defence of puny individuals like us

all.

Even if someone figures out the most accurate time of Swamiji's birth and

demonstrates the concordance with his detailed life and achievements, what good

will that do to most of us here?

Are we going to ever in our lifetime run into the horoscope of another

Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Akbar, even Alexander, let alone Sri Rama or Lord Sri

Krishna?

I suggest that we use our limited capacities on horoscopes that come across our

desks, instead. Once again, it is not that we are not based on all these

readings that are given by you -- Kumarjee, by Krishnanjee, Shenoy jee and

others, but those are what we should focus on and in doing so hopefully help

some real people and not spend time figuring out Swamiji's horoscope which will

neither help us, nor would he care. When he arrived, the Indian mind-set was at

a fatalistic low, discouraged, made servile by foreign rule and ineffective

indigenous leadership and so he debunked astrology which he probably saw as a

social opiate that was not helping neither the individual nor the society at

large!

Times are different now ...!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear RRji,

>

> this we have done fairly successfully in many cases in the past 20 months

atleast, and have been doing it also in this case suddenly this MAN LALIT MISRA

who also uses Utkal Panigrahi [claims the whole world knows about it when i

noticed and asked if he was same person] started sending the same stuff to the

grp and many which were tolerable sent them and a couple DID NOT APPROVE HAVE

SAID SO IN PUBLIC and resorted to it, he had sent a stronger abusive, false mail

to tanvir ji, a cc to me, grp well tanvir has seen it and what is best in the

given context we have and if it persits surely will not approve any more of

them.

>

> did u find anything PERSONAL in abuse from me, all i said repeatedly was just

becauses the works did not contain a ASTRO-BIOGRAPHY ON ANY CASE LEAVE ALONE

SWAMI VIVEKANAND' ji we can't and should not jump to the conclusion they did not

know and I KNOW ALL.

> THAT IS ALL- THAT TOO FROM THE GOD...

>

> both swami vivekananda and raman ji have contributed heavily to the India

heritage and given it a extension or fresh lease of life for a couple of

centuries max. There can;t be similar people again.

> our value systems culture have changed even if god came in today we will

dismiss him as communal. that is what we have been taught all native things r

communal.

>

> PRASHANT

>

> - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

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>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Tue, February 16, 2010 7:17:02 PM

> Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART.

>

> May I suggest that the three of you gentlemen, namely Prashant Kumar G B and

Utkal Panigrahi and Lalit Misra (if involved), take this very obviously

*personal* fight offline or privately and resolve this like wise astrologers

that we all claim to be -- should?

>

> Kids are watching these antics of older people!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > ...

> > In this by Lalit Misra renaming himself to Utkal panigrahi remove his

history or his own conduct in the same name by example is his choice, and what

public will see, analyse along with the arguements he puts accross.

>

> > ...<irrelevant material for this posting removed!Q?

>

February 16, 2010

Dear RRji

that was exactly my point as well

1 that chart is no longer likely to be seen

2, the ppl who come to astrologers r more of the dusthana sambanditha or

badhitha whatever be ones stand.

3. while reading or improving upone anyones reading one can say clealry what one

feels rather than put doewn others esp the big ones who kept the light of

Jyotish alive for us to even debate.

4. swamiji has given both views in different speeches in the context on

astrology for and against is how the education sustem we have enslaved us has

let one side alone prevail.

5. surely we want a good discussion purely on content esp current lives, ones

who appear here and I HAD GIVEN ENOGH ROOM TO EVERYONE never judged anyone, as

it is public space it can decide for itself

many critised me for allowing Members like Anup < Nikit, Lalit, gaurav Vinay ji

etc the space I said to them we r no one to judge anyone and time will tell

people with metle will be seen and recognised, sought after others will fade

away.

thanks

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Tue, February 16, 2010 11:12:38 PM