Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Lalit/utkal, Jyotish principles will manifest itself during a serious or live situation, one of the principles in it is not to look at dead natives chart also when we use the term VEDIC Jyotishya.the academic study that the western education has given us has its limitation w.r.t Karmic scale. it is a wlecome one that helps us understand andexplain the sceptics but can never be applied as a benchmark for same Karmic flows that happen in live situations ... as the Karma of the native will allow the astrologer to see and predict of such individuals or if destined not to be told will not be either. e.g. in mid 80's I used to attend a few astrological group meetings one of them held at Theophisical society, Madras the then Secy to the governor had given a chart of a small boy who was one of the passengers in a bus en-route to Tirumala hills to see Lord Venkteswara [balaji] the bus had a slip and crashed into the side walls despite railings before the walls and was perched on a single wheel on a deep ravine. but were saved after an hr by a rescue team all of them so the horoscopes of many fellow passengers were collected as a case study as without a punya jivi amoung them it could not happen u also see charts of some ppl who die in company of a large people, one bad element can do that as well. when this person [secy] had opined of a boy amidst them that he is a Karna jeevi and a blessed soul, rulers, businessmen , high and mighty will visit and honour him, he was just 4 yrs old then a few yrs later the head of Kanchi kamakotipeetham (sri chandra shekar sarasvathi or periavar] had as their practice picked their next in line by their divine search methods and this was the boy now known as Sri VIJENDRA SARASWATI, at that time the head already had a successor [ Sri Jayendra sarasvati] the successor's successor is the boy and as is the norm the latest one is the head others r ELDERS of the mutt, though will still be revered as sankaracharyas, mutt heads the puja rituals the youngest will preside 1st. so are the cases of such people predicted and no one can change the potential of the wisdom that has to flow from such great people with our without astrology but astrology has surely identified him, when this episode was told in the gathering the boy was just 9 or 10 yrs old was chosen as mutt head at 8 yrs if i recall right. we do hear similar practices among the Dalai Lamas also thanks -G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Wed, February 17, 2010 12:40:49 AM Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART. Rohini Ji, // I suggest that we use our limited capacities on horoscopes that come across our desks, instead. Once again, it is not that we are not based on all these readings that are given by you -- Kumarjee, by Krishnanjee, Shenoy jee and others, but those are what we should focus on and in doing so hopefully help some real people and not spend time figuring out Swamiji's horoscope which will neither help us, nor would he care. When he arrived, the Indian mind-set was at a fatalistic low, discouraged, made servile by foreign rule and ineffective indigenous leadership and so he debunked astrology which he probably saw as a social opiate that was not helping neither the individual nor the society at large! // Still there is no change in the mindset of Indians, it's still low, time is not changed so much, otherwise astrologers w'd have applied Swami Ji's teaching in order to find out true birth time and lagna as a means of shradhanjali to him. If Jyotish is not used for discovery of truth, what's the use of it? Utkal. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > " Personal " does not imply only when abusive language or behaviour are utilized, although such does occur and has occured very recently on THIS forum and it took several hours, nearly 2 days for administrators to muzzle such behaviour and expressions! But let us leave that aside! > > Personal can also mean if two people or more are going on and on about something without making any progress in terms of logical progression or towards resolution of the matter at hand. And please do not feel that I am blaming you or others concerned. > > I am all in favour of a stimulating discussion for it gets the blood flowing in some, but this discussion about Vivekananda and Raman is now beginning to sound and seem like a car stuck in mud. Lot of noise and spinning of wheels, and clouds of dust, but the car remains stuck where it was. > > As to Vivekananda or for that matter even Sri B.V. Raman. Neither of these fine souls need the support, justification or defence of puny individuals like us all. > > Even if someone figures out the most accurate time of Swamiji's birth and demonstrates the concordance with his detailed life and achievements, what good will that do to most of us here? > > Are we going to ever in our lifetime run into the horoscope of another Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Akbar, even Alexander, let alone Sri Rama or Lord Sri Krishna? > > I suggest that we use our limited capacities on horoscopes that come across our desks, instead. Once again, it is not that we are not based on all these readings that are given by you -- Kumarjee, by Krishnanjee, Shenoy jee and others, but those are what we should focus on and in doing so hopefully help some real people and not spend time figuring out Swamiji's horoscope which will neither help us, nor would he care. When he arrived, the Indian mind-set was at a fatalistic low, discouraged, made servile by foreign rule and ineffective indigenous leadership and so he debunked astrology which he probably saw as a social opiate that was not helping neither the individual nor the society at large! > > Times are different now ...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@ wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > this we have done fairly successfully in many cases in the past 20 months atleast, and have been doing it also in this case suddenly this MAN LALIT MISRA who also uses Utkal Panigrahi [claims the whole world knows about it when i noticed and asked if he was same person] started sending the same stuff to the grp and many which were tolerable sent them and a couple DID NOT APPROVE HAVE SAID SO IN PUBLIC and resorted to it, he had sent a stronger abusive, false mail to tanvir ji, a cc to me, grp well tanvir has seen it and what is best in the given context we have and if it persits surely will not approve any more of them. > > > > did u find anything PERSONAL in abuse from me, all i said repeatedly was just becauses the works did not contain a ASTRO-BIOGRAPHY ON ANY CASE LEAVE ALONE SWAMI VIVEKANAND' ji we can't and should not jump to the conclusion they did not know and I KNOW ALL. > > THAT IS ALL- THAT TOO FROM THE GOD... > > > > > > both swami vivekananda and raman ji have contributed heavily to the India heritage and given it a extension or fresh lease of life for a couple of centuries max. There can;t be similar people again. > > our value systems culture have changed even if god came in today we will dismiss him as communal. that is what we have been taught all native things r communal. > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow \ s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > Tue, February 16, 2010 7:17:02 PM > > Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART. > > > > > > May I suggest that the three of you gentlemen, namely Prashant Kumar G B and Utkal Panigrahi and Lalit Misra (if involved), take this very obviously *personal* fight offline or privately and resolve this like wise astrologers that we all claim to be -- should? > > > > Kids are watching these antics of older people!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > In this by Lalit Misra renaming himself to Utkal panigrahi remove his history or his own conduct in the same name by example is his choice, and what public will see, analyse along with the arguements he puts accross. > > > > > ...<irrelevant material for this posting removed!Q? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 GB, You are wrong every point, Can you answer why BV Raman, KN Rao, PV Narsimha has analyzed Saints chart ? Utkal. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Lalit/utkal, > > Jyotish principles will manifest itself during a serious or live situation, one of the principles in it is not to look at dead natives chart also when we use the term VEDIC Jyotishya.the academic study that the western education has given us has its limitation w.r.t Karmic scale. it is a wlecome one that helps us understand andexplain the sceptics but can never be applied as a benchmark for same Karmic flows that happen in live situations ... > > as the Karma of the native will allow the astrologer to see and predict of such individuals or if destined not to be told will not be either. > > e.g. in mid 80's I used to attend a few astrological group meetings one of them held at Theophisical society, Madras the then Secy to the governor had given a chart of a small boy > > who was one of the passengers in a bus en-route to Tirumala hills to see Lord Venkteswara [balaji] the bus had a slip and crashed into the side walls despite railings before the walls and was perched on a single wheel on a deep ravine. but were saved after an hr by a rescue team all of them > > so the horoscopes of many fellow passengers were collected as a case study as without a punya jivi amoung them it could not happen u also see charts of some ppl who die in company of a large people, one bad element can do that as well. > > when this person [secy] had opined of a boy amidst them that he is a Karna jeevi and a blessed soul, rulers, businessmen , high and mighty will visit and honour him, he was just 4 yrs old then > > a few yrs later the head of Kanchi kamakotipeetham (sri chandra shekar sarasvathi or periavar] had as their practice picked their next in line by their divine search methods and this was the boy now known as Sri VIJENDRA SARASWATI, at that time the head already had a successor [ Sri Jayendra sarasvati] the successor's successor is the boy and as is the norm the latest one is the head others r ELDERS of the mutt, though will still be revered as sankaracharyas, mutt heads the puja rituals the youngest will preside 1st. > > so are the cases of such people predicted and no one can change the potential of the wisdom that has to flow from such great people with our without astrology but astrology has surely identified him, when this episode was told in the gathering the boy was just 9 or 10 yrs old was chosen as mutt head at 8 yrs if i recall right. > > we do hear similar practices among the Dalai Lamas also > > thanks > > -G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi > > Wed, February 17, 2010 12:40:49 AM > Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART. > > > Rohini Ji, > > // > > I suggest that we use our limited capacities on horoscopes that come > across our > desks, instead. Once again, it is not that we are not based on all these > readings that are given by you -- Kumarjee, by Krishnanjee, Shenoy jee > and > others, but those are what we should focus on and in doing so hopefully > help > some real people and not spend time figuring out Swamiji's horoscope > which will > neither help us, nor would he care. When he arrived, the Indian mind-set > was at > a fatalistic low, discouraged, made servile by foreign rule and > ineffective > indigenous leadership and so he debunked astrology which he probably saw > as a > social opiate that was not helping neither the individual nor the > society at > large! > > // > > Still there is no change in the mindset of Indians, it's still low, time > is not changed so much, otherwise astrologers w'd have applied Swami > Ji's teaching in order to find out true birth time and lagna as a means > of shradhanjali to him. > > If Jyotish is not used for discovery of truth, what's the use of it? > > Utkal. > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > " Personal " does not imply only when abusive language or behaviour are > utilized, although such does occur and has occured very recently on THIS > forum and it took several hours, nearly 2 days for administrators to > muzzle such behaviour and expressions! But let us leave that aside! > > > > Personal can also mean if two people or more are going on and on about > something without making any progress in terms of logical progression or > towards resolution of the matter at hand. And please do not feel that I > am blaming you or others concerned. > > > > I am all in favour of a stimulating discussion for it gets the blood > flowing in some, but this discussion about Vivekananda and Raman is now > beginning to sound and seem like a car stuck in mud. Lot of noise and > spinning of wheels, and clouds of dust, but the car remains stuck where > it was. > > > > As to Vivekananda or for that matter even Sri B.V. Raman. Neither of > these fine souls need the support, justification or defence of puny > individuals like us all. > > > > Even if someone figures out the most accurate time of Swamiji's birth > and demonstrates the concordance with his detailed life and > achievements, what good will that do to most of us here? > > > > Are we going to ever in our lifetime run into the horoscope of another > Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Akbar, even Alexander, let alone Sri Rama or > Lord Sri Krishna? > > > > I suggest that we use our limited capacities on horoscopes that come > across our desks, instead. Once again, it is not that we are not based > on all these readings that are given by you -- Kumarjee, by Krishnanjee, > Shenoy jee and others, but those are what we should focus on and in > doing so hopefully help some real people and not spend time figuring out > Swamiji's horoscope which will neither help us, nor would he care. When > he arrived, the Indian mind-set was at a fatalistic low, discouraged, > made servile by foreign rule and ineffective indigenous leadership and > so he debunked astrology which he probably saw as a social opiate that > was not helping neither the individual nor the society at large! > > > > Times are different now ...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > this we have done fairly successfully in many cases in the past 20 > months atleast, and have been doing it also in this case suddenly this > MAN LALIT MISRA who also uses Utkal Panigrahi [claims the whole world > knows about it when i noticed and asked if he was same person] started > sending the same stuff to the grp and many which were tolerable sent > them and a couple DID NOT APPROVE HAVE SAID SO IN PUBLIC and resorted to > it, he had sent a stronger abusive, false mail to tanvir ji, a cc to me, > grp well tanvir has seen it and what is best in the given context we > have and if it persits surely will not approve any more of them. > > > > > > did u find anything PERSONAL in abuse from me, all i said repeatedly > was just becauses the works did not contain a ASTRO-BIOGRAPHY ON ANY > CASE LEAVE ALONE SWAMI VIVEKANAND' ji we can't and should not jump to > the conclusion they did not know and I KNOW ALL. > > > THAT IS ALL- THAT TOO FROM THE GOD... > > > > > > > > > both swami vivekananda and raman ji have contributed heavily to the > India heritage and given it a extension or fresh lease of life for a > couple of centuries max. There can;t be similar people again. > > > our value systems culture have changed even if god came in today we > will dismiss him as communal. that is what we have been taught all > native things r communal. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow \ > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > Tue, February 16, 2010 7:17:02 PM > > > Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART. > > > > > > > > > May I suggest that the three of you gentlemen, namely Prashant Kumar > G B and Utkal Panigrahi and Lalit Misra (if involved), take this very > obviously *personal* fight offline or privately and resolve this like > wise astrologers that we all claim to be -- should? > > > > > > Kids are watching these antics of older people!! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > In this by Lalit Misra renaming himself to Utkal panigrahi remove > his history or his own conduct in the same name by example is his > choice, and what public will see, analyse along with the arguements he > puts accross. > > > > > > > ...<irrelevant material for this posting removed!Q? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Lalit, well all of themread the data as given did not alter, tinker with the given times of such ppl but have worked on other famous ppl's csaes in detail and IN Many OF THESE CASES THEY HAVE MET these saints for this u can read KNR's articles , books whom all he met, so too raman jis my experiments with astrology.... Well I come for a Guru0shishya parampara and my guru has had many such opporunities to meet various mutt heads and discuss such charts THERE IS THE rules said above also NAdhi moolam, rishi moolam r not to be probed if u get it it is fine, these r not my insertions but u can find them if u have any elders inthe family around as well. and elements... groups are witness to them v few can miss the regularity of attacks on several ppl. by select ppl I don't have to defend myself but do defend ppl who r attacked [raman ji, swami vivekananda etc if u see my past posts] just as i said when apart from ur group others had a problem with u, U were given more space though it hurt me more.I gave Jytoish a good chance whoever it be rest is what they become. - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Wed, February 17, 2010 11:58:07 AM Re: CHARTs of saintly figures... 17/2 GB, You are wrong every point, Can you answer why BV Raman, KN Rao, PV Narsimha has analyzed Saints chart ? Utkal. , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Lalit/utkal, > > Jyotish principles will manifest itself during a serious or live situation, one of the principles in it is not to look at dead natives chart also when we use the term VEDIC Jyotishya.the academic study that the western education has given us has its limitation w.r.t Karmic scale. it is a wlecome one that helps us understand andexplain the sceptics but can never be applied as a benchmark for same Karmic flows that happen in live situations ... > > as the Karma of the native will allow the astrologer to see and predict of such individuals or if destined not to be told will not be either. > > e.g. in mid 80's I used to attend a few astrological group meetings one of them held at Theophisical society, Madras the then Secy to the governor had given a chart of a small boy > > who was one of the passengers in a bus en-route to Tirumala hills to see Lord Venkteswara [balaji] the bus had a slip and crashed into the side walls despite railings before the walls and was perched on a single wheel on a deep ravine. but were saved after an hr by a rescue team all of them > > so the horoscopes of many fellow passengers were collected as a case study as without a punya jivi amoung them it could not happen u also see charts of some ppl who die in company of a large people, one bad element can do that as well. > > when this person [secy] had opined of a boy amidst them that he is a Karna jeevi and a blessed soul, rulers, businessmen , high and mighty will visit and honour him, he was just 4 yrs old then > > a few yrs later the head of Kanchi kamakotipeetham (sri chandra shekar sarasvathi or periavar] had as their practice picked their next in line by their divine search methods and this was the boy now known as Sri VIJENDRA SARASWATI, at that time the head already had a successor [ Sri Jayendra sarasvati] the successor's successor is the boy and as is the norm the latest one is the head others r ELDERS of the mutt, though will still be revered as sankaracharyas, mutt heads the puja rituals the youngest will preside 1st. > > so are the cases of such people predicted and no one can change the potential of the wisdom that has to flow from such great people with our without astrology but astrology has surely identified him, when this episode was told in the gathering the boy was just 9 or 10 yrs old was chosen as mutt head at 8 yrs if i recall right. > > we do hear similar practices among the Dalai Lamas also > > thanks > > -G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > > Wed, February 17, 2010 12:40:49 AM > Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART. > > > Rohini Ji, > > // > > I suggest that we use our limited capacities on horoscopes that come > across our > desks, instead. Once again, it is not that we are not based on all these > readings that are given by you -- Kumarjee, by Krishnanjee, Shenoy jee > and > others, but those are what we should focus on and in doing so hopefully > help > some real people and not spend time figuring out Swamiji's horoscope > which will > neither help us, nor would he care. When he arrived, the Indian mind-set > was at > a fatalistic low, discouraged, made servile by foreign rule and > ineffective > indigenous leadership and so he debunked astrology which he probably saw > as a > social opiate that was not helping neither the individual nor the > society at > large! > > // > > Still there is no change in the mindset of Indians, it's still low, time > is not changed so much, otherwise astrologers w'd have applied Swami > Ji's teaching in order to find out true birth time and lagna as a means > of shradhanjali to him. > > If Jyotish is not used for discovery of truth, what's the use of it? > > Utkal. > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > " Personal " does not imply only when abusive language or behaviour are > utilized, although such does occur and has occured very recently on THIS > forum and it took several hours, nearly 2 days for administrators to > muzzle such behaviour and expressions! But let us leave that aside! > > > > Personal can also mean if two people or more are going on and on about > something without making any progress in terms of logical progression or > towards resolution of the matter at hand. And please do not feel that I > am blaming you or others concerned. > > > > I am all in favour of a stimulating discussion for it gets the blood > flowing in some, but this discussion about Vivekananda and Raman is now > beginning to sound and seem like a car stuck in mud. Lot of noise and > spinning of wheels, and clouds of dust, but the car remains stuck where > it was. > > > > As to Vivekananda or for that matter even Sri B.V. Raman. Neither of > these fine souls need the support, justification or defence of puny > individuals like us all. > > > > Even if someone figures out the most accurate time of Swamiji's birth > and demonstrates the concordance with his detailed life and > achievements, what good will that do to most of us here? > > > > Are we going to ever in our lifetime run into the horoscope of another > Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, Akbar, even Alexander, let alone Sri Rama or > Lord Sri Krishna? > > > > I suggest that we use our limited capacities on horoscopes that come > across our desks, instead. Once again, it is not that we are not based > on all these readings that are given by you -- Kumarjee, by Krishnanjee, > Shenoy jee and others, but those are what we should focus on and in > doing so hopefully help some real people and not spend time figuring out > Swamiji's horoscope which will neither help us, nor would he care. When > he arrived, the Indian mind-set was at a fatalistic low, discouraged, > made servile by foreign rule and ineffective indigenous leadership and > so he debunked astrology which he probably saw as a social opiate that > was not helping neither the individual nor the society at large! > > > > Times are different now ...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, > > > > > > this we have done fairly successfully in many cases in the past 20 > months atleast, and have been doing it also in this case suddenly this > MAN LALIT MISRA who also uses Utkal Panigrahi [claims the whole world > knows about it when i noticed and asked if he was same person] started > sending the same stuff to the grp and many which were tolerable sent > them and a couple DID NOT APPROVE HAVE SAID SO IN PUBLIC and resorted to > it, he had sent a stronger abusive, false mail to tanvir ji, a cc to me, > grp well tanvir has seen it and what is best in the given context we > have and if it persits surely will not approve any more of them. > > > > > > did u find anything PERSONAL in abuse from me, all i said repeatedly > was just becauses the works did not contain a ASTRO-BIOGRAPHY ON ANY > CASE LEAVE ALONE SWAMI VIVEKANAND' ji we can't and should not jump to > the conclusion they did not know and I KNOW ALL. > > > THAT IS ALL- THAT TOO FROM THE GOD... > > > > > > > > > both swami vivekananda and raman ji have contributed heavily to the > India heritage and given it a extension or fresh lease of life for a > couple of centuries max. There can;t be similar people again. > > > our value systems culture have changed even if god came in today we > will dismiss him as communal. that is what we have been taught all > native things r communal. > > > > > > PRASHANT > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow \ > s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > Tue, February 16, 2010 7:17:02 PM > > > Re: Msg 71709-71712 - approved 16/2- SV CHART. > > > > > > > > > May I suggest that the three of you gentlemen, namely Prashant Kumar > G B and Utkal Panigrahi and Lalit Misra (if involved), take this very > obviously *personal* fight offline or privately and resolve this like > wise astrologers that we all claim to be -- should? > > > > > > Kids are watching these antics of older people!! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > In this by Lalit Misra renaming himself to Utkal panigrahi remove > his history or his own conduct in the same name by example is his > choice, and what public will see, analyse along with the arguements he > puts accross. > > > > > > > ...<irrelevant material for this posting removed!Q? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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