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Dear Guru's

 

My Husband and me needed to know when can we have children, I'm trying to

conceive but was unsuccessful 2 times and also consulting a doctor for the

same

Please Advice some pariharam

Its really urgent

 

We need help out details are as follows :

 

*Husband : *

 

Name : Ritesh R Ginwala

Time : 02 hrs 26 min

Date : 08-12-1977

Place : Dabhoi , Baroda, India

Nakshtra : Swati

 

*Mine:*

 

Name: Natasha. Ritesh Ginwala

Time: 10 hrs 00 min

24-11-1984

Place: Mumbai

Nakshatra : Jyeshtha

 

I've been reading this group mails from sometime now, im really impressed by

the help which is offered

 

Thanks in Advance,

 

*Regards,*

*Natasha R Ginwala*

 

 

 

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Natasha Ji,

Recently you have obtained advice for this problem.Many senior members too have

given their views,Considering the medical issues,have you briefed the

position,the remedies part could have been more pertinent to follow.Some up

dates like when did you last have miscarraige etc would only take us to some

understandable opinion.Your horoscope is made out and seen by the group with he

same question and the way .

Putra yoga in this chart is weak.yet before end 2013 with jupiter transiting to

pisces after 2011 ,there will be hopes for your pregnancy.

Did you seek medical opinion for your husband.Beel karak Venusin anuradha ruled

by saturn has also delayed children.

Your husband moon in 8th in Rahu nakshtram indicates active sperms have very

less duration of motility and the impregnation of ovum is not taking place

properly.Aid of Doctors and strengthening spermatozoa will be necessary.In case

you have already taken any fertility treatment,please observe remedies to fulfil

the wish as suggested.

 Currently your husband is running dasa of saturn.Chances for your conception r

bright after April2011 in the antar jupiter.Lagna lord in natal chart as well

10th lord,both kendras lors is jupiter is in the mithuna ruled by the nakshtra

of mrigasira with Mangal as as the nakshtra lord.Mangal lord of 9th ,trikona and

bahagyesh is in putrasthana in debilitation.Remedies have to be performed.It is

good if Nagapratishta with the help of local priest is performed.performing Ketu

japam too is suggested in Nvagrah temple.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro wrote:

 

Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro

Urgent Advice required regarding children

 

Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Guru's

 

 

 

My Husband and me needed to know when can we have children, I'm trying to

 

conceive but was unsuccessful 2 times and also consulting a doctor for the

 

same

 

Please Advice some pariharam

 

Its really urgent

 

 

 

We need help out details are as follows :

 

 

 

*Husband : *

 

 

 

Name : Ritesh R Ginwala

 

Time : 02 hrs 26 min

 

Date : 08-12-1977

 

Place : Dabhoi , Baroda, India

 

Nakshtra : Swati

 

 

 

*Mine:*

 

 

 

Name: Natasha. Ritesh Ginwala

 

Time: 10 hrs 00 min

 

24-11-1984

 

Place: Mumbai

 

Nakshatra : Jyeshtha

 

 

 

I've been reading this group mails from sometime now, im really impressed by

 

the help which is offered

 

 

 

Thanks in Advance,

 

 

 

*Regards,*

 

*Natasha R Ginwala*

 

 

 

 

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Dear Natasha,

 

There is influence of slow moving Saturn to the 5th / 9th house.

 

The influence of slow moving planets to the relevant houses delays the

fruitification of those houses.

 

There is a very good probability that you shall have good news around 20-8-2010

& 31-05-2011.

 

In your husbands chart, Jupiter - Santhana Karaka is retrograde & aspecting the

mercury. They are in Parivarthana also.

 

Considering the above, both of you may recite Vishnu Saharanama & Santhana

Gopala Stotra daily with devotion.

 

 

Sun + Moon + Ketu + Gulika in the 12th. Looks like doctors have not diagnosed

the problem correctly - consult another doctor. Looks like a lot of expenditure

..

 

Their dispositor Mars in the 2nd house & 2nd lord in the 11nth aspecting the

Lagna - Do you any pending unfulfilled offerings to a Kali Temple? (trying to

understand what it could be)

 

The remedy to the above affliction is daana. But unless its nature is properly

established, there is no point in starting goose chase.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro

 

Wed, February 17, 2010 1:32:37 PM

Urgent Advice required regarding children

 

 

Dear Guru's

 

My Husband and me needed to know when can we have children, I'm trying to

conceive but was unsuccessful 2 times and also consulting a doctor for the

same

Please Advice some pariharam

Its really urgent

 

We need help out details are as follows :

 

*Husband : *

 

Name : Ritesh R Ginwala

Time : 02 hrs 26 min

Date : 08-12-1977

Place : Dabhoi , Baroda, India

Nakshtra : Swati

 

*Mine:*

 

Name: Natasha. Ritesh Ginwala

Time: 10 hrs 00 min

24-11-1984

Place: Mumbai

Nakshatra : Jyeshtha

 

I've been reading this group mails from sometime now, im really impressed by

the help which is offered

 

Thanks in Advance,

 

*Regards,*

*Natasha R Ginwala*

 

 

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Krishnan Ji,

 

I've never had a misscarriage but im taking a treatment from my gynacologist

from past 2 month and have failed to concieve, I had the problem of

irregular menstrual cycle since 2006

 

Suresh ji,

As far as i remember i had vowed to kuladevi from my mother's side that when

our debts will be over i will come and drop a bunch of 1Re coins in the

hundi which i have tied in a red cloth and have it in my house now,

But we are still not out of my debts so hence we haven't put the money in

the hundi

can you throw some light on this

 

Thanks & Regards,

Natasha R Ginwala

 

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99wrote:

 

>

>

> Natasha Ji,

> Recently you have obtained advice for this problem.Many senior members too

> have given their views,Considering the medical issues,have you briefed the

> position,the remedies part could have been more pertinent to follow.Some up

> dates like when did you last have miscarraige etc would only take us to some

> understandable opinion.Your horoscope is made out and seen by the group with

> he same question and the way .

> Putra yoga in this chart is weak.yet before end 2013 with jupiter

> transiting to pisces after 2011 ,there will be hopes for your pregnancy.

> Did you seek medical opinion for your husband.Beel karak Venusin anuradha

> ruled by saturn has also delayed children.

> Your husband moon in 8th in Rahu nakshtram indicates active sperms have

> very less duration of motility and the impregnation of ovum is not taking

> place properly.Aid of Doctors and strengthening spermatozoa will be

> necessary.In case you have already taken any fertility treatment,please

> observe remedies to fulfil the wish as suggested.

> Currently your husband is running dasa of saturn.Chances for your

> conception r bright after April2011 in the antar jupiter.Lagna lord in natal

> chart as well 10th lord,both kendras lors is jupiter is in the mithuna ruled

> by the nakshtra of mrigasira with Mangal as as the nakshtra lord.Mangal lord

> of 9th ,trikona and bahagyesh is in putrasthana in debilitation.Remedies

> have to be performed.It is good if Nagapratishta with the help of local

> priest is performed.performing Ketu japam too is suggested in Nvagrah

> temple.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control

> Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

>

> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Natasha R Ginwala

<natashaastro<natashaastro%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro <natashaastro%40gmail.com>

> >

> Urgent Advice required regarding children

> <%40>

> Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:02 AM

>

>

>

>

> Dear Guru's

>

> My Husband and me needed to know when can we have children, I'm trying to

>

> conceive but was unsuccessful 2 times and also consulting a doctor for the

>

> same

>

> Please Advice some pariharam

>

> Its really urgent

>

> We need help out details are as follows :

>

> *Husband : *

>

> Name : Ritesh R Ginwala

>

> Time : 02 hrs 26 min

>

> Date : 08-12-1977

>

> Place : Dabhoi , Baroda, India

>

> Nakshtra : Swati

>

> *Mine:*

>

> Name: Natasha. Ritesh Ginwala

>

> Time: 10 hrs 00 min

>

> 24-11-1984

>

> Place: Mumbai

>

> Nakshatra : Jyeshtha

>

> I've been reading this group mails from sometime now, im really impressed

> by

>

> the help which is offered

>

> Thanks in Advance,

>

> *Regards,*

>

> *Natasha R Ginwala*

>

>

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Dear Natasha,

 

These things doesn't work as we think. The way I see it, you are in debt to the

deity by keeping that money at home. It is possible that you thought of this

offering at the behest of that deity itself. Being in the 12th, it is not just a

relationship caused from the mother's side but from your own previous life.

Hence I would suggest you to immediately go there and fulfill that vow. Add a

few more coins as prayaschitha and make the offering on a plate along with

flowers, Karpura, bettle leaves & nut , a bunch of banana. Then you can put the

coins in the hundi.

 

I had suggested to recite Vishnu Sahasranama sensing this problem also (debts).

If you can recite mahalakshmi stora or Laxmi hridaya(a bit long) also.

 

In the morning after the bath, go outside the house, and looking at the sun

recite adithya stuthy and in the end offer water as arghya with " savitha surya

narayanaaya arghyam samarpayammi " . Do this daily.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

, Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro

wrote:

>

> Krishnan Ji,

>

> I've never had a misscarriage but im taking a treatment from my gynacologist

> from past 2 month and have failed to concieve, I had the problem of

> irregular menstrual cycle since 2006

>

> Suresh ji,

> As far as i remember i had vowed to kuladevi from my mother's side that when

> our debts will be over i will come and drop a bunch of 1Re coins in the

> hundi which i have tied in a red cloth and have it in my house now,

> But we are still not out of my debts so hence we haven't put the money in

> the hundi

> can you throw some light on this

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Natasha R Ginwala

>

> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Natasha Ji,

> > Recently you have obtained advice for this problem.Many senior members too

> > have given their views,Considering the medical issues,have you briefed the

> > position,the remedies part could have been more pertinent to follow.Some up

> > dates like when did you last have miscarraige etc would only take us to some

> > understandable opinion.Your horoscope is made out and seen by the group with

> > he same question and the way .

> > Putra yoga in this chart is weak.yet before end 2013 with jupiter

> > transiting to pisces after 2011 ,there will be hopes for your pregnancy.

> > Did you seek medical opinion for your husband.Beel karak Venusin anuradha

> > ruled by saturn has also delayed children.

> > Your husband moon in 8th in Rahu nakshtram indicates active sperms have

> > very less duration of motility and the impregnation of ovum is not taking

> > place properly.Aid of Doctors and strengthening spermatozoa will be

> > necessary.In case you have already taken any fertility treatment,please

> > observe remedies to fulfil the wish as suggested.

> > Currently your husband is running dasa of saturn.Chances for your

> > conception r bright after April2011 in the antar jupiter.Lagna lord in natal

> > chart as well 10th lord,both kendras lors is jupiter is in the mithuna ruled

> > by the nakshtra of mrigasira with Mangal as as the nakshtra lord.Mangal lord

> > of 9th ,trikona and bahagyesh is in putrasthana in debilitation.Remedies

> > have to be performed.It is good if Nagapratishta with the help of local

> > priest is performed.performing Ketu japam too is suggested in Nvagrah

> > temple.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control

> > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Natasha R Ginwala

<natashaastro<natashaastro%40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro <natashaastro%40gmail.com>

> > >

> > Urgent Advice required regarding children

> > <%40>

> > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:02 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Guru's

> >

> > My Husband and me needed to know when can we have children, I'm trying to

> >

> > conceive but was unsuccessful 2 times and also consulting a doctor for the

> >

> > same

> >

> > Please Advice some pariharam

> >

> > Its really urgent

> >

> > We need help out details are as follows :

> >

> > *Husband : *

> >

> > Name : Ritesh R Ginwala

> >

> > Time : 02 hrs 26 min

> >

> > Date : 08-12-1977

> >

> > Place : Dabhoi , Baroda, India

> >

> > Nakshtra : Swati

> >

> > *Mine:*

> >

> > Name: Natasha. Ritesh Ginwala

> >

> > Time: 10 hrs 00 min

> >

> > 24-11-1984

> >

> > Place: Mumbai

> >

> > Nakshatra : Jyeshtha

> >

> > I've been reading this group mails from sometime now, im really impressed

> > by

> >

> > the help which is offered

> >

> > Thanks in Advance,

> >

> > *Regards,*

> >

> > *Natasha R Ginwala*

> >

> >

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Thanks a lot sureshji will do as you said

I have already bought english version of vishnu sahasranama

Regards,

Natasha R Ginwala

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuagwrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Natasha,

>

> These things doesn't work as we think. The way I see it, you are in debt to

> the deity by keeping that money at home. It is possible that you thought of

> this offering at the behest of that deity itself. Being in the 12th, it is

> not just a relationship caused from the mother's side but from your own

> previous life. Hence I would suggest you to immediately go there and fulfill

> that vow. Add a few more coins as prayaschitha and make the offering on a

> plate along with flowers, Karpura, bettle leaves & nut , a bunch of banana.

> Then you can put the coins in the hundi.

>

> I had suggested to recite Vishnu Sahasranama sensing this problem also

> (debts). If you can recite mahalakshmi stora or Laxmi hridaya(a bit long)

> also.

>

> In the morning after the bath, go outside the house, and looking at the sun

> recite adithya stuthy and in the end offer water as arghya with " savitha

> surya narayanaaya arghyam samarpayammi " . Do this daily.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

>

> <%40>,

> Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro wrote:

> >

> > Krishnan Ji,

> >

> > I've never had a misscarriage but im taking a treatment from my

> gynacologist

> > from past 2 month and have failed to concieve, I had the problem of

> > irregular menstrual cycle since 2006

> >

> > Suresh ji,

> > As far as i remember i had vowed to kuladevi from my mother's side that

> when

> > our debts will be over i will come and drop a bunch of 1Re coins in the

> > hundi which i have tied in a red cloth and have it in my house now,

> > But we are still not out of my debts so hence we haven't put the money in

> > the hundi

> > can you throw some light on this

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Natasha R Ginwala

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99wrote:

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Natasha Ji,

> > > Recently you have obtained advice for this problem.Many senior members

> too

> > > have given their views,Considering the medical issues,have you briefed

> the

> > > position,the remedies part could have been more pertinent to

> follow.Some up

> > > dates like when did you last have miscarraige etc would only take us to

> some

> > > understandable opinion.Your horoscope is made out and seen by the group

> with

> > > he same question and the way .

> > > Putra yoga in this chart is weak.yet before end 2013 with jupiter

> > > transiting to pisces after 2011 ,there will be hopes for your

> pregnancy.

> > > Did you seek medical opinion for your husband.Beel karak Venusin

> anuradha

> > > ruled by saturn has also delayed children.

> > > Your husband moon in 8th in Rahu nakshtram indicates active sperms have

> > > very less duration of motility and the impregnation of ovum is not

> taking

> > > place properly.Aid of Doctors and strengthening spermatozoa will be

> > > necessary.In case you have already taken any fertility treatment,please

> > > observe remedies to fulfil the wish as suggested.

> > > Currently your husband is running dasa of saturn.Chances for your

> > > conception r bright after April2011 in the antar jupiter.Lagna lord in

> natal

> > > chart as well 10th lord,both kendras lors is jupiter is in the mithuna

> ruled

> > > by the nakshtra of mrigasira with Mangal as as the nakshtra lord.Mangal

> lord

> > > of 9th ,trikona and bahagyesh is in putrasthana in

> debilitation.Remedies

> > > have to be performed.It is good if Nagapratishta with the help of local

> > > priest is performed.performing Ketu japam too is suggested in Nvagrah

> > > temple.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control

> > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro<natashaastro%

> 40gmail.com>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro <natashaastro%40gmail.com>

>

> > > >

> > > Urgent Advice required regarding children

> > > To:

<%40><Jyotish_Rem\

edies%

> 40>

>

> > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:02 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Guru's

> > >

> > > My Husband and me needed to know when can we have children, I'm trying

> to

> > >

> > > conceive but was unsuccessful 2 times and also consulting a doctor for

> the

> > >

> > > same

> > >

> > > Please Advice some pariharam

> > >

> > > Its really urgent

> > >

> > > We need help out details are as follows :

> > >

> > > *Husband : *

> > >

> > > Name : Ritesh R Ginwala

> > >

> > > Time : 02 hrs 26 min

> > >

> > > Date : 08-12-1977

> > >

> > > Place : Dabhoi , Baroda, India

> > >

> > > Nakshtra : Swati

> > >

> > > *Mine:*

> > >

> > > Name: Natasha. Ritesh Ginwala

> > >

> > > Time: 10 hrs 00 min

> > >

> > > 24-11-1984

> > >

> > > Place: Mumbai

> > >

> > > Nakshatra : Jyeshtha

> > >

> > > I've been reading this group mails from sometime now, im really

> impressed

> > > by

> > >

> > > the help which is offered

> > >

> > > Thanks in Advance,

> > >

> > > *Regards,*

> > >

> > > *Natasha R Ginwala*

> > >

> > >

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Thanks a lot sureshji will do as you said

I have already bought english version of vishnu sahasranama

Regards,

Natasha R Ginwala

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuagwrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Natasha,

>

> These things doesn't work as we think. The way I see it, you are in debt to

> the deity by keeping that money at home. It is possible that you thought of

> this offering at the behest of that deity itself. Being in the 12th, it is

> not just a relationship caused from the mother's side but from your own

> previous life. Hence I would suggest you to immediately go there and fulfill

> that vow. Add a few more coins as prayaschitha and make the offering on a

> plate along with flowers, Karpura, bettle leaves & nut , a bunch of banana.

> Then you can put the coins in the hundi.

>

> I had suggested to recite Vishnu Sahasranama sensing this problem also

> (debts). If you can recite mahalakshmi stora or Laxmi hridaya(a bit long)

> also.

>

> In the morning after the bath, go outside the house, and looking at the sun

> recite adithya stuthy and in the end offer water as arghya with " savitha

> surya narayanaaya arghyam samarpayammi " . Do this daily.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

>

> <%40>,

> Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro wrote:

> >

> > Krishnan Ji,

> >

> > I've never had a misscarriage but im taking a treatment from my

> gynacologist

> > from past 2 month and have failed to concieve, I had the problem of

> > irregular menstrual cycle since 2006

> >

> > Suresh ji,

> > As far as i remember i had vowed to kuladevi from my mother's side that

> when

> > our debts will be over i will come and drop a bunch of 1Re coins in the

> > hundi which i have tied in a red cloth and have it in my house now,

> > But we are still not out of my debts so hence we haven't put the money in

> > the hundi

> > can you throw some light on this

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Natasha R Ginwala

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99wrote:

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Natasha Ji,

> > > Recently you have obtained advice for this problem.Many senior members

> too

> > > have given their views,Considering the medical issues,have you briefed

> the

> > > position,the remedies part could have been more pertinent to

> follow.Some up

> > > dates like when did you last have miscarraige etc would only take us to

> some

> > > understandable opinion.Your horoscope is made out and seen by the group

> with

> > > he same question and the way .

> > > Putra yoga in this chart is weak.yet before end 2013 with jupiter

> > > transiting to pisces after 2011 ,there will be hopes for your

> pregnancy.

> > > Did you seek medical opinion for your husband.Beel karak Venusin

> anuradha

> > > ruled by saturn has also delayed children.

> > > Your husband moon in 8th in Rahu nakshtram indicates active sperms have

> > > very less duration of motility and the impregnation of ovum is not

> taking

> > > place properly.Aid of Doctors and strengthening spermatozoa will be

> > > necessary.In case you have already taken any fertility treatment,please

> > > observe remedies to fulfil the wish as suggested.

> > > Currently your husband is running dasa of saturn.Chances for your

> > > conception r bright after April2011 in the antar jupiter.Lagna lord in

> natal

> > > chart as well 10th lord,both kendras lors is jupiter is in the mithuna

> ruled

> > > by the nakshtra of mrigasira with Mangal as as the nakshtra lord.Mangal

> lord

> > > of 9th ,trikona and bahagyesh is in putrasthana in

> debilitation.Remedies

> > > have to be performed.It is good if Nagapratishta with the help of local

> > > priest is performed.performing Ketu japam too is suggested in Nvagrah

> > > temple.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control

> > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro<natashaastro%

> 40gmail.com>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Natasha R Ginwala <natashaastro <natashaastro%40gmail.com>

>

> > > >

> > > Urgent Advice required regarding children

> > > To:

<%40><Jyotish_Rem\

edies%

> 40>

>

> > > Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 3:02 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Guru's

> > >

> > > My Husband and me needed to know when can we have children, I'm trying

> to

> > >

> > > conceive but was unsuccessful 2 times and also consulting a doctor for

> the

> > >

> > > same

> > >

> > > Please Advice some pariharam

> > >

> > > Its really urgent

> > >

> > > We need help out details are as follows :

> > >

> > > *Husband : *

> > >

> > > Name : Ritesh R Ginwala

> > >

> > > Time : 02 hrs 26 min

> > >

> > > Date : 08-12-1977

> > >

> > > Place : Dabhoi , Baroda, India

> > >

> > > Nakshtra : Swati

> > >

> > > *Mine:*

> > >

> > > Name: Natasha. Ritesh Ginwala

> > >

> > > Time: 10 hrs 00 min

> > >

> > > 24-11-1984

> > >

> > > Place: Mumbai

> > >

> > > Nakshatra : Jyeshtha

> > >

> > > I've been reading this group mails from sometime now, im really

> impressed

> > > by

> > >

> > > the help which is offered

> > >

> > > Thanks in Advance,

> > >

> > > *Regards,*

> > >

> > > *Natasha R Ginwala*

> > >

> > >

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