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Dear VJ,

Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence

of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is very

important.

With regards.

RCS

 

 

 

 

.. Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16

Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

 

To All :

 

See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

 

http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

 

-VJ

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To RCS :

 

The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those very topics

which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence " .

 

It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has already been

described with example. Those who know how to deduce Vimshottari AD or PD will

find no difficulty in understanding my comments. Some modern astrologers are

spreading confusion about Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice

versa) which is seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

 

I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD

NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

 

Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? The

very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has a

separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. Since BPHS

has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and

PrD as well. Their method of computation has been explained in my article which

you have not read properly.

 

-VJ

===================== ===

> of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

, " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

>

> Dear VJ,

> Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence

> of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

> describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is very

important.

> With regards.

> RCS

>

>

>

>

> . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16

> Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

>

> To All :

>

> See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

>

> -VJ

>

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Dear Vinay,

 

I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not mention

antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even

the existence of AD in KCD ? "

 

Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure you will

find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

 

So RC ji is right.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

-

VJha

Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

 

To RCS :

 

The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those very topics

which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence " .

 

It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has already

been described with example. Those who know how to deduce Vimshottari AD or PD

will find no difficulty in understanding my comments. Some modern astrologers

are spreading confusion about Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and

vice versa) which is seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

 

I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD

NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

 

Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? The

very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has a

separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. Since BPHS

has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and

PrD as well. Their method of computation has been explained in my article which

you have not read properly.

 

-VJ

===================== ===

> of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

, " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs

wrote:

>

>

> Dear VJ,

> Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence

> of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

> describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is very

important.

> With regards.

> RCS

>

>

>

>

> . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16

> Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

>

> To All :

>

> See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

>

> -VJ

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mr Chandrashekhar,

 

Without reading my article in which I described the method of working

out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

 

RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa

once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article

properly.

 

BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up

this point, but you helped him out.

 

Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I

provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the

original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice,

including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

Kundalee Software.

 

-VJ

================ ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS

has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure

you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

>

> So RC ji is right.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> VJha

>

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> To RCS :

>

> The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move

to next Sequence " .

>

> It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has

already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva

and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

>

> Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may

assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

properly.

>

> -VJ

> ===================== ===

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

>

> , " R C Srivastava " swami.rcs@

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear VJ,

> > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

Sequence

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

> > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is

very important.

> > With regards.

> > RCS

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> >

> > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> >

> > -VJ

>

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Dear Vinay_jee,

 

The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced your

disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do not read your

articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to the truth about how

astrology must be done or calculated. Now please understand that I am not

quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense I get and I hope others who are

observing and experiencing you on internet might have made similar observations

too.

 

It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one person

(you!).

 

You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other words

someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords between your work

and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not telling you what you must

do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just wondering why this is happening

or rather occuring to you! And you have never been abusive or unreasonable in

your expressions either!

 

Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing...!

 

Best regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> Without reading my article in which I described the method of working

> out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

> making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

>

> RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

> educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa

> once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article

> properly.

>

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

> The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

> written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

> that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up

> this point, but you helped him out.

>

> Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

> Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I

> provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the

> original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice,

> including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> Kundalee Software.

>

> -VJ

> ================ ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS

> has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> >

> > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure

> you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> >

> > So RC ji is right.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > To RCS :

> >

> > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

> very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move

> to next Sequence " .

> >

> > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has

> already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

> seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> >

> > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva

> and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

> >

> > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may

> assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

> computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

> properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ===================== ===

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> >

> > , " R C Srivastava " swami.rcs@

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear VJ,

> > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> Sequence

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

> > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is

> very important.

> > > With regards.

> > > RCS

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > >

> > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Rohiniranjan Ji,

 

Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

software, do not listen to the truth " ).

 

You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making myself

known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with my

consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my panchangas. I

have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a sign of

" disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get recognized.

Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition awarded

to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for Fame

is poison to me.

 

I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long years,

because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet astrologers.

But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded minority

from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the result

of long years of tests.

 

You know many things but one : the world will cease to function properly

if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

properly.

 

-VJ

================= ===

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay_jee,

>

> The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced

your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do

not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to

the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense

I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

internet might have made similar observations too.

>

> It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one

person (you!).

>

> You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other

words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not

telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just

wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you have

never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

>

> Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing...!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

working

> > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

> > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> >

> > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

" Please

> > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

dasa

> > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

of

> > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

article

> > properly.

> >

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

" antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

felt

> > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

up

> > this point, but you helped him out.

> >

> > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD.

PVR

> > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

which I

> > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

the

> > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

notice,

> > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > Kundalee Software.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ================ ===

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

BPHS

> > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > >

> > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

sure

> > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > >

> > > So RC ji is right.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To RCS :

> > >

> > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

those

> > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you

move

> > to next Sequence " .

> > >

> > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

has

> > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

> > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > >

> > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

Jeeva

> > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

> > >

> > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

AD in

> > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

of

> > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

37

> > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

These

> > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we

may

> > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

> > computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

> > properly.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ===================== ===

> > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > >

> > > , " R C Srivastava "

swami.rcs@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > Sequence

> > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

Stanza

> > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

AD is

> > very important.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > RCS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > >

> > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Vinay,

 

I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists. Yet,

I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you wrote. I

merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS and gave

you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have them.

 

You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of antardasha

by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that can lead

the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the same

edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention of

antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

 

Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty unambiguously

and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is saying. I too

think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in about drawing

of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you have given

something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S Antardasha order as

4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

 

Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced likewise

according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD as the

first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

 

May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order begins

from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10 and 9, that

is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does it fit

in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari

scheme?

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

-

VJha

Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

 

Mr Chandrashekhar,

 

Without reading my article in which I described the method of working

out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

 

RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa

once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article

properly.

 

BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up

this point, but you helped him out.

 

Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I

provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the

original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice,

including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

Kundalee Software.

 

-VJ

================ ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS

has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure

you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

>

> So RC ji is right.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> VJha

>

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> To RCS :

>

> The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move

to next Sequence " .

>

> It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has

already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva

and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

>

> Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may

assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

properly.

>

> -VJ

> ===================== ===

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

>

> , " R C Srivastava " swami.rcs@

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear VJ,

> > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

Sequence

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

> > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is

very important.

> > With regards.

> > RCS

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> >

> > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> >

> > -VJ

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I was basing my

statements on what I had been observing based on what you were writing publicle

and privately through internet.

 

Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I wrote,

therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your many wonderful,

and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your academic achievements,

panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite a few times., etc.

 

As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the world -- we

all can only humbly thank you for working towards the preservation of this world

which is already suffering and probably as we move towards the date which many

are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012), we will be facing increasing challenges

and warnings against the well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry

less is one sigh of relief gained, I suppose.

 

Rohiniranjan

Baby-boomer

 

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan Ji,

>

> Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

> consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

> people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

> software, do not listen to the truth " ).

>

> You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making myself

> known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with my

> consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

> editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my panchangas. I

> have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

> consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a sign of

> " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get recognized.

> Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition awarded

> to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for Fame

> is poison to me.

>

> I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long years,

> because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet astrologers.

> But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded minority

> from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the result

> of long years of tests.

>

> You know many things but one : the world will cease to function properly

> if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

> properly.

>

> -VJ

> ================= ===

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay_jee,

> >

> > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently voiced

> your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general) do

> not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen to

> the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

> understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the sense

> I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

> internet might have made similar observations too.

> >

> > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards one

> person (you!).

> >

> > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In other

> words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

> between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am not

> telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was just

> wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you have

> never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> >

> > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing...!

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> working

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > >

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> " Please

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> dasa

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

> of

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> article

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> up

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD.

> PVR

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> which I

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> the

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> notice,

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ================ ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> BPHS

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> sure

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you

> move

> > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> has

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> Jeeva

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

> > > >

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> AD in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

> of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> These

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we

> may

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

> > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > >

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> swami.rcs@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > Sequence

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> Stanza

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> AD is

> > > very important.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RCS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Rohini Da,

 

Grihasthas are not ants. All other ashramas depend on them. While

sanyaasis, fed by grihasthas, look after moksha, Dharma in this world is

maintained by Grihasthas.

 

Unfortunately, most of the grihasthas in kaliyuga have become grihastas

(grih-asta : combust in the home).

 

-VJ

================= ===

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Thank you very much Vinay_jee for opening your heart on this forum

where I know you are indeed respected and where the moderator has

publicly assured you several times that you will always be listened too,

and from my lowly ant's perspective you have been! I use the metaphor of

'ant' from time to time, not to portray veiled arrogance or

sham-humility but to me, ants represent the 'grihasta' and worldly

reality of the very same DIVINITY that also produces monks and sadhus

and sages and awatars! The same MA and BABA who create all this magic

and whose BABIES we all are: Grihasta and Brahmachari!

>

> It is for the BABIES of those CELESTIAL PARENTS that we all must work

towards & that includes the grihasta and the brahmachari and the rest of

the fauna and flora! I KNOW that the YUGAS will bring pralayas and we

all shall return to where we started and ACTUALLY never left!

>

> That is what to me personally has always meant SATURN's message and

SATURN'S BLESSINGS! STAMBHAN (of any planet) perhaps in transit or even

in natal represents SATURN, while atichara represents some other

astrological-factor...!

>

> Saturn is that KHOONTI (hindi Khoonti and not bangla khoonti!) to

which the goat (astrological reality starting with aries/mesha) is tied

to with the illusive rope of free-will, as Thakur Paramahansa's allegory

reminds us.

>

> I have always wondered as to why RamKrishna used the goat as the

animal in the metaphor! Goats are known to have an innate GIFT for

chewing incessantly! What if they decide to chew on the rope that tie

them fatalistically to SATURN? Emancipation can come to GOATS too, can

it not?

>

> I hope the GOATs are listening? I mean CHEWING!!

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > <<<

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

> > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> > preservation of this world which is already suffering.....

> > >>>

> >

> > It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to

function

> > properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

> >

> > Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary

> > upheavals and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

> >

> > Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of

those

> > who believe physical planets are deities and therefore any

alternative

> > software must not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are

ready

> > to change themselves. Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult

to

> > change, perhaps due to slow motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is

exalted,

> > it results in positive change in the long run, after initial

pitfalls.

> >

> > You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I

decided in

> > 1971 not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this

adjective to

> > your name in this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a

century

> > ot two, no one will remember me, but you will be remembered, at

least by

> > your babies & c. It is for the benefit of babies of persons like you

that

> > I worked so hard. If my work is wasted and destroyed and forgotten,

it

> > will not harm me in any respect.

> >

> > The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I

found,

> > much later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse

astrological

> > results than Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or

> > perhaps more faith in the astrological validity of physical

planetary

> > motions. Had I retained my earlier opinion, you would have found no

> > difference.

> >

> > You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration "

for

> > me. But such traits are results of expectations. I had no

expectation.

> > Hence, there was no question of disappointment. The whole world is

> > taught physical astronomy, formally as well as informally. Even many

of

> > those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it

properly.

> > Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become

> > popular. Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is

not

> > allowing many users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also

know

> > these issues well. Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I

knew

> > the outcome beforehand, and that is why I refrained from launching

> > Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is still not fit for web (it

> > contains outdated DLL files).

> >

> > You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

> >

> > Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter

> > enmical aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of

11th

> > Sun sitting in 4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often

> > unfriendly towards me. Hence, I must not get recognition or honour

for

> > my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on

me,

> > and I get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from

honours

> > & c because I know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a

heavy

> > price by being engulfed by it in the form of next birth/births.

> >

> > I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those

who

> > have contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you

have

> > ever abused anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really

> > contributed something good to society at large, and that is your

real

> > worth to me. It does not matter to me what is your opinion about me

or

> > about my work. Not even 1% on my work is on internet, hence you do

not

> > know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in astrology but in

> > comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly

concerning

> > the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never

published

> > in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

> > emails only.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -VJ

> > ==================== ==

> > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I

was

> > basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you

were

> > writing publicle and privately through internet.

> > >

> > > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet.

What I

> > wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of

your

> > many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as

your

> > academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about

quite

> > a few times., etc.

> > >

> > > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of

the

> > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> > preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably

as we

> > move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning

(21-12-2012),

> > we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

> > well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh

of

> > relief gained, I suppose.

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > > Baby-boomer

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you

have

> > > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration

that

> > > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out

your

> > > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

> > > >

> > > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

> > myself

> > > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others,

with

> > my

> > > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name

in

> > > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

> > panchangas. I

> > > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine.

My

> > > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

> > sign of

> > > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

> > recognized.

> > > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

> > awarded

> > > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust

for

> > Fame

> > > > is poison to me.

> > > >

> > > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for

long

> > years,

> > > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

> > astrologers.

> > > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

> > minority

> > > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

> > result

> > > > of long years of tests.

> > > >

> > > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

> > properly

> > > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must

function

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ================= ===

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

> > voiced

> > > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

general)

> > do

> > > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not

listen

> > to

> > > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now

please

> > > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on

the

> > sense

> > > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you

on

> > > > internet might have made similar observations too.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance

towards

> > one

> > > > person (you!).

> > > > >

> > > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

> > other

> > > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant

chords

> > > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again,

I am

> > not

> > > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but

was

> > just

> > > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And

you

> > have

> > > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> > > > >

> > > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing...!

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method

of

> > > > working

> > > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

> > method of

> > > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

> > answered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question

s :

> > > > " Please

> > > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

Sequence of

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To

it,

> > I

> > > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > elucidation

> > > > of

> > > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to

see

> > the

> > > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and

my

> > > > article

> > > > > > properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

of

> > > > verses

> > > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

> > rightly

> > > > felt

> > > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed

to

> > pick

> > > > up

> > > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced

into

> > KCD.

> > > > PVR

> > > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion,

after

> > > > which I

> > > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to

bring

> > out

> > > > the

> > > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared

to

> > > > notice,

> > > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked

out

> > in

> > > > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > ================ ===

> > > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS

does

> > not

> > > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me

where

> > > > BPHS

> > > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > > > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition.

I am

> > > > sure

> > > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > VJha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

> > Sub-periods

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To RCS :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

of

> > > > those

> > > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and

How

> > you

> > > > move

> > > > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The

method of

> > AD

> > > > has

> > > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

> > deduce

> > > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in

understanding my

> > > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion

about

> > > > > > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

> > which is

> > > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati,

Deha

> > and

> > > > Jeeva

> > > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > alone. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the

existence

> > of

> > > > AD in

> > > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may

be

> > right

> > > > of

> > > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

> > containing

> > > > 37

> > > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on

KCD.

> > > > These

> > > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

> > KCD, we

> > > > may

> > > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their

method

> > of

> > > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have

not

> > read

> > > > > > properly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

a

> > Pada.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " R C

Srivastava "

> > > > swami.rcs@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it

..

> > > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

> > next

> > > > > > Sequence

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

a

> > Pada.

> > > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS

has

> > 56

> > > > Stanza

> > > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct

working

> > of

> > > > AD is

> > > > > > very important.

> > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > > RCS

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Vinay_jee,

 

As far as combustion is concerned, often touched upon earlier -- a new question

since the earliers remained unanswered:

 

Does the Sun becomes combust when each evening he goes ASTA in the west?

 

I had heard another version too!

 

Griha -- Sthaa

 

When the griha comes to stay (comes back HOME) griha-sthaa!

 

SATURN again! Chores and hard repetitive work, day in and day out! Like the

lowly ants (grihasthas!) need to finish before they get access to their

computers ;-)

 

Count your blessings...!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Rohini Da,

>

> Grihasthas are not ants. All other ashramas depend on them. While

> sanyaasis, fed by grihasthas, look after moksha, Dharma in this world is

> maintained by Grihasthas.

>

> Unfortunately, most of the grihasthas in kaliyuga have become grihastas

> (grih-asta : combust in the home).

>

> -VJ

> ================= ===

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you very much Vinay_jee for opening your heart on this forum

> where I know you are indeed respected and where the moderator has

> publicly assured you several times that you will always be listened too,

> and from my lowly ant's perspective you have been! I use the metaphor of

> 'ant' from time to time, not to portray veiled arrogance or

> sham-humility but to me, ants represent the 'grihasta' and worldly

> reality of the very same DIVINITY that also produces monks and sadhus

> and sages and awatars! The same MA and BABA who create all this magic

> and whose BABIES we all are: Grihasta and Brahmachari!

> >

> > It is for the BABIES of those CELESTIAL PARENTS that we all must work

> towards & that includes the grihasta and the brahmachari and the rest of

> the fauna and flora! I KNOW that the YUGAS will bring pralayas and we

> all shall return to where we started and ACTUALLY never left!

> >

> > That is what to me personally has always meant SATURN's message and

> SATURN'S BLESSINGS! STAMBHAN (of any planet) perhaps in transit or even

> in natal represents SATURN, while atichara represents some other

> astrological-factor...!

> >

> > Saturn is that KHOONTI (hindi Khoonti and not bangla khoonti!) to

> which the goat (astrological reality starting with aries/mesha) is tied

> to with the illusive rope of free-will, as Thakur Paramahansa's allegory

> reminds us.

> >

> > I have always wondered as to why RamKrishna used the goat as the

> animal in the metaphor! Goats are known to have an innate GIFT for

> chewing incessantly! What if they decide to chew on the rope that tie

> them fatalistically to SATURN? Emancipation can come to GOATS too, can

> it not?

> >

> > I hope the GOATs are listening? I mean CHEWING!!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > <<<

> > > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

> > > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> > > preservation of this world which is already suffering.....

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > It is not what I said. My words were " the world will cease to

> function

> > > properly if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. "

> > >

> > > Any revolutionary change in fundamental beliefs results in temporary

> > > upheavals and obstacles in proper functioning. This is what I meant.

> > >

> > > Besides, I have no power to remove materialism from the minds of

> those

> > > who believe physical planets are deities and therefore any

> alternative

> > > software must not be tested. Men cannot be changed unless they are

> ready

> > > to change themselves. Persons with strong Saturn are more difficult

> to

> > > change, perhaps due to slow motion of Saturn. But if Saturn is

> exalted,

> > > it results in positive change in the long run, after initial

> pitfalls.

> > >

> > > You are wrongly thanking me for preservation of this world. I

> decided in

> > > 1971 not to become a baby-boomer, while you have added this

> adjective to

> > > your name in this message ( " Rohiniranjan Baby-boomer " ). After a

> century

> > > ot two, no one will remember me, but you will be remembered, at

> least by

> > > your babies & c. It is for the benefit of babies of persons like you

> that

> > > I worked so hard. If my work is wasted and destroyed and forgotten,

> it

> > > will not harm me in any respect.

> > >

> > > The only difference you have with me is due to the fact that I

> found,

> > > much later in my life, that physical astronomy gives worse

> astrological

> > > results than Suryasiddhanta. Before this finding, I had equal or

> > > perhaps more faith in the astrological validity of physical

> planetary

> > > motions. Had I retained my earlier opinion, you would have found no

> > > difference.

> > >

> > > You sincerely used words like " disappointment, chagrin, frustration "

> for

> > > me. But such traits are results of expectations. I had no

> expectation.

> > > Hence, there was no question of disappointment. The whole world is

> > > taught physical astronomy, formally as well as informally. Even many

> of

> > > those who have to study Suryasiddhanta do not comprehend it

> properly.

> > > Hence, a software based on a misunderstood text could not become

> > > popular. Moreover, I am using outdated Visual Basic version which is

> not

> > > allowing many users to install Kundalee on their machines. You also

> know

> > > these issues well. Then, why you guessed I am " disappointed " ? I

> knew

> > > the outcome beforehand, and that is why I refrained from launching

> > > Kundalee on web for years ; Kundalee is still not fit for web (it

> > > contains outdated DLL files).

> > >

> > > You have question thrice why I am treated so. Here is the answer :

> > >

> > > Presently, the planets of MD, AD and PD in my horoscope have bitter

> > > enmical aspects on 10th house. In my birthchart too, I have lord of

> 11th

> > > Sun sitting in 4th (house of Suhrid), which makes my " friends " often

> > > unfriendly towards me. Hence, I must not get recognition or honour

> for

> > > my work. Due to my way of life, bonds of horoscope are not hard on

> me,

> > > and I get recognition wherever I go. But I try to keep away from

> honours

> > > & c because I know if I stick to this World I will have to pay a

> heavy

> > > price by being engulfed by it in the form of next birth/births.

> > >

> > > I have no grudge against you. I can even tolerate abuses from those

> who

> > > have contributed something worthwhile to others. I do not mean you

> have

> > > ever abused anyone, including me, I only mean that you have really

> > > contributed something good to society at large, and that is your

> real

> > > worth to me. It does not matter to me what is your opinion about me

> or

> > > about my work. Not even 1% on my work is on internet, hence you do

> not

> > > know my work. Bulk of my written works are not in astrology but in

> > > comparative linguistics of Indo-European languages (mainly

> concerning

> > > the dating of Rgveda through linguistic means), which I never

> published

> > > in book form but gave parts of it in lectures and some articles and

> > > emails only.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ==================== ==

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I

> was

> > > basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you

> were

> > > writing publicle and privately through internet.

> > > >

> > > > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet.

> What I

> > > wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of

> your

> > > many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as

> your

> > > academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about

> quite

> > > a few times., etc.

> > > >

> > > > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of

> the

> > > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> > > preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably

> as we

> > > move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning

> (21-12-2012),

> > > we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

> > > well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh

> of

> > > relief gained, I suppose.

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > Baby-boomer

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you

> have

> > > > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration

> that

> > > > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out

> your

> > > > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

> > > myself

> > > > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others,

> with

> > > my

> > > > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name

> in

> > > > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

> > > panchangas. I

> > > > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine.

> My

> > > > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

> > > sign of

> > > > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

> > > recognized.

> > > > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

> > > awarded

> > > > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust

> for

> > > Fame

> > > > > is poison to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for

> long

> > > years,

> > > > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

> > > astrologers.

> > > > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

> > > minority

> > > > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

> > > result

> > > > > of long years of tests.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

> > > properly

> > > > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must

> function

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ================= ===

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

> > > voiced

> > > > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

> general)

> > > do

> > > > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not

> listen

> > > to

> > > > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now

> please

> > > > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on

> the

> > > sense

> > > > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you

> on

> > > > > internet might have made similar observations too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance

> towards

> > > one

> > > > > person (you!).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

> > > other

> > > > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant

> chords

> > > > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again,

> I am

> > > not

> > > > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but

> was

> > > just

> > > > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And

> you

> > > have

> > > > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing...!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method

> of

> > > > > working

> > > > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

> > > method of

> > > > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

> > > answered.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question

> s :

> > > > > " Please

> > > > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> Sequence of

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To

> it,

> > > I

> > > > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > > elucidation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to

> see

> > > the

> > > > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and

> my

> > > > > article

> > > > > > > properly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > > > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

> of

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

> > > rightly

> > > > > felt

> > > > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed

> to

> > > pick

> > > > > up

> > > > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced

> into

> > > KCD.

> > > > > PVR

> > > > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion,

> after

> > > > > which I

> > > > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to

> bring

> > > out

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared

> to

> > > > > notice,

> > > > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked

> out

> > > in

> > > > > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > ================ ===

> > > > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS

> does

> > > not

> > > > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me

> where

> > > > > BPHS

> > > > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > > > > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition.

> I am

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > VJha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

> > > Sub-periods

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To RCS :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

> of

> > > > > those

> > > > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and

> How

> > > you

> > > > > move

> > > > > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The

> method of

> > > AD

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

> > > deduce

> > > > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in

> understanding my

> > > > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion

> about

> > > > > > > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

> > > which is

> > > > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati,

> Deha

> > > and

> > > > > Jeeva

> > > > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > > alone. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the

> existence

> > > of

> > > > > AD in

> > > > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may

> be

> > > right

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

> > > containing

> > > > > 37

> > > > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on

> KCD.

> > > > > These

> > > > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

> > > KCD, we

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their

> method

> > > of

> > > > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have

> not

> > > read

> > > > > > > properly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

> a

> > > Pada.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " R C

> Srivastava "

> > > > > swami.rcs@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it

> .

> > > > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

> > > next

> > > > > > > Sequence

> > > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

> a

> > > Pada.

> > > > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS

> has

> > > 56

> > > > > Stanza

> > > > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct

> working

> > > of

> > > > > AD is

> > > > > > > very important.

> > > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > > > > RCS

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Krishnan Ji,

 

I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote

place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking

too much time.

 

Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love

since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago

when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

Suryasiddhanta.

 

The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the

worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World population

will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi

of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi.

This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

 

-VJ

=============== ===

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate

Kalachakra dasa needs to be complemented.AS most of us show eagerness to

apply mostly the Chara Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application

seems to work better in some cases(b4 and after war times) found to

be more precise.Few people actually make effort to apply KCD and in

this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was

made after thorough study of classsiclas,though it is mainly oriented

towards surya siddhantic principles.Unfortunately my efforts to load and

use on window Vista never gave me the personal satisfaction to

understand the efficacy of software.Some of our JT members,however

endorsed compliments.

> The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be

be taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to

take with grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop

astrology in the present times shall definetely help those worried about

apocalypse relating to 21st Dec. and remove all doubts that the order of

the Nature is very much stable and nothing to apprehend catastophy. The

recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and impending tectonic movements

it is evident the world is under transformation.(but

disintegration?)This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned

money does not also seems to be secure.

> Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in Virgo,with

exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow

beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble though he

is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

Stabhisha.

> The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and

encouraging members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical

discussions Iam sure members will take them in right earnes and laud all

those with penchant to do write some thing different from routine and

explore all the past base and make the knowledge reachable to common

man.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>

> --- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal jyotish_vani

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

>

Â

>

>

>

I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I

was basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you

were writing publicle and privately through internet.

>

>

>

> Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your

many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your

academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite

a few times., etc.

>

>

>

> As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably as we

move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012)

, we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh of

relief gained, I suppose.

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> Baby-boomer

>

>

>

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Rohiniranjan Ji,

>

> >

>

> > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

>

> > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

>

> > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

>

> > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

>

> >

>

> > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

myself

>

> > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with

my

>

> > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

>

> > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

panchangas. I

>

> > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

>

> > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

sign of

>

> > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

recognized.

>

> > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

awarded

>

> > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for

Fame

>

> > is poison to me.

>

> >

>

> > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long

years,

>

> > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

astrologers.

>

> > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

minority

>

> > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

result

>

> > of long years of tests.

>

> >

>

> > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

properly

>

> > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

>

> > properly.

>

> >

>

> > -VJ

>

> > ============ ===== ===

>

> > , " rohinicrystal "

>

> > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Vinay_jee,

>

> > >

>

> > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

voiced

>

> > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general)

do

>

> > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

to

>

> > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

>

> > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the

sense

>

> > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

>

> > internet might have made similar observations too.

>

> > >

>

> > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards

one

>

> > person (you!).

>

> > >

>

> > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

other

>

> > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

>

> > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am

not

>

> > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was

just

>

> > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you

have

>

> > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

>

> > >

>

> > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

>

> > >

>

> > > Best regards,

>

> > >

>

> > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > >

>

> > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

>

> > working

>

> > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

method of

>

> > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

answered.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

>

> > " Please

>

> > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

>

> > dasa

>

> > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it,

I

>

> > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

elucidation

>

> > of

>

> > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

the

>

> > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

>

> > article

>

> > > > properly.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

>

> > " antardashaa " .

>

> > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

of

>

> > verses

>

> > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

rightly

>

> > felt

>

> > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

pick

>

> > up

>

> > > > this point, but you helped him out.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

KCD.

>

> > PVR

>

> > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

>

> > which I

>

> > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

out

>

> > the

>

> > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

>

> > notice,

>

> > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

in

>

> > > > Kundalee Software.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > -VJ

>

> > > > ============ ==== ===

>

> > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

>

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear Vinay,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

not

>

> > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

>

> > BPHS

>

> > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

>

> > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

am

>

> > sure

>

> > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > So RC ji is right.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Regards,

>

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>

> > > > > -

>

> > > > > VJha

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

>

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

Sub-periods

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > To RCS :

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

>

> > those

>

> > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

you

>

> > move

>

> > > > to next Sequence " .

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

AD

>

> > has

>

> > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

deduce

>

> > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

>

> > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

>

> > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

which is

>

> > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha

and

>

> > Jeeva

>

> > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

alone. "

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence

of

>

> > AD in

>

> > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

right

>

> > of

>

> > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

containing

>

> > 37

>

> > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

>

> > These

>

> > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

KCD, we

>

> > may

>

> > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

of

>

> > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

read

>

> > > > properly.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > -VJ

>

> > > > > ============ ========= ===

>

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

>

> > swami.rcs@

>

> > > > wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear VJ,

>

> > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

>

> > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

next

>

> > > > Sequence

>

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

>

> > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has

56

>

> > Stanza

>

> > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working

of

>

> > AD is

>

> > > > very important.

>

> > > > > > With regards.

>

> > > > > > RCS

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

>

> > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > To All :

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > -VJ

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

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I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a chord!

 

So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and their

political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or will

the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or Iraq,

in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe, yet

again!!

 

Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several perhaps

because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

 

What do you think?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Krishnan Ji,

>

> I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote

> place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking

> too much time.

>

> Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love

> since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago

> when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

> Suryasiddhanta.

>

> The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

> khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the

> worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World population

> will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

> Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi

> of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

> Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi.

> This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

>

> -VJ

> =============== ===

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate

> Kalachakra dasa needs to be complemented.AS most of us show eagerness to

> apply mostly the Chara Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application

> seems to work better in some cases(b4 and after war times) found to

> be more precise.Few people actually make effort to apply KCD and in

> this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was

> made after thorough study of classsiclas,though it is mainly oriented

> towards surya siddhantic principles.Unfortunately my efforts to load and

> use on window Vista never gave me the personal satisfaction to

> understand the efficacy of software.Some of our JT members,however

> endorsed compliments.

> > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be

> be taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to

> take with grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop

> astrology in the present times shall definetely help those worried about

> apocalypse relating to 21st Dec. and remove all doubts that the order of

> the Nature is very much stable and nothing to apprehend catastophy. The

> recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and impending tectonic movements

> it is evident the world is under transformation.(but

> disintegration?)This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned

> money does not also seems to be secure.

> > Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in Virgo,with

> exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow

> beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble though he

> is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

> Stabhisha.

> > The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

> that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and

> encouraging members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical

> discussions Iam sure members will take them in right earnes and laud all

> those with penchant to do write some thing different from routine and

> explore all the past base and make the knowledge reachable to common

> man.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

> Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> >

> > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> > Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I

> was basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you

> were writing publicle and privately through internet.

> >

> >

> >

> > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

> wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your

> many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your

> academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite

> a few times., etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

> world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably as we

> move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012)

> , we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

> well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh of

> relief gained, I suppose.

> >

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > Baby-boomer

> >

> >

> >

> > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

> >

> > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

> >

> > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

> >

> > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

> >

> > >

> >

> > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

> myself

> >

> > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with

> my

> >

> > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

> >

> > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

> panchangas. I

> >

> > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

> >

> > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

> sign of

> >

> > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

> recognized.

> >

> > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

> awarded

> >

> > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for

> Fame

> >

> > > is poison to me.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long

> years,

> >

> > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

> astrologers.

> >

> > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

> minority

> >

> > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

> result

> >

> > > of long years of tests.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

> properly

> >

> > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

> >

> > > properly.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > -VJ

> >

> > > ============ ===== ===

> >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> >

> > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

> voiced

> >

> > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general)

> do

> >

> > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

> to

> >

> > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

> >

> > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the

> sense

> >

> > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

> >

> > > internet might have made similar observations too.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards

> one

> >

> > > person (you!).

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

> other

> >

> > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

> >

> > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am

> not

> >

> > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was

> just

> >

> > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you

> have

> >

> > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Best regards,

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> >

> > > working

> >

> > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

> method of

> >

> > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

> answered.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> >

> > > " Please

> >

> > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> >

> > > dasa

> >

> > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it,

> I

> >

> > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> >

> > > of

> >

> > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

> the

> >

> > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> >

> > > article

> >

> > > > > properly.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> >

> > > " antardashaa " .

> >

> > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

> of

> >

> > > verses

> >

> > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

> rightly

> >

> > > felt

> >

> > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

> pick

> >

> > > up

> >

> > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> >

> > > PVR

> >

> > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> >

> > > which I

> >

> > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

> out

> >

> > > the

> >

> > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> >

> > > notice,

> >

> > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

> in

> >

> > > > > Kundalee Software.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > -VJ

> >

> > > > > ============ ==== ===

> >

> > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> >

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

> not

> >

> > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> >

> > > BPHS

> >

> > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> >

> > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

> am

> >

> > > sure

> >

> > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Regards,

> >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > > > > > -

> >

> > > > > > VJha

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> >

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

> Sub-periods

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > To RCS :

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> >

> > > those

> >

> > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> >

> > > move

> >

> > > > > to next Sequence " .

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

> AD

> >

> > > has

> >

> > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

> deduce

> >

> > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> >

> > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> >

> > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

> which is

> >

> > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha

> and

> >

> > > Jeeva

> >

> > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence

> of

> >

> > > AD in

> >

> > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> >

> > > of

> >

> > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

> containing

> >

> > > 37

> >

> > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> >

> > > These

> >

> > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

> KCD, we

> >

> > > may

> >

> > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> >

> > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> >

> > > > > properly.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > -VJ

> >

> > > > > > ============ ========= ===

> >

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

> Pada.

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> >

> > > swami.rcs@

> >

> > > > > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> >

> > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> >

> > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

> next

> >

> > > > > Sequence

> >

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

> Pada.

> >

> > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has

> 56

> >

> > > Stanza

> >

> > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working

> of

> >

> > > AD is

> >

> > > > > very important.

> >

> > > > > > > With regards.

> >

> > > > > > > RCS

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> >

> > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > To All :

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

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Human beings will fare according to theor own individual karmas, while

countries will fare according to fixed laws of mundane jyotisha. During

my school days, I wondered why most of the rich persons are born in rich

countries !

 

It is only the beginning of Kaliyuga. Only 5110 years have elapsed.

426890 years are yet to come, during which there will be nine more

socalled Doomsdays.

 

-VJ

=============== ===

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

>

> So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan

and their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to

progress or will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may

be born in Japan or Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps

insects shall rule the universe, yet again!!

>

> Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime --

several perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

>

> What do you think?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > Krishnan Ji,

> >

> > I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a

remote

> > place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is

taking

> > too much time.

> >

> > Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first

love

> > since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years

ago

> > when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

> > Suryasiddhanta.

> >

> > The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

> > khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think

the

> > worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World

population

> > will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

> > Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the

raashi

> > of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

> > Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha

raashi.

> > This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

> >

> > -VJ

> > =============== ===

> > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate

> > Kalachakra dasa needs to be complemented.AS most of us show

eagerness to

> > apply mostly the Chara Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD

application

> > seems to work better in some cases(b4 and after war times) found to

> > be more precise.Few people actually make effort to apply KCD

and in

> > this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> > > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development

was

> > made after thorough study of classsiclas,though it is mainly

oriented

> > towards surya siddhantic principles.Unfortunately my efforts to load

and

> > use on window Vista never gave me the personal satisfaction to

> > understand the efficacy of software.Some of our JT members,however

> > endorsed compliments.

> > > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not

be

> > be taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor

to

> > take with grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop

> > astrology in the present times shall definetely help those worried

about

> > apocalypse relating to 21st Dec. and remove all doubts that the

order of

> > the Nature is very much stable and nothing to apprehend catastophy.

The

> > recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and impending tectonic

movements

> > it is evident the world is under transformation.(but

> > disintegration?)This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned

> > money does not also seems to be secure.

> > > Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in

Virgo,with

> > exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow

> > beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble

though he

> > is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in

rahu's

> > Stabhisha.

> > > The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

> > that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and

> > encouraging members from time to time.The benifit out of these

crtical

> > discussions Iam sure members will take them in right earnes and laud

all

> > those with penchant to do write some thing different from routine

and

> > explore all the past base and make the knowledge reachable to common

> > man.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

> > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as

insulting. I

> > was basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what

you

> > were writing publicle and privately through internet.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet.

What I

> > wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of

your

> > many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as

your

> > academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about

quite

> > a few times., etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of

the

> > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> > preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably

as we

> > move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning

(21-12-2012)

> > , we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

> > well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh

of

> > relief gained, I suppose.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > Baby-boomer

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@

....>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you

have

> > >

> > > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration

that

> > >

> > > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out

your

> > >

> > > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

> > myself

> > >

> > > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others,

with

> > my

> > >

> > > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name

in

> > >

> > > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

> > panchangas. I

> > >

> > > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine.

My

> > >

> > > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

> > sign of

> > >

> > > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

> > recognized.

> > >

> > > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

> > awarded

> > >

> > > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust

for

> > Fame

> > >

> > > > is poison to me.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for

long

> > years,

> > >

> > > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

> > astrologers.

> > >

> > > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

> > minority

> > >

> > > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

> > result

> > >

> > > > of long years of tests.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

> > properly

> > >

> > > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must

function

> > >

> > > > properly.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > ============ ===== ===

> > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > >

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

> > voiced

> > >

> > > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

general)

> > do

> > >

> > > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not

listen

> > to

> > >

> > > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now

please

> > >

> > > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on

the

> > sense

> > >

> > > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you

on

> > >

> > > > internet might have made similar observations too.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance

towards

> > one

> > >

> > > > person (you!).

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

> > other

> > >

> > > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant

chords

> > >

> > > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again,

I am

> > not

> > >

> > > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but

was

> > just

> > >

> > > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And

you

> > have

> > >

> > > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method

of

> > >

> > > > working

> > >

> > > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

> > method of

> > >

> > > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

> > answered.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question

s :

> > >

> > > > " Please

> > >

> > > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

Sequence of

> > >

> > > > dasa

> > >

> > > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To

it,

> > I

> > >

> > > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > elucidation

> > >

> > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to

see

> > the

> > >

> > > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and

my

> > >

> > > > article

> > >

> > > > > > properly.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > >

> > > > " antardashaa " .

> > >

> > > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a

part

> > of

> > >

> > > > verses

> > >

> > > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

> > rightly

> > >

> > > > felt

> > >

> > > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed

to

> > pick

> > >

> > > > up

> > >

> > > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced

into

> > KCD.

> > >

> > > > PVR

> > >

> > > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion,

after

> > >

> > > > which I

> > >

> > > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to

bring

> > out

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared

to

> > >

> > > > notice,

> > >

> > > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked

out

> > in

> > >

> > > > > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > ============ ==== ===

> > >

> > > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > >

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS

does

> > not

> > >

> > > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me

where

> > >

> > > > BPHS

> > >

> > > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > >

> > > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition.

I

> > am

> > >

> > > > sure

> > >

> > > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > > > > > -

> > >

> > > > > > > VJha

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > >

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

> > Sub-periods

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > To RCS :

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

of

> > >

> > > > those

> > >

> > > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and

How

> > you

> > >

> > > > move

> > >

> > > > > > to next Sequence " .

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The

method of

> > AD

> > >

> > > > has

> > >

> > > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

> > deduce

> > >

> > > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in

understanding my

> > >

> > > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion

about

> > >

> > > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

> > which is

> > >

> > > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati,

Deha

> > and

> > >

> > > > Jeeva

> > >

> > > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > alone. "

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the

existence

> > of

> > >

> > > > AD in

> > >

> > > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may

be

> > right

> > >

> > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

> > containing

> > >

> > > > 37

> > >

> > > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on

KCD.

> > >

> > > > These

> > >

> > > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

> > KCD, we

> > >

> > > > may

> > >

> > > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their

method

> > of

> > >

> > > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have

not

> > read

> > >

> > > > > > properly.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

> > >

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

a

> > Pada.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > , " R C

Srivastava "

> > >

> > > > swami.rcs@

> > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > >

> > > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it

..

> > >

> > > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

> > next

> > >

> > > > > > Sequence

> > >

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

a

> > Pada.

> > >

> > > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS

has

> > 56

> > >

> > > > Stanza

> > >

> > > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct

working

> > of

> > >

> > > > AD is

> > >

> > > > > > very important.

> > >

> > > > > > > > With regards.

> > >

> > > > > > > > RCS

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > >

> > > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > To All :

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra-

dashaa

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear Sir,

It is only micro organisms that will have a longer life over arthropods or

milli/centipeds.The fast changing climate and emissions make humans with shileds

looking like scietific Avatasrs.

Insects,I mean UFO's ruling of course a scientific version.Like Man with a Calti

Ka Naam gadi is also Chatushpada.The over take or scientific explosion put man

behind .so the waning of the homosapiens is the question of time,say distant end

of Kaliyuga.

Having to be a japanee or Iraquee in the next birth will be a major wish,as in

India it is develop...... " ing "

other nations like Korea(except congo) including Iraq,japan and the lattest

Afganisthan are having less of history and Nations in making will no doubt

emerge further will have a major say in Global matters.

China and Congo may still be there what the histories of these countries

convey.Of course not even century hold has hopes but yet in baking stage.The

cake before it is made is target for many to cut and celebrate.yet the land of

Ganga,Jamna may boast of very 5th and 9th house.But drikdrishti theory may

further fail these hopes.

Exception seems to be the Vikruti Nanam samvatsaram where orderliness is

predicted for this nation to progress and bring reforms.Not Certainly women's

Reservation Bill nor the debated Nuclear bill of the past.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:56 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

 

 

 

So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and their

political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or will

the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or Iraq,

in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe, yet

again!!

 

 

 

Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several perhaps

because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

 

 

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Krishnan Ji,

 

>

 

> I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote

 

> place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking

 

> too much time.

 

>

 

> Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love

 

> since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago

 

> when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

 

> Suryasiddhanta.

 

>

 

> The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

 

> khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the

 

> worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World population

 

> will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

 

> Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi

 

> of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

 

> Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi.

 

> This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

 

>

 

> -VJ

 

> ============ === ===

 

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

 

> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Sir,

 

> > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate

 

> Kalachakra dasa needs to be complemented. AS most of us show eagerness to

 

> apply mostly the Chara Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application

 

> seems to work better in some cases(b4 and after war times) found to

 

> be more precise.Few people actually make effort to apply KCD and in

 

> this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

 

> > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was

 

> made after thorough study of classsiclas, though it is mainly oriented

 

> towards surya siddhantic principles.Unfortun ately my efforts to load and

 

> use on window Vista never gave me the personal satisfaction to

 

> understand the efficacy of software.Some of our JT members,however

 

> endorsed compliments.

 

> > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be

 

> be taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to

 

> take with grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop

 

> astrology in the present times shall definetely help those worried about

 

> apocalypse relating to 21st Dec. and remove all doubts that the order of

 

> the Nature is very much stable and nothing to apprehend catastophy. The

 

> recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and impending tectonic movements

 

> it is evident the world is under transformation. (but

 

> disintegration? )This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned

 

> money does not also seems to be secure.

 

> > Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in Virgo,with

 

> exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow

 

> beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble though he

 

> is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

 

> Stabhisha.

 

> > The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

 

> that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and

 

> encouraging members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical

 

> discussions Iam sure members will take them in right earnes and laud all

 

> those with penchant to do write some thing different from routine and

 

> explore all the past base and make the knowledge reachable to common

 

> man.

 

> >

 

> > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

 

> services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

 

> Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

 

> >

 

> > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

 

> >

 

> > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

 

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

> >

 

> > Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Â

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I

 

> was basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you

 

> were writing publicle and privately through internet.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

 

> wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your

 

> many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your

 

> academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite

 

> a few times., etc.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

 

> world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

 

> preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably as we

 

> move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012)

 

> , we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

 

> well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh of

 

> relief gained, I suppose.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > Baby-boomer

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

 

> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

 

> >

 

> > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

 

> >

 

> > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

 

> >

 

> > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

 

> myself

 

> >

 

> > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with

 

> my

 

> >

 

> > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

 

> >

 

> > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

 

> panchangas. I

 

> >

 

> > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

 

> >

 

> > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

 

> sign of

 

> >

 

> > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

 

> recognized.

 

> >

 

> > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

 

> awarded

 

> >

 

> > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for

 

> Fame

 

> >

 

> > > is poison to me.

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long

 

> years,

 

> >

 

> > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

 

> astrologers.

 

> >

 

> > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

 

> minority

 

> >

 

> > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

 

> result

 

> >

 

> > > of long years of tests.

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

 

> properly

 

> >

 

> > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

 

> >

 

> > > properly.

 

> >

 

> > >

 

> >

 

> > > -VJ

 

> >

 

> > > ============ ===== ===

 

> >

 

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

 

> >

 

> > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

 

> voiced

 

> >

 

> > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general)

 

> do

 

> >

 

> > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

 

> to

 

> >

 

> > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

 

> >

 

> > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the

 

> sense

 

> >

 

> > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

 

> >

 

> > > internet might have made similar observations too.

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards

 

> one

 

> >

 

> > > person (you!).

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

 

> other

 

> >

 

> > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

 

> >

 

> > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am

 

> not

 

> >

 

> > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was

 

> just

 

> >

 

> > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you

 

> have

 

> >

 

> > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Best regards,

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

> > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

 

> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

 

> >

 

> > > working

 

> >

 

> > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

 

> method of

 

> >

 

> > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

 

> answered.

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

 

> >

 

> > > " Please

 

> >

 

> > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

 

> >

 

> > > dasa

 

> >

 

> > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it,

 

> I

 

> >

 

> > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

 

> elucidation

 

> >

 

> > > of

 

> >

 

> > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

 

> the

 

> >

 

> > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

 

> >

 

> > > article

 

> >

 

> > > > > properly.

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

 

> >

 

> > > " antardashaa " .

 

> >

 

> > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

 

> of

 

> >

 

> > > verses

 

> >

 

> > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

 

> rightly

 

> >

 

> > > felt

 

> >

 

> > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

 

> pick

 

> >

 

> > > up

 

> >

 

> > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

 

> KCD.

 

> >

 

> > > PVR

 

> >

 

> > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

 

> >

 

> > > which I

 

> >

 

> > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

 

> out

 

> >

 

> > > the

 

> >

 

> > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

 

> >

 

> > > notice,

 

> >

 

> > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

 

> in

 

> >

 

> > > > > Kundalee Software.

 

> >

 

> > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > -VJ

 

> >

 

> > > > > ============ ==== ===

 

> >

 

> > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

 

> >

 

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Dear Vinay,

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

 

> not

 

> >

 

> > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

 

> >

 

> > > BPHS

 

> >

 

> > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

 

> >

 

> > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

 

> am

 

> >

 

> > > sure

 

> >

 

> > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > So RC ji is right.

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Regards,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > -

 

> >

 

> > > > > > VJha

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

 

> Sub-periods

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > To RCS :

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

 

> >

 

> > > those

 

> >

 

> > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

 

> you

 

> >

 

> > > move

 

> >

 

> > > > > to next Sequence " .

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

 

> AD

 

> >

 

> > > has

 

> >

 

> > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

 

> deduce

 

> >

 

> > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

 

> >

 

> > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

 

> >

 

> > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

 

> which is

 

> >

 

> > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha

 

> and

 

> >

 

> > > Jeeva

 

> >

 

> > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

 

> alone. "

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence

 

> of

 

> >

 

> > > AD in

 

> >

 

> > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

 

> right

 

> >

 

> > > of

 

> >

 

> > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

 

> containing

 

> >

 

> > > 37

 

> >

 

> > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

 

> >

 

> > > These

 

> >

 

> > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

 

> KCD, we

 

> >

 

> > > may

 

> >

 

> > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

 

> of

 

> >

 

> > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

 

> read

 

> >

 

> > > > > properly.

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > -VJ

 

> >

 

> > > > > > ============ ========= ===

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

 

> Pada.

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

 

> >

 

> > > swami.rcs@

 

> >

 

> > > > > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Dear VJ,

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

 

> next

 

> >

 

> > > > > Sequence

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

 

> Pada.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has

 

> 56

 

> >

 

> > > Stanza

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working

 

> of

 

> >

 

> > > AD is

 

> >

 

> > > > > very important.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > With regards.

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > RCS

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > To All :

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > > > -VJ

 

> >

 

> > > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

> >

 

> > > > > >

 

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Dear Vinay_jee,

 

Yes humanity still has a fair amount of time! Even by Sri Yukteshwar Giri's

reckoning which baffles many -- as does the ayanamsha that 'astronomical books'

were following, as also the 54 " annual rate of progression that he shared with

us all in The Holy Science -- primarily written for a specific purpose in 1894

-- as clearly stated by Yogananda's Gurujee.

 

In fact, even if we all who are chattering away wisely here and elsewhere were

to be suddenly decimated into our 'elements' C, N, O, S and a bunch of other

pieces that belong to the periodic table, would that put CREATION to an end? Or

CREATIVITY...?

 

Sometimes the Puppeteer (whose performance it really is -- and not of the

puppet!) is so skilled, like some parents are -- that the puppet really carries

the show, and never manages to figure out who was pulling the strings and who

was really in control!

 

Either way, the PARENT/PUPPETEER wins because after all whose show it is, after

all?

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Human beings will fare according to theor own individual karmas, while

> countries will fare according to fixed laws of mundane jyotisha. During

> my school days, I wondered why most of the rich persons are born in rich

> countries !

>

> It is only the beginning of Kaliyuga. Only 5110 years have elapsed.

> 426890 years are yet to come, during which there will be nine more

> socalled Doomsdays.

>

> -VJ

> =============== ===

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

> chord!

> >

> > So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan

> and their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to

> progress or will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may

> be born in Japan or Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps

> insects shall rule the universe, yet again!!

> >

> > Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime --

> several perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Krishnan Ji,

> > >

> > > I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a

> remote

> > > place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is

> taking

> > > too much time.

> > >

> > > Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first

> love

> > > since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years

> ago

> > > when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

> > > Suryasiddhanta.

> > >

> > > The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

> > > khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think

> the

> > > worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World

> population

> > > will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

> > > Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the

> raashi

> > > of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

> > > Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha

> raashi.

> > > This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > =============== ===

> > > , Vattem Krishnan

> <bursar_99@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate

> > > Kalachakra dasa needs to be complemented.AS most of us show

> eagerness to

> > > apply mostly the Chara Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD

> application

> > > seems to work better in some cases(b4 and after war times) found to

> > > be more precise.Few people actually make effort to apply KCD

> and in

> > > this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

> > > > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development

> was

> > > made after thorough study of classsiclas,though it is mainly

> oriented

> > > towards surya siddhantic principles.Unfortunately my efforts to load

> and

> > > use on window Vista never gave me the personal satisfaction to

> > > understand the efficacy of software.Some of our JT members,however

> > > endorsed compliments.

> > > > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not

> be

> > > be taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor

> to

> > > take with grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop

> > > astrology in the present times shall definetely help those worried

> about

> > > apocalypse relating to 21st Dec. and remove all doubts that the

> order of

> > > the Nature is very much stable and nothing to apprehend catastophy.

> The

> > > recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and impending tectonic

> movements

> > > it is evident the world is under transformation.(but

> > > disintegration?)This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned

> > > money does not also seems to be secure.

> > > > Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in

> Virgo,with

> > > exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow

> > > beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble

> though he

> > > is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in

> rahu's

> > > Stabhisha.

> > > > The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

> > > that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and

> > > encouraging members from time to time.The benifit out of these

> crtical

> > > discussions Iam sure members will take them in right earnes and laud

> all

> > > those with penchant to do write some thing different from routine

> and

> > > explore all the past base and make the knowledge reachable to common

> > > man.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

> > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

> > > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as

> insulting. I

> > > was basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what

> you

> > > were writing publicle and privately through internet.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet.

> What I

> > > wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of

> your

> > > many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as

> your

> > > academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about

> quite

> > > a few times., etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of

> the

> > > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

> > > preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably

> as we

> > > move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning

> (21-12-2012)

> > > , we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

> > > well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh

> of

> > > relief gained, I suppose.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > Baby-boomer

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@

> ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you

> have

> > > >

> > > > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration

> that

> > > >

> > > > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out

> your

> > > >

> > > > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

> > > myself

> > > >

> > > > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others,

> with

> > > my

> > > >

> > > > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name

> in

> > > >

> > > > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

> > > panchangas. I

> > > >

> > > > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine.

> My

> > > >

> > > > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

> > > sign of

> > > >

> > > > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

> > > recognized.

> > > >

> > > > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

> > > awarded

> > > >

> > > > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust

> for

> > > Fame

> > > >

> > > > > is poison to me.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for

> long

> > > years,

> > > >

> > > > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

> > > astrologers.

> > > >

> > > > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

> > > minority

> > > >

> > > > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

> > > result

> > > >

> > > > > of long years of tests.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

> > > properly

> > > >

> > > > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must

> function

> > > >

> > > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > > ============ ===== ===

> > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > >

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

> > > voiced

> > > >

> > > > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in

> general)

> > > do

> > > >

> > > > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not

> listen

> > > to

> > > >

> > > > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now

> please

> > > >

> > > > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on

> the

> > > sense

> > > >

> > > > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you

> on

> > > >

> > > > > internet might have made similar observations too.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance

> towards

> > > one

> > > >

> > > > > person (you!).

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

> > > other

> > > >

> > > > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant

> chords

> > > >

> > > > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again,

> I am

> > > not

> > > >

> > > > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but

> was

> > > just

> > > >

> > > > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And

> you

> > > have

> > > >

> > > > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method

> of

> > > >

> > > > > working

> > > >

> > > > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

> > > method of

> > > >

> > > > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

> > > answered.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question

> s :

> > > >

> > > > > " Please

> > > >

> > > > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> Sequence of

> > > >

> > > > > dasa

> > > >

> > > > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To

> it,

> > > I

> > > >

> > > > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > > elucidation

> > > >

> > > > > of

> > > >

> > > > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to

> see

> > > the

> > > >

> > > > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and

> my

> > > >

> > > > > article

> > > >

> > > > > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > >

> > > > > " antardashaa " .

> > > >

> > > > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a

> part

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > > verses

> > > >

> > > > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

> > > rightly

> > > >

> > > > > felt

> > > >

> > > > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed

> to

> > > pick

> > > >

> > > > > up

> > > >

> > > > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced

> into

> > > KCD.

> > > >

> > > > > PVR

> > > >

> > > > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion,

> after

> > > >

> > > > > which I

> > > >

> > > > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to

> bring

> > > out

> > > >

> > > > > the

> > > >

> > > > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared

> to

> > > >

> > > > > notice,

> > > >

> > > > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked

> out

> > > in

> > > >

> > > > > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > > > > ============ ==== ===

> > > >

> > > > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > >

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS

> does

> > > not

> > > >

> > > > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me

> where

> > > >

> > > > > BPHS

> > > >

> > > > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > >

> > > > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition.

> I

> > > am

> > > >

> > > > > sure

> > > >

> > > > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > >

> > > > > > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

> > > Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

> of

> > > >

> > > > > those

> > > >

> > > > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and

> How

> > > you

> > > >

> > > > > move

> > > >

> > > > > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The

> method of

> > > AD

> > > >

> > > > > has

> > > >

> > > > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

> > > deduce

> > > >

> > > > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in

> understanding my

> > > >

> > > > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion

> about

> > > >

> > > > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

> > > which is

> > > >

> > > > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati,

> Deha

> > > and

> > > >

> > > > > Jeeva

> > > >

> > > > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > > alone. "

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the

> existence

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > > AD in

> > > >

> > > > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may

> be

> > > right

> > > >

> > > > > of

> > > >

> > > > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

> > > containing

> > > >

> > > > > 37

> > > >

> > > > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on

> KCD.

> > > >

> > > > > These

> > > >

> > > > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

> > > KCD, we

> > > >

> > > > > may

> > > >

> > > > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their

> method

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have

> not

> > > read

> > > >

> > > > > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

> a

> > > Pada.

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > , " R C

> Srivastava "

> > > >

> > > > > swami.rcs@

> > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it

> .

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

> > > next

> > > >

> > > > > > > Sequence

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN

> a

> > > Pada.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS

> has

> > > 56

> > > >

> > > > > Stanza

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct

> working

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > > AD is

> > > >

> > > > > > > very important.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > With regards.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > RCS

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra-

> dashaa

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Krishnan dada,

 

Please tell us more about the *drikdrishti* theory you mentioned about towards

the end of your message (quoted below).

 

Very early on in my pursuance of astrology, SAMBANDHA in the horoscope became a

crucial point of attention for me and that is where SYNTHESIS became such an

important point-of-focus. Drishti (when eyes meet) is very synthetic, of course.

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> It is only micro organisms that will have a longer life over arthropods or

milli/centipeds.The fast changing climate and emissions make humans with shileds

looking like scietific Avatasrs.

> Insects,I mean UFO's ruling of course a scientific version.Like Man with a

Calti Ka Naam gadi is also Chatushpada.The over take or scientific explosion put

man behind .so the waning of the homosapiens is the question of time,say distant

end of Kaliyuga.

> Having to be a japanee or Iraquee in the next birth will be a major wish,as in

India it is develop...... " ing "

> other nations like Korea(except congo) including Iraq,japan and the lattest

Afganisthan are having less of history and Nations in making will no doubt

emerge further will have a major say in Global matters.

> China and Congo may still be there what the histories of these countries

convey.Of course not even century hold has hopes but yet in baking stage.The

cake before it is made is target for many to cut and celebrate.yet the land of

Ganga,Jamna may boast of very 5th and 9th house.But drikdrishti theory may

further fail these hopes.

> Exception seems to be the Vikruti Nanam samvatsaram where orderliness is

predicted for this nation to progress and bring reforms.Not Certainly women's

Reservation Bill nor the debated Nuclear bill of the past.

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Sun, 3/7/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:56 AM

>

 

>

>

>

I ask this, because some of the things you wrote, Vinay_jee, struck a

chord!

>

>

>

> So is it the COUNTRIES (China, Korea, India, Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan and

their political situations and economies etc...) that are going to progress or

will the human-individuals who may be Indian today but may be born in Japan or

Iraq, in their very next lifetime! Or perhaps insects shall rule the universe,

yet again!!

>

>

>

> Something tells me that there is going to be a next lifetime -- several

perhaps because KALIYUGA is not fully done yet!

>

>

>

> What do you think?

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Krishnan Ji,

>

> >

>

> > I am trying to update my software making platforms. I live in a remote

>

> > place and I get pirated things at company prices. Hence, it is taking

>

> > too much time.

>

> >

>

> > Earlier, I had worked with physical astronomy, which was my first love

>

> > since I was 11 years old. I gave it up in astrology nearly 12 years ago

>

> > when I got irrefutable proofs of " astrological " fitness of

>

> > Suryasiddhanta.

>

> >

>

> > The world is certainly heading towards a major sea change (first

>

> > khanda-kalpa of present Kaliyuga), but it is not a Doomsday. I think the

>

> > worst is over and we are heading towards better days. World population

>

> > will decrease henceforth and Kaalachakra is moving backwards : from

>

> > Japan to Korea, then to China and finally to India's rise in the raashi

>

> > of Vrish, and from USA-Canada to Western Europe, then to south-east

>

> > Europe (Rome, Greece) and then to Egypt and Sudan in the Simha raashi.

>

> > This Drikpakshiya theory has not fully survived.

>

> >

>

> > -VJ

>

> > ============ === ===

>

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

>

> > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Sir,

>

> > > The ongoing discussion and the initiative taken to elaborate

>

> > Kalachakra dasa needs to be complemented. AS most of us show eagerness to

>

> > apply mostly the Chara Dasa or Vimshottari though KCD application

>

> > seems to work better in some cases(b4 and after war times) found to

>

> > be more precise.Few people actually make effort to apply KCD and in

>

> > this context Shri Vinay Ji efforts are laudible.

>

> > > His software too should enhance the enthusiasm as the development was

>

> > made after thorough study of classsiclas, though it is mainly oriented

>

> > towards surya siddhantic principles.Unfortun ately my efforts to load and

>

> > use on window Vista never gave me the personal satisfaction to

>

> > understand the efficacy of software.Some of our JT members,however

>

> > endorsed compliments.

>

> > > The criticism for and against these initiative of Shri VJ need not be

>

> > be taken with grin as they r not meant towards personal efforts nor to

>

> > take with grin.Certainly his contribution to educate and develop

>

> > astrology in the present times shall definetely help those worried about

>

> > apocalypse relating to 21st Dec. and remove all doubts that the order of

>

> > the Nature is very much stable and nothing to apprehend catastophy. The

>

> > recent unexpected events in chile,Japan and impending tectonic movements

>

> > it is evident the world is under transformation. (but

>

> > disintegration? )This feeling emerges more when people's hard earned

>

> > money does not also seems to be secure.

>

> > > Be the Mars in Cancer,Ketu in Gemini aspect ed by Saturn in Virgo,with

>

> > exalted venus in Pisces.Religious sentiments certainly getting brow

>

> > beaten.and the soothsayer known as Devaguru seems to be feeble though he

>

> > is out from debilitation but shadowed with Guru Chandal Yoga in rahu's

>

> > Stabhisha.

>

> > > The worried worls need some sigh of relief and is certainly a hope

>

> > that can come through with the efforts being made by our members and

>

> > encouraging members from time to time.The benifit out of these crtical

>

> > discussions Iam sure members will take them in right earnes and laud all

>

> > those with penchant to do write some thing different from routine and

>

> > explore all the past base and make the knowledge reachable to common

>

> > man.

>

> > >

>

> > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

>

> > services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can

>

> > Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Sat, 3/6/10, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

>

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> > >

>

> > > Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:14 PM

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Â

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > I feel saddned that you choose to take my words as insulting. I

>

> > was basing my statements on what I had been observing based on what you

>

> > were writing publicle and privately through internet.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Obviously, all I can know of you is what I see on the internet. What I

>

> > wrote, therefore, should not reasonably be taken as indicative of your

>

> > many wonderful, and unique qualities and motivations etc such as your

>

> > academic achievements, panchaangs etc that you have told us about quite

>

> > a few times., etc.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > As to the popularity of your software resulting in detriment of the

>

> > world -- we all can only humbly thank you for working towards the

>

> > preservation of this world which is already suffering and probably as we

>

> > move towards the date which many are apocalypticly warning (21-12-2012)

>

> > , we will be facing increasing challenges and warnings against the

>

> > well-being of the earth and its dwellers. One worry less is one sigh of

>

> > relief gained, I suppose.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > >

>

> > > Baby-boomer

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

>

> > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Rohiniranjan Ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Your recent comments are simply misplaced and insulting ( " you have

>

> > >

>

> > > > consistently voiced your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that

>

> > >

>

> > > > people (in general) do not read your articles, do not try out your

>

> > >

>

> > > > software, do not listen to the truth " ).

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > You do not know me, mainly because I am not interested in making

>

> > myself

>

> > >

>

> > > > known. Majority of my articles have been published by others, with

>

> > my

>

> > >

>

> > > > consent. None of the nine panchangas made by me carries my name in

>

> > >

>

> > > > editor boards, and none of those editors do anything in my

>

> > panchangas. I

>

> > >

>

> > > > have guided four PhDs in four subjects, but refused to get mine. My

>

> > >

>

> > > > consistent refusal to get recognition is miscontrued by you as a

>

> > sign of

>

> > >

>

> > > > " disappointment, chagrin, frustration " for failing to get

>

> > recognized.

>

> > >

>

> > > > Recently I tore away (not in anger) certificates of recognition

>

> > awarded

>

> > >

>

> > > > to me at astrological conferences at Patna and Allahabad. Lust for

>

> > Fame

>

> > >

>

> > > > is poison to me.

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > I consistently refused to upload my software on internet for long

>

> > years,

>

> > >

>

> > > > because I knew the idiosyncracy of a majority of internet

>

> > astrologers.

>

> > >

>

> > > > But this prejudiced majority should not prevent the open minded

>

> > minority

>

> > >

>

> > > > from using what I know is correct. It is not my belief, but the

>

> > result

>

> > >

>

> > > > of long years of tests.

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > You know many things but one : the world will cease to function

>

> > properly

>

> > >

>

> > > > if Kundalee Software becomes widely popular. The world must function

>

> > >

>

> > > > properly.

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> > > > ============ ===== ===

>

> > >

>

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

>

> > >

>

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Dear Vinay_jee,

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > The refrain sounds familiar. Earlier too you have consistently

>

> > voiced

>

> > >

>

> > > > your disappointment, chagrin, frustration that people (in general)

>

> > do

>

> > >

>

> > > > not read your articles, do not try out your software, do not listen

>

> > to

>

> > >

>

> > > > the truth about how astrology must be done or calculated. Now please

>

> > >

>

> > > > understand that I am not quoting you but paraphrasing based on the

>

> > sense

>

> > >

>

> > > > I get and I hope others who are observing and experiencing you on

>

> > >

>

> > > > internet might have made similar observations too.

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > It is pretty depressing to see such collective resistance towards

>

> > one

>

> > >

>

> > > > person (you!).

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > You are a wise person, a professor, a yogi and astrologer. In

>

> > other

>

> > >

>

> > > > words someone well-equipped to figure out why this dissonant chords

>

> > >

>

> > > > between your work and the internet consumers/users! Once again, I am

>

> > not

>

> > >

>

> > > > telling you what you must do (I know you are a big boy!) -- but was

>

> > just

>

> > >

>

> > > > wondering why this is happening or rather occuring to you! And you

>

> > have

>

> > >

>

> > > > never been abusive or unreasonable in your expressions either!

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Wonder what is going on! Very intriguing.. .!

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Best regards,

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > , " VJha " vinayjhaa16@

>

> > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

>

> > >

>

> > > > working

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

>

> > method of

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

>

> > answered.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

>

> > >

>

> > > > " Please

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

>

> > >

>

> > > > dasa

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it,

>

> > I

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

>

> > elucidation

>

> > >

>

> > > > of

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

>

> > the

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

>

> > >

>

> > > > article

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > properly.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

>

> > >

>

> > > > " antardashaa " .

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

>

> > of

>

> > >

>

> > > > verses

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

>

> > rightly

>

> > >

>

> > > > felt

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

>

> > pick

>

> > >

>

> > > > up

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > this point, but you helped him out.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

>

> > KCD.

>

> > >

>

> > > > PVR

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

>

> > >

>

> > > > which I

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

>

> > out

>

> > >

>

> > > > the

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

>

> > >

>

> > > > notice,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

>

> > in

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Kundalee Software.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > ============ ==== ===

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > Dear Vinay,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

>

> > not

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

>

> > >

>

> > > > BPHS

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

>

> > am

>

> > >

>

> > > > sure

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > So RC ji is right.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > Regards,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > -

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > VJha

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and

>

> > Sub-periods

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > To RCS :

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

>

> > >

>

> > > > those

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

>

> > you

>

> > >

>

> > > > move

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > to next Sequence " .

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

>

> > AD

>

> > >

>

> > > > has

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

>

> > deduce

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

>

> > which is

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha

>

> > and

>

> > >

>

> > > > Jeeva

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

>

> > alone. "

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence

>

> > of

>

> > >

>

> > > > AD in

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

>

> > right

>

> > >

>

> > > > of

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

>

> > containing

>

> > >

>

> > > > 37

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

>

> > >

>

> > > > These

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

>

> > KCD, we

>

> > >

>

> > > > may

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

>

> > of

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

>

> > read

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > properly.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > ============ ========= ===

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

>

> > Pada.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

>

> > >

>

> > > > swami.rcs@

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Dear VJ,

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to

>

> > next

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > Sequence

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

>

> > Pada.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has

>

> > 56

>

> > >

>

> > > > Stanza

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working

>

> > of

>

> > >

>

> > > > AD is

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > very important.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > With regards.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > RCS

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > To All :

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

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> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

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Dear Sir,

1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and also on DEHA

and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is there.Further nakshtra pada also

decides commencement of Dasa .For ex bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned by

Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as antar dasa also floows same order working out

paramyu as 86yrs.

2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based Kalchakradasa.But some

how the working out of dasa of KCD has three methods as explained by BVR in his

book.

It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences.Like wise

application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some opine if

venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct steps.1.Mandooka2.Markata and

3.Simhavalokana,keeping basically svaya and apasavya clasification of Nakshtras.

3.//4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per KCD scheme

this is Correct.

4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems to be

typographical mistake.

 

 

 

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services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

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Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:10 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay,

 

 

 

I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists. Yet,

I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you wrote. I

merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS and gave

you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have them.

 

 

 

You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of antardasha

by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that can lead

the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the same

edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention of

antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

 

 

 

Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty unambiguously

and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is saying. I too

think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in about drawing

of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you have given

something called

 

 

 

Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced likewise

according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD as the

first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

 

 

 

May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order begins

from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that

is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does it fit

in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari

scheme?

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

-

 

VJha

 

 

Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

 

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

 

Mr Chandrashekhar,

 

 

 

Without reading my article in which I described the method of working

 

out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

 

making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

 

 

 

RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

 

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa

 

once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

 

replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

 

those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

 

point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article

 

properly.

 

 

 

BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

 

The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

 

written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

 

that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up

 

this point, but you helped him out.

 

 

 

Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

 

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I

 

provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the

 

original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice,

 

including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

 

Kundalee Software.

 

 

 

-VJ

 

============ ==== ===

 

, " Chandrashekhar "

 

<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Vinay,

 

>

 

> I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

 

mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS

 

has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

 

>

 

> Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

 

kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure

 

you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

 

>

 

> So RC ji is right.

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

> Chandrashekhar.

 

> -

 

> VJha

 

>

 

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

 

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> To RCS :

 

>

 

> The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

 

very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move

 

to next Sequence " .

 

>

 

> It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has

 

already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

 

Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

 

comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

 

Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

 

seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

 

>

 

> I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva

 

and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

 

>

 

> Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

 

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

 

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

 

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

 

results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may

 

assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

 

computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

 

properly.

 

>

 

> -VJ

 

> ============ ========= ===

 

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

>

 

> , " R C Srivastava " swami.rcs@

 

wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear VJ,

 

> > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

 

> > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

 

Sequence

 

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

> > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

 

> > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is

 

very important.

 

> > With regards.

 

> > RCS

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

> > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

 

> > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

 

> >

 

> > To All :

 

> >

 

> > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

 

> >

 

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

 

> >

 

> > -VJ

 

> >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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Vinayji,

 

I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason I usually

do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

 

I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no need to do

so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing quotes to you. That

you choose to change your stand from mail to mail makes it difficult to continue

this argument. But for the record in the mail to RC you also said

" Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? The

very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of wrong. BPHS has a

separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37 verse, besides 55 verses

about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These results are about MD. "

 

So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I give you

shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want to go off on a

tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on your stand and say " I

still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly "

guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare

bhaume... " if the word antar is not mentioning antardasha, what does is it

mentioning and where is the guess work on part of Sitaram Jha?

 

Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should follow

Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara

says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari. " Why not give the

shloka and chapter number and verse number to support your argument? That would

support what you are saying.

 

I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any relevance

here.

 

You have still not answered my original question of variation of antardasha

order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with different order, that

I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order of antardasha given by you

matches and also indicate why it would not match the Karka Mahadasha order for

the nakshatra given and also what Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle

follows the order that you suggest where with antardasha following the same

order would be " 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of

us to learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

saying?

 

I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that they are

quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting what you say and

they do not read your article does not prove your point at all. I do not create

any sort of astro software so I do not have any reason to distort anyone's

statements.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

-

VJha

Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

 

You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I wrote

:

 

<<<

BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

that the topic was on AD.

>>>

 

I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word " rightly "

and tried to distort my statement.

 

Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of " editor " .

Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

" Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya " . Why you assume all editors are

unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

" Kaalachakra-dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled as

AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and PrD.

In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced

according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

must be lower periods. In the chapter " Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya "

which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

" Kaalachakra-antardashaa-phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all twelve

raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I take it

for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs for

raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been so,

the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

beginning of this chapter.

 

My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used when

you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not one's

aim.

 

Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread, I

had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private email

ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given under

the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I copied

parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start any

discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part of

my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada of

Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported. BPHS

gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi-2 was missing in

BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should be

reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery. Since

the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi-2 (10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3), I gave an

example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there will be

twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage to

clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary of

all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the basic

scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was to

prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi-2 :

10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath and

against Sri Jyoti Star.

 

-VJ

================= ====

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on

lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read

out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are

mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you specifically

said that BPHS does not have them.

>

> You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of

antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the verse

at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- "

is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

>

> Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what

he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to

be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme.

But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of KCD'S

Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

>

> Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced

likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have

Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka :

4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

>

> May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha

order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows

the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner Parashara

told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Mr Chandrashekhar,

>

> Without reading my article in which I described the method of

working

> out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

> making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

>

> RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

" Please

> educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

dasa

> once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation

of

> those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

article

> properly.

>

> BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

" antardashaa " .

> The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

verses

> written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

felt

> that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

up

> this point, but you helped him out.

>

> Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD.

PVR

> Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

which I

> provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

the

> original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

notice,

> including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> Kundalee Software.

>

> -VJ

> ================ ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay,

> >

> > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

BPHS

> has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> >

> > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

sure

> you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> >

> > So RC ji is right.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > To RCS :

> >

> > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

> very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you

move

> to next Sequence " .

> >

> > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

has

> already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

> seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> >

> > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

Jeeva

> and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

> >

> > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

These

> results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we

may

> assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

> computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

> properly.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ===================== ===

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> >

> > , " R C Srivastava "

swami.rcs@

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear VJ,

> > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> Sequence

> > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

Stanza

> > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD

is

> very important.

> > > With regards.

> > > RCS

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > >

> > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Krishnan,

 

I think there is more confusion about Kalchakra dasha than any other dasha

simply because though it is called as one of the important dashas, people tend

to find more than what is there in it. You are right there are basically three

Gatis, but now it seems people are inventing more gatis or giving the old ones

new names. That is good to see in print but I doubt if it helps.

 

People tend to argue more about what is right than taking pains to read that

which is clearly stated. The use of the dasha is simple if one understands it

right.

 

As a matter of fact I began penning a book on it, and it is half complete but

since I am at present translating one of my own books under direction from

Mahamandaleshwar of a respected Akhada, that has taken a back seat.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

-

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Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:55 PM

Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

1Since nakshtra r basically savya(15) and apasavya(12) based and also on DEHA

and Jeeva accordingly some ambiguity is KCD is there.Further nakshtra pada also

decides commencement of Dasa .For ex bharani 4th,the order is as mentioned by

Shri Chandrsekhar Ji.where as antar dasa also floows same order working out

paramyu as 86yrs.

2.Parasara certainly has also taken dasa visleshan based Kalchakradasa.But

some how the working out of dasa of KCD has three methods as explained by BVR in

his book.

It appears,some problem in interpretation lead to differences.Like wise

application of KCD for anlysis also there were different views.Some opine if

venus is strong in natal chart or based on Moon if strong etc.

In KCD dasaa basically proceed by three distinct steps.1.Mandooka2.Markata and

3.Simhavalokana,keeping basically svaya and apasavya clasification of Nakshtras.

3.//4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka?//As per KCD

scheme this is Correct.

4. //But then I see you have given something called...//There seems to be

typographical mistake.

 

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services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets

are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

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Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:10 PM

 

 

 

Dear Vinay,

 

I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially on lists.

Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not read out what you

wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha are mentioned in BPHS

and gave you the page number since you specifically said that BPHS does not have

them.

 

You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be of antardasha

by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any verses that can lead

the editors to it. You may like to read the verse at page 380 of the same

edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare bhaume---- " is written and the mention of

antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

 

Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out what he is

saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought to be brought in

about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD scheme. But then I see you

have given something called

 

Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be deduced likewise

according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will have Karka AD as the

first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka : 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

 

May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the dasha order

begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and

9, that is it begins with Karka? If it follows the order given by you , how does

it fit in with the manner Parashara told to look at the Antardasha in

Vimshottari scheme?

 

Regards,

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

 

VJha

 

 

Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

 

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

Mr Chandrashekhar,

 

Without reading my article in which I described the method of working

 

out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method of

 

making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

 

RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s : " Please

 

educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of dasa

 

once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

 

replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

 

those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

 

point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my article

 

properly.

 

BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word " antardashaa " .

 

The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of verses

 

written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly felt

 

that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick up

 

this point, but you helped him out.

 

Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into KCD. PVR

 

Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after which I

 

provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out the

 

original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to notice,

 

including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

 

Kundalee Software.

 

-VJ

 

============ ==== ===

 

, " Chandrashekhar "

 

<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Vinay,

 

>

 

> I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

 

mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where BPHS

 

has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

 

>

 

> Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

 

kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am sure

 

you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

 

>

 

> So RC ji is right.

 

>

 

> Regards,

 

> Chandrashekhar.

 

> -

 

> VJha

 

>

 

> Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

 

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> To RCS :

 

>

 

> The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of those

 

very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How you move

 

to next Sequence " .

 

>

 

> It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD has

 

already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

 

Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

 

comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

 

Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which is

 

seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

 

>

 

> I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva

 

and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD alone. "

 

>

 

> Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

 

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

 

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

 

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

 

results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD, we may

 

assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

 

computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

 

properly.

 

>

 

> -VJ

 

> ============ ========= ===

 

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

>

 

> , " R C Srivastava " swami.rcs@

 

wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear VJ,

 

> > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

 

> > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

 

Sequence

 

> > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

 

> > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza

 

> > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of AD is

 

very important.

 

> > With regards.

 

> > RCS

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

> > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

 

> > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

 

> >

 

> > To All :

 

> >

 

> > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

 

> >

 

> > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

 

> >

 

> > -VJ

 

> >

 

>

 

>

 

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Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

 

What's special in reinventing wheels, almost all the editors explained

ways of calculating KCD dasha period.

 

Pls read Padmnabha Sharma's teeka on BPHS for your betterment.

 

Also read phaladeepika's KCD chapter, no use keeping it in collection

without reading it.

 

Utkal.

 

 

 

 

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the

goal. Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to

Antardasha when I had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather

Kheladilal edition? So now why the sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha

edition? Any way the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

the shloka you quote does not say so.

>

> I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the

Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please

do not assume that everybody other than you is unaware of the different

editions of BPHS in existence.

>

> You are again referring to the other threads on which you have

written, whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was

restricted to the original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of

KCD are not mentioned but Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

>

> I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are

now attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your

mail. It is apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question

and skirting it by writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote

Devchandra Jha commentary in your support and then again say it is not

complete. If that is so, why the insistence that one should only

interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said there.

>

> I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS,

that gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have

brought up that subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system,

as indicated by Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why

and how Vakya differs from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem

to imply that you are the only authority on KCD and imply that others

have not read any texts. That may help jyotish fraternity more than this

jumping from one text to other.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You wrote :

>

> <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse

88

> in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of

BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of

BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given

up

> this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by

Pt

> Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and

two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those

threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at

a

> loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> collection of various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not

written

> any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book

of

> 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you

are

> free to find additional sins in me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief

in

> certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As

for

> RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

>

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

>

> -VJ

> ================ ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very

reason

> I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in

the

> mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you

want

> to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS,

but

> Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the

guess

> work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> relevance here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the

order

> of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> " 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or

that

> they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your

point

> at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have

any

> reason to distort anyone's statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> wrote

> > :

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> " rightly "

> > and tried to distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> " editor " .

> > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > " Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > " Kaalachakra-dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> PrD.

> > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> deduced

> > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> " Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya "

> > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra-antardashaa-phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> twelve

> > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> take it

> > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> for

> > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> so,

> > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> when

> > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> one's

> > aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> I

> > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> email

> > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> under

> > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> copied

> > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> of

> > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> of

> > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> BPHS

> > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi-2 was missing in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> be

> > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> Since

> > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi-2 (10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3), I gave

> an

> > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> will be

> > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> of

> > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> basic

> > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> to

> > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi-2 :

> > 10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> and

> > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ================= ====

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> on

> > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> read

> > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> are

> > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> specifically

> > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > >

> > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> of

> > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> verse

> > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> bhaume---- "

> > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > >

> > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> what

> > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> to

> > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> scheme.

> > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> KCD'S

> > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

> > >

> > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> deduced

> > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> have

> > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> :

> > 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > >

> > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> dasha

> > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > 4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> follows

> > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> Parashara

> > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > working

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> of

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > >

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > " Please

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > dasa

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> > of

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > article

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > up

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> > PVR

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > which I

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > the

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > notice,

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ================ ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > BPHS

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > sure

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> > move

> > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > has

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> is

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > Jeeva

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> > > >

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> AD

> > in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> > of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > These

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> we

> > may

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > >

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > swami.rcs@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > Sequence

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > Stanza

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> AD

> > is

> > > very important.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RCS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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To GB Prashant Ji and Chandrashekhar Ji :

 

Mr Chandrashekhar Ji makes a fine statement : " people are more

interested in maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish " .

 

But he says to me : " you seem to imply that you are the only authority

on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. "

 

Where I said I am the only authority on KCD. When did I say others have

not read any texts ? Why Mr Chandrashekhar is making false statements

on my behalf ? Is his tyle of discussing " finer points of jyotish "

???

 

I am surprised with his false claims : " I have many more editions of

BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with

all the 1000 chapters. " Why he does not name the publisher of such a

non-existent edition of BPHS ??

 

He also says : " the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

the shloka you quote does not say so. He lacks the knowledge of

Sanskrit, hence I am quoting the original Sanskrit verse as well as its

Hindi translation in Chowkhamba edition :

 

" Labdham bhukta-varshaadi bhogyam tasmaat prasaadhyet / Vimshottareeva

raasheenaam navaanaamstat-mahaadashaa. "

 

= " tasmaat (ie,remainder of computations mentioned in earlier verse)

bhogya varshaadi laakar Vimshottari ki tarah agrim raasheeyon ki

mahaadashaa lagaani chaahiye " .

 

My translation : From the remainder of computations mentioned in

earlier verse, find the remaining years from the elapsed years and like

the Vimshottari find out the mahadashaa of coming nine raashis.

 

Why Mr Chandrashekhar misleads this forum by deliberately

mis-translating this verse ?? He can take the help of any Sanskrit or

Hindi scholar if he does not know these languages. All editions of BPHS

do not contain this verse, but it does not mean Mr Chandrashekhar should

distort the meaning of this verse. The Hindi meaning given above was

given by Pt Devachandra Jha, a reputed Sanskrit scholar, which is

published by Chowkhamba, world's largest publisher of indological books.

 

Above example shows Mr Chandrashekhar did not read this edition of

BPHS. But the following example of his " erudition " proves Mr

Chandrashekhar did not read any edition of BPHS carefully.

 

I was told at the beginning of this thread by RCS : " BPHS has 56 Stanza

describing results of AD alone. "

 

It is a wrong statement which convinced me RCS had not properly read

BPHS. The actual number of verses is 58 and not 56 which describe the

results of KCD's AD alone. To test whether RCS actually read BPHS

carefully or not, I posted the following message which was a trap (I

laid this trap to test the depth of members in this thread because I was

getting weird messages concerning this thread at my private email ID) :

 

" Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,we may

assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

properly. "

 

This passage did not mention that there are three chapters on KCD in

BPHS, of which one (Kaalachakra-navaamsha-phalaadhyaaya) is present at

different locations in some editions. In above para, I mentioned only

two chapters of BPHS containing 55 and 37 verses about KCD (ie,

dashaa-bhedaadhyaaya and Kaalachakra-navaamsha-phalaadhyaaya). The third

chapter Kaalachakra-antardashaa-phalaadhyaaya contains 58 verses which

Mr RCS and Mr Chandrashekhar have certainly seen, but I was told by

them that this chapter has only 56 stanzas. Stanza is a collection of

verses. RCS ought to have written 56 verses and not 56 stanzas. Why he

failed to count 58 and reported 56 only ?? Why Mr Chandrashekhar failed

to report that Vinay Jha is ignorant of three chapters in BPHS and knows

only two chapters ?? Thus, he failed the test. Did he not know how many

chapters are in BPHS about KCD ??

 

RCS is a good person. I have no grudge against him, or against Mr

Chandrashekhar either. The only point is that Mr Chandrashekhar is a

careless reader who hurries to conclusions without caring to read a

thread or a book properly.

 

I said earlier that I am not going to describe KCD in detail at present,

because I am going to deliver lectures at four conferences in two

universities in UP, followed by Haridwar and Delhi. This statement

does not mean I know everything. No one in this forum knows everything.

It is not me but Mr Chandrashekhar who claims to have read all

non-existent 1000 chapters of BPHS !! He cannot show proofs of even

one-tenth of this number. This extravagant statement means all others in

the world know only 97 or 98 or 99 chapters of BPHS, while Mr

Chandrashekhar knows 1000 chapters !! Yet this person charges me to be

" maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish " . Mr

Chandrashekhar is a person unable to understand a single line in BPHS

( " Vimshottareeva raasheenaam navaanaamstat-mahaadashaa " ), yet deems

himself an authority on KCD because he writes books on KCD !! An

authority on BPHS must learn, at least, how to read Sanskrit texts of

Jyotisha, because reliance on translators leads to pitfalls.

 

-VJ

=================== ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant Kumar,

>

> Is that so? That is why I got mail from Utkal when I wrote a

rejoinder to Vinayji. Seems like there are too many fake ids on the

lists these days.

>

> That is so sad. it seems these days people are more interested in

maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:06 AM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekar ji,Members

>

> u must know Lalit Misra alias Utkal panigrahi has one and only one

goal that he is the only one in the universe be it from any bygone

Yoga/era to now who knows all as he is in direct contact to a mother and

who tells him what to do, rest of them r jukt to ro be mud slinged,

maligned, abused by him again the only one who is empowered to do so....

> and now he has been targeting PVN ji on several counts it is a pity

that one can descend to such lows not all his messages r worthy of group

reading hence this msg.

> he wont spare any living or dead astrologer,scholar so no big deal

if u read any abusive mails in any fake NAME. if they get approved it is

a mistake but not a intention to malign any member here

>

> as all old members r free -unmoderated and every group has such

parasites-using fake ID's so be prepared and also know we can deal with

them with composure, poise as always

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

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>

> ________________________________

> Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar

>

> Mon, March 8, 2010 10:37:58 PM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the

goal. Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to

Antardasha when I had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather

Kheladilal edition? So now why the sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha

edition? Any way the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

the shloka you quote does not say so.

>

> I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the

Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please

do not assume that everybody other than you is unaware of the different

editions of BPHS in existence.

>

> You are again referring to the other threads on which you have

written, whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was

restricted to the original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of

KCD are not mentioned but Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

>

> I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and

are now attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in

your mail. It is apparent you do not believe in answering a direct

question and skirting it by writing voluminous mails. On the one hand

you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in your support and then again say

it is not complete. If that is so, why the insistence that one should

only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said there.

>

> I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS,

that gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have

brought up that subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system,

as indicated by Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why

and how Vakya differs from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem

to imply that you are the only authority on KCD and imply that others

have not read any texts. That may help jyotish fraternity more than this

jumping from one text to other.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You wrote :

>

> <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa "

(verse 88

> in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has

again

> convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of

BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of

BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not

given up

> this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by

Pt

> Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and

two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those

threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere

in

> the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some

pandit

> has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still

at a

> loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is

100%

> accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> collection of various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article

but

> merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not

written

> any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD,

I

> did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did

not

> explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu

book of

> 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has

not

> read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious

Telugu

> book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony

with

> BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD

is

> concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even

if

> you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence

of

> PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found

PVR's

> sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you

are

> free to find additional sins in me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker

has

> ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief

in

> certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not

my

> fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As

for

> RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he

was

> citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

>

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ==== ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:

> >

> > Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very

reason

> I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is

no

> need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to

mail

> makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in

the

> mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

These

> results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When

I

> give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you

want

> to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist

on

> your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS,

but

> Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain

what

> is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is

not

> mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the

guess

> work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas

should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> relevance here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas,

with

> different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the

order

> of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would

not

> match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also

what

> Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that

you

> suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of

us to

> learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or

that

> they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your

point

> at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have

any

> reason to distort anyone's statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> wrote

> > :

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> " rightly "

> > and tried to distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> " editor " .

> > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors

are

> > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic

at

> > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly

labeled

> as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> PrD.

> > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> deduced

> > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies

there

> > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of

all

> twelve

> > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> take it

> > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine

SDs

> for

> > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> so,

> > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

Pt

> > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > message because you brought my statements out of context and

changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> when

> > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> one's

> > aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that

thread,

> I

> > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> email

> > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> under

> > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> copied

> > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then,

I

> > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to

start

> any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a

part

> of

> > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with

his

> > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second

pada

> of

> > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> BPHS

> > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing

in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> be

> > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> Since

> > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I

gave

> an

> > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in

LCD.

> > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> will be

> > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time

to

> > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> of

> > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> basic

> > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article

was

> to

> > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> and

> > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ===== ====

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match,

especially

> on

> > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> read

> > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of

Kalchakradasha

> are

> > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> specifically

> > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > >

> > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> of

> > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write

any

> > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> verse

> > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> bhaume---- "

> > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any

doubt.

> > >

> > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas

pretty

> > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> what

> > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are

sought

> to

> > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> scheme.

> > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> KCD'S

> > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > >

> > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> deduced

> > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> have

> > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in

Karka

> :

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > >

> > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> dasha

> > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> follows

> > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> Parashara

> > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > working

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

method

> of

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

answered.

> > >

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > " Please

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > dasa

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> > of

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

the

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > article

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

pick

> > up

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> > PVR

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > which I

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

out

> > the

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > notice,

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

in

> > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ==== ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

not

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > BPHS

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

am

> > sure

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> > move

> > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

AD

> > has

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

deduce

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

which

> is

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > Jeeva

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> > > >

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> AD

> > in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> > of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

containing

> > 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > These

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

KCD,

> we

> > may

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > >

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > swami.rcs@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > Sequence

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > Stanza

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> AD

> > is

> > > very important.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RCS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Yes, KCD is well explained in various editions and commentaries of BPHS, in

Phaladeepikaa, etc. Hence, there is no use of re-inventing KCD by some modern

rishis.

 

-VJ

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wrote:

>

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> What's special in reinventing wheels, almost all the editors explained

> ways of calculating KCD dasha period.

>

> Pls read Padmnabha Sharma's teeka on BPHS for your betterment.

>

> Also read phaladeepika's KCD chapter, no use keeping it in collection

> without reading it.

>

> Utkal.

>

>

>

>

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinayji,

> >

> > You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the

> goal. Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to

> Antardasha when I had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather

> Kheladilal edition? So now why the sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha

> edition? Any way the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

> dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

> the shloka you quote does not say so.

> >

> > I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the

> Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please

> do not assume that everybody other than you is unaware of the different

> editions of BPHS in existence.

> >

> > You are again referring to the other threads on which you have

> written, whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was

> restricted to the original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of

> KCD are not mentioned but Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

> >

> > I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are

> now attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your

> mail. It is apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question

> and skirting it by writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote

> Devchandra Jha commentary in your support and then again say it is not

> complete. If that is so, why the insistence that one should only

> interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said there.

> >

> > I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS,

> that gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have

> brought up that subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system,

> as indicated by Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why

> and how Vakya differs from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem

> to imply that you are the only authority on KCD and imply that others

> have not read any texts. That may help jyotish fraternity more than this

> jumping from one text to other.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You wrote :

> >

> > <<<

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

> Vimshottari.

> > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

> support

> > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > >>>

> >

> > You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> > says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse

> 88

> > in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya). Please read it.

> >

> > Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> > convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> > editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> > this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of

> BPHS,

> > and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> > available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of

> BPHS.

> > No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given

> up

> > this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by

> Pt

> > Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> > therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and

> two

> > chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> > satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those

> threads.

> > Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> > the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> > famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> > has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at

> a

> > loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

> >

> > I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> > accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> > sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> > collection of various variants of BPHS.

> >

> > I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> > merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not

> written

> > any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> > did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> > explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book

> of

> > 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> > read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> > book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> > Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> > BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> > concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> > you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

> >

> > Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> > PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> > sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> > knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you

> are

> > free to find additional sins in me.

> >

> > You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> > have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> > ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> > deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief

> in

> > certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> > fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As

> for

> > RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> > citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

> >

> > All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ================ ===

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Vinayji,

> > >

> > > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very

> reason

> > I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> > >

> > > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> > need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> > quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> > makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in

> the

> > mail to RC you also said

> > > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

> in

> > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> > results are about MD. "

> > >

> > > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> > give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you

> want

> > to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> > your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS,

> but

> > Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> > is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> > mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the

> guess

> > work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> > >

> > > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> > follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> > Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

> Vimshottari.

> > " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

> support

> > your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> > >

> > > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> > relevance here.

> > >

> > > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> > antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> > different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the

> order

> > of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> > match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> > Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> > suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> > " 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> > learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> > saying?

> > >

> > > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or

> that

> > they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> > what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your

> point

> > at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have

> any

> > reason to distort anyone's statements.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> > >

> > > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> > wrote

> > > :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD.

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> > " rightly "

> > > and tried to distort my statement.

> > >

> > > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> > " editor " .

> > > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > > " Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > > " Kaalachakra-dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> > as

> > > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> > PrD.

> > > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> > deduced

> > > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> > " Kaalachakra-dashaa-phalaadhyaaya "

> > > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > > " Kaalachakra-antardashaa-phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> > twelve

> > > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> > take it

> > > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> > for

> > > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> > so,

> > > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > > beginning of this chapter.

> > >

> > > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> > when

> > > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> > one's

> > > aim.

> > >

> > > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> > I

> > > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> > email

> > > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> > under

> > > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> > copied

> > > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> > any

> > > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> > of

> > > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> > of

> > > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> > BPHS

> > > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi-2 was missing in

> > > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> > be

> > > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> > Since

> > > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi-2 (10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3), I gave

> > an

> > > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > > 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> > will be

> > > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> > to

> > > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> > of

> > > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> > basic

> > > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> > to

> > > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi-2 :

> > > 10,11,12,8,7,6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> > and

> > > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ================= ====

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> > on

> > > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> > read

> > > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> > are

> > > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> > specifically

> > > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > > >

> > > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> > of

> > > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> > verse

> > > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> > bhaume---- "

> > > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > > >

> > > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> > what

> > > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> > to

> > > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> > scheme.

> > > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> > KCD'S

> > > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6.

> > > >

> > > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> > deduced

> > > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> > have

> > > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> > :

> > > 4,5,3,10,11,12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > > >

> > > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> > dasha

> > > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > > 4,5,3,2,1,12,11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> > follows

> > > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> > Parashara

> > > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > > >

> > > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > > working

> > > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> > of

> > > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > > >

> > > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > > " Please

> > > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > > dasa

> > > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> > elucidation

> > > of

> > > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > > article

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > > " antardashaa " .

> > > > The title " kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > > verses

> > > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > > felt

> > > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > > up

> > > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > > >

> > > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> > KCD.

> > > PVR

> > > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > > which I

> > > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > > the

> > > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > > notice,

> > > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > > Kundalee Software.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ================ ===

> > > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > > BPHS

> > > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > > >

> > > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > > kalachakraantardashaaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > > sure

> > > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > > >

> > > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > -

> > > > > VJha

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To RCS :

> > > > >

> > > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> > those

> > > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> > you

> > > move

> > > > to next Sequence " .

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > > has

> > > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > > Shashthaashta-gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> > is

> > > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > > Jeeva

> > > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> > alone. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> > AD

> > > in

> > > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> > right

> > > of

> > > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > > 37

> > > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > > These

> > > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> > we

> > > may

> > > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> > of

> > > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> > read

> > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > ===================== ===

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > > swami.rcs@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > > Sequence

> > > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > > Stanza

> > > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> > AD

> > > is

> > > > very important.

> > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > > RCS

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To All :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Kalachakra-dashaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -VJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Prashant Ji,

 

Who is this Lalit Mishra ?? I have not read any of his bad mails. Did he leave

this forum before I joined ??

 

-VJ

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>

> Dear Chandrashekar ji,Members

>

>

> u must know Lalit Misra alias Utkal panigrahi has one and only one goal that

he is the only one in the universe be it from any bygone Yoga/era to now who

knows all as he is in direct contact to a mother and who tells him what to do,

rest of them r jukt to ro be mud slinged, maligned, abused by him again the only

one who is empowered to do so....

> and now he has been targeting PVN ji on several counts it is a pity that one

can descend to such lows not all his messages r worthy of group reading hence

this msg.

> he wont spare any living or dead astrologer,scholar so no big deal if u read

any abusive mails in any fake NAME. if they get approved it is a mistake but not

a intention to malign any member here

>

> as all old members r free -unmoderated and every group has such

parasites-using fake ID's so be prepared and also know we can deal with them

with composure, poise as always

>

>

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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>

> ________________________________

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

>

> Mon, March 8, 2010 10:37:58 PM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the goal. Was

it not you who first said that there is no reference to Antardasha when I had

given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather Kheladilal edition? So now why the

sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha edition? Any way the shloka you are

quoting does not say that Kalachakra dasha should be deduced in accordance with

Vimshottari dashas. At least the shloka you quote does not say so.

>

> I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta

Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please do not assume that

everybody other than you is unaware of the different editions of BPHS in

existence.

>

> You are again referring to the other threads on which you have written,

whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was restricted to the

original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of KCD are not mentioned but

Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

>

> I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and are now

attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in your mail. It is

apparent you do not believe in answering a direct question and skirting it by

writing voluminous mails. On the one hand you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in

your support and then again say it is not complete. If that is so, why the

insistence that one should only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said

there.

>

> I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS, that gives

Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have brought up that

subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system, as indicated by

Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why and how Vakya differs

from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem to imply that you are the

only authority on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. That may

help jyotish fraternity more than this jumping from one text to other.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You wrote :

>

> <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa " (verse 88

> in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has again

> convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not given up

> this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by Pt

> Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere in

> the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some pandit

> has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still at a

> loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is 100%

> accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> collection of various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article but

> merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not written

> any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD, I

> did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did not

> explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu book of

> 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has not

> read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious Telugu

> book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony with

> BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD is

> concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even if

> you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence of

> PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found PVR's

> sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you are

> free to find additional sins in me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker has

> ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief in

> certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not my

> fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As for

> RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he was

> citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

>

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ==== ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >

> > Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very reason

> I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is no

> need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to mail

> makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in the

> mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

> results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When I

> give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you want

> to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist on

> your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

> Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain what

> is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is not

> mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the guess

> work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> relevance here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas, with

> different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the order

> of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would not

> match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also what

> Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that you

> suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of us to

> learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or that

> they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your point

> at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have any

> reason to distort anyone's statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> wrote

> > :

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> " rightly "

> > and tried to distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> " editor " .

> > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors are

> > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic at

> > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly labeled

> as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> PrD.

> > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> deduced

> > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies there

> > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of all

> twelve

> > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> take it

> > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine SDs

> for

> > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> so,

> > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but Pt

> > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > message because you brought my statements out of context and changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> when

> > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> one's

> > aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that thread,

> I

> > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> email

> > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> under

> > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> copied

> > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then, I

> > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to start

> any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a part

> of

> > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with his

> > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second pada

> of

> > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> BPHS

> > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> be

> > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> Since

> > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I gave

> an

> > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in LCD.

> > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> will be

> > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time to

> > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> of

> > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> basic

> > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article was

> to

> > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> and

> > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ===== ====

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match, especially

> on

> > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> read

> > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of Kalchakradasha

> are

> > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> specifically

> > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > >

> > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> of

> > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write any

> > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> verse

> > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> bhaume---- "

> > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any doubt.

> > >

> > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas pretty

> > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> what

> > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are sought

> to

> > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> scheme.

> > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> KCD'S

> > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > >

> > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> deduced

> > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> have

> > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in Karka

> :

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > >

> > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> dasha

> > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> follows

> > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> Parashara

> > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > working

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct method

> of

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already answered.

> > >

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > " Please

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > dasa

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> > of

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see the

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > article

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to pick

> > up

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> > PVR

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > which I

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring out

> > the

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > notice,

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out in

> > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ==== ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does not

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > BPHS

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I am

> > sure

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> > move

> > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of AD

> > has

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to deduce

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa) which

> is

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > Jeeva

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> > > >

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> AD

> > in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> > of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

> > 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > These

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,

> we

> > may

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > >

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > swami.rcs@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > Sequence

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada.

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > Stanza

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> AD

> > is

> > > very important.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RCS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Vinayji,

 

I do not understand why you need others to defend you. When I ask something you

try to evade the question and do not give a direct answer. Someone named Utkal

then tells me to read Padmanaabha Sharma's Tika of BPHS.

 

The 1000 chapters that are referred to in my post is a misprint. It is 100

chapters.

 

Why not give both the shlokas that are said to indicate that the shloka you

refer to indeed refers to kalachakra dasha instead of giving only half part of a

shloka? That would better prove your point instead of giving half a shloka?

Since you are a scholar of Sanskrit (which I never claimed to be) you must know

the importance of both anvaya and sandarbha while interpreting Sanskrit shlokas.

I am sure it is referring to how to calculate the beginning of dasha based on

the degrees past in a nakshatra and not the order of Mahadasha as is being

suggested by you.

 

But since till now you have never given a straight answer to a straight

question, I know it is futile to argue with you. You have passed comments like

me not having read books etc through your proxy Utkal and also your self many a

times. That is why I surmise you think yourself to be the greatest authority on

KCD.

 

I will take G B Prashant's advise and stop responding as you have not yet

indicated how ashvinyaadi 2nd charana Karka rashi dasha order is the one that

you gave, even now. Please do not ask me to read some other (according to you)

text that only you or Utkal or whosoever you are have read. Writing voluminous

mails with wrong charges does not make your arguments right.

 

I am sure the readers of this discussions who also possess many of the BPHS

editions will draw the right conclusions when they read their own editions.

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

-

VJha

Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:17 AM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

 

To GB Prashant Ji and Chandrashekhar Ji :

 

Mr Chandrashekhar Ji makes a fine statement : " people are more

interested in maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish " .

 

But he says to me : " you seem to imply that you are the only authority

on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. "

 

Where I said I am the only authority on KCD. When did I say others have

not read any texts ? Why Mr Chandrashekhar is making false statements

on my behalf ? Is his tyle of discussing " finer points of jyotish "

???

 

I am surprised with his false claims : " I have many more editions of

BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with

all the 1000 chapters. " Why he does not name the publisher of such a

non-existent edition of BPHS ??

 

He also says : " the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

the shloka you quote does not say so. He lacks the knowledge of

Sanskrit, hence I am quoting the original Sanskrit verse as well as its

Hindi translation in Chowkhamba edition :

 

" Labdham bhukta-varshaadi bhogyam tasmaat prasaadhyet / Vimshottareeva

raasheenaam navaanaamstat-mahaadashaa. "

 

= " tasmaat (ie,remainder of computations mentioned in earlier verse)

bhogya varshaadi laakar Vimshottari ki tarah agrim raasheeyon ki

mahaadashaa lagaani chaahiye " .

 

My translation : From the remainder of computations mentioned in

earlier verse, find the remaining years from the elapsed years and like

the Vimshottari find out the mahadashaa of coming nine raashis.

 

Why Mr Chandrashekhar misleads this forum by deliberately

mis-translating this verse ?? He can take the help of any Sanskrit or

Hindi scholar if he does not know these languages. All editions of BPHS

do not contain this verse, but it does not mean Mr Chandrashekhar should

distort the meaning of this verse. The Hindi meaning given above was

given by Pt Devachandra Jha, a reputed Sanskrit scholar, which is

published by Chowkhamba, world's largest publisher of indological books.

 

Above example shows Mr Chandrashekhar did not read this edition of

BPHS. But the following example of his " erudition " proves Mr

Chandrashekhar did not read any edition of BPHS carefully.

 

I was told at the beginning of this thread by RCS : " BPHS has 56 Stanza

describing results of AD alone. "

 

It is a wrong statement which convinced me RCS had not properly read

BPHS. The actual number of verses is 58 and not 56 which describe the

results of KCD's AD alone. To test whether RCS actually read BPHS

carefully or not, I posted the following message which was a trap (I

laid this trap to test the depth of members in this thread because I was

getting weird messages concerning this thread at my private email ID) :

 

" Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,we may

assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

properly. "

 

This passage did not mention that there are three chapters on KCD in

BPHS, of which one (Kaalachakra-navaamsha-phalaadhyaaya) is present at

different locations in some editions. In above para, I mentioned only

two chapters of BPHS containing 55 and 37 verses about KCD (ie,

dashaa-bhedaadhyaaya and Kaalachakra-navaamsha-phalaadhyaaya). The third

chapter Kaalachakra-antardashaa-phalaadhyaaya contains 58 verses which

Mr RCS and Mr Chandrashekhar have certainly seen, but I was told by

them that this chapter has only 56 stanzas. Stanza is a collection of

verses. RCS ought to have written 56 verses and not 56 stanzas. Why he

failed to count 58 and reported 56 only ?? Why Mr Chandrashekhar failed

to report that Vinay Jha is ignorant of three chapters in BPHS and knows

only two chapters ?? Thus, he failed the test. Did he not know how many

chapters are in BPHS about KCD ??

 

RCS is a good person. I have no grudge against him, or against Mr

Chandrashekhar either. The only point is that Mr Chandrashekhar is a

careless reader who hurries to conclusions without caring to read a

thread or a book properly.

 

I said earlier that I am not going to describe KCD in detail at present,

because I am going to deliver lectures at four conferences in two

universities in UP, followed by Haridwar and Delhi. This statement

does not mean I know everything. No one in this forum knows everything.

It is not me but Mr Chandrashekhar who claims to have read all

non-existent 1000 chapters of BPHS !! He cannot show proofs of even

one-tenth of this number. This extravagant statement means all others in

the world know only 97 or 98 or 99 chapters of BPHS, while Mr

Chandrashekhar knows 1000 chapters !! Yet this person charges me to be

" maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish " . Mr

Chandrashekhar is a person unable to understand a single line in BPHS

( " Vimshottareeva raasheenaam navaanaamstat-mahaadashaa " ), yet deems

himself an authority on KCD because he writes books on KCD !! An

authority on BPHS must learn, at least, how to read Sanskrit texts of

Jyotisha, because reliance on translators leads to pitfalls.

 

-VJ

=================== ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant Kumar,

>

> Is that so? That is why I got mail from Utkal when I wrote a

rejoinder to Vinayji. Seems like there are too many fake ids on the

lists these days.

>

> That is so sad. it seems these days people are more interested in

maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:06 AM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekar ji,Members

>

> u must know Lalit Misra alias Utkal panigrahi has one and only one

goal that he is the only one in the universe be it from any bygone

Yoga/era to now who knows all as he is in direct contact to a mother and

who tells him what to do, rest of them r jukt to ro be mud slinged,

maligned, abused by him again the only one who is empowered to do so....

> and now he has been targeting PVN ji on several counts it is a pity

that one can descend to such lows not all his messages r worthy of group

reading hence this msg.

> he wont spare any living or dead astrologer,scholar so no big deal

if u read any abusive mails in any fake NAME. if they get approved it is

a mistake but not a intention to malign any member here

>

> as all old members r free -unmoderated and every group has such

parasites-using fake ID's so be prepared and also know we can deal with

them with composure, poise as always

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

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> ________________________________

> Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar

>

> Mon, March 8, 2010 10:37:58 PM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the

goal. Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to

Antardasha when I had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather

Kheladilal edition? So now why the sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha

edition? Any way the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

the shloka you quote does not say so.

>

> I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the

Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please

do not assume that everybody other than you is unaware of the different

editions of BPHS in existence.

>

> You are again referring to the other threads on which you have

written, whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was

restricted to the original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of

KCD are not mentioned but Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

>

> I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and

are now attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in

your mail. It is apparent you do not believe in answering a direct

question and skirting it by writing voluminous mails. On the one hand

you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in your support and then again say

it is not complete. If that is so, why the insistence that one should

only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said there.

>

> I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS,

that gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have

brought up that subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system,

as indicated by Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why

and how Vakya differs from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem

to imply that you are the only authority on KCD and imply that others

have not read any texts. That may help jyotish fraternity more than this

jumping from one text to other.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You wrote :

>

> <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa "

(verse 88

> in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has

again

> convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of

BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of

BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not

given up

> this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by

Pt

> Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and

two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those

threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere

in

> the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some

pandit

> has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still

at a

> loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is

100%

> accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> collection of various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article

but

> merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not

written

> any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD,

I

> did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did

not

> explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu

book of

> 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has

not

> read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious

Telugu

> book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony

with

> BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD

is

> concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even

if

> you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence

of

> PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found

PVR's

> sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you

are

> free to find additional sins in me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker

has

> ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief

in

> certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not

my

> fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As

for

> RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he

was

> citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

>

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ==== ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:

> >

> > Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very

reason

> I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is

no

> need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to

mail

> makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in

the

> mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

These

> results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When

I

> give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you

want

> to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist

on

> your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS,

but

> Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain

what

> is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is

not

> mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the

guess

> work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas

should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> relevance here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas,

with

> different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the

order

> of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would

not

> match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also

what

> Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that

you

> suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of

us to

> learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or

that

> they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your

point

> at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have

any

> reason to distort anyone's statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> wrote

> > :

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> " rightly "

> > and tried to distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> " editor " .

> > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors

are

> > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic

at

> > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly

labeled

> as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> PrD.

> > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> deduced

> > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies

there

> > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of

all

> twelve

> > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> take it

> > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine

SDs

> for

> > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> so,

> > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

Pt

> > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > message because you brought my statements out of context and

changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> when

> > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> one's

> > aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that

thread,

> I

> > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> email

> > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> under

> > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> copied

> > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then,

I

> > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to

start

> any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a

part

> of

> > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with

his

> > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second

pada

> of

> > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> BPHS

> > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing

in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> be

> > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> Since

> > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I

gave

> an

> > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in

LCD.

> > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> will be

> > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time

to

> > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> of

> > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> basic

> > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article

was

> to

> > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> and

> > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ===== ====

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match,

especially

> on

> > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> read

> > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of

Kalchakradasha

> are

> > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> specifically

> > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > >

> > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> of

> > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write

any

> > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> verse

> > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> bhaume---- "

> > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any

doubt.

> > >

> > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas

pretty

> > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> what

> > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are

sought

> to

> > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> scheme.

> > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> KCD'S

> > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > >

> > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> deduced

> > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> have

> > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in

Karka

> :

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > >

> > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> dasha

> > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> follows

> > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> Parashara

> > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > working

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

method

> of

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

answered.

> > >

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > " Please

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > dasa

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> > of

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

the

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > article

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

pick

> > up

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> > PVR

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > which I

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

out

> > the

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > notice,

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

in

> > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ==== ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

not

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > BPHS

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

am

> > sure

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> > move

> > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

AD

> > has

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

deduce

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

which

> is

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > Jeeva

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> > > >

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> AD

> > in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> > of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

containing

> > 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > These

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

KCD,

> we

> > may

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > >

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > swami.rcs@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > Sequence

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > Stanza

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> AD

> > is

> > > very important.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RCS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear chandrashekar ji

 

If i recall right Vinay ji has a different version of BPHS than IN CIRCULATION

CALLE CHOWkam or so if ai m wrong Vinay ji pl correct me, no offence meant and

it is there in sanskrit,, Hindi so we r not on the same footing as he is

and u r right in asking for the full sloka to present any point clearly

toreaders

 

and Utkal,lalit is no ones friend he likes bashing any line that is not in tune

with his whims and fancies [at times calls it mothers direct channel to him

though] he has not spared any rishim or astrologer of any era so far so we r all

small fish/inscets to him

 

and Vinay ji has some info and i hope he can present his case without geting

confused on being questioned we in this group want to know so ask questions

 

we r not questioning him a such I've assured him manytimes on this as he has

been badly treated in many groups

 

we have given all a fair chance and leave the judgement on their contrubition,

net worth to the public wer r all too small to judge anyone the subject is so

wide, and much more widely spread in the sub-continent so we must accept, test

any view that comes in a good manner than challange, abuses as utkal and th

elike do

 

if they present all their cases with good samples, supporting info it will be

good for us. we r all open to know, learn, life is about learning till then end

for us. if we forget this surely we will be reduced to dust soon.

 

 

 

 

G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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________________________________

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

 

Thu, March 11, 2010 11:17:35 PM

Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

 

Dear Vinayji,

 

I do not understand why you need others to defend you. When I ask something you

try to evade the question and do not give a direct answer. Someone named Utkal

then tells me to read Padmanaabha Sharma's Tika of BPHS.

 

The 1000 chapters that are referred to in my post is a misprint. It is 100

chapters.

 

Why not give both the shlokas that are said to indicate that the shloka you

refer to indeed refers to kalachakra dasha instead of giving only half part of a

shloka? That would better prove your point instead of giving half a shloka?

Since you are a scholar of Sanskrit (which I never claimed to be) you must know

the importance of both anvaya and sandarbha while interpreting Sanskrit shlokas.

I am sure it is referring to how to calculate the beginning of dasha based on

the degrees past in a nakshatra and not the order of Mahadasha as is being

suggested by you.

 

But since till now you have never given a straight answer to a straight

question, I know it is futile to argue with you. You have passed comments like

me not having read books etc through your proxy Utkal and also your self many a

times. That is why I surmise you think yourself to be the greatest authority on

KCD.

 

I will take G B Prashant's advise and stop responding as you have not yet

indicated how ashvinyaadi 2nd charana Karka rashi dasha order is the one that

you gave, even now. Please do not ask me to read some other (according to you)

text that only you or Utkal or whosoever you are have read. Writing voluminous

mails with wrong charges does not make your arguments right.

 

I am sure the readers of this discussions who also possess many of the BPHS

editions will draw the right conclusions when they read their own editions.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

VJha

 

Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:17 AM

Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

 

To GB Prashant Ji and Chandrashekhar Ji :

 

Mr Chandrashekhar Ji makes a fine statement : " people are more

interested in maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish " .

 

But he says to me : " you seem to imply that you are the only authority

on KCD and imply that others have not read any texts. "

 

Where I said I am the only authority on KCD. When did I say others have

not read any texts ? Why Mr Chandrashekhar is making false statements

on my behalf ? Is his tyle of discussing " finer points of jyotish "

???

 

I am surprised with his false claims : " I have many more editions of

BPHS with me including even the Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with

all the 1000 chapters. " Why he does not name the publisher of such a

non-existent edition of BPHS ??

 

He also says : " the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

the shloka you quote does not say so. He lacks the knowledge of

Sanskrit, hence I am quoting the original Sanskrit verse as well as its

Hindi translation in Chowkhamba edition :

 

" Labdham bhukta-varshaadi bhogyam tasmaat prasaadhyet / Vimshottareeva

raasheenaam navaanaamstat- mahaadashaa. "

 

= " tasmaat (ie,remainder of computations mentioned in earlier verse)

bhogya varshaadi laakar Vimshottari ki tarah agrim raasheeyon ki

mahaadashaa lagaani chaahiye " .

 

My translation : From the remainder of computations mentioned in

earlier verse, find the remaining years from the elapsed years and like

the Vimshottari find out the mahadashaa of coming nine raashis.

 

Why Mr Chandrashekhar misleads this forum by deliberately

mis-translating this verse ?? He can take the help of any Sanskrit or

Hindi scholar if he does not know these languages. All editions of BPHS

do not contain this verse, but it does not mean Mr Chandrashekhar should

distort the meaning of this verse. The Hindi meaning given above was

given by Pt Devachandra Jha, a reputed Sanskrit scholar, which is

published by Chowkhamba, world's largest publisher of indological books.

 

Above example shows Mr Chandrashekhar did not read this edition of

BPHS. But the following example of his " erudition " proves Mr

Chandrashekhar did not read any edition of BPHS carefully.

 

I was told at the beginning of this thread by RCS : " BPHS has 56 Stanza

describing results of AD alone. "

 

It is a wrong statement which convinced me RCS had not properly read

BPHS. The actual number of verses is 58 and not 56 which describe the

results of KCD's AD alone. To test whether RCS actually read BPHS

carefully or not, I posted the following message which was a trap (I

laid this trap to test the depth of members in this thread because I was

getting weird messages concerning this thread at my private email ID) :

 

" Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD in

KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right of

wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing 37

verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD. These

results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in KCD,we may

assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method of

computation has been explained in my article which you have not read

properly. "

 

This passage did not mention that there are three chapters on KCD in

BPHS, of which one (Kaalachakra- navaamsha- phalaadhyaaya) is present at

different locations in some editions. In above para, I mentioned only

two chapters of BPHS containing 55 and 37 verses about KCD (ie,

dashaa-bhedaadhyaay a and Kaalachakra- navaamsha- phalaadhyaaya) . The third

chapter Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya contains 58 verses which

Mr RCS and Mr Chandrashekhar have certainly seen, but I was told by

them that this chapter has only 56 stanzas. Stanza is a collection of

verses. RCS ought to have written 56 verses and not 56 stanzas. Why he

failed to count 58 and reported 56 only ?? Why Mr Chandrashekhar failed

to report that Vinay Jha is ignorant of three chapters in BPHS and knows

only two chapters ?? Thus, he failed the test. Did he not know how many

chapters are in BPHS about KCD ??

 

RCS is a good person. I have no grudge against him, or against Mr

Chandrashekhar either. The only point is that Mr Chandrashekhar is a

careless reader who hurries to conclusions without caring to read a

thread or a book properly.

 

I said earlier that I am not going to describe KCD in detail at present,

because I am going to deliver lectures at four conferences in two

universities in UP, followed by Haridwar and Delhi. This statement

does not mean I know everything. No one in this forum knows everything.

It is not me but Mr Chandrashekhar who claims to have read all

non-existent 1000 chapters of BPHS !! He cannot show proofs of even

one-tenth of this number. This extravagant statement means all others in

the world know only 97 or 98 or 99 chapters of BPHS, while Mr

Chandrashekhar knows 1000 chapters !! Yet this person charges me to be

" maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish " . Mr

Chandrashekhar is a person unable to understand a single line in BPHS

( " Vimshottareeva raasheenaam navaanaamstat- mahaadashaa " ), yet deems

himself an authority on KCD because he writes books on KCD !! An

authority on BPHS must learn, at least, how to read Sanskrit texts of

Jyotisha, because reliance on translators leads to pitfalls.

 

-VJ

============ ======= ===

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant Kumar,

>

> Is that so? That is why I got mail from Utkal when I wrote a

rejoinder to Vinayji. Seems like there are too many fake ids on the

lists these days.

>

> That is so sad. it seems these days people are more interested in

maligning others than discussing finer points of jyotish.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

>

> -

> Prashant Kumar G B

>

> Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:06 AM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekar ji,Members

>

> u must know Lalit Misra alias Utkal panigrahi has one and only one

goal that he is the only one in the universe be it from any bygone

Yoga/era to now who knows all as he is in direct contact to a mother and

who tells him what to do, rest of them r jukt to ro be mud slinged,

maligned, abused by him again the only one who is empowered to do so....

> and now he has been targeting PVN ji on several counts it is a pity

that one can descend to such lows not all his messages r worthy of group

reading hence this msg.

> he wont spare any living or dead astrologer,scholar so no big deal

if u read any abusive mails in any fake NAME. if they get approved it is

a mistake but not a intention to malign any member here

>

> as all old members r free -unmoderated and every group has such

parasites-using fake ID's so be prepared and also know we can deal with

them with composure, poise as always

>

> .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow \

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekh ar

>

> Mon, March 8, 2010 10:37:58 PM

> Re: Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> You seem to change the goal post every time some one comes near the

goal. Was it not you who first said that there is no reference to

Antardasha when I had given the title of Sitaram Jha or rather

Kheladilal edition? So now why the sudden quote from the Devachandra Jha

edition? Any way the shloka you are quoting does not say that Kalachakra

dasha should be deduced in accordance with Vimshottari dashas. At least

the shloka you quote does not say so.

>

> I have many more editions of BPHS with me including even the

Ganeshdatta Pathaka one, and one with all the 1000 chapters. So please

do not assume that everybody other than you is unaware of the different

editions of BPHS in existence.

>

> You are again referring to the other threads on which you have

written, whereas I have made it amply clear that my response was

restricted to the original thread where you wrote that antar dashas of

KCD are not mentioned but Sitaram Jha only deduced so.

>

> I can sense that you do not want to respond to direct question and

are now attributing the dasha sequence to Narasimha where as it was in

your mail. It is apparent you do not believe in answering a direct

question and skirting it by writing voluminous mails. On the one hand

you quote Devchandra Jha commentary in your support and then again say

it is not complete. If that is so, why the insistence that one should

only interpret the KCD on the basis of what is said there.

>

> I have read PhaladIpika and it is not the only text, besides BPHS,

that gives Kalchakra dasha There are many more. But now that you have

brought up that subject, do you draw KCD according to the Vakya system,

as indicated by Mantreshvar and if so how? Why not give examples of why

and how Vakya differs from normal panchanga calculations, since you seem

to imply that you are the only authority on KCD and imply that others

have not read any texts. That may help jyotish fraternity more than this

jumping from one text to other.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> -

> VJha

>

> Monday, March 08, 2010 3:59 PM

> Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

>

> You wrote :

>

> <<<

> Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >>>

>

> You have not read the Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha which

> says : " Vimshottariva raasheenaam navaanaam syaat-mahaadashaa "

(verse 88

> in the chapter Dashaabhedaadhyaaya ). Please read it.

>

> Your citation of the words " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " has

again

> convinced me that you are perhaps ignorant of differences in various

> editions of BHPS. In many fora (mostly in another forum) including

> this, I had started some discussed threads on various editions of

BPHS,

> and had announced my plan to collect all published editions and

> available manuscripts of BPHS for publishing a critical edition of

BPHS.

> No internet user has helped in this plan so far, but I have not

given up

> this plan. In those threads, I said the Chowkhamba edition edited by

Pt

> Devachandra Jha is based on largest number on manuscripts and is

> therefore most authentic, although it contains only 98 chapters and

two

> chapters and many verses in other chapters are missing or less than

> satisfactory. Some other editions were also discussed in those

threads.

> Your verse " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " does not occur anywhere

in

> the edition I found to be most authentic. Pt Sitaram Jha was (ill-)

> famous for inventing new meanings on unsound foundations. Some

pandit

> has rewritten many verses of BPHS during modern age and I am still

at a

> loss to identify that pandit/pandits.

>

> I do not believe that Chowkhamba edition by Pt Devachandra Jha is

100%

> accurate. I want a critical edition taking help from all available

> sources. Edition or translating is a small part, the main problem is

> collection of various variants of BPHS.

>

> I had said that the article on KCD was not an independent article

but

> merely copied from my answer to PVR in another forum. I have not

written

> any comprehensive article or even a full summary of KCD. As for AD,

I

> did not give my own opinion on computing ADs because PVR also did

not

> explain his own ; he simply said his method is based on a Telugu

book of

> 1930 and he does not know the source of that book. Either PVR has

not

> read Phaladeepikaa or does not respect it and values a dubious

Telugu

> book more than traditionally respected texts. If you have not read

> Phaladeepikaa, please read it , you will find it to be in harmony

with

> BPHS and it elaborates the missing points of BPHS as far as KCD AD

is

> concerned. I am not going to write any article on this point, even

if

> you repeat your charges of dishonesty on me.

>

> Asd far as " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6 " is concerned, it was the sequence

of

> PVR against the wrong sequence given by Pt Sanjay Rath. I found

PVR's

> sequence to be in harmony with BPHS. If you are really interested in

> knowing the sequences of KCD MD/Ad, read Phaladeepikaa. If not, you

are

> free to find additional sins in me.

>

> You said : " I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not

> have any reason to distort anyone's statements. " No software maker

has

> ever tried to distort my statements. Now I believe you are not

> deliberately distorting my statements. The fault lies in your belief

in

> certain edition and ignorance of other editions of BPHS. It is not

my

> fault for which you are accusing me of falsehood and dishonesty. As

for

> RCS, I was not merely provoking him to study properly, because he

was

> citing BPHS's 56 non-existent verses on AD's phala !!!

>

> All your doubts will be answered in Phaladeepikaa.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ==== ===

> , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:

> >

> > Vinayji,

> >

> > I have read your voluminous response. Actually that is the very

reason

> I usually do not like to enter into arguments on the lists.

> >

> > I am sad that you think I am distorting your statement. There is

no

> need to do so. I pasted what you said in the mail, while attributing

> quotes to you. That you choose to change your stand from mail to

mail

> makes it difficult to continue this argument. But for the record in

the

> mail to RC you also said

> > " Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of AD

in

> KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be right

of

> wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya containing

37

> verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

These

> results are about MD. "

> >

> > So you yourself said that BPHS does not mention antardashas. When

I

> give you shloka to show that antar dasha is mentioned in BPHS, you

want

> to go off on a tangent about PD,SD, and so on. Even now you insist

on

> your stand and say " I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS,

but

> Pt Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. " Why not explain

what

> is meant by " MeshaaMshe svaantare bhaume... " if the word antar is

not

> mentioning antardasha, what does is it mentioning and where is the

guess

> work on part of Sitaram Jha?

> >

> > Now you are saying Parashara said that Kalachakra Mahadashas

should

> follow Vimshottari pattern. Your sentence is " In a previous chapter,

> Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be deduced according to

Vimshottari.

> " Why not give the shloka and chapter number and verse number to

support

> your argument? That would support what you are saying.

> >

> > I do not think what arguments are going on other forum are of any

> relevance here.

> >

> > You have still not answered my original question of variation of

> antardasha order for Karka. You say there more karka Mahadashas,

with

> different order, that I agree. So why not give a few with whom the

order

> of antardasha given by you matches and also indicate why it would

not

> match the Karka Mahadasha order for the nakshatra given and also

what

> Mahadasha order with Karka Mahadasha cycle follows the order that

you

> suggest where with antardasha following the same order would be

> " 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. " as claimed by you. That may allow all of

us to

> learn more than accusing me of deliberately distorting what you are

> saying?

> >

> > I do not think merely saying people are not understanding you or

that

> they are quoting out of context or they are deliberately distorting

> what you say and they do not read your article does not prove your

point

> at all. I do not create any sort of astro software so I do not have

any

> reason to distort anyone's statements.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > VJha

> >

> > Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:42 AM

> > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> >

> > You are deliberately distorting my words to invert my meanings. I

> wrote

> > :

> >

> > <<<

> > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> " antardashaa " .

> > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part of

> verses

> > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who rightly

> felt

> > that the topic was on AD.

> > >>>

> >

> > I said BPHS does not mention the word " antardasha " but the editor

> > rightly felt that the topic was on AD. You overlooked the word

> " rightly "

> > and tried to distort my statement.

> >

> > Another mistake by you is that you read " editors " instead of

> " editor " .

> > Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled that chapter as AD, but Chowkhamba

> > edition by Pt Devachandra Jha correctly labels it as

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya " . Why you assume all editors

are

> > unanimous ? Pt Sitaram Jha was a good pandit but too enthusiastic

at

> > many places. The first verse in that chapter says it is on

> > " Kaalachakra- dashaaphalam " . Hence, this chapter was wrongly

labeled

> as

> > AD by Pt Sitaram Jha, because it is actually about AD, PD, SD and

> PrD.

> > In a previous chapter, Sage Parashara says KCD's MD should be

> deduced

> > according to Vimshottari. There too, the mention of MD implies

there

> > must be lower periods. In the chapter

> " Kaalachakra- dashaa-phalaadhy aaya "

> > which Pt Sitaram Jha wrongly labeled as

> > " Kaalachakra- antardashaa- phalaadhyaaya " , nine sub-periods of

all

> twelve

> > raashis are mentioned, which you construe as only for AD while I

> take it

> > for nine ADs for raashis of MD, nine PDs for raashis of AD, nine

SDs

> for

> > raashis of PD, and nine PranDs for raashis of SD. Had it not been

> so,

> > the text would have mentioned AD instead of KCD in general at the

> > beginning of this chapter.

> >

> > My reply to RCS was merely to induce him to read my article before

> > discussing. I still repeat AD is nowhere " mentioed " in BPHS, but

Pt

> > Sitaram Jha " rightly " guessed AD was implied. You misunderstood my

> > message because you brought my statements out of context and

changed

> > some words to distort my meanings. This type of dialogue is used

> when

> > you want to vanquish an opponent and understanding others is not

> one's

> > aim.

> >

> > Discussion on KCD was going on in another forum (vedic astrology)

> > between other members and PVR Narasimha Rao. Concerning that

thread,

> I

> > had some correspondences with PVR Narasimha Rao Ji at my private

> email

> > ID (I had complained about defects in default KCD in JHORA). He

> > clarified that JHORA has many defaults according to Sanjay Rath's

> > scheme which PVR does not deem fit, and PVR's own method is given

> under

> > the option " Raghavacharya Method " . After this correspondence, I

> copied

> > parts of my message to him and posted it at my own website. Then,

I

> > informed this forum about that webpage. I had no intention to

start

> any

> > discussion thread in this forum. Since my article was merely a

part

> of

> > my message to PVR, the AD mentioned in my article was merely an

> > elucidation of that case which PVR had mentioned in his thread in

> > vedic astrology (about which he has very heated differences with

his

> > Guru Pt Sanjay Rath). Mr Rath gives a wrong sequence of second

pada

> of

> > Ashwinyaadi while PVR gave a correct sequence which I supported.

> BPHS

> > gives 15 sequences out of 16, and this Ashwinyaadi- 2 was missing

in

> > BPHS. In my article, I elaborated how this missing sequence should

> be

> > reconstructed along the scheme of BPHS. It is not my discovery.

> Since

> > the discussion was on Ashwinyaadi- 2 (10,11,12,8, 7,6,4,5,3) , I

gave

> an

> > example of Karka MD's nine ADs from this sequence as

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. This is not the only type of Karka MD in

LCD.

> > Karka navamsha is present in 12 out of 16 sequences, hence there

> will be

> > twelve types of Karka MD. I am giving the whole list at my webpage

> to

> > clear the confusion. I have too many tasks and I hardly find time

to

> > write articles now-a-days. My article on KCD is not even a summary

> of

> > all important aspects of KCD and much is wanting in it. Only the

> basic

> > scheme was outlined in it, and the sole purpose of this article

was

> to

> > prove the validity of A-2 sequence (Ashwinyaadi- 2 :

> > 10,11,12,8,7, 6,4,5,3) which PVR is holding against Pt Sanjay Rath

> and

> > against Sri Jyoti Star.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ===== ====

> > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay,

> > >

> > > I generally do not like to get into an argument match,

especially

> on

> > lists. Yet, I do not understand how you presumed that I have not

> read

> > out what you wrote. I merely said that antardashas of

Kalchakradasha

> are

> > mentioned in BPHS and gave you the page number since you

> specifically

> > said that BPHS does not have them.

> > >

> > > You are saying that the adhyaaya on antardashas is assumed to be

> of

> > antardasha by the editors and claim that Parashara did not write

any

> > verses that can lead the editors to it. You may like to read the

> verse

> > at page 380 of the same edition where " MeshaMshe svaantare

> bhaume---- "

> > is written and the mention of antardasha is there beyond any

doubt.

> > >

> > > Parashara has given the method of calculating Aantardashas

pretty

> > unambiguously and anyone who reads the BPHS properly can make out

> what

> > he is saying. I too think that un necessary complications are

sought

> to

> > be brought in about drawing of antardashas especially in the KCD

> scheme.

> > But then I see you have given something called Karka mahadasha of

> KCD'S

> > Antardasha order as 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6.

> > >

> > > Your statement is the article is- " Antardashaas (AD) should be

> deduced

> > likewise according to Vimshottari scheme, ie Karka mahadasha will

> have

> > Karka AD as the first AD producing following sequence of AD in

Karka

> :

> > 4,5,3,10,11, 12,8,7,6. Pratyantara & c may be deduced likewise. "

> > >

> > > May I ask you whether this is the order of antardashas if the

> dasha

> > order begins from BharaNi 4th pada where the order of KCD is

> > 4,5,3,2,1,12, 11,10 and 9, that is it begins with Karka? If it

> follows

> > the order given by you , how does it fit in with the manner

> Parashara

> > told to look at the Antardasha in Vimshottari scheme?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > VJha

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:39 PM

> > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr Chandrashekhar,

> > >

> > > Without reading my article in which I described the method of

> > working

> > > out MD, AD, PD, etc of KCD besides elucidating the correct

method

> of

> > > making sequences, RCS was asking questions I had already

answered.

> > >

> > > RCS said he read my article, yet he asked two wrong question s :

> > " Please

> > > educate how you work out AD and How you move to next Sequence of

> > dasa

> > > once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a Pada. " To it, I

> > > replied : " The very purpose of writing this article was

> elucidation

> > of

> > > those very topics which you are asking " . Yet you failed to see

the

> > > point and intruded, like RCS, without reading the thread and my

> > article

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > BPHS mentions " mahaadashaa " but does not mention the word

> > " antardashaa " .

> > > The title " kalachakraantardas haaphalaadhyaaya " is not a part

of

> > verses

> > > written by Sage Parashara but the handiwork of editor who

rightly

> > felt

> > > that the topic was on AD. I was sure RCS would have failed to

pick

> > up

> > > this point, but you helped him out.

> > >

> > > Now-a-days there are various innovations being introduced into

> KCD.

> > PVR

> > > Narasimha Rao recently described this state of confusion, after

> > which I

> > > provided the link to my article in two fora. I tried to bring

out

> > the

> > > original scheme of Sage Parashara which no member has cared to

> > notice,

> > > including you and RCS. This scheme has already been worked out

in

> > > Kundalee Software.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ==== ===

> > > , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay,

> > > >

> > > > I would not interject but for your statement that BPHS does

not

> > > mention antardashas in KCD. You have said " Can you show me where

> > BPHS

> > > has mentioned even the existence of AD in KCD ? "

> > > >

> > > > Please read page number 358 which has an adhyaaya called

> > > kalachakraantardash aaphalaadhyaaya, in Sitaram Jha edition. I

am

> > sure

> > > you will find the results of KCD antardasha phalas there.

> > > >

> > > > So RC ji is right.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > VJha

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:28 PM

> > > > Re: Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To RCS :

> > > >

> > > > The very purpose of writing this article was elucidation of

> those

> > > very topics which you are asking : " how you work out AD and How

> you

> > move

> > > to next Sequence " .

> > > >

> > > > It seems you have not read this article fully. The method of

AD

> > has

> > > already been described with example. Those who know how to

deduce

> > > Vimshottari AD or PD will find no difficulty in understanding my

> > > comments. Some modern astrologers are spreading confusion about

> > > Shashthaashta- gati motion (6 to 11, 3 to 10 and vice versa)

which

> is

> > > seen in Savya sequences (A, B) of pada-2.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised with your statement " Apart from Gati, Deha and

> > Jeeva

> > > and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56 Stanza describing results of AD

> alone. "

> > > >

> > > > Can you show me where BPHS has mentioned even the existence of

> AD

> > in

> > > KCD ? The very idea of AD in KCD is a conjecture which may be

> right

> > of

> > > wrong. BPHS has a separate chapter on KCD-phalaadhyaaya

containing

> > 37

> > > verse, besides 55 verses about Phala in initial chapter on KCD.

> > These

> > > results are about MD. Since BPHS has clearly mentioned MD in

KCD,

> we

> > may

> > > assume the existence of AD, PD, SD and PrD as well. Their method

> of

> > > computation has been explained in my article which you have not

> read

> > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > ============ ========= ===

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > >

> > > > , " R C Srivastava "

> > swami.rcs@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear VJ,

> > > > > Excellent summary OF KCD for those who have studied it .

> > > > > Please educate how you work out AD and How you move to next

> > > Sequence

> > > > > of dasa once native has reached to end of ABC OR D IN a

Pada.

> > > > > Apart from Gati, Deha and Jeeva and KCD NAVAMSA BPHS has 56

> > Stanza

> > > > > describing results of AD alone. Therefore correct working of

> AD

> > is

> > > very important.

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > RCS

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > . Kaala-chakra Dashaa : Scheme and Sub-periods

> > > > > Posted by: " VJha " vinayjhaa16@ vinayjhaa16

> > > > > Fri Mar 5, 2010 10:16 pm ((PST))

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > See the following webpage for elucidation of KCD :

> > > > >

> > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Kalachakra- dashaa

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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