My Words to Astrologers !!

March 12, 2010

Dear Astrologers,

You are required in the society and expected to have more dignity then

the rest, Astrology as a tool, offers qualitatively better and much more

effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or school of

study.

Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes, destruction is

required for construction of new and better structure.

India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to it's

fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of country

people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists, This

heriosm is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at

occasions.

Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress growth and

innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like Mathematics,

Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the

invention of calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of

Leibnitz's great researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally

respected as Newton.

I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have respect to

work done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time we

should remain open for further developments.

I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I also

respect contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's

contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology, but, I

wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other

shortcomings, We need to follow them to contribute more then they

contributed, instead of making them mythological character.

There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no one can

learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4 yrs,

medical science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4

yrs ?

In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to buy PVR

Narsimha's book - " Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach " , somehow, book

didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure and

respect that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar

Sharma's book, I got dissatisfied with this also.

I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent heavily on

buying classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places

out of Delhi in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am

wasting so much on astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or

drink or party, spending on astrology was justified.

I collected more books then those available in BVB's library,

particularly in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a

astrological query as to why India became slave and why it got liberty

in 1947, this query became the basis for revelation of several unknown

things that I w'd certainly share with you all.

I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to give

new thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology is so

perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person whose

horoscope is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares

tell Astrology is not a science ?

My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and share

with one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow

them by following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use

their name for our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of

astrology and I believed the content of their articals but when I

validated them I found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I

also found with no spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on

spirituaity, and many times it's incorrect.

You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda's birth chart is

incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even went to

meet Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust that

these guys are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust

was broken, I found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school

and articals, It was more projection then reality.

Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as in coming

days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening in

between me and them for Swami Vivekannanda's chart to Jyoish Group and

other groups where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior

? I was surprised at this behavior.

Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt find

great desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I don't do

astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more and share

with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in their

own charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors,

Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in

your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help

you in real life ?

Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found that

every time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so, what

comes out, Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to

overcome your's doubts.

After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also ends,

New age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attune

to this.

regards,

Utkal.

March 12, 2010

Sir ji, //Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things

in

your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help

you in real life ?//

Your mail suggests that you have studied astrology extensively.

So my comment would be like showing a DIYA (lamp) to Sun.

But if you note charts of elevated personalities and see the position of

Rahu in their horoscopes, You will notice that this planet's SHUDHIKARAN was

instrumental in their elevation.

A planet with negative tendencies is a blessing in disguise as it holds the

potential for improvement.

A planet with positive tendencies has every possibility of being spoiled by

individuals actions.

//Now that age also ends,New age of micro level real study of vedic

astrology begins, pls attune to this.//

Yes the old order changes-th.

The King Is Dead; Long Live The King.'

Regards

Kulbir Bains

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:18 PM, utkal.panigrahi

<utkal.panigrahiwrote:

>

> Dear Astrologers,

>

> You are required in the society and expected to have more dignity then

> the rest, Astrology as a tool, offers qualitatively better and much more

> effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or school of

> study.

>

> Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes, destruction is

> required for construction of new and better structure.

>

> India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to it's

> fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of country

> people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists, This

> heriosm is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at

> occasions.

>

> Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress growth and

> innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like Mathematics,

> Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the

> invention of calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of

> Leibnitz's great researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally

> respected as Newton.

>

> I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have respect to

> work done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time we

> should remain open for further developments.

>

> I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I also

> respect contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's

> contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology, but, I

> wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other

> shortcomings, We need to follow them to contribute more then they

> contributed, instead of making them mythological character.

>

> There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no one can

> learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4 yrs,

> medical science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4

> yrs ?

>

> In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to buy PVR

> Narsimha's book - " Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach " , somehow, book

> didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure and

> respect that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar

> Sharma's book, I got dissatisfied with this also.

>

> I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent heavily on

> buying classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places

> out of Delhi in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am

> wasting so much on astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or

> drink or party, spending on astrology was justified.

>

> I collected more books then those available in BVB's library,

> particularly in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a

> astrological query as to why India became slave and why it got liberty

> in 1947, this query became the basis for revelation of several unknown

> things that I w'd certainly share with you all.

>

> I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to give

> new thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

>

> I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology is so

> perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person whose

> horoscope is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares

> tell Astrology is not a science ?

>

> My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and share

> with one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow

> them by following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use

> their name for our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

>

> I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of

> astrology and I believed the content of their articals but when I

> validated them I found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I

> also found with no spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on

> spirituaity, and many times it's incorrect.

>

> You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda's birth chart is

> incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even went to

> meet Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust that

> these guys are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust

> was broken, I found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school

> and articals, It was more projection then reality.

>

> Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as in coming

> days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

>

> PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening in

> between me and them for Swami Vivekannanda's chart to Jyoish Group and

> other groups where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior

> ? I was surprised at this behavior.

>

> Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt find

> great desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

>

> I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I don't do

> astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more and share

> with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

>

> What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in their

> own charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors,

> Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in

> your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help

> you in real life ?

>

> Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found that

> every time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so, what

> comes out, Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to

> overcome your's doubts.

>

> After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also ends,

> New age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attune

> to this.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

March 12, 2010

Sir ji, //Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in

your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will helpyou in real life ?//Your mail suggests that you have studied astrology extensively.So my comment would be like showing a DIYA (lamp) to Sun.

But if you note charts of elevated personalities and see the position of Rahu in their horoscopes, You will notice that this planet's SHUDHIKARAN was instrumental in their elevation.A planet with negative tendencies is a blessing in disguise as it holds the potential for improvement.

A planet with positive tendencies has every possibility of being spoiled by individuals actions.//Now that age also ends,New age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attune to this.//

Yes the old order changes-th.The King Is Dead; Long Live The King.'RegardsKulbir BainsOn Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:

Dear Astrologers,

You are required in the society and expected to have more dignity then the rest, Astrology as a tool offering qualitatively better and much more effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or school of study.

Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes, destruction is required for construction of new and better structure.

India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to it's fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of country people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists, This heriosm is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at occasions.

Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress growth and innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like Mathematics, Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the invention of calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of Leibnitz's great researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally respected as Newton.

I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have respect to work done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time we should remain open for further developments.

I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I also respect contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology, but, I wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other shortcomings, We need to follow them to contribute more then they contributed, instead of making them mythological character.

There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no one can learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4 yrs, medical science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4 yrs ?

In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to buy PVR Narsimha's book - " Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach " , somehow, book didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure and respect that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar Sharma's book, I got dissatisfied with this also.

I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent heavily on buying classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places out of Delhi in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am wasting so much on astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or drink or party, spending on astrology was justified.

I collected more books then those available in BVB's library, particularly in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a astrological query as to why India became slave and why it got liberty in 1947, this query became the basis for revelation of several unknown things that I w'd certainly share with you all.

I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to give new thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology is so perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person whose horoscope is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares tell Astrology is not a science ?

My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and share with one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow them by following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use their name for our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of astrology and I believed the content of their articals but when I validated them I found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I also found with no spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on spirituaity, and many times it's incorrect.

You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda's birth chart is incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even went to meet Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust that these guys are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust was broken, I found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school and articals, It was more projection then reality.

Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as in coming days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening in between me and them for Swami Vivekannanda's chart to Jyoish Group and other groups where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior ? I was surprised at this behavior.

Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt find great desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I don't do astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more and share with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in their own charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors, Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help you in real life ?

Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found that every time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so, what comes out, Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to overcome your's doubts.

After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also ends, New age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attune to this.

regards,Utkal.

March 12, 2010

Lalit Alias Utkal,

well to start with the opening line looks good and that is what i expected and

said SEVERAL TIMES in this group when many were abusing u and PVN ji for writing

on ur case +ly with a rider that if u curb ur martian instincts by Jul 2016 OR

so u canreach a good level of saint hood whatever

I had said to those critics who opposed the reading [from ur past known and

visible actions] that this country has seen many such reforemed people starting

from Valmiki, Pundalik Purandara dasa, Yogi vemmana, etc. goven time and space

and when the karma is extuinguised in the -ve part the +ve can appear but let us

be open to it

BUT what happened u proved the critics right NOT people like me o PVN ji BY

REPEATEDLY ABUSING ONE AFTER OTHER KNOWN figures IN THE SUBJECT FROM ALL ERAS.

including PVN ji u had also recently accused him of further insult in claiming

credit for Jhora when it is a team effort well most s/w or products r known by

the brain child of X, y, z and also the work can be of some supportive nature

from others, above all the engine used by most astrologers is from some well

known vendor too. the atlas database is also similarly got.

NOW COMING TO ur assu,ption of India, it exists only from East India colony,

British raj and other European invaders. till then it is Bharat varsha, Bharatha

khanda comprising of several small kingdoms some empires did exist in the

borders of some small kingdoms too

the Greek invaders or the European invaders like Columbus named the region past

Indus river as Indians but there was never a union as we have today, though

similar cultural, spiritual, academic, social setups existed even the mughals

the last ruling set up did not rule all of the present India esp regions of

south like TN, Kerala etc.

coming to what u said on respect to some names just released it is good u see it

at least

but most of their work is surely unbeatable not because we Idol worship them,

they lived and practiced the subject they it has to be done none of us esp in

the internet world have done so, we can never lay claim to do anything leave

alone wishful words like INVENTING,

it is height of Megalomania it is ur responsiblity to correct ur image as what u

dish ut to members in public, private will not allow anyone to read any good

work EVEN if it comes I HAVE SAID A FEW TIMES, I had a open mind gave u the full

space, freedom and still do, will pass all meaningful, well meant non abusive

stuff on anyone. PAST or present

one can but the entire library in the world learning Guru Mukha is sacred in

such subjects, people like raman ji, kn rao ji, my guru, his gurus, me have had

some fortune of that me a v small part in todays terms but spent 12 yrs with him

a 4 generation Asthana astrologer of Mysore his fore fathers were adapt in

yantra, tantra, mantra, Jyotishya, ayurvedha too. my guru due to his limitations

to support joint familes due to his fathers wish had to work to support such

large families-studies, health care, marriages etc. so was good in astrology

alone his brothers in other area but he has a name of his own till date whenver

he wants me I am still trying to spend time or help him in anyway possible. with

my parents being sick most times in the past 12 yrs and last 4 yrs have been

even hard on time of the 6 children I am alone with them so can't spend too much

time with my guru, my brothers is expected to relocate to chennai it will give

me some time again to

visit him and share, learn a lot more of his rich wisdom, experience, at 87+ is

still a reservoir of it and has to earn to live, v few pay to read though.

fortunately he has good, caring clientele across the world than his 2 sons. I

had been with him in all his dark times loss of his daughter, wife, surgeries

not his sons.

- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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