Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. Regards, Rakesh Kumar Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Dear Rajesh, " Buddhan saranam gachami " = I go to the Buddha as my refuge Similarly, there is also, " Dhammam saranam gachami " = I go to the dhamma as my refuge " Sangham saranam gachami " = I go to the sangha (disciples of the Buddha) as my refuge. Refuge is taken in the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha for guidance in the path to enlightenment. Regards, S , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119 wrote: > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > Regards, > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 topic is meaning less, you are shown that öne is shelter for himself not any body else. Budha took shelter in himself, why you are unwilling to follow budha ? Same is said in upnishads, pls discover more!! Thanks.. , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119 wrote: > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > Regards, > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually-advanced and spiritually-mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) The spiritually-mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! May we all turn Spiritual! Rohiniranjan , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119 wrote: > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > Regards, > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Dharmam Sharanam Gacchami.Is it what is supposed to be spirtual_Dada Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 3/18/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Thursday, March 18, 2010, 1:01 PM  I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! May we all turn Spiritual! Rohiniranjan , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > Regards, > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Let us not confuse religion with spirituality, Krishnan_jee, although in the case of few, either is a synonym of the other :-) RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dharmam Sharanam Gacchami.Is it what is supposed to be spirtual_Dada > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Thu, 3/18/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > Thursday, March 18, 2010, 1:01 PM >  > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Dear All, Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually-advanced and spiritually-mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > The spiritually-mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Dear All, Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Dear friends I am not that clever in the subject.But I like to let you know some thing about subject  Lord Buddha is a great indian with following noble qualities  " Arahang " -not invole in any sinfull act not even in secret  Sama sambuddho - Understood the four noble truths (dukka stthyaya, samudhaya satthyaya, Nirodha satthayaya and Marga satthaya) by himself without a teacher  vijjacharana sampanno -knew " Ashta vidya " and followed 15 " charana dharma "  sugatho -came to the good status (Nibbana) forever  lokavidu - knew abut earth(manussa lokaya), heaven including Brahmas place and hell including animal world  Purisadamma sarathi- sccesfull in tking any power full one in the world to the correct path(conquer any body)  satta devamanussanam -teacher to men and gods  buddho-could make others understand dhamma so that they also can attain Nibbana  " Buddham saranam gachchanmi " means that I am following the teaching of lord buddha. if some one follows his twachings he will never fall in trouble and attain Nibbana at the end. Who follows the teaching of buddha will automatically be protected from any evil. All the shastras like jyotishya are for people who do not know the teachings of buddha or do not follow the teachings of budhdha.   Unfotunately lot of indians have forgotten lord buddha and buddha,s teachings  Ratnayake. --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Friday, 19 March, 2010, 10:44  Dear All, Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Dear Shri Raj Ji ,Suresh Ji and Members, The implications of 5th,H in Astrology and relation to ethics have been well brought out.A person who attempts to secure for deeper knowledge,no doubt will have his tasks well made out and gains both inwardly and out wardly.Certainly the wisdom contained in the last avatar of dasaavatar will be understood by the humanity and the objectives will be attained.A peaceful order of the world with ahimsa and non materialistic approach will lead to contentment and happiness that can open the doors existential approach //Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him// Un locking the mind and able to realise oneself is to reduce one's involvement in worldly affairs and lead on spirtual path of " Sarave Jana Sukhin Bhavantu " Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:05 AM  Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Dear All, Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. Raj Bhardwaj , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Raj Ji ,Suresh Ji and Members, > The implications of 5th,H in Astrology and relation to ethics have been well brought out.A person who attempts to secure for deeper knowledge,no doubt will have his tasks well made out and gains both inwardly and out wardly.Certainly the wisdom contained in the last avatar of dasaavatar will be understood by the humanity and the objectives will be attained.A peaceful order of the world with ahimsa and non materialistic approach will lead to contentment and happiness that can open the doors existential approach > //Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him// > Un locking the mind and able to realise oneself is to reduce one's involvement in worldly affairs and lead on spirtual path of " Sarave Jana Sukhin Bhavantu " > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:05 AM >  > > > > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > > > A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. > > > > regards > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > Dear All, > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > searching truth. > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > this topic. > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Ma Shakti Dey; har klanti ley Ma Buddhi Dey; har bhranti ley Ma Bhakti Dey; Ma Shanti Dey; Ma Mukti Dey Aur kya chaahiye iskay siva (Shiva) dear Dadas! Rohiniranjan , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- > > " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. > > " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! > > With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Raj Ji ,Suresh Ji and Members, > > The implications of 5th,H in Astrology and relation to ethics have been well brought out.A person who attempts to secure for deeper knowledge,no doubt will have his tasks well made out and gains both inwardly and out wardly.Certainly the wisdom contained in the last avatar of dasaavatar will be understood by the humanity and the objectives will be attained.A peaceful order of the world with ahimsa and non materialistic approach will lead to contentment and happiness that can open the doors existential approach > > //Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him// > > Un locking the mind and able to realise oneself is to reduce one's involvement in worldly affairs and lead on spirtual path of " Sarave Jana Sukhin Bhavantu " > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> > > Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > > > > > > > A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM > > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > > > searching truth. > > > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 --- On Thu, 18/3/10, sigma585858 <sigma585858 wrote: sigma585858 <sigma585858 Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 4:16 PM Â Dear Rajesh, " Buddhan saranam gachami " = I go to the Buddha as my refuge Similarly, there is also, " Dhammam saranam gachami " = I go to the dhamma as my refuge " Sangham saranam gachami " = I go to the sangha (disciples of the Buddha) as my refuge. Refuge is taken in the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha for guidance in the path to enlightenment. Regards, S , Rakesh Kumar <rakesh_771119@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > Regards, > > Rakesh Kumar Dear Sigma Ji,This the saying of budha not of his followers . Why budha say's " Budham Sharnam Gachhami' when he nim self is Budha. Plz work out again for searchig the truth .Regards,Rakesh Kumar > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Friday, 19 March, 2010, 2:14 PM Â Dear All, Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ wrote: > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in searching truth. > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from this topic. > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > Respected Raj Ji and all, > >Â Plz try to under stand the right sense and equation of the topic.Your trial on this topic is not satisfactory. Plz think over it deeply. If you will be able to under stand the sense of topic you will find it's elaboration in few lines. The spiritual directions are not so lengthy. May god bless you with a great vision of wisdom.Regards,Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Shri RRJi,Shri Raj Ji and Shri Dhirendra Mishra Ji with all members As we r looking forward no doubt we need some insight for the sake of bringing out finer aspects of jyotish envisaged in vedangas and take it to those who evince the inclination to learn jyotish to konw how future hold for them. This future is secure and we need to handle it delicately by our efforts.A sincere and honest prayer to the omnipotent,the force behind the Nature to do some thing to the society we live in.Infact this atma viswas is the energy,the force " Jo har kaam karate hai and aur anand bhi detai hai Aur chahiye iske siva:Shiv Ji Ka alarm(wake up cal)l of realisation as Shri Raj Ji has put:'UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! " Is bulaava yek atma viswas hai.yeh bulav jo shakti andar mein bhai badhava dete hai.aur Insaan ko ek roop bhi de deti hai.Bhagavan ki Kripa se sonchana ,isi naam leke apne dharam ko nibhana aur " buddham sharanam gacchami'sochene jeevan mein koi bhi cheej kabhi kam nahi lagte hai As dada summed up Karane wale Bhagawan hai aur phal denewale bhi bhgawan! jo accha ,bura sirf sonch hai Probably the kind of realisation one makes in expanding the thread keeps us prepared for tackling the life and in future too.In this every one preparedness to define events to come ,happen and reward or otherwise matters.Iswar ke samne shakti sab ke liye ek hi hai aur woh babar hai. " Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:26 PM  Ma Shakti Dey; har klanti ley Ma Buddhi Dey; har bhranti ley Ma Bhakti Dey; Ma Shanti Dey; Ma Mukti Dey Aur kya chaahiye iskay siva (Shiva) dear Dadas! Rohiniranjan , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- > > " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. > > " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! > > With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Raj Ji ,Suresh Ji and Members, > > The implications of 5th,H in Astrology and relation to ethics have been well brought out.A person who attempts to secure for deeper knowledge,no doubt will have his tasks well made out and gains both inwardly and out wardly.Certainly the wisdom contained in the last avatar of dasaavatar will be understood by the humanity and the objectives will be attained.A peaceful order of the world with ahimsa and non materialistic approach will lead to contentment and happiness that can open the doors existential approach > > //Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him// > > Un locking the mind and able to realise oneself is to reduce one's involvement in worldly affairs and lead on spirtual path of " Sarave Jana Sukhin Bhavantu " > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > > > > > > > A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM > > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > > > searching truth. > > > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Jyotish has a personal aspect and an impersonal aspect! The personal 'aspect' is reflected in griha drishti. How planets glance at other planets and houses and connect to those! The impersonal 'connection' is reflected in rashi drishti. How domains communicate with one another! Friendly nations which have treaties in place that do not require visas for citizens of one country to another friendly nation, for instance! NOW, it does not mean that the " personal " and 'impersonal' -- never shall the twain meet -- but saturn when transiting Virgo would find it easier to connect to Gemini, for instance! Just for example!! :-) Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Shri RRJi,Shri Raj Ji and Shri Dhirendra Mishra Ji with all members > As we r looking forward no doubt we need some insight for the sake of bringing out finer aspects of jyotish envisaged in vedangas and take it to those who evince the inclination to learn jyotish to konw how future hold for them. > This future is secure and we need to handle it delicately by our efforts.A sincere and honest prayer to the omnipotent,the force behind the Nature to do some thing to the society we live in.Infact this atma viswas is the energy,the force " Jo har kaam karate hai and aur anand bhi detai hai > Aur chahiye iske siva:Shiv Ji Ka alarm(wake up cal)l of realisation as Shri Raj Ji has put:'UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati > hai tab Kumar Gandharva > ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! " > Is bulaava yek atma viswas hai.yeh bulav jo shakti andar mein bhai badhava dete hai.aur Insaan ko ek roop bhi de deti hai.Bhagavan ki Kripa se sonchana ,isi naam leke apne dharam ko nibhana aur " buddham sharanam gacchami'sochene jeevan mein koi bhi cheej kabhi kam nahi lagte hai > As dada summed up Karane wale Bhagawan hai aur phal denewale bhi bhgawan! jo accha ,bura sirf sonch hai > Probably the kind of realisation one makes in expanding the thread keeps us prepared for tackling the life and in future too.In this every one preparedness to define events to come ,happen and reward or otherwise matters.Iswar ke samne shakti sab ke liye ek hi hai aur woh babar hai. " > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:26 PM >  > > > Ma Shakti Dey; har klanti ley > > Ma Buddhi Dey; har bhranti ley > > Ma Bhakti Dey; Ma Shanti Dey; Ma Mukti Dey > > > > Aur kya chaahiye iskay siva (Shiva) dear Dadas! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- > > > > > > " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. > > > > > > " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! > > > > > > With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Raj Ji ,Suresh Ji and Members, > > > > The implications of 5th,H in Astrology and relation to ethics have been well brought out.A person who attempts to secure for deeper knowledge,no doubt will have his tasks well made out and gains both inwardly and out wardly.Certainly the wisdom contained in the last avatar of dasaavatar will be understood by the humanity and the objectives will be attained.A peaceful order of the world with ahimsa and non materialistic approach will lead to contentment and happiness that can open the doors existential approach > > > > //Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him// > > > > Un locking the mind and able to realise oneself is to reduce one's involvement in worldly affairs and lead on spirtual path of " Sarave Jana Sukhin Bhavantu " > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM > > > > > > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > > > > > > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > > > > > > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > > > > > > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > > > > > > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > > > > > > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > > > > > > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > > > > > > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > > > > > > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > > > > > > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > > > > > > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > > > > > > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > > > > > > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > > > > > > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > > > > > > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > > > > > > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > > > > > > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > > > > > > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > > > > > > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > > > > > > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > > > > > > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > > > > > > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > > > > > > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > > > > > > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > > > > > > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > > > > > > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > > > > > > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > > > > > > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > > > > > > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > > > > > > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > > > > > > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > > > > > > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > > > > > > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > > > > > > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > > > > > > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > > > > > > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > > > > > > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > > > > > > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > > > > > > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > > > > > > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > > > > > > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > > > > > > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > > > > > > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > > > > > > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > > > > > > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > > > > > > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > > > > > > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > > > > > > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > > > > > > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > > > > > > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > > > > > > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > > > > > > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > > > > > > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > > > > > > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > > > > > > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > > > > > > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > > > > > > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > > > > > > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > > > > > > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > > > > > > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > > > > > > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > > > > > > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > > > > > > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > > > > > > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > > > > > > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > > > > > > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > > > > > > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > > > > > > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > > > > > > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > > > > > > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > > > > > > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > > > > > > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > > > > > > > searching truth. > > > > > > > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > > > > > > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > > > > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > > > > > > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > > > > > > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > > > > > > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > > > > > > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > > > > > > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Dada, Now my mercury in gemini jag gaya.wonderfully put two aspects of Jyotish.Kudos Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 3/20/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:55 AM  Jyotish has a personal aspect and an impersonal aspect! The personal 'aspect' is reflected in griha drishti. How planets glance at other planets and houses and connect to those! The impersonal 'connection' is reflected in rashi drishti. How domains communicate with one another! Friendly nations which have treaties in place that do not require visas for citizens of one country to another friendly nation, for instance! NOW, it does not mean that the " personal " and 'impersonal' -- never shall the twain meet -- but saturn when transiting Virgo would find it easier to connect to Gemini, for instance! Just for example!! :-) Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Shri RRJi,Shri Raj Ji and Shri Dhirendra Mishra Ji with all members > As we r looking forward no doubt we need some insight for the sake of bringing out finer aspects of jyotish envisaged in vedangas and take it to those who evince the inclination to learn jyotish to konw how future hold for them. > This future is secure and we need to handle it delicately by our efforts.A sincere and honest prayer to the omnipotent,the force behind the Nature to do some thing to the society we live in.Infact this atma viswas is the energy,the force " Jo har kaam karate hai and aur anand bhi detai hai > Aur chahiye iske siva:Shiv Ji Ka alarm(wake up cal)l of realisation as Shri Raj Ji has put:'UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati > hai tab Kumar Gandharva > ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! " > Is bulaava yek atma viswas hai.yeh bulav jo shakti andar mein bhai badhava dete hai.aur Insaan ko ek roop bhi de deti hai.Bhagavan ki Kripa se sonchana ,isi naam leke apne dharam ko nibhana aur " buddham sharanam gacchami'sochene jeevan mein koi bhi cheej kabhi kam nahi lagte hai > As dada summed up Karane wale Bhagawan hai aur phal denewale bhi bhgawan! jo accha ,bura sirf sonch hai > Probably the kind of realisation one makes in expanding the thread keeps us prepared for tackling the life and in future too.In this every one preparedness to define events to come ,happen and reward or otherwise matters.Iswar ke samne shakti sab ke liye ek hi hai aur woh babar hai. " > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:26 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ma Shakti Dey; har klanti ley > > Ma Buddhi Dey; har bhranti ley > > Ma Bhakti Dey; Ma Shanti Dey; Ma Mukti Dey > > > > Aur kya chaahiye iskay siva (Shiva) dear Dadas! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- > > > > > > " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. > > > > > > " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! > > > > > > With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Raj Ji ,Suresh Ji and Members, > > > > The implications of 5th,H in Astrology and relation to ethics have been well brought out.A person who attempts to secure for deeper knowledge,no doubt will have his tasks well made out and gains both inwardly and out wardly.Certainly the wisdom contained in the last avatar of dasaavatar will be understood by the humanity and the objectives will be attained.A peaceful order of the world with ahimsa and non materialistic approach will lead to contentment and happiness that can open the doors existential approach > > > > //Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him// > > > > Un locking the mind and able to realise oneself is to reduce one's involvement in worldly affairs and lead on spirtual path of " Sarave Jana Sukhin Bhavantu " > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM > > > > > > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > > > > > > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > > > > > > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > > > > > > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > > > > > > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > > > > > > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > > > > > > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > > > > > > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > > > > > > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > > > > > > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > > > > > > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > > > > > > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > > > > > > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > > > > > > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > > > > > > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > > > > > > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > > > > > > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > > > > > > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > > > > > > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > > > > > > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > > > > > > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > > > > > > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > > > > > > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > > > > > > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > > > > > > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > > > > > > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > > > > > > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > > > > > > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > > > > > > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > > > > > > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > > > > > > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > > > > > > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > > > > > > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > > > > > > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > > > > > > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > > > > > > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > > > > > > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > > > > > > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > > > > > > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > > > > > > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > > > > > > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > > > > > > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > > > > > > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > > > > > > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > > > > > > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > > > > > > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > > > > > > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > > > > > > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > > > > > > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > > > > > > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > > > > > > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > > > > > > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > > > > > > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > > > > > > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > > > > > > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > > > > > > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > > > > > > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > > > > > > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > > > > > > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > > > > > > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > > > > > > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > > > > > > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > > > > > > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > > > > > > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > > > > > > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > > > > > > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > > > > > > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > > > > > > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > > > > > > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > > > > > > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > > > > > > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > > > > > > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > > > > > > > searching truth. > > > > > > > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > > > > > > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > > > > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > > > > > > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > > > > > > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > > > > > > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > > > > > > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > > > > > > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! > > > > > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 It is the 4th and 10th from the two *malefics* that most of us ordinary ones have got to watch out for! Of course everyone knows about that and surely experienced jyotishis could not but have avoided experiencing that simple verity. Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dada, > Now my mercury in gemini jag gaya.wonderfully put two aspects of Jyotish.Kudos > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Sat, 3/20/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:55 AM >  > > > Jyotish has a personal aspect and an impersonal aspect! > > > > The personal 'aspect' is reflected in griha drishti. How planets glance at other planets and houses and connect to those! > > > > The impersonal 'connection' is reflected in rashi drishti. How domains communicate with one another! Friendly nations which have treaties in place that do not require visas for citizens of one country to another friendly nation, for instance! > > > > NOW, it does not mean that the " personal " and 'impersonal' -- never shall the twain meet -- but saturn when transiting Virgo would find it easier to connect to Gemini, for instance! Just for example!! :-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Shri RRJi,Shri Raj Ji and Shri Dhirendra Mishra Ji with all members > > > As we r looking forward no doubt we need some insight for the sake of bringing out finer aspects of jyotish envisaged in vedangas and take it to those who evince the inclination to learn jyotish to konw how future hold for them. > > > This future is secure and we need to handle it delicately by our efforts.A sincere and honest prayer to the omnipotent,the force behind the Nature to do some thing to the society we live in.Infact this atma viswas is the energy,the force " Jo har kaam karate hai and aur anand bhi detai hai > > > Aur chahiye iske siva:Shiv Ji Ka alarm(wake up cal)l of realisation as Shri Raj Ji has put:'UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati > > > hai tab Kumar Gandharva > > > ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! " > > > Is bulaava yek atma viswas hai.yeh bulav jo shakti andar mein bhai badhava dete hai.aur Insaan ko ek roop bhi de deti hai.Bhagavan ki Kripa se sonchana ,isi naam leke apne dharam ko nibhana aur " buddham sharanam gacchami'sochene jeevan mein koi bhi cheej kabhi kam nahi lagte hai > > > As dada summed up Karane wale Bhagawan hai aur phal denewale bhi bhgawan! jo accha ,bura sirf sonch hai > > > Probably the kind of realisation one makes in expanding the thread keeps us prepared for tackling the life and in future too.In this every one preparedness to define events to come ,happen and reward or otherwise matters.Iswar ke samne shakti sab ke liye ek hi hai aur woh babar hai. " > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma Shakti Dey; har klanti ley > > > > > > Ma Buddhi Dey; har bhranti ley > > > > > > Ma Bhakti Dey; Ma Shanti Dey; Ma Mukti Dey > > > > > > > > > > > > Aur kya chaahiye iskay siva (Shiva) dear Dadas! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Raj Ji ,Suresh Ji and Members, > > > > > > > > The implications of 5th,H in Astrology and relation to ethics have been well brought out.A person who attempts to secure for deeper knowledge,no doubt will have his tasks well made out and gains both inwardly and out wardly.Certainly the wisdom contained in the last avatar of dasaavatar will be understood by the humanity and the objectives will be attained.A peaceful order of the world with ahimsa and non materialistic approach will lead to contentment and happiness that can open the doors existential approach > > > > > > > > //Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him// > > > > > > > > Un locking the mind and able to realise oneself is to reduce one's involvement in worldly affairs and lead on spirtual path of " Sarave Jana Sukhin Bhavantu " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, March 19, 2010, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj Bharadwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A very nice explanation & thoughts in the right direction, and that too from an elderly person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 2:14:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > searching truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Sir ji, UMEED by SAHIR Sahib. Woh subah kabhi to aayegi In kaali sadiyon ke sar sey jab raat ka aanchal dhalkega Jab dukh ke badal pighalengey jab sukh ka saagar jhalkega Jab ambar jhoom ke nachega jab dharati naghame gayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Jis subah ki khaatir jug jug sey hum sab mar mar ke jeeten hain Jis subah ke amrit ki dhun mein hum zahar ke pyaale peeten hain In bhuki pyaasi ruhon par ik din to karam farmayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... maana keh abhi terey merey armanon ki qimat kuch bhi nahin Mitti ka bhi hai kuch mol magar insanon ki qimat kuch bhi nahin Insanon ki izzat jab jhutey sikkon mein na toli jaayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Daulat ke liye jab aurat ki ismat ko na becha jayega Chaahat ko na kuchala jayega, izzat ko na becha jayega Apney kaaley kartuton par jab yeh duniya sharmaayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Beeten-gey kabhi to din aakhir yeh bhuk ke aur bekaari ke Tooten-gey kabhi to but aakhir daulat ki ijarahdari ke jab aik anokhi duniya ki buniyad uthai jayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Majboor burhapa jab sooni raahon ki dhool na phankega Maasoom larakpan jab gandi galiyon mein bhuk na mangega Haque mangne walon ko jis din suli na dikhaee jayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Faqon ki chitaaon par jis din insan na jalayen jayengen Seeney ke dahakatey dozakh mein armaan na jalaye jayengey Yeh narak sey bhi gandi duniya, jab swarg banaee jayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Regards Kulbir Bains --- On Sat, 20/3/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Saturday, 20 March, 2010, 3:11 AM Shri RRJi,Shri Raj Ji and Shri Dhirendra Mishra Ji with all members As we r looking forward no doubt we need some insight for the sake of bringing out finer aspects of jyotish envisaged in vedangas and take it to those who evince the inclination to learn jyotish to konw how future hold for them. This future is secure and we need to handle it delicately by our efforts.A sincere and honest prayer to the omnipotent,the force behind the Nature to do some thing to the society we live in.Infact this atma viswas is the energy,the force " Jo har kaam karate hai and aur anand bhi detai hai Aur chahiye iske siva:Shiv Ji Ka alarm(wake up cal)l of realisation as Shri Raj Ji has put:'UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! " Is bulaava yek atma viswas hai.yeh bulav jo shakti andar mein bhai badhava dete hai.aur Insaan ko ek roop bhi de deti hai.Bhagavan ki Kripa se sonchana ,isi naam leke apne dharam ko nibhana aur " buddham sharanam gacchami'sochene jeevan mein koi bhi cheej kabhi kam nahi lagte hai As dada summed up Karane wale Bhagawan hai aur phal denewale bhi bhgawan! jo accha ,bura sirf sonch hai Probably the kind of realisation one makes in expanding the thread keeps us prepared for tackling the life and in future too.In this every one preparedness to define events to come ,happen and reward or otherwise matters.Iswar ke samne shakti sab ke liye ek hi hai aur woh babar hai. " Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:26 PM Ma Shakti Dey; har klanti ley Ma Buddhi Dey; har bhranti ley Ma Bhakti Dey; Ma Shanti Dey; Ma Mukti Dey Aur kya chaahiye iskay siva (Shiva) dear Dadas! Rohiniranjan , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- > > " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. > > " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! > > With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. > > Raj Bhardwaj .. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Wah Shri Kulbir Ji //maana keh abhi terey merey armanon ki qimat kuch bhi nahin Mitti ka bhi hai kuch mol magar insanon ki qimat kuch bhi nahin// Tabhi tho sochte hai buddham saranam gacchami. regards Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Saturday, March 20, 2010, 1:14 PM  Sir ji, UMEED by SAHIR Sahib. Woh subah kabhi to aayegi In kaali sadiyon ke sar sey jab raat ka aanchal dhalkega Jab dukh ke badal pighalengey jab sukh ka saagar jhalkega Jab ambar jhoom ke nachega jab dharati naghame gayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Jis subah ki khaatir jug jug sey hum sab mar mar ke jeeten hain Jis subah ke amrit ki dhun mein hum zahar ke pyaale peeten hain In bhuki pyaasi ruhon par ik din to karam farmayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... maana keh abhi terey merey armanon ki qimat kuch bhi nahin Mitti ka bhi hai kuch mol magar insanon ki qimat kuch bhi nahin Insanon ki izzat jab jhutey sikkon mein na toli jaayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Daulat ke liye jab aurat ki ismat ko na becha jayega Chaahat ko na kuchala jayega, izzat ko na becha jayega Apney kaaley kartuton par jab yeh duniya sharmaayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Beeten-gey kabhi to din aakhir yeh bhuk ke aur bekaari ke Tooten-gey kabhi to but aakhir daulat ki ijarahdari ke jab aik anokhi duniya ki buniyad uthai jayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Majboor burhapa jab sooni raahon ki dhool na phankega Maasoom larakpan jab gandi galiyon mein bhuk na mangega Haque mangne walon ko jis din suli na dikhaee jayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Faqon ki chitaaon par jis din insan na jalayen jayengen Seeney ke dahakatey dozakh mein armaan na jalaye jayengey Yeh narak sey bhi gandi duniya, jab swarg banaee jayegi Woh subah kabhi to aayegi... Regards Kulbir Bains --- On Sat, 20/3/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Saturday, 20 March, 2010, 3:11 AM  Shri RRJi,Shri Raj Ji and Shri Dhirendra Mishra Ji with all members As we r looking forward no doubt we need some insight for the sake of bringing out finer aspects of jyotish envisaged in vedangas and take it to those who evince the inclination to learn jyotish to konw how future hold for them. This future is secure and we need to handle it delicately by our efforts.A sincere and honest prayer to the omnipotent,the force behind the Nature to do some thing to the society we live in.Infact this atma viswas is the energy,the force " Jo har kaam karate hai and aur anand bhi detai hai Aur chahiye iske siva:Shiv Ji Ka alarm(wake up cal)l of realisation as Shri Raj Ji has put:'UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! " Is bulaava yek atma viswas hai.yeh bulav jo shakti andar mein bhai badhava dete hai.aur Insaan ko ek roop bhi de deti hai.Bhagavan ki Kripa se sonchana ,isi naam leke apne dharam ko nibhana aur " buddham sharanam gacchami'sochene jeevan mein koi bhi cheej kabhi kam nahi lagte hai As dada summed up Karane wale Bhagawan hai aur phal denewale bhi bhgawan! jo accha ,bura sirf sonch hai Probably the kind of realisation one makes in expanding the thread keeps us prepared for tackling the life and in future too.In this every one preparedness to define events to come ,happen and reward or otherwise matters.Iswar ke samne shakti sab ke liye ek hi hai aur woh babar hai. " Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Friday, March 19, 2010, 2:26 PM  Ma Shakti Dey; har klanti ley Ma Buddhi Dey; har bhranti ley Ma Bhakti Dey; Ma Shanti Dey; Ma Mukti Dey Aur kya chaahiye iskay siva (Shiva) dear Dadas! Rohiniranjan , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > Krishnan Ji,Yes indeed. In the present times of turmoils world-over, where daggers are drawn , safety latches of guns of every second person stands released perpetually, in ready and steady position for shoot and scoot,where Question marks in the messages are becoming signs of a double edged Khanjar (tiny swords) and Tigers are smiling behind the bushes, like the most trained Aheri, with the knowledge of the inevitability of the Akhet offering himsels; to be mauled, people will have to be spoon fed in extra ordinary ways to recall their BUDH-DHEEdh through this world wide Cob-web. We all have to work really very hard to restore order and peace around us to let the knowledge flow freely ,without hindrance,lest the life should become " Sabse Udaas Kavita " . That is the least few of us really can do. Below are few lines of this Sabse Udaas Kavita:- > > " Ablaa sabse udaas kavita hai. Lagaataar sangharsh kartaa aur prajit hotaa vyakti sabse udaas kavita hai. Kheton main shishu ko janam deti hui MA sabse udaas kavita hai. Nirdhaanta sabse udaas kavita hai.Kisi batooni shishu ka achaanak chup ho jaana sabse udas kavita hai. Marte hue Aadmi ke bole huye antim vakya ke antim shabd jab yaad rah jaate hain, woh sabse uddas kavita hai. > > " Kaabhi nahin aati shakti bahar se. Woh hamaare andar hoti hai. Vrikshon main chup baithi havaa ki tarah. Dhamnion main bahte rakta ki tarrah. Mahapurushon ki Vaani si. Haan ! kabhi-kabhi der ho jaati hai isse pahchanane main. Tab san-san karti hawa kanon ko chhoo kar kehtee hai -UTHO. Shishu ki gum huee kilkaree kehti hai UTHO,Jab Shakti jaag jaati hai tab Kumar Gandharva ka Gayan kehta hai- UTH GAYEee.. ! > > With my regards and best wishes to all for a very bright and shining future ahead. > > Raj Bhardwaj .. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Dear Nihal Rathnayake, A very informative msg indeed. I have understood quite a lot from the given analysis of Lord Budha's teachings in nutshell, by you. With my best regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Nihal Rathnayake <rrpnrathnayake wrote: > > Dear friends > I am not that clever in the subject.But I like to let you know some thing about subject >  > Lord Buddha is a great indian with following noble qualities >  > " Arahang " -not invole in any sinfull act not even in secret >  > Sama sambuddho - Understood the four noble truths (dukka stthyaya, samudhaya satthyaya, Nirodha satthayaya and Marga satthaya) by himself without a teacher >  > vijjacharana sampanno -knew " Ashta vidya " and followed 15 " charana dharma " >  > sugatho -came to the good status (Nibbana) forever >  > lokavidu - knew abut earth(manussa lokaya), heaven including Brahmas place and hell including animal world >  > Purisadamma sarathi- sccesfull in tking any power full one in the world to the correct path(conquer any body) >  > satta devamanussanam -teacher to men and gods >  > buddho-could make others understand dhamma so that they also can attain Nibbana >  > " Buddham saranam gachchanmi " means that I am following the teaching of lord buddha. if some one follows his twachings he will never fall in trouble and attain Nibbana at the end. > Who follows the teaching of buddha will automatically be protected from any evil. > All the shastras like jyotishya are for people who do not know the teachings of buddha or do not follow the teachings of budhdha. >  >  > Unfotunately lot of indians have forgotten lord buddha and buddha,s teachings >  > Ratnayake. > > --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > Friday, 19 March, 2010, 10:44 > > >  > > > > > Dear All, > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > searching truth. > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > this topic. > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Sir Raj Bhargwaj ji, I haven't understood one thing; they say that both Lord Buddha and Lord Mahavir were against idol worship. But the most splended nad greatest idols are of these two only. Why so? Regards Kulbir Bains. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Dear Nihal Rathnayake, > A very informative msg indeed. I have understood quite a lot from the given > analysis of Lord Budha's teachings in nutshell, by you. With my best > regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > <%40>, > Nihal Rathnayake <rrpnrathnayake wrote: > > > > Dear friends > > I am not that clever in the subject.But I like to let you know some thing > about subject > >  > > Lord Buddha is a great indian with following noble qualities > >  > > " Arahang " -not invole in any sinfull act not even in secret > >  > > Sama sambuddho - Understood the four noble truths (dukka stthyaya, > samudhaya satthyaya, Nirodha satthayaya and Marga satthaya) by himself > without a teacher > >  > > vijjacharana sampanno -knew " Ashta vidya " and followed 15 " charana > dharma " > >  > > sugatho -came to the good status (Nibbana) forever > >  > > lokavidu - knew abut earth(manussa lokaya), heaven including Brahmas > place and hell including animal world > >  > > Purisadamma sarathi- sccesfull in tking any power full one in the > world to the correct path(conquer any body) > >  > > satta devamanussanam -teacher to men and gods > >  > > buddho-could make others understand dhamma so that they also can attain > Nibbana > >  > > " Buddham saranam gachchanmi " means that I am following the teaching of > lord buddha. if some one follows his twachings he will never fall in trouble > and attain Nibbana at the end. > > Who follows the teaching of buddha will automatically be protected from > any evil. > > All the shastras like jyotishya are for people who do not know the > teachings of buddha or do not follow the teachings of budhdha. > >  > >  > > Unfotunately lot of indians have forgotten lord buddha and buddha,s > teachings > >  > > Ratnayake. > > > > --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > <%40> > > Friday, 19 March, 2010, 10:44 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > searching truth. > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > this topic. > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Kulbir, I would hold them suspect (not practicing what they preached), if the idols were built by them or at their behest. I think it is safe to assume that all the idols were created by their disciples or other fans (Kings etc who wished to worship the two great human beings. Won't you agree? Regards, Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir Raj Bhargwaj ji, > I haven't understood one thing; > they say that both Lord Buddha and Lord Mahavir were against idol worship. > But the most splended nad greatest idols are of these two only. Why so? > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Nihal Rathnayake, > > A very informative msg indeed. I have understood quite a lot from the given > > analysis of Lord Budha's teachings in nutshell, by you. With my best > > regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > <%40>, > > Nihal Rathnayake <rrpnrathnayake@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends > > > I am not that clever in the subject.But I like to let you know some thing > > about subject > > >  > > > Lord Buddha is a great indian with following noble qualities > > >  > > > " Arahang " -not invole in any sinfull act not even in secret > > >  > > > Sama sambuddho - Understood the four noble truths (dukka stthyaya, > > samudhaya satthyaya, Nirodha satthayaya and Marga satthaya) by himself > > without a teacher > > >  > > > vijjacharana sampanno -knew " Ashta vidya " and followed 15 " charana > > dharma " > > >  > > > sugatho -came to the good status (Nibbana) forever > > >  > > > lokavidu - knew abut earth(manussa lokaya), heaven including Brahmas > > place and hell including animal world > > >  > > > Purisadamma sarathi- sccesfull in tking any power full one in the > > world to the correct path(conquer any body) > > >  > > > satta devamanussanam -teacher to men and gods > > >  > > > buddho-could make others understand dhamma so that they also can attain > > Nibbana > > >  > > > " Buddham saranam gachchanmi " means that I am following the teaching of > > lord buddha. if some one follows his twachings he will never fall in trouble > > and attain Nibbana at the end. > > > Who follows the teaching of buddha will automatically be protected from > > any evil. > > > All the shastras like jyotishya are for people who do not know the > > teachings of buddha or do not follow the teachings of budhdha. > > >  > > >  > > > Unfotunately lot of indians have forgotten lord buddha and buddha,s > > teachings > > >  > > > Ratnayake. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@> > > > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > <%40> > > > Friday, 19 March, 2010, 10:44 > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > > searching truth. > > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 SiRR ji, Very true, Corruption creeps in anything organised be it politics or religion. Only underworld and crime run smoothly and develop with organisation. Other part of society deteriorate. regards Kulbir Bains. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > Kulbir, > > I would hold them suspect (not practicing what they preached), if the idols > were built by them or at their behest. I think it is safe to assume that all > the idols were created by their disciples or other fans (Kings etc who > wished to worship the two great human beings. > > Won't you agree? > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > > Sir Raj Bhargwaj ji, > > I haven't understood one thing; > > they say that both Lord Buddha and Lord Mahavir were against idol > worship. > > But the most splended nad greatest idols are of these two only. Why so? > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nihal Rathnayake, > > > A very informative msg indeed. I have understood quite a lot from the > given > > > analysis of Lord Budha's teachings in nutshell, by you. With my best > > > regards. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > Nihal Rathnayake <rrpnrathnayake@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends > > > > I am not that clever in the subject.But I like to let you know some > thing > > > about subject > > > >  > > > > Lord Buddha is a great indian with following noble qualities > > > >  > > > > " Arahang " -not invole in any sinfull act not even in secret > > > >  > > > > Sama sambuddho - Understood the four noble truths (dukka stthyaya, > > > samudhaya satthyaya, Nirodha satthayaya and Marga satthaya) by himself > > > without a teacher > > > >  > > > > vijjacharana sampanno -knew " Ashta vidya " and followed 15 " charana > > > dharma " > > > >  > > > > sugatho -came to the good status (Nibbana) forever > > > >  > > > > lokavidu - knew abut earth(manussa lokaya), heaven including Brahmas > > > place and hell including animal world > > > >  > > > > Purisadamma sarathi- sccesfull in tking any power full one in the > > > world to the correct path(conquer any body) > > > >  > > > > satta devamanussanam -teacher to men and gods > > > >  > > > > buddho-could make others understand dhamma so that they also can > attain > > > Nibbana > > > >  > > > > " Buddham saranam gachchanmi " means that I am following the teaching > of > > > lord buddha. if some one follows his twachings he will never fall in > trouble > > > and attain Nibbana at the end. > > > > Who follows the teaching of buddha will automatically be protected > from > > > any evil. > > > > All the shastras like jyotishya are for people who do not know the > > > teachings of buddha or do not follow the teachings of budhdha. > > > >  > > > >  > > > > Unfotunately lot of indians have forgotten lord buddha and buddha,s > > > teachings > > > >  > > > > Ratnayake. > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949@> > > > > > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > > Friday, 19 March, 2010, 10:44 > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged > from > > > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to > have > > > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman > and > > > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the > Samay > > > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. > In > > > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play > their > > > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective > Gurus. > > > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to > change > > > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, > triggered > > > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained > Budhee,attained > > > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he > displayed > > > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The > BAUDH > > > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, > as > > > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right > from > > > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the > need > > > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and > Sh > > > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did > not > > > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can > follow > > > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World > War-I > > > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell > bound. > > > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few > cities > > > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , > to > > > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing > in > > > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and > see > > > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We > have > > > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path > or > > > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this > is > > > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , > our > > > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I > say > > > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of > Dashaavtaraas, > > > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that > it > > > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and > becomes > > > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER > for > > > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the > thoughts > > > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She > shares > > > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who > tune-in > > > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar > rakesh_771119@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . > This > > > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable > hidden > > > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our > under > > > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > > > searching truth. > > > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away > from > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope > at > > > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field > that > > > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic > in > > > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the > sayings > > > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it > NOW! > > > > http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Dear sirs It is not 100% correct to say Lord Buddha was against idol worship. If you like you can worship the Buddha,s statue or relics of the BUDDHA or Arhath(monks who atained Nibbana) just to build up the faith on Lord Buddha. Worshiping only will not pave the way for ataining Nibbana.You have to follow the Eight fould path ( " Arya Ashtangika Magga " ) Ratnayake --- On Tue, 23/3/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb Re: Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 19:25 Sir Raj Bhargwaj ji, I haven't understood one thing; they say that both Lord Buddha and Lord Mahavir were against idol worship. But the most splended nad greatest idols are of these two only. Why so? Regards Kulbir Bains. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Dear Nihal Rathnayake, > A very informative msg indeed. I have understood quite a lot from the given > analysis of Lord Budha's teachings in nutshell, by you. With my best > regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > <%40>, > Nihal Rathnayake <rrpnrathnayake wrote: > > > > Dear friends > > I am not that clever in the subject.But I like to let you know some thing > about subject > >  > > Lord Buddha is a great indian with following noble qualities > >  > > " Arahang " -not invole in any sinfull act not even in secret > >  > > Sama sambuddho - Understood the four noble truths (dukka stthyaya, > samudhaya satthyaya, Nirodha satthayaya and Marga satthaya) by himself > without a teacher > >  > > vijjacharana sampanno -knew " Ashta vidya " and followed 15 " charana > dharma " > >  > > sugatho -came to the good status (Nibbana) forever > >  > > lokavidu - knew abut earth(manussa lokaya), heaven including Brahmas > place and hell including animal world > >  > > Purisadamma sarathi- sccesfull in tking any power full one in the > world to the correct path(conquer any body) > >  > > satta devamanussanam -teacher to men and gods > >  > > buddho-could make others understand dhamma so that they also can attain > Nibbana > >  > > " Buddham saranam gachchanmi " means that I am following the teaching of > lord buddha. if some one follows his twachings he will never fall in trouble > and attain Nibbana at the end. > > Who follows the teaching of buddha will automatically be protected from > any evil. > > All the shastras like jyotishya are for people who do not know the > teachings of buddha or do not follow the teachings of budhdha. > >  > >  > > Unfotunately lot of indians have forgotten lord buddha and buddha,s > teachings > >  > > Ratnayake. > > > > --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 > > > Re: " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " > > <%40> > > Friday, 19 March, 2010, 10:44 > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > Budh + Dhee = Budhee. Pancham bhava in jyotish is also called 'Dhee > > Bhava' ,'Santan Bhava " among quite a few other matters to be judged from > > the Pancham bhava. In some parts of our country, Dhee simply denotes > > daughter. When a jataka becomes father, he is normally appears to have > > become ; and thus called a wise person or blessed one or a Budheeman and > > a changed person. Let us have a look at the Dashavataras. As the Samay > > deemed, Vishnu Avtaras appeared on our Dharti,for very short periods. In > > the roopas of manav, the Avtaras came for longer duration to play their > > Leela as Rama Parshu Ram, Krishna. They also had their respective Gurus. > > Lord Budha did not come to this earth to play any leela. Lord Budha > > followed the path, as was predicted by the Raaj -Jyotishis of the > > palace. Inspite/despite all worldly efforts made by his father to change > > the course of life of his beloved son, a sorrowful happening, triggered > > his atma; and he left the worldly comforts. He attained Budhee,attained > > under the Bodheestva Tree,after a long tapasya and inward looking.and > > became a Budha. That is What was required in his times, and he displayed > > to all world that Now onwards, it was time for Peace,Ahimsa and > > attaining deeper knowledge. That was the last Avtaar, which is > > represented by planet Budh. Those who understood him followed him, > > including King Ashoka,after the Kalinga War, and a new Dharma The BAUDH > > DHARMA, took it roots in our vast continent based on the teachings of > > Budha. Lord Rama emphasised on the dharma ,the duties of the manav, as > > despcribed in the Shastras. Lord Krishna had different Mayas right from > > the time he took birth and played multifaceted roles. That was the need > > of the time, and it is for nothing that Ramayana and Mahabharata and Sh > > Bhagwad Gita are the epices. The leelas of Lord Rama and Krishna did not > > result in birth of any new Dharma. But the followers chant Hare Rama > > Hare Krishna. Ramayan and Geeta is mostly kept in homes and temples , > > but Mahabharat is avoided. Budha guided us to take shelter under our > > Dhee or Budhee for all times to come. It is for all those who can follow > > his path of simple teachings of Satya , Ahimnsa and the Dharma. The > > teachings are simple, but really not the easiest to follow in the > > Kaliyuga by all. We generally do not hear Hare Budha or Jai > > Budha......but is it not amazing for the mankind that after World War-I > > and World War-II, the real progress in all fields of Science and > > Technology have made so much rapid progress which makes us spell bound. > > Remember, at the time of independence of India in 1947, only few cities > > in the country had electricity. Very few bi-cycles,Scooters, Mobikes, > > Cars. No education or medical or communication ,trnsportation systems > > (except the Railways the gift of British to India) worth the name , to > > name a few, was in place for such a vast country What has happened in > > the life time of people born in 1947. How much miracalous and aweful > > inventions/objects the people born around 1920 -30 must be observing in > > their life at this time. I happen to meet very old people also and see > > them exclaming " Beta kya kya Maya ho rahi hai rojana. Can we call it > > Budham Sharnam ? Living in the creative work of Budhi of the people , > > after the Budha Avtara. Is it not helping mankind ? This is the real > > teaching of Budha,which have universally inspired the mankind. We have > > always been taught to do our Karmas, because our Avtaras, Rishis, > > Munis, Thinkers knew that performing Karmas(following the right path or > > dharma) is the best thing for the humanity and not the renunciation, > > because this is the most difficult Karma....the renunciation. So this is > > the miracle of Budha, our Pancham house, our Dhee, our Budh-dhee , our > > Dhee Mahee. Therefore, I feel that best path obviously appears to be > > the Budham Sharnam ,which the mankind is showing untiringly. May I say > > that all planets have shown themselves in the roopas of Dashaavtaraas, > > and we jyotishi are struck up in bad planets, good planets,neecha and > > vakri planet, margi planet, the most fearsome,Rahu Dasha , Shani > > Dasha,Sade-Sati and Dhaiyya of Saturn ! Let us learn and march little > > ahead with the blessings of Budha. My best regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I am sorry Rakesh_jee if I am sounding abrasive or uncaring, but > > hopefully not impolite or insincere! > > > > > > The strongest indication of spiritual maturity and growth is that it > > brings detachment! Detachment comes from the increasing CLARITY which > > comes to the spiritually- advanced and spiritually- mature and becomes > > evident very readily. Spiritual maturity removes the NEED and HUNGER for > > appreciation by others or excessive SENSITIVITY (all upper case for > > emphasis and not displaying frustration or anger :-)) > > > > > > The spiritually- mature person does not fall in love with the thoughts > > or ideas or VISION and MISSION for Earth and Humanity! He or She shares > > an idea, vision, comment and then walks away from it. Those who tune-in > > tune-in, those who do not, they will when the time is right for them! > > > > > > Hope all readers will take it in the right spirit! > > > > > > May we all turn Spiritual! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , Rakesh Kumar rakesh_771119@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Rohini Ji,Utkal Ji and others, > > > > > > > > Please try to under stand the topic " Budham Sharnam Gachhami " . This > > is not relate to a person but there is some thing very valuable hidden > > in it which give us a great message. But if it will be out of our under > > standing ,we can't search the truth.So I request all to work out > > seriously on this topic and you will find a real way to go behind in > > searching truth. > > > > I am agreed with Utkal Ji about the message of our Upnishada.but > > this is not the answer of this topic but simply a try to run away from > > this topic. > > > > > > > > I am very disappointed that I have presented a so brilliant topic > > but no body has time to pay a single moment to think over it. I hope at > > least from Sh.V.Jha who has practical experience in spiritual field that > > he will spare some of his valuable time to elaborate the above topic in > > detail so that all of us have a right under standing about the sayings > > of a very experienced Master Bhagwan Budha. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rakesh Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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