Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the kleem

beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a few easy

sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

 

Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to study

better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy grow, to

have peace within your mind etc etc.

 

I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana for

them. Just the mantra and thats all.

 

Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

 

Regards,

 

Awies

[Guest guest]

Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But it would

be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a Tapasvee ,dead honest

& competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to get a Tapsvee ,dead honest &

competent Guru firstly you should follow the path of Tapsya wisely and then you

may get a chance to see your Guru who will tell you BEEZ Mantra which is

required for you.

Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few so called

Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change Beez Mantra per

month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from followers.It is also very

strange thing that these Beez Mantra

are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering astrological

knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not advertising for

any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so called Gurujis

and tell their story.

With good wishes,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

awies2004 <awies2001

 

Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

 

 

Dear all,

 

a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the kleem

beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a few easy

sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

 

Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to study

better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy grow, to

have peace within your mind etc etc.

 

I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana for

them. Just the mantra and thats all.

 

Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

 

Regards,

 

Awies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give such

deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

--

Regards

Kulbir Bians

 

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But it

> would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to get a

> Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the path of

> Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will tell

> you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few so

> called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change Beez

> Mantra per month and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering astrological

> knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not advertising

> for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so called

> Gurujis and tell their story.

> With good wishes,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>

>

> ________________________________

> awies2004 <awies2001 <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> <%40>

> Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

>

>

>

> Dear all,

>

> a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a few

> easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

>

> Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to study

> better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy grow,

> to have peace within your mind etc etc.

>

> I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana

> for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

>

> Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

>

> Regards,

>

> Awies

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbirji,It makes no difference whether Gurus give such Deeksha on mike to

hundreds of people together in camp or they blow Shankh in the ear of a

particular aspirant.Because it is firstly called Mantra Deeksha- means brain

washing.Next comes PRAN Deeksha,Agini Deeksha and so on.At this level there

should not be any cheating on the part of so called Gurus.But I feel that such

cheaters can not harm,if aspirants are really in the search of knowledge.How

ever let the Gurus run their fancy shops.

With regards, 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

 

Sat, March 20, 2010 9:53:37 PM

Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

 

Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give such

deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

--

Regards

Kulbir Bians

 

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But it

> would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to get a

> Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the path of

> Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will tell

> you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few so

> called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change Beez

> Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering astrological

> knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not advertising

> for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so called

> Gurujis and tell their story.

> With good wishes,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>

>

> ________________________________

> awies2004 <awies2001 <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> <%40>

> Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

>

>

>

> Dear all,

>

> a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a few

> easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

>

> Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to study

> better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy grow,

> to have peace within your mind etc etc.

>

> I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana

> for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

>

> Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

>

> Regards,

>

> Awies

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mishra ji,

What is the significance of 12 years. in punjab deeksha was never given

until the disciple lived as per the Guru's instructions for a period of 12

years. Plus Why was the exile of Lord Ram for 12 years only?

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Kulbirji,It makes no difference whether Gurus give such Deeksha on

> mike to hundreds of people together in camp or they blow Shankh in the ear

> of a particular aspirant.Because it is firstly called Mantra Deeksha- means

> brain washing.Next comes PRAN Deeksha,Agini Deeksha and so on.At this level

> there should not be any cheating on the part of so called Gurus.But I feel

> that such cheaters can not harm,if aspirants are really in the search of

> knowledge.How ever let the Gurus run their fancy shops.

> With regards,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>

>

> ________________________________

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb <lalkitabkb%40gmail.com>>

>

> <%40>

> Sat, March 20, 2010 9:53:37 PM

> Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

>

>

> Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give

> such

> deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> --

> Regards

> Kulbir Bians

>

> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

> dhirendranathmisra <dhirendranathmisra%40ymail.com>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But

> it

> > would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to

> get a

> > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the path

> of

> > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will

> tell

> > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few so

> > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change

> Beez

> > Mantra per month and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> > followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering astrological

> > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not advertising

> > for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so

> called

> > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > With good wishes,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > awies2004 <awies2001 <awies2001%40hotmail.com><awies2001%

> 40hotmail.com>>

> > To:

<%40><Jyotish_Rem\

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> 40>

>

> > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a

> few

> > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

> >

> > Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to

> study

> > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy

> grow,

> > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> >

> > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana

> > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> >

> > Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Awies

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbirji & Dhirendra,

 

 

As i heave read in books of L.R. Chawdhri when one has no Guru or possibilty to

find one he should always recite the Guru mantra Gurur bhramna Gurur Vishn ....

and accept Shiv as his guru. if i aint mistaking. i will search for that part

once more and if incorrect i will correct it with a new msg.

As for those guru who do hundreds of mike's its there responsibilty.

 

For as far as its for me i am not ready for a guru. For he who is suppose to be

my Guru has not come onto my pad. When he does i will find out. Till then i

accept the fact that my guru's are my Parents grand parents and ofcourse Shiva

and Krishna. For all i know till now i have learned directly or indirectly

from them and thx to them.

 

Anyway not to get off topic.

 

I have also read that when a simple sadhana is done without a guru it might take

longer but does not mean its not good or wont happen. when it comes to bigger

sadhana's like Kali sadhana or Baglamukhi Sadhana then the guidence of a

Competent person (Guru) is needed.

 

If any of you know any simple sadhana's for beej mantra Shreem or other please

be kind enough to tell me with explanation

 

Thank you.

 

Regards,

 

Awies

 

, Dhirendra Nath Misra

<dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji,It makes no difference whether Gurus give such Deeksha on mike

to hundreds of people together in camp or they blow Shankh in the ear of a

particular aspirant.Because it is firstly called Mantra Deeksha- means brain

washing.Next comes PRAN Deeksha,Agini Deeksha and so on.At this level there

should not be any cheating on the part of so called Gurus.But I feel that such

cheaters can not harm,if aspirants are really in the search of knowledge.How

ever let the Gurus run their fancy shops.

> With regards, 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

>

> Sat, March 20, 2010 9:53:37 PM

> Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

>

> Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give such

> deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> --

> Regards

> Kulbir Bians

>

> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

> dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But it

> > would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the path of

> > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will tell

> > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few so

> > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change Beez

> > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> > followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering astrological

> > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not advertising

> > for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so called

> > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > With good wishes,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > awies2004 <awies2001 <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > <%40>

> > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a few

> > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

> >

> > Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to study

> > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy grow,

> > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> >

> > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana

> > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> >

> > Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Awies

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What about other religions and cultures? Do they fit in this FRAMEWORK that you

propose/describe? Are Hindus alone worthy of salvation??

 

I hope I am not leading you astray, but I once saw a movie that was

trans-cultural/trans-religion!

 

It was titled " Being There " with Peter Sellers (Remember, " Party " ? 'Birdie

num_num!')

 

Looked at superficially, it was nothing, but it was not meant to be watched

superficially! Hank Williams brought to light another aspect of this SIMPLICITY

in " Life is a box of chocolates! " , but from a different perspective!

 

I am not trying to waste your precious time, but just highlighting that there

are many ways at looking at the same " DIAMOND " to appreciate the hundreds of

'facets' that a diamond has! The Vajra of Reality!

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " awies2004 " <awies2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji & Dhirendra,

>

>

> As i heave read in books of L.R. Chawdhri when one has no Guru or possibilty

to find one he should always recite the Guru mantra Gurur bhramna Gurur Vishn

..... and accept Shiv as his guru. if i aint mistaking. i will search for that

part once more and if incorrect i will correct it with a new msg.

> As for those guru who do hundreds of mike's its there responsibilty.

>

> For as far as its for me i am not ready for a guru. For he who is suppose to

be my Guru has not come onto my pad. When he does i will find out. Till then i

accept the fact that my guru's are my Parents grand parents and ofcourse Shiva

and Krishna. For all i know till now i have learned directly or indirectly

from them and thx to them.

>

> Anyway not to get off topic.

>

> I have also read that when a simple sadhana is done without a guru it might

take longer but does not mean its not good or wont happen. when it comes to

bigger sadhana's like Kali sadhana or Baglamukhi Sadhana then the guidence of a

Competent person (Guru) is needed.

>

> If any of you know any simple sadhana's for beej mantra Shreem or other please

be kind enough to tell me with explanation

>

> Thank you.

>

> Regards,

>

> Awies

>

> , Dhirendra Nath Misra

<dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji,It makes no difference whether Gurus give such Deeksha on mike

to hundreds of people together in camp or they blow Shankh in the ear of a

particular aspirant.Because it is firstly called Mantra Deeksha- means brain

washing.Next comes PRAN Deeksha,Agini Deeksha and so on.At this level there

should not be any cheating on the part of so called Gurus.But I feel that such

cheaters can not harm,if aspirants are really in the search of knowledge.How

ever let the Gurus run their fancy shops.

> > With regards, 

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> >

> > Sat, March 20, 2010 9:53:37 PM

> > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> >

> > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give such

> > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > --

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bians

> >

> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

> > dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But it

> > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to get

a

> > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the path

of

> > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will tell

> > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few so

> > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change Beez

> > > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering astrological

> > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not advertising

> > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so

called

> > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > With good wishes,

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > awies2004 <awies2001@ <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > > <%40>

> > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a few

> > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

> > >

> > > Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to study

> > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy grow,

> > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > >

> > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana

> > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Awies

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Kulbir_praaji,

 

This 'regulation', " ...if deeksha of beej mantra is given by competent guru,

then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring salvation to the

disciple. " -- has an interesting wrinkle!

 

It implies that the Guru himself/herself has already attained salvation!

 

I think it is safe to assume that such deekshas are being given in the hundreds

of thousands, if not millions, world-wide ;-)

 

Now Chelaa poochtaa hai, " If there are so many millions of Gurus who have

attained salvation already... Why is the earth and humanity suffering so much? "

:-B

 

~Sab kuch seekha humnay, naa seekhie hoshiyari, Sach hai duniya walon kay hum

SUB hain anadi/anari!~

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give such

> deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> --

> Regards

> Kulbir Bians

>

> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

> dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But it

> > would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the path of

> > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will tell

> > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few so

> > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change Beez

> > Mantra per month and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> > followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering astrological

> > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not advertising

> > for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so called

> > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > With good wishes,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > awies2004 <awies2001 <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > <%40>

> > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a few

> > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and others.

> >

> > Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to study

> > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy grow,

> > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> >

> > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any sadhana

> > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> >

> > Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Awies

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

The question of responsibility for once growth and development by the " Guru " how

relevant and appropriate?

I was present with Shri Shri Sankaracharya of kamkotipeetham in Delhi and was

giving advice to ministers including Smt Susshma Swaraj,the then Cabinet

minister and several prominent people.

After Swamy Ji's darshan,people were given deeksha for thos who are interested

to follow the advice of Shri Shankaracharya Ji.

here Guru is Swamy ji himself and gives the importance of Deeksha and how to

conduct and what is to be done invariably as part of Dina Charya that is daily

activity.

he gives Updesa by confidentially reciting aamnatra in the ears of the the

person that volunteered and Swamy ji has agreed to administer deeksha to him.

From that day on wards what eve rhe does has to be more meaningful and

responsible for his won action.

After following a specific regime the follower has to recite the Mantra given by

Guru.This may contain beeja akshra.

Till completion of his course life he has to follow ideals of the Guru.and is

not supposed to involve in extraneous matters.

The beeja mantra shall have impact progressively and helps the person that

follows the regime.

In the whole process the devotee of the Swamy ji has more responsibility and

accountability in his actions and words.

where as some Gurus like Mata Amritanand Mayee also gives mantorddharana upadesa

besides several other swamy ji like from Ahmedabad now under media glare.These

guru Jis with mass appeal hold bahjans ,upadesas but Guru manthroddharana is

made as one to one and slected few ones.

The faith that is involved in Guru-Mantra upadesa carries significance for both

of them.

It is advised that as and one he gets time he has to renew his meetings with

Guru Ji and follow his advices.

This is how Guru Mantra shakti gets fortified for the objectives which a person

has in mind in taking Deeksha and Mantropadesam.

The rest of the things that come through media and otherwise publicity is only

stuff that adds to gossip and curiosity.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

 

--- On Sat, 3/20/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

 

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

> Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

>

> Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:23 PM

> Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if

> deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the

> guru to bring

> salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of

> gurus who give such

> deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> --

> Regards

> Kulbir Bians

>

> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> <

> dhirendranathmisra

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material

> from this forum.But it

> > would be better to get the required Mantra from the

> mouth of a

> > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For

> spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you

> should follow the path of

> > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see

> your Guru who will tell

> > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by

> some one/by few so

> > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he

> changes/they change Beez

> > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is

> being charged from

> > followers.It is also very strange thing that these

> Beez Mantra

> > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of

> gathering astrological

> > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they

> make true/falls

> > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I

> am not advertising

> > for any one.But people come to me after they have been

> cheated by so called

> > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > With good wishes,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > awies2004 <awies2001

> <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> >

> <%40>

> > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > Information about beej mantra sadhana's

> ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a

> beej mantra. the

> > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here

> could help me with a few

> > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata,

> Saraswati mata and others.

> >

> > Could i also get information as for what it can be

> used for. like to study

> > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration,

> to spiritualy grow,

> > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> >

> > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not

> found any sadhana

> > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> >

> > Thank you very much for any and all the information

> you can give.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Awies

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Beautiful sharing, Dada!

 

And similar stories and experiences have been reported by others from all times,

cultures, religions and other nuances of Human Experience!

 

And that is where, in my puny experience, the seeds of reality exist!

 

Unique and exclusive are the other names of COMMON! Like multiple I.D.s on

Internet ;-)

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> The question of responsibility for once growth and development by the

" Guru " how relevant and appropriate?

> I was present with Shri Shri Sankaracharya of kamkotipeetham in Delhi and was

giving advice to ministers including Smt Susshma Swaraj,the then Cabinet

minister and several prominent people.

> After Swamy Ji's darshan,people were given deeksha for thos who are interested

to follow the advice of Shri Shankaracharya Ji.

> here Guru is Swamy ji himself and gives the importance of Deeksha and how to

conduct and what is to be done invariably as part of Dina Charya that is daily

activity.

> he gives Updesa by confidentially reciting aamnatra in the ears of the the

person that volunteered and Swamy ji has agreed to administer deeksha to him.

> From that day on wards what eve rhe does has to be more meaningful and

responsible for his won action.

> After following a specific regime the follower has to recite the Mantra given

by Guru.This may contain beeja akshra.

> Till completion of his course life he has to follow ideals of the Guru.and is

not supposed to involve in extraneous matters.

> The beeja mantra shall have impact progressively and helps the person that

follows the regime.

> In the whole process the devotee of the Swamy ji has more responsibility and

accountability in his actions and words.

> where as some Gurus like Mata Amritanand Mayee also gives mantorddharana

upadesa besides several other swamy ji like from Ahmedabad now under media

glare.These guru Jis with mass appeal hold bahjans ,upadesas but Guru

manthroddharana is made as one to one and slected few ones.

> The faith that is involved in Guru-Mantra upadesa carries significance for

both of them.

> It is advised that as and one he gets time he has to renew his meetings with

Guru Ji and follow his advices.

> This is how Guru Mantra shakti gets fortified for the objectives which a

person has in mind in taking Deeksha and Mantropadesam.

> The rest of the things that come through media and otherwise publicity is only

stuff that adds to gossip and curiosity.

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

>

> --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

> > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> >

> > Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:23 PM

> > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if

> > deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the

> > guru to bring

> > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of

> > gurus who give such

> > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > --

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bians

> >

> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > <

> > dhirendranathmisra

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material

> > from this forum.But it

> > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the

> > mouth of a

> > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For

> > spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you

> > should follow the path of

> > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see

> > your Guru who will tell

> > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by

> > some one/by few so

> > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he

> > changes/they change Beez

> > > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is

> > being charged from

> > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these

> > Beez Mantra

> > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of

> > gathering astrological

> > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they

> > make true/falls

> > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I

> > am not advertising

> > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been

> > cheated by so called

> > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > With good wishes,

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > awies2004 <awies2001

> > <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > >

> > <%40>

> > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's

> > ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a

> > beej mantra. the

> > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here

> > could help me with a few

> > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata,

> > Saraswati mata and others.

> > >

> > > Could i also get information as for what it can be

> > used for. like to study

> > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration,

> > to spiritualy grow,

> > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > >

> > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not

> > found any sadhana

> > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for any and all the information

> > you can give.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Awies

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just to elaborate a bit more, different experiences that I was made privy to,

which to me seem relevant to earlier posting.

 

One person had this very strong connection to the scent that arises when the

first rain meets the parched earth after summer! I hope some of you have smelt

that?

 

This person moved to a land thousands of miles away and was embraced by some

familiars but so many NEW things and choices and so on. After winter passed and

so did several months, one day when the ground -- very different from before --

was spewing heat, the first rain arrived! It " smelt " the same when the first

rain hit the new earth! He realized that he never left HOME!

 

I will stop there, though there were shared a few other memories too but I do

not wish to bore or distract you wonderful people.

 

The best and most effective remedy to begin to address, thwart and reverse KARMA

is MEMORY! Dreams and Reflections additionally, help too! ;-)

 

What one FORGETS is so easy to IGNORE! AND that then becomes the MONKey that

lands on our back, sometimes during this lifetime but certainly during the NEXT

or one in future!

 

I think that is how the expression came to be passed down: " The monkey on our

back! "

 

So is it mercury, astrologically-speaking that defines karma? Or is it moon the

icon of memory and chanchaltaa -- kind of like a monkey oh so playful!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Beautiful sharing, Dada!

>

> And similar stories and experiences have been reported by others from all

times, cultures, religions and other nuances of Human Experience!

>

> And that is where, in my puny experience, the seeds of reality exist!

>

> Unique and exclusive are the other names of COMMON! Like multiple I.D.s on

Internet ;-)

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > The question of responsibility for once growth and development by the

" Guru " how relevant and appropriate?

> > I was present with Shri Shri Sankaracharya of kamkotipeetham in Delhi and

was giving advice to ministers including Smt Susshma Swaraj,the then Cabinet

minister and several prominent people.

> > After Swamy Ji's darshan,people were given deeksha for thos who are

interested to follow the advice of Shri Shankaracharya Ji.

> > here Guru is Swamy ji himself and gives the importance of Deeksha and how to

conduct and what is to be done invariably as part of Dina Charya that is daily

activity.

> > he gives Updesa by confidentially reciting aamnatra in the ears of the the

person that volunteered and Swamy ji has agreed to administer deeksha to him.

> > From that day on wards what eve rhe does has to be more meaningful and

responsible for his won action.

> > After following a specific regime the follower has to recite the Mantra

given by Guru.This may contain beeja akshra.

> > Till completion of his course life he has to follow ideals of the Guru.and

is not supposed to involve in extraneous matters.

> > The beeja mantra shall have impact progressively and helps the person that

follows the regime.

> > In the whole process the devotee of the Swamy ji has more responsibility and

accountability in his actions and words.

> > where as some Gurus like Mata Amritanand Mayee also gives mantorddharana

upadesa besides several other swamy ji like from Ahmedabad now under media

glare.These guru Jis with mass appeal hold bahjans ,upadesas but Guru

manthroddharana is made as one to one and slected few ones.

> > The faith that is involved in Guru-Mantra upadesa carries significance for

both of them.

> > It is advised that as and one he gets time he has to renew his meetings with

Guru Ji and follow his advices.

> > This is how Guru Mantra shakti gets fortified for the objectives which a

person has in mind in taking Deeksha and Mantropadesam.

> > The rest of the things that come through media and otherwise publicity is

only stuff that adds to gossip and curiosity.

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> >

> >

> > --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > >

> > > Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:23 PM

> > > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if

> > > deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the

> > > guru to bring

> > > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of

> > > gurus who give such

> > > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > > --

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bians

> > >

> > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > <

> > > dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material

> > > from this forum.But it

> > > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the

> > > mouth of a

> > > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For

> > > spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you

> > > should follow the path of

> > > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see

> > > your Guru who will tell

> > > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by

> > > some one/by few so

> > > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he

> > > changes/they change Beez

> > > > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is

> > > being charged from

> > > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these

> > > Beez Mantra

> > > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of

> > > gathering astrological

> > > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they

> > > make true/falls

> > > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I

> > > am not advertising

> > > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been

> > > cheated by so called

> > > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > > With good wishes,

> > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > awies2004 <awies2001@

> > > <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's

> > > ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a

> > > beej mantra. the

> > > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here

> > > could help me with a few

> > > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata,

> > > Saraswati mata and others.

> > > >

> > > > Could i also get information as for what it can be

> > > used for. like to study

> > > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration,

> > > to spiritualy grow,

> > > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not

> > > found any sadhana

> > > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for any and all the information

> > > you can give.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Awies

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Guru jees,

 

I have been many times thinking about the horoscopes of Yogi,s, real Mahatama

who achieve Salvation or Nirvana but I could never get an accurate chart.1st,

5th and 9th is spritual triangle, but many times 8th house although house of

suffering is considered to be spritual house. Lord Budhha had great sufferings

all his life, even he died of cholera/food poisoning, so can we say that 8th

house is Nirvana house. 4th, 8th and 12th trangle is Moksha triangle. Is

everybody passing all phases of life or direct fusion[KP linkages] of spritual

trangle with Moksha trangle is Salvation. But beeja Mantra[or so] come out of

mouth to ear so 2nd and 3rd house involved. Eating and sleeping are also

connected with everybody. So called bad planets- rahu,ketu, shani,mangal etc are

also there is each chart[or can we remove these from spritual charts].

 

This issue has always confused me.Reading of Charts of Dalai Lama, and

Yogananad etc did not solve my probem.

 

About 5 years ago in this forum itself we were trying to analyse chart of

Shankracharya who got invoved in some controversy and TamilNadu police captured

him. At that time that chart was looking so ordaniry although had very strong

relgiousity and fame.

 

Please help

 

Inder

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Just to elaborate a bit more, different experiences that I was made privy to,

which to me seem relevant to earlier posting.

>

> One person had this very strong connection to the scent that arises when the

first rain meets the parched earth after summer! I hope some of you have smelt

that?

>

> This person moved to a land thousands of miles away and was embraced by some

familiars but so many NEW things and choices and so on. After winter passed and

so did several months, one day when the ground -- very different from before --

was spewing heat, the first rain arrived! It " smelt " the same when the first

rain hit the new earth! He realized that he never left HOME!

>

> I will stop there, though there were shared a few other memories too but I do

not wish to bore or distract you wonderful people.

>

> The best and most effective remedy to begin to address, thwart and reverse

KARMA is MEMORY! Dreams and Reflections additionally, help too! ;-)

>

> What one FORGETS is so easy to IGNORE! AND that then becomes the MONKey that

lands on our back, sometimes during this lifetime but certainly during the NEXT

or one in future!

>

> I think that is how the expression came to be passed down: " The monkey on our

back! "

>

> So is it mercury, astrologically-speaking that defines karma? Or is it moon

the icon of memory and chanchaltaa -- kind of like a monkey oh so playful!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Beautiful sharing, Dada!

> >

> > And similar stories and experiences have been reported by others from all

times, cultures, religions and other nuances of Human Experience!

> >

> > And that is where, in my puny experience, the seeds of reality exist!

> >

> > Unique and exclusive are the other names of COMMON! Like multiple I.D.s on

Internet ;-)

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > > The question of responsibility for once growth and development by the

" Guru " how relevant and appropriate?

> > > I was present with Shri Shri Sankaracharya of kamkotipeetham in Delhi and

was giving advice to ministers including Smt Susshma Swaraj,the then Cabinet

minister and several prominent people.

> > > After Swamy Ji's darshan,people were given deeksha for thos who are

interested to follow the advice of Shri Shankaracharya Ji.

> > > here Guru is Swamy ji himself and gives the importance of Deeksha and how

to conduct and what is to be done invariably as part of Dina Charya that is

daily activity.

> > > he gives Updesa by confidentially reciting aamnatra in the ears of the the

person that volunteered and Swamy ji has agreed to administer deeksha to him.

> > > From that day on wards what eve rhe does has to be more meaningful and

responsible for his won action.

> > > After following a specific regime the follower has to recite the Mantra

given by Guru.This may contain beeja akshra.

> > > Till completion of his course life he has to follow ideals of the Guru.and

is not supposed to involve in extraneous matters.

> > > The beeja mantra shall have impact progressively and helps the person that

follows the regime.

> > > In the whole process the devotee of the Swamy ji has more responsibility

and accountability in his actions and words.

> > > where as some Gurus like Mata Amritanand Mayee also gives mantorddharana

upadesa besides several other swamy ji like from Ahmedabad now under media

glare.These guru Jis with mass appeal hold bahjans ,upadesas but Guru

manthroddharana is made as one to one and slected few ones.

> > > The faith that is involved in Guru-Mantra upadesa carries significance for

both of them.

> > > It is advised that as and one he gets time he has to renew his meetings

with Guru Ji and follow his advices.

> > > This is how Guru Mantra shakti gets fortified for the objectives which a

person has in mind in taking Deeksha and Mantropadesam.

> > > The rest of the things that come through media and otherwise publicity is

only stuff that adds to gossip and curiosity.

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:23 PM

> > > > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if

> > > > deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > > > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the

> > > > guru to bring

> > > > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of

> > > > gurus who give such

> > > > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > > > --

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bians

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > <

> > > > dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material

> > > > from this forum.But it

> > > > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the

> > > > mouth of a

> > > > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For

> > > > spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > > > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you

> > > > should follow the path of

> > > > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see

> > > > your Guru who will tell

> > > > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by

> > > > some one/by few so

> > > > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he

> > > > changes/they change Beez

> > > > > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is

> > > > being charged from

> > > > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these

> > > > Beez Mantra

> > > > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of

> > > > gathering astrological

> > > > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they

> > > > make true/falls

> > > > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I

> > > > am not advertising

> > > > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been

> > > > cheated by so called

> > > > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > > > With good wishes,

> > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > awies2004 <awies2001@

> > > > <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's

> > > > ?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > >

> > > > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a

> > > > beej mantra. the

> > > > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here

> > > > could help me with a few

> > > > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata,

> > > > Saraswati mata and others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could i also get information as for what it can be

> > > > used for. like to study

> > > > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration,

> > > > to spiritualy grow,

> > > > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not

> > > > found any sadhana

> > > > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much for any and all the information

> > > > you can give.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Awies

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Those like Dalai Lama and Vivekananda (we had some interesting encounters and

threads recently! :-)) are perhaps a bit over our head, Vohra ji, but maybe this

Shankracharya you mentioned, the one with a cloud over his head might be

interesting to members here who for the most part run into normal people and not

Religious, Political or Bollywood celebritities!

 

Also, if I may suggest, please share the birth data of this person and post a

few astrological comments and observations and then other members will warm up

and share!

 

It is so NICE to have you back again! :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Guru jees,

>

> I have been many times thinking about the horoscopes of Yogi,s, real Mahatama

who achieve Salvation or Nirvana but I could never get an accurate chart.1st,

5th and 9th is spritual triangle, but many times 8th house although house of

suffering is considered to be spritual house. Lord Budhha had great sufferings

all his life, even he died of cholera/food poisoning, so can we say that 8th

house is Nirvana house. 4th, 8th and 12th trangle is Moksha triangle. Is

everybody passing all phases of life or direct fusion[KP linkages] of spritual

trangle with Moksha trangle is Salvation. But beeja Mantra[or so] come out of

mouth to ear so 2nd and 3rd house involved. Eating and sleeping are also

connected with everybody. So called bad planets- rahu,ketu, shani,mangal etc are

also there is each chart[or can we remove these from spritual charts].

>

> This issue has always confused me.Reading of Charts of Dalai Lama, and

Yogananad etc did not solve my probem.

>

> About 5 years ago in this forum itself we were trying to analyse chart of

Shankracharya who got invoved in some controversy and TamilNadu police captured

him. At that time that chart was looking so ordaniry although had very strong

relgiousity and fame.

>

> Please help

>

> Inder

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Just to elaborate a bit more, different experiences that I was made privy

to, which to me seem relevant to earlier posting.

> >

> > One person had this very strong connection to the scent that arises when the

first rain meets the parched earth after summer! I hope some of you have smelt

that?

> >

> > This person moved to a land thousands of miles away and was embraced by some

familiars but so many NEW things and choices and so on. After winter passed and

so did several months, one day when the ground -- very different from before --

was spewing heat, the first rain arrived! It " smelt " the same when the first

rain hit the new earth! He realized that he never left HOME!

> >

> > I will stop there, though there were shared a few other memories too but I

do not wish to bore or distract you wonderful people.

> >

> > The best and most effective remedy to begin to address, thwart and reverse

KARMA is MEMORY! Dreams and Reflections additionally, help too! ;-)

> >

> > What one FORGETS is so easy to IGNORE! AND that then becomes the MONKey

that lands on our back, sometimes during this lifetime but certainly during the

NEXT or one in future!

> >

> > I think that is how the expression came to be passed down: " The monkey on

our back! "

> >

> > So is it mercury, astrologically-speaking that defines karma? Or is it moon

the icon of memory and chanchaltaa -- kind of like a monkey oh so playful!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Beautiful sharing, Dada!

> > >

> > > And similar stories and experiences have been reported by others from all

times, cultures, religions and other nuances of Human Experience!

> > >

> > > And that is where, in my puny experience, the seeds of reality exist!

> > >

> > > Unique and exclusive are the other names of COMMON! Like multiple I.D.s on

Internet ;-)

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > The question of responsibility for once growth and development by the

" Guru " how relevant and appropriate?

> > > > I was present with Shri Shri Sankaracharya of kamkotipeetham in Delhi

and was giving advice to ministers including Smt Susshma Swaraj,the then Cabinet

minister and several prominent people.

> > > > After Swamy Ji's darshan,people were given deeksha for thos who are

interested to follow the advice of Shri Shankaracharya Ji.

> > > > here Guru is Swamy ji himself and gives the importance of Deeksha and

how to conduct and what is to be done invariably as part of Dina Charya that is

daily activity.

> > > > he gives Updesa by confidentially reciting aamnatra in the ears of the

the person that volunteered and Swamy ji has agreed to administer deeksha to

him.

> > > > From that day on wards what eve rhe does has to be more meaningful and

responsible for his won action.

> > > > After following a specific regime the follower has to recite the Mantra

given by Guru.This may contain beeja akshra.

> > > > Till completion of his course life he has to follow ideals of the

Guru.and is not supposed to involve in extraneous matters.

> > > > The beeja mantra shall have impact progressively and helps the person

that follows the regime.

> > > > In the whole process the devotee of the Swamy ji has more responsibility

and accountability in his actions and words.

> > > > where as some Gurus like Mata Amritanand Mayee also gives mantorddharana

upadesa besides several other swamy ji like from Ahmedabad now under media

glare.These guru Jis with mass appeal hold bahjans ,upadesas but Guru

manthroddharana is made as one to one and slected few ones.

> > > > The faith that is involved in Guru-Mantra upadesa carries significance

for both of them.

> > > > It is advised that as and one he gets time he has to renew his meetings

with Guru Ji and follow his advices.

> > > > This is how Guru Mantra shakti gets fortified for the objectives which a

person has in mind in taking Deeksha and Mantropadesam.

> > > > The rest of the things that come through media and otherwise publicity

is only stuff that adds to gossip and curiosity.

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:23 PM

> > > > > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if

> > > > > deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > > > > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the

> > > > > guru to bring

> > > > > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of

> > > > > gurus who give such

> > > > > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > > > > --

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bians

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > > <

> > > > > dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material

> > > > > from this forum.But it

> > > > > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the

> > > > > mouth of a

> > > > > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For

> > > > > spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > > > > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you

> > > > > should follow the path of

> > > > > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see

> > > > > your Guru who will tell

> > > > > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > > > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by

> > > > > some one/by few so

> > > > > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he

> > > > > changes/they change Beez

> > > > > > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is

> > > > > being charged from

> > > > > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these

> > > > > Beez Mantra

> > > > > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of

> > > > > gathering astrological

> > > > > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they

> > > > > make true/falls

> > > > > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I

> > > > > am not advertising

> > > > > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been

> > > > > cheated by so called

> > > > > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > > > > With good wishes,

> > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > awies2004 <awies2001@

> > > > > <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > > > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's

> > > > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a

> > > > > beej mantra. the

> > > > > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here

> > > > > could help me with a few

> > > > > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata,

> > > > > Saraswati mata and others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Could i also get information as for what it can be

> > > > > used for. like to study

> > > > > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration,

> > > > > to spiritualy grow,

> > > > > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not

> > > > > found any sadhana

> > > > > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you very much for any and all the information

> > > > > you can give.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Awies

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej mantra's and

we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed, The reading

of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for other

religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after that i

see shiva and krishna as my guru.

 

so i will explain from beginning.

 

 

 

ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

 

NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

 

So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull otherwise i

feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea behind this

was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

 

 

Thank you,

 

Awies

[Guest guest]

Dear Awies,Prepare your self firstly  for spiritual master to come in your life

and then the spiritual master will go to you without any fail.This is the

secret behind getting an opportunity to see your spiritual master in real

sense.Go through Autobiography of Yogi,Himalaya Ka Yogi,Yogi Kathmrit etc.

With good wishes,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

awies2004 <awies2001

 

Mon, March 22, 2010 1:06:35 AM

Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

 

 

Dear all,

 

Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej mantra's and

we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed, The reading

of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for other

religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after that i

see shiva and krishna as my guru.

 

so i will explain from beginning.

 

ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

 

NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

 

So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull otherwise i

feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea behind this

was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

 

Thank you,

 

Awies

 

 

Dear

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Dhirendra,

 

I have heared about the book " Autobiography of Yogi " . There has been lots of

good things to hear from readers. I will surely try to get the book. . As for

the others i will search online for details.

 

 

Thank you,

 

Awies

 

 

 

, Dhirendra Nath Misra

<dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

> Dear Awies,Prepare your self firstly  for spiritual master to come in your

life and then the spiritual master will go to you without any fail.This is the

secret behind getting an opportunity to see your spiritual master in real

sense.Go through Autobiography of Yogi,Himalaya Ka Yogi,Yogi Kathmrit etc.

> With good wishes,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> awies2004 <awies2001

>

> Mon, March 22, 2010 1:06:35 AM

> Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

>

>  

> Dear all,

>

> Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej mantra's

and we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed, The

reading of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for

other religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after

that i see shiva and krishna as my guru.

>

> so i will explain from beginning.

>

> ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

>

> NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

>

> So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull otherwise i

feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea behind this

was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Awies

>

>

> Dear

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear member,

 

Work on creating a space within and make it and keep it clean. When it is ready

and clean and calm and without anger and agitation, your teacher will walk right

into you :-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " awies2004 " <awies2001 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej mantra's

and we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed, The

reading of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for

other religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after

that i see shiva and krishna as my guru.

>

> so i will explain from beginning.

>

>

>

> ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

>

> NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

>

> So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull otherwise i

feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea behind this

was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

>

>

> Thank you,

>

> Awies

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Awies,

Sadhana it is the second stage after initiation so as to commencement.Normally

for initiation porcedures have been prescribed to commence through a Guru.Guru

is supposed to convey that the initiation " so made " will be the best and takes

you to the Gamya or destination point progressively.You are vised to make

sadhana.Sadhana refers to practice and bring the " Manasa.vacha and Karmena " in to

an order.

Always however the feasibility for adopting the envisaged approach comes into

rift with realities.

To over come this by keeping faith on Mata and Pita9as they r also eual or more

to Guru)you can always initiate on your own do sadhana.Even sadhan has some

regulations with reference to time and manner.

Incase you are satified and very eager to do sadhan on the basis of your

prepared you can do mantra sadhana.The objective is to sort out internal

conflicts /doubts on such a practice on regular basis.

Shri RRJI opines that certaing issues r not religous dependent.One should take

responsibility on his own and avoid half baked issues/start ups.

Infact in my own case after following swamy Ji's for some time I got iniiated

myself and do my sadhana that gives required encouragement.iam happy with my own

sadhana.I think you can on your belief do sadhana.

 

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

 

--- On Sun, 3/21/10, awies2004 <awies2001 wrote:

 

awies2004 <awies2001

Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

 

Sunday, March 21, 2010, 3:36 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

 

 

Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej mantra's and

we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed, The reading

of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for other

religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after that i

see shiva and krishna as my guru.

 

 

 

so i will explain from beginning.

 

 

 

ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

 

 

 

NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

 

 

 

So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull otherwise i

feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea behind this

was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

 

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

 

Awies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Awies,

 

I had no intensions what so ever to hurt any feelings on this issue. In fact, I

am not at-all competent to comment on this discussion as my knowledge base on

such issues is very limited.All I was searching was some answers to the

astrological connections with Sadhana, initiation and Yogis.

 

I had earlier tried to search such answers but in vain. Perhaps initiation[3rd],

Guru[7th], achievment of Sadhana[11th] also get connected to Kama triangle of

astrology.But then somebody said if it is your desire[kama] then it is not

Sadhana etc etc.

 

So in that connection only I tried to seek some answer from the honarable

members of this forum.

 

I wish you all the best.

 

Inder

 

, " awies2004 " <awies2001 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej mantra's

and we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed, The

reading of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for

other religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after

that i see shiva and krishna as my guru.

>

> so i will explain from beginning.

>

>

>

> ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

>

> NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

>

> So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull otherwise i

feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea behind this

was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

>

>

> Thank you,

>

> Awies

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RR-ji,

 

Unfortunatly I donot keep any soft copy of thosands of charts I was trying to

analyse.It is difficult to search in my old notebooks.

Shankracharya discussion [most of it] was on jyotish_Remedies group site only

and should be available.

 

I would try to be away from such discussions as it may unneccesary others

sentiments.

Inder

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Those like Dalai Lama and Vivekananda (we had some interesting encounters and

threads recently! :-)) are perhaps a bit over our head, Vohra ji, but maybe this

Shankracharya you mentioned, the one with a cloud over his head might be

interesting to members here who for the most part run into normal people and not

Religious, Political or Bollywood celebritities!

>

> Also, if I may suggest, please share the birth data of this person and post a

few astrological comments and observations and then other members will warm up

and share!

>

> It is so NICE to have you back again! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Guru jees,

> >

> > I have been many times thinking about the horoscopes of Yogi,s, real

Mahatama who achieve Salvation or Nirvana but I could never get an accurate

chart.1st, 5th and 9th is spritual triangle, but many times 8th house although

house of suffering is considered to be spritual house. Lord Budhha had great

sufferings all his life, even he died of cholera/food poisoning, so can we say

that 8th house is Nirvana house. 4th, 8th and 12th trangle is Moksha triangle.

Is everybody passing all phases of life or direct fusion[KP linkages] of

spritual trangle with Moksha trangle is Salvation. But beeja Mantra[or so] come

out of mouth to ear so 2nd and 3rd house involved. Eating and sleeping are also

connected with everybody. So called bad planets- rahu,ketu, shani,mangal etc are

also there is each chart[or can we remove these from spritual charts].

> >

> > This issue has always confused me.Reading of Charts of Dalai Lama, and

Yogananad etc did not solve my probem.

> >

> > About 5 years ago in this forum itself we were trying to analyse chart of

Shankracharya who got invoved in some controversy and TamilNadu police captured

him. At that time that chart was looking so ordaniry although had very strong

relgiousity and fame.

> >

> > Please help

> >

> > Inder

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Just to elaborate a bit more, different experiences that I was made privy

to, which to me seem relevant to earlier posting.

> > >

> > > One person had this very strong connection to the scent that arises when

the first rain meets the parched earth after summer! I hope some of you have

smelt that?

> > >

> > > This person moved to a land thousands of miles away and was embraced by

some familiars but so many NEW things and choices and so on. After winter passed

and so did several months, one day when the ground -- very different from before

-- was spewing heat, the first rain arrived! It " smelt " the same when the first

rain hit the new earth! He realized that he never left HOME!

> > >

> > > I will stop there, though there were shared a few other memories too but I

do not wish to bore or distract you wonderful people.

> > >

> > > The best and most effective remedy to begin to address, thwart and reverse

KARMA is MEMORY! Dreams and Reflections additionally, help too! ;-)

> > >

> > > What one FORGETS is so easy to IGNORE! AND that then becomes the MONKey

that lands on our back, sometimes during this lifetime but certainly during the

NEXT or one in future!

> > >

> > > I think that is how the expression came to be passed down: " The monkey on

our back! "

> > >

> > > So is it mercury, astrologically-speaking that defines karma? Or is it

moon the icon of memory and chanchaltaa -- kind of like a monkey oh so playful!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Beautiful sharing, Dada!

> > > >

> > > > And similar stories and experiences have been reported by others from

all times, cultures, religions and other nuances of Human Experience!

> > > >

> > > > And that is where, in my puny experience, the seeds of reality exist!

> > > >

> > > > Unique and exclusive are the other names of COMMON! Like multiple I.D.s

on Internet ;-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > The question of responsibility for once growth and development by the

" Guru " how relevant and appropriate?

> > > > > I was present with Shri Shri Sankaracharya of kamkotipeetham in Delhi

and was giving advice to ministers including Smt Susshma Swaraj,the then Cabinet

minister and several prominent people.

> > > > > After Swamy Ji's darshan,people were given deeksha for thos who are

interested to follow the advice of Shri Shankaracharya Ji.

> > > > > here Guru is Swamy ji himself and gives the importance of Deeksha and

how to conduct and what is to be done invariably as part of Dina Charya that is

daily activity.

> > > > > he gives Updesa by confidentially reciting aamnatra in the ears of the

the person that volunteered and Swamy ji has agreed to administer deeksha to

him.

> > > > > From that day on wards what eve rhe does has to be more meaningful and

responsible for his won action.

> > > > > After following a specific regime the follower has to recite the

Mantra given by Guru.This may contain beeja akshra.

> > > > > Till completion of his course life he has to follow ideals of the

Guru.and is not supposed to involve in extraneous matters.

> > > > > The beeja mantra shall have impact progressively and helps the person

that follows the regime.

> > > > > In the whole process the devotee of the Swamy ji has more

responsibility and accountability in his actions and words.

> > > > > where as some Gurus like Mata Amritanand Mayee also gives

mantorddharana upadesa besides several other swamy ji like from Ahmedabad now

under media glare.These guru Jis with mass appeal hold bahjans ,upadesas but

Guru manthroddharana is made as one to one and slected few ones.

> > > > > The faith that is involved in Guru-Mantra upadesa carries significance

for both of them.

> > > > > It is advised that as and one he gets time he has to renew his

meetings with Guru Ji and follow his advices.

> > > > > This is how Guru Mantra shakti gets fortified for the objectives which

a person has in mind in taking Deeksha and Mantropadesam.

> > > > > The rest of the things that come through media and otherwise publicity

is only stuff that adds to gossip and curiosity.

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 3/20/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> > > > > > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:23 PM

> > > > > > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if

> > > > > > deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > > > > > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the

> > > > > > guru to bring

> > > > > > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of

> > > > > > gurus who give such

> > > > > > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bians

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > > > <

> > > > > > dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material

> > > > > > from this forum.But it

> > > > > > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the

> > > > > > mouth of a

> > > > > > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For

> > > > > > spiritual upliftment and to get a

> > > > > > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you

> > > > > > should follow the path of

> > > > > > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see

> > > > > > your Guru who will tell

> > > > > > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > > > > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by

> > > > > > some one/by few so

> > > > > > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he

> > > > > > changes/they change Beez

> > > > > > > Mantra per month  and again fee Rs.3100.00 is

> > > > > > being charged from

> > > > > > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these

> > > > > > Beez Mantra

> > > > > > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of

> > > > > > gathering astrological

> > > > > > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they

> > > > > > make true/falls

> > > > > > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I

> > > > > > am not advertising

> > > > > > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been

> > > > > > cheated by so called

> > > > > > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > > > > > With good wishes,

> > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > awies2004 <awies2001@

> > > > > > <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > > > > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a

> > > > > > beej mantra. the

> > > > > > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here

> > > > > > could help me with a few

> > > > > > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata,

> > > > > > Saraswati mata and others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Could i also get information as for what it can be

> > > > > > used for. like to study

> > > > > > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration,

> > > > > > to spiritualy grow,

> > > > > > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not

> > > > > > found any sadhana

> > > > > > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you very much for any and all the information

> > > > > > you can give.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Awies

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Awies,

It is not necessary that Guru should be a person , An idea, ideology, craze

(junoon), purpose, etc can be a Guru (GUIDE).

--

Regards

Kulbir Bians

 

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:24 AM, awies2004 <awies2001 wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Kulbirji & Dhirendra,

>

> As i heave read in books of L.R. Chawdhri when one has no Guru or

> possibilty to find one he should always recite the Guru mantra Gurur bhramna

> Gurur Vishn .... and accept Shiv as his guru. if i aint mistaking. i will

> search for that part once more and if incorrect i will correct it with a new

> msg.

> As for those guru who do hundreds of mike's its there responsibilty.

>

> For as far as its for me i am not ready for a guru. For he who is suppose

> to be my Guru has not come onto my pad. When he does i will find out. Till

> then i accept the fact that my guru's are my Parents grand parents and

> ofcourse Shiva and Krishna. For all i know till now i have learned

> directly or indirectly from them and thx to them.

>

> Anyway not to get off topic.

>

> I have also read that when a simple sadhana is done without a guru it might

> take longer but does not mean its not good or wont happen. when it comes to

> bigger sadhana's like Kali sadhana or Baglamukhi Sadhana then the guidence

> of a Competent person (Guru) is needed.

>

> If any of you know any simple sadhana's for beej mantra Shreem or other

> please be kind enough to tell me with explanation

>

> Thank you.

>

> Regards,

>

> Awies

>

>

> <%40>,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji,It makes no difference whether Gurus give such Deeksha on

> mike to hundreds of people together in camp or they blow Shankh in the ear

> of a particular aspirant.Because it is firstly called Mantra Deeksha- means

> brain washing.Next comes PRAN Deeksha,Agini Deeksha and so on.At this level

> there should not be any cheating on the part of so called Gurus.But I feel

> that such cheaters can not harm,if aspirants are really in the search of

> knowledge.How ever let the Gurus run their fancy shops.

> > With regards,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

>

> > <%40>

> > Sat, March 20, 2010 9:53:37 PM

> > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> >

> > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give

> such

> > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > --

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bians

> >

> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

> > dhirendranathmisra wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But

> it

> > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to

> get a

> > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the

> path of

> > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will

> tell

> > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few

> so

> > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change

> Beez

> > > Mantra per month and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering

> astrological

> > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not

> advertising

> > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so

> called

> > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > With good wishes,

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > awies2004 <awies2001 <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

>

> > > To:

<%40><Jyotish_Rem\

edies%

> 40>

> > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a

> few

> > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and

> others.

> > >

> > > Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to

> study

> > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy

> grow,

> > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > >

> > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any

> sadhana

> > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Awies

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes but then one cannot blame these for their misery! That is the down-side for

human beings, hence a human guru is preferable :-(

 

But great advice!

 

Best Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Awies,

> It is not necessary that Guru should be a person , An idea, ideology, craze

> (junoon), purpose, etc can be a Guru (GUIDE).

> --

> Regards

> Kulbir Bians

>

> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:24 AM, awies2004 <awies2001 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Kulbirji & Dhirendra,

> >

> > As i heave read in books of L.R. Chawdhri when one has no Guru or

> > possibilty to find one he should always recite the Guru mantra Gurur bhramna

> > Gurur Vishn .... and accept Shiv as his guru. if i aint mistaking. i will

> > search for that part once more and if incorrect i will correct it with a new

> > msg.

> > As for those guru who do hundreds of mike's its there responsibilty.

> >

> > For as far as its for me i am not ready for a guru. For he who is suppose

> > to be my Guru has not come onto my pad. When he does i will find out. Till

> > then i accept the fact that my guru's are my Parents grand parents and

> > ofcourse Shiva and Krishna. For all i know till now i have learned

> > directly or indirectly from them and thx to them.

> >

> > Anyway not to get off topic.

> >

> > I have also read that when a simple sadhana is done without a guru it might

> > take longer but does not mean its not good or wont happen. when it comes to

> > bigger sadhana's like Kali sadhana or Baglamukhi Sadhana then the guidence

> > of a Competent person (Guru) is needed.

> >

> > If any of you know any simple sadhana's for beej mantra Shreem or other

> > please be kind enough to tell me with explanation

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Awies

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbirji,It makes no difference whether Gurus give such Deeksha on

> > mike to hundreds of people together in camp or they blow Shankh in the ear

> > of a particular aspirant.Because it is firstly called Mantra Deeksha- means

> > brain washing.Next comes PRAN Deeksha,Agini Deeksha and so on.At this level

> > there should not be any cheating on the part of so called Gurus.But I feel

> > that such cheaters can not harm,if aspirants are really in the search of

> > knowledge.How ever let the Gurus run their fancy shops.

> > > With regards,

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@>

> >

> > > <%40>

> > > Sat, March 20, 2010 9:53:37 PM

> > > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > >

> > > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

> > > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> > > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give

> > such

> > > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

> > > --

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bians

> > >

> > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

> > > dhirendranathmisra@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But

> > it

> > > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

> > > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to

> > get a

> > > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the

> > path of

> > > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will

> > tell

> > > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

> > > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few

> > so

> > > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change

> > Beez

> > > > Mantra per month and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

> > > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

> > > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering

> > astrological

> > > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

> > > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not

> > advertising

> > > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so

> > called

> > > > Gurujis and tell their story.

> > > > With good wishes,

> > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > awies2004 <awies2001@ <awies2001%40hotmail.com>>

> >

> > > > To:

<%40><Jyotish_Rem\

edies%

> > 40>

> > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

> > > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

> > > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a

> > few

> > > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and

> > others.

> > > >

> > > > Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to

> > study

> > > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy

> > grow,

> > > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any

> > sadhana

> > > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Awies

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

can you kindly answer me or any one in the forum  ?

  My  very question is that who is your GURU at all?

 and why do you  send  all your personal  chattings to all ? and what are 

your  credentials at all? !  this is asked  within 10 seconds of your mail 

.. and is there any thing related to you to this ver yforum  for BLOCKING ?

MAILINGS at all

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 23/3/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

 

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

 

Tuesday, 23 March, 2010, 4:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes but then one cannot blame these for their misery! That is the

down-side for human beings, hence a human guru is preferable :-(

 

 

 

But great advice!

 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Awies,

 

> It is not necessary that Guru should be a person , An idea, ideology, craze

 

> (junoon), purpose, etc can be a Guru (GUIDE).

 

> --

 

> Regards

 

> Kulbir Bians

 

>

 

> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:24 AM, awies2004 <awies2001@. ..> wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear Kulbirji & Dhirendra,

 

> >

 

> > As i heave read in books of L.R. Chawdhri when one has no Guru or

 

> > possibilty to find one he should always recite the Guru mantra Gurur bhramna

 

> > Gurur Vishn .... and accept Shiv as his guru. if i aint mistaking. i will

 

> > search for that part once more and if incorrect i will correct it with a new

 

> > msg.

 

> > As for those guru who do hundreds of mike's its there responsibilty.

 

> >

 

> > For as far as its for me i am not ready for a guru. For he who is suppose

 

> > to be my Guru has not come onto my pad. When he does i will find out. Till

 

> > then i accept the fact that my guru's are my Parents grand parents and

 

> > ofcourse Shiva and Krishna. For all i know till now i have learned

 

> > directly or indirectly from them and thx to them.

 

> >

 

> > Anyway not to get off topic.

 

> >

 

> > I have also read that when a simple sadhana is done without a guru it might

 

> > take longer but does not mean its not good or wont happen. when it comes to

 

> > bigger sadhana's like Kali sadhana or Baglamukhi Sadhana then the guidence

 

> > of a Competent person (Guru) is needed.

 

> >

 

> > If any of you know any simple sadhana's for beej mantra Shreem or other

 

> > please be kind enough to tell me with explanation

 

> >

 

> > Thank you.

 

> >

 

> > Regards,

 

> >

 

> > Awies

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > <% 40.

com>,

 

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Kulbirji,It makes no difference whether Gurus give such Deeksha on

 

> > mike to hundreds of people together in camp or they blow Shankh in the ear

 

> > of a particular aspirant.Because it is firstly called Mantra Deeksha- means

 

> > brain washing.Next comes PRAN Deeksha,Agini Deeksha and so on.At this level

 

> > there should not be any cheating on the part of so called Gurus.But I feel

 

> > that such cheaters can not harm,if aspirants are really in the search of

 

> > knowledge.How ever let the Gurus run their fancy shops.

 

> > > With regards,

 

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@ >

 

> >

 

> > > <% 40.

com>

 

> > > Sat, March 20, 2010 9:53:37 PM

 

> > > Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Mishra Ji, Texts say that if deeksha of beej mantra is given by a

 

> > > competent guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

 

> > > salvation to the disciple. I wonder what would happen of gurus who give

 

> > such

 

> > > deeksha on mike to hundreds of people together in camps?

 

> > > --

 

> > > Regards

 

> > > Kulbir Bians

 

> > >

 

> > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

 

> > > dhirendranathmisra@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear Awies,You will certainly get required material from this forum.But

 

> > it

 

> > > > would be better to get the required Mantra from the mouth of a

 

> > > > Tapasvee ,dead honest & competent Guru.For spiritual upliftment and to

 

> > get a

 

> > > > Tapsvee ,dead honest & competent Guru firstly you should follow the

 

> > path of

 

> > > > Tapsya wisely and then you may get a chance to see your Guru who will

 

> > tell

 

> > > > you BEEZ Mantra which is required for you.

 

> > > > Now a days Beez Mantra is being sold for Rs.3100.00 by some one/by few

 

> > so

 

> > > > called Gurujis in his / their private meetings,he changes/they change

 

> > Beez

 

> > > > Mantra per month and again fee Rs.3100.00 is being charged from

 

> > > > followers.It is also very strange thing that these Beez Mantra

 

> > > > are being prepared by so called Gurujis.Instead of gathering

 

> > astrological

 

> > > > knowledge,some have become face reader and he/they make true/falls

 

> > > > predictions and charging Rs.2500.00 for one question.I am not

 

> > advertising

 

> > > > for any one.But people come to me after they have been cheated by so

 

> > called

 

> > > > Gurujis and tell their story.

 

> > > > With good wishes,

 

> > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> > > > awies2004 <awies2001@ <awies2001%40hotmai l.com>>

 

> >

 

> > > > <% 40.

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> > 40. com>

 

> > > > Fri, March 19, 2010 5:59:39 AM

 

> > > > Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Dear all,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > a year ago a email was send with an easy sadhana for a beej mantra. the

 

> > > > kleem beej mantra. I was wondering if anyone here could help me with a

 

> > few

 

> > > > easy sadhana's for beej mantra of Laxmi mata, Saraswati mata and

 

> > others.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Could i also get information as for what it can be used for. like to

 

> > study

 

> > > > better, to be healthier, to have better concentration, to spiritualy

 

> > grow,

 

> > > > to have peace within your mind etc etc.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > I do have a lot of them from forums etc but i have not found any

 

> > sadhana

 

> > > > for them. Just the mantra and thats all.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Thank you very much for any and all the information you can give.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Regards,

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Awies

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Inder,

 

It was nothing personal with the reading chart part. I was mostly confused cause

i felt attacked with the post of Rohini. All i did was explain what i read in a

book and how i felt about getting a guru. I also know that people usualy get the

wrong idea when i say something. This usualy happens cause of lack of

communication for wich i also once asked for help. Yet no one offered only

things i got in reply is need of guru.

 

So i do appoligize if it came out wrong. I just got tired of everytime i asked

for help it being ending up in a discussion about something else. So i tought to

take action in order to keep it on track.

 

But it seems pointless.

 

Next time some1 asks me a question i will just tell them to get a Guru for

he/she/it will help him/her in every thing he/she wants to know or do.

 

As for me... sorry i even asked for help on beej mantra's.

I will just buy some books read it and then try it. Will take longer but atleast

i will get the information i need.

 

And when i think its time for me to find a guru i will open my heart to one.

(who knows that might be 2morow itself).

 

I am happy to hear your studying Jyotish . i once started but stopped cause of

learning problems. Any way good luck with your search for an asnwer to your

jyotish and sadhana connection. hope you find it.

 

Regards,

 

Awies

 

 

 

, " inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Awies,

>

> I had no intensions what so ever to hurt any feelings on this issue. In fact,

I am not at-all competent to comment on this discussion as my knowledge base on

such issues is very limited.All I was searching was some answers to the

astrological connections with Sadhana, initiation and Yogis.

>

> I had earlier tried to search such answers but in vain. Perhaps

initiation[3rd], Guru[7th], achievment of Sadhana[11th] also get connected to

Kama triangle of astrology.But then somebody said if it is your desire[kama]

then it is not Sadhana etc etc.

>

> So in that connection only I tried to seek some answer from the honarable

members of this forum.

>

> I wish you all the best.

>

> Inder

>

> , " awies2004 " <awies2001@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej mantra's

and we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed, The

reading of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for

other religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after

that i see shiva and krishna as my guru.

> >

> > so i will explain from beginning.

> >

> >

> >

> > ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

> >

> > NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

> >

> > So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull otherwise

i feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea behind this

was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

> >

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Awies

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear 'Awies',

 

But, I did not feel 'attacked' by your response, though!

 

How much grief we create from other people's words, intended or not, is the most

basic exercise we human beings have power over and the most fundamental exercise

in 'Free-Will' :-)

 

Perception is Reality, as they say...! ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " awies2004 " <awies2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Inder,

>

> It was nothing personal with the reading chart part. I was mostly confused

cause i felt attacked with the post of Rohini. All i did was explain what i read

in a book and how i felt about getting a guru. I also know that people usualy

get the wrong idea when i say something. This usualy happens cause of lack of

communication for wich i also once asked for help. Yet no one offered only

things i got in reply is need of guru.

>

> So i do appoligize if it came out wrong. I just got tired of everytime i asked

for help it being ending up in a discussion about something else. So i tought to

take action in order to keep it on track.

>

> But it seems pointless.

>

> Next time some1 asks me a question i will just tell them to get a Guru for

he/she/it will help him/her in every thing he/she wants to know or do.

>

> As for me... sorry i even asked for help on beej mantra's.

> I will just buy some books read it and then try it. Will take longer but

atleast i will get the information i need.

>

> And when i think its time for me to find a guru i will open my heart to one.

(who knows that might be 2morow itself).

>

> I am happy to hear your studying Jyotish . i once started but stopped cause of

learning problems. Any way good luck with your search for an asnwer to your

jyotish and sadhana connection. hope you find it.

>

> Regards,

>

> Awies

>

>

>

> , " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Awies,

> >

> > I had no intensions what so ever to hurt any feelings on this issue. In

fact, I am not at-all competent to comment on this discussion as my knowledge

base on such issues is very limited.All I was searching was some answers to the

astrological connections with Sadhana, initiation and Yogis.

> >

> > I had earlier tried to search such answers but in vain. Perhaps

initiation[3rd], Guru[7th], achievment of Sadhana[11th] also get connected to

Kama triangle of astrology.But then somebody said if it is your desire[kama]

then it is not Sadhana etc etc.

> >

> > So in that connection only I tried to seek some answer from the honarable

members of this forum.

> >

> > I wish you all the best.

> >

> > Inder

> >

> > , " awies2004 " <awies2001@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Let me get this straight for a second. I ask for a sadhana on beej

mantra's and we all end up on " Monkey on back " , A spiritual person being jailed,

The reading of Charts And my most surprising one Rohini moving upon a attack for

other religions on me cause i said that my first guru are my parents and after

that i see shiva and krishna as my guru.

> > >

> > > so i will explain from beginning.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ALL i asked for is a sadhana i can do thats easy enough to be done on beej

mantra's.

> > >

> > > NO religion. NO storie about Diksha and No Political and or law enforcing

stories. Its a simple question about a sadhana. As i explained i am not going to

take diksha just from any1. there has to be trust from my heart and thats it. If

you feel like you cant help cause your guru told you not to help any1 else then

a guru bhai and or some1 who has not been given diksha thats your point of view.

I Respect it but dont force that upon me. The free will we have been given by

the gods is given for a reason. otherwise we would not have received such a

marvelous gift.

> > >

> > > So if you think you can give me such a sadhana i am very thankfull

otherwise i feel sorry for bothering you about such a subject. Cause the idea

behind this was not to get a debate just some help wich i could use.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Awies

> > >

> >

>