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Dear friends,

 

Jyotish is science or not, this type of anxious feelings,although to a far

lesser extent, are also felt by Homeopaths.But many resolve it by saying that

Homeopathy is 50% Science and 50% Art.[This perhaps make them happy being safely

in two boats].

 

Similia Similibus Curenturn--Let likes be cured by likes -is a solid scienfic

principle alongwith many rules regarding potency, consitutional types etc.Huge

amount of scientific provings of each medicines recorded is a real research work

that has been done or still in progerss.

 

Still the Homeopath has to understand the patient-her/his psycology,philosphy,

traits, charaterstics, anxieties,likings-dislikings,childhood, repressed fears

etc etc, and you require a real 'Artist' to work out the real costitution of the

patient and watch her/his personality how medicine is working/curing.

 

Then 101 poems written by Sylvia Chatroux on each medicine-- " Oh Camphora,

freezing cold ,the utter chill of you,I have seen you throw the cover off, you

feel an icy blue........ "

 

And you know Homeopathy is treated as humbug science and trashed by Scietific

world and Rationals etc.But Homeopaths are not much much worried.

 

I think Astrologers should also grow similar attitude.Why worry to prove your

point to non-believer of astrology-that astrology is a Science. Why anxious

about this.

 

Inder

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear members,

> Probably it is all out of specific manner of comprehension and the way try to

take it up broadly..Science or Art meant  for people,of people and by the

people. to derive some benifit.But then if we just think in a moulded or

systematic manner it ends up with discontentment.If we consider in a broad

manner the scope becomes as it will be enoromous for one to think and work on

various issues.

>

> Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma 

>

> --- On Thu, 3/25/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> I DISAGREE -- Re: NOTE... 9/02

>

> Thursday, March 25, 2010, 5:36 PM

>

 

>

>

>

Chandrashekhar jee,

>

>

>

> It really bothers me that some jyotishis (for many decades) have spend too

much time and breath on trying to justify that Jyotish is a science as if that

is some Badge of Honour that Jyotish must receive before the boy-jyotish turns

into a man-jyotish (rites of passage!) or something like that!

>

>

>

> Fact of the matter is that pure science and even some recent sciences have

only been able to scale and study the physical reality, the world of matter and

particles and some waves. Psychology perhaps has taken a longer leap but as I

see it, it is still in mid-air and has not landed fully! And, many pure

scientists still do not consider it as full science. The part of psychology

(neuropsychology) that is based on organic/chemical objective biological

evidence has probably a bit more credibility in Science circles than the earlier

subjective, analytic psychoanalytic type psychology!

>

>

>

> Astrology is on a different plane altogether and sure it uses techniques, uses

rules and strategies, but so does art! There are rules in art, there are

materials (paints, brushes) needed but those do not turn Art into a Science!

Shastra to me indicates something procedural, something where there is a

protocol and structure but there is a lot of interpretation (involvement of the

human mind, soul, thinking!) involved. Astrology from that perspective is a

shaastra and of course a formidable Shastr(a) too in wrong hands :-)

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

> , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Rohini Ranjan,

>

> >

>

> > In a way I agree with you. Jyotish is a shastra which is based on certain

philosophy and is therefore more than a science. I still do not understand why

shastra is translated as science. We had 36 shastras and 64 kalas and they do

not match what is called science or arts/humanities in the western world. An

example is Natya shastra is not categorized as science by the west.

>

> >

>

> > Chandrashekhar.

>

> > -

>

> > rohinicrystal

>

> >

>

> > Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:32 AM

>

> > I DISAGREE -- Re: NOTE... 9/02

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dada,

>

> >

>

> > Why do you assume as an axiom that Jyotish is a Science! (Your point #2)!

>

> >

>

> > Why this infatuation of Jyotishis (full-timers and part-timers) with this

WOOLMARK of global acceptance -- seemingly! This gold-medal known as Science?

>

> >

>

> > Would the utility of Jyotish have diminished one bit if it were say, an

art? Or craft?? Like Ashtamangalaa for instance?

>

> >

>

> > Why must we try to fit something that COVERS and CONTAINS the entire human

experience as a DESCRIPTOR into the small box known as SCIENCE?

>

> >

>

> > RR_,

>

> >

>

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Shri Kulbir Ji and members,

>

> > > 1.Exam system,cheating by Gurus and students and purchase of degrees

maladies that can not be blunted are actually different issues. That kind of

corruption or cheating(what evr is appropriate) is a different issues which we

should leave to the conscious of those who acquired and their later competencies

and success in life.

>

> > > 2.Jyotish like any other science is also potential subject for people

interested in taking up research.How far it can be viable.Some reputed

universities get funding for research on jyotish.Even services of jyotish have

been used for training potential people for choosing team for in the last

olympics.A very senior person having high reputation in Astrology but belonging

to judicial services has studied skills vis-a-vis their fortune to get medals in

olympics.

>

> > > 3.In the forum some memebers find very drab and frustating to take up

same topics with different names.Instead they feel quizzing becomes more

interesting than day in and day out attend the queries (being made and answered

become stereo types) Even we have seen members at the age of 16 yrs too v have

been getting worried about future and pose questions out of curiosity.

>

> > > Also after 4th dat of the birth people ask whether my son has potential

to become Astrologer etc/.Evidently there is lot of curiosity is seen and

observed in the activities of the forum.

>

> > > A girl in 20s asks what type of husband I will get AND WILL HAVE happy

married life?

>

> > > 4.All these questions might be sound but b4 commencing the life they

want to have the curiosity fulfilled.This is what shri Tanveer ji has been

mentioning about.

>

> > > 5.Research funding is an issue and whther this can be constituted

through the introduction of professional approach by fee and invest more time in

furthering the jyotish studies.

>

> > > 6.I agree with you in the perils of getting degrees by way of mass

copying etc.The remedy for this lies beyond our scope in the forum as what ever

we sum up and conslude here is of no value for the administrators of exam

system.

>

> > > Of course,this has been realised and the root cause of corruption needs

to be tackled by changing various things including present politiacal

vinatage.Iam sure shri Baba Ramdev Ji has expressed openly to reform society and

bring freshness and ideals.

>

> > > 7.In the forum however collective wisdom can contribute to the growth

and development of jyotish and come out with models that can answer successfully

possibilities of good monsoon or otherwise and find people to take leadership

and identify etc would serve as a better cause than to get involved in routine

and curious queries.

>

> > > 8.we have learned members but getting bogged down with routine issues

instead they might look for space to promote and unravel jyotish research

>

> > > Vattem Krishnan

>

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

>

> > > (For all counseling services)

>

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

>

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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Dear Rohini Ranjan,

 

I agree that Jyotish is a powerful shastra that sometimes goes to wrong hands.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

-

rohinicrystal

Friday, March 26, 2010 3:06 AM

I DISAGREE -- Re: NOTE... 9/02

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar jee,

 

It really bothers me that some jyotishis (for many decades) have spend too

much time and breath on trying to justify that Jyotish is a science as if that

is some Badge of Honour that Jyotish must receive before the boy-jyotish turns

into a man-jyotish (rites of passage!) or something like that!

 

Fact of the matter is that pure science and even some recent sciences have

only been able to scale and study the physical reality, the world of matter and

particles and some waves. Psychology perhaps has taken a longer leap but as I

see it, it is still in mid-air and has not landed fully! And, many pure

scientists still do not consider it as full science. The part of psychology

(neuropsychology) that is based on organic/chemical objective biological

evidence has probably a bit more credibility in Science circles than the earlier

subjective, analytic psychoanalytic type psychology!

 

Astrology is on a different plane altogether and sure it uses techniques, uses

rules and strategies, but so does art! There are rules in art, there are

materials (paints, brushes) needed but those do not turn Art into a Science!

Shastra to me indicates something procedural, something where there is a

protocol and structure but there is a lot of interpretation (involvement of the

human mind, soul, thinking!) involved. Astrology from that perspective is a

shaastra and of course a formidable Shastr(a) too in wrong hands :-)

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ranjan,

>

> In a way I agree with you. Jyotish is a shastra which is based on certain

philosophy and is therefore more than a science. I still do not understand why

shastra is translated as science. We had 36 shastras and 64 kalas and they do

not match what is called science or arts/humanities in the western world. An

example is Natya shastra is not categorized as science by the west.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> rohinicrystal

>

> Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:32 AM

> I DISAGREE -- Re: NOTE... 9/02

>

>

>

> Dada,

>

> Why do you assume as an axiom that Jyotish is a Science! (Your point #2)!

>

> Why this infatuation of Jyotishis (full-timers and part-timers) with this

WOOLMARK of global acceptance -- seemingly! This gold-medal known as Science?

>

> Would the utility of Jyotish have diminished one bit if it were say, an art?

Or craft?? Like Ashtamangalaa for instance?

>

> Why must we try to fit something that COVERS and CONTAINS the entire human

experience as a DESCRIPTOR into the small box known as SCIENCE?

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Kulbir Ji and members,

> > 1.Exam system,cheating by Gurus and students and purchase of degrees

maladies that can not be blunted are actually different issues. That kind of

corruption or cheating(what evr is appropriate) is a different issues which we

should leave to the conscious of those who acquired and their later competencies

and success in life.

> > 2.Jyotish like any other science is also potential subject for people

interested in taking up research.How far it can be viable.Some reputed

universities get funding for research on jyotish.Even services of jyotish have

been used for training potential people for choosing team for in the last

olympics.A very senior person having high reputation in Astrology but belonging

to judicial services has studied skills vis-a-vis their fortune to get medals in

olympics.

> > 3.In the forum some memebers find very drab and frustating to take up same

topics with different names.Instead they feel quizzing becomes more interesting

than day in and day out attend the queries (being made and answered become

stereo types) Even we have seen members at the age of 16 yrs too v have been

getting worried about future and pose questions out of curiosity.

> > Also after 4th dat of the birth people ask whether my son has potential to

become Astrologer etc/.Evidently there is lot of curiosity is seen and observed

in the activities of the forum.

> > A girl in 20s asks what type of husband I will get AND WILL HAVE happy

married life?

> > 4.All these questions might be sound but b4 commencing the life they want

to have the curiosity fulfilled.This is what shri Tanveer ji has been mentioning

about.

> > 5.Research funding is an issue and whther this can be constituted through

the introduction of professional approach by fee and invest more time in

furthering the jyotish studies.

> > 6.I agree with you in the perils of getting degrees by way of mass copying

etc.The remedy for this lies beyond our scope in the forum as what ever we sum

up and conslude here is of no value for the administrators of exam system.

> > Of course,this has been realised and the root cause of corruption needs to

be tackled by changing various things including present politiacal vinatage.Iam

sure shri Baba Ramdev Ji has expressed openly to reform society and bring

freshness and ideals.

> > 7.In the forum however collective wisdom can contribute to the growth and

development of jyotish and come out with models that can answer successfully

possibilities of good monsoon or otherwise and find people to take leadership

and identify etc would serve as a better cause than to get involved in routine

and curious queries.

> > 8.we have learned members but getting bogged down with routine issues

instead they might look for space to promote and unravel jyotish research

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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