Guru Chaandal Yoga

March 26, 2010

Yes Rohini and Kulbeer Bhai, I tend to agree with your anecdote "

Shape Shifter " ! Here I would just try to also cover the first line of

Kulbeer on the subject – Gurus plays a social role so do the

prostitutes.

Just 4 days ago , Kanu Sanyal, the man who started a peasants movement

in a very small village named " Naxalbari " , which ultimately

became to be known the Naxals or Naxalites ; and it's further

carnation , the present day's PWG(People's War Group), committed

suicide,found hanging in his one room hutment in his native village,

frustrated with the changes in the ideology of the present CPI(M) in the

garb of PWG. He was the GURU of Naxalite movement,which began against

the Zamindars in the end of year 1966 or begening of 1967, and slowly

and steadily spearead in the most states of India.

I had finished my 1 year training in the Air Force and my first posting

was in a place called Bengdubi, about 30 Kms from Naxalbari village ,

near Baghdogra, in Siliguri,Distt Darjeeling in October,1968. Movements

of defence personnel in this region were well guarded.

On a holiday, I was doing the duty as deputy of the `Orderly

Officer'(who looks after each happenings within the Unit). In the

evening, he just called his driver to take out the Nissan Jonga. He also

called me out and asked me to sit in the back side of vehicle,with my

Sten Gun. The vehicle moved out of the Unit, and he looked back from

the rear window and asked me Lal-Batti dekhi hai kabhi ? I nodded in

negative. After about 20 minutes drive, we entered the Siliguri, and

headed towards a small colony of huts and mud houses. The vehicle

stopped. He got down and told me just see around, I shall be back

quickly. I was looking out and also had to stretch my head out a number

of times , to fathom out that this place was indeed a Red Light area.

Such areas are strictly `Out of Bounds' for the defence

personnel ,which was taught in our training manuals. And Lo, there was

suddenly a big commotion in the area and I saw a number of civil police

personnel forcing out the women from their living places ; and throwing

them in the police lorry. Then I looked at my Orderly Officer running

running towards our vehicle, trying to hold his pants tightly. A fat

man,must be about 55 years, on the verge of retirement, looking very

funny to me. Then in a flash I noticed a young girl dashing towards back

of our vehicle, trying to catch it and enter. At the same moment, our

vehicle started. I just extended my arm out , the girl found it to be

helping hand, I pulled her inside and she sat on the floor of the

vehicle. Few policemen did try to run after her, but they had stopped,

having seen that ours was a defence vehicle.

She was trying to get her breathing normal and I was looking at her

nonchalantly. After few minutes the O.O peeped back from the small rear

window' and shouted " Who the bitch is this?. I did not reply.

But I think that the driver must have also noticed everything , like me

in the tript to Lal Batti. After about 5 minutes the O.O. again peeped

back and said ` Hey boy I will take this girl to my Barrack. I kept

mum. My mind was blank. No thought was crossing my mind, as far as I

still remember. In the meantime I asked the girl about herself. She told

that she is from Rajasthan and one of her uncles had brought her to

this place 6 months back and she will be grateful if I can help her to

go to Rajasthan. I knew that the Railway Station was just on the way. As

we reached near the main gate, I called out the driver and commanded him

to stop the vehicle. I had just about 3 Rupees with me and gave it to

the girl and apologized that I cannot help her further, she should just

catch any available train and try to take help from any one and not to

worry, YOU will reach your Home. As the vehicle was slowing down, the

O.O. shouted at me and ordered me that the girl with go with us. I

simply pointed my Sten Gun in his direction and slowly brought it near

his nose where he could feel the heat ….and he closed the rear

window. The vehicle stopped and I helped the girl out of the vehicle. I

still carry the memory of her tearful eyes with full of karuna and

thanks giving , till the vehicle moved out of her sight. I felt so

tired and exhausted , I simply slumped on my seat.

On the way back thoughts started crossing my mind that a senior is

always a senior in the armed forces, if the O.O. wants he can place me

under arrest after reaching the unit and frame any flimsy charge sheet

against me and I could even face a court martial. My soul told me no

fears so be it. Then I took a resolve that if it so happens, I will kill

this son of a Gun senior- the Teacher-the Mentor-The supposed guide to

me, by virtue of his being senior to me in rank in age. But nothing ever

happened further on this count. For years on, I went on feeling sorry

that I could not help her any further and would always wonder whether

she ever reached her home !

Now after such a long gap the discussion on Gurus, Deeksha, Beej Mantra,

Guru Chaandal Yoga, Kanu Sanyal, Naxalbari has brought these memories

back to me as fresh as ever before.

As far me I feel that I have also fully understood that the description

of this yoga in Shastras was indirect and not so direct but it's direct

and literal meaning or name is CHAANDAL GURU-YOGA, If I may rename it

in direct form. The O.O. must have called me by thousand names like

CHAANDAL or manay more direct expletives , because he was in dire needs

of the wants of his body and mind....and after the police raid, I

deprived him of this real good oprtunity. But then, I do not find any

such yoga which can directly label me as CHAANDAL SHISHYA. And lastly,

that time I was running the mahadasha of Rahu-Rahu from 19-09-1966 to

01-01-1969.

Raj Bhardwaj

, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Just an anecdotal suggestion, Raj_dada, if I may for you to examine in

your collection of charts or test bench.

>

> I have always considered the lunar node as 'wild-cards' (The joker in

a game of cards! A chalnaa, a mimic, a 'Shape-shifter' etc). This is why

perhaps it is considered as a 'surrogate' that assumes the persona and

role of the planet it is associated with or failing that in whose sign

and nakshatra it is placed in). Particularly when a node is moving

towards the planet it is co-occuping a varga, it imbibes the qualities

and abilities of the planet concerned (I call it suction-yoga or

Hoover-Yoga -- after the vacuum cleaner!). The planet so affected loses

some or all of its propensity and natural qualities for good or bad! So

a jupiter could lose its 'Teacher/priest-like nature', moon could lose

its sensitive, emotional side or memory, mars could lose its

aggression... etc!). It may not be a complete loss but a reduction in

the qualities.

>

> Such influence is not necessarily good or bad for the individual

depending on the personal nature of the node in the specific chart!

>

> Please remember that it is anecdotal! Try it at your own risk! In fact

for other novice readers, I would venture to add: PLEASE DON'T TRY THIS

AT HOME WITHOUT YOUR TEACHER OR PARENT BEING PRESENT CLOSE BY! :-)

>

> So nice to hear that cheerfulness is back in your heart. My prayers

and best wishes that Ma always shower Her blessings on ALL my Dadas!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " rajbhardwaj1949 "

rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhai Rohini, Kulbir and Krishnan and all Jyotishis,

> >

> > The thread on " Beej Mantra " and " I disagree " have been really very

> > interesting for me. After a long time I was enjoying and smiling

while

> > reading the exchange, and at times I was humming. Completely

relaxed. My

> > wife had observed me at a few occasions and called my younger

daughter

> > to observe me silently and also enjoyed finding me relaxed with

smile on

> > my face. Somehow the subject in both the threads got intermangled

very

> > beautifully. Guru,Shishya,Deekshya,traditions; cunturies old and the

> > current traits.

> >

> > I have firm belief that almost all of us(other jyotishis also

included),

> > who try to give answers to the queries to best of their knowledge;

and

> > most of the times face brickbats and get No thanks, still go on

> > participating in their respective groups ,like addicts, not

withstanding

> > the skirmishes here and there.

> >

> > This further strengthens my belief, that all such jyotishis have

learned

> > jyotish with their own efforts, with no Guru or Gurukul. If this is

not

> > Junoon, then what else. The will to learn and the will to do bit of

> > experiment too in the process.How much time it takes to read, how

quick

> > reactions or delayed reactions take seeds in our minds, how we

prepare

> > ourselves to gather the thoughts and type these to give them a shape

and

> > not expecting anything in return. Just the pure joy and

satisfaction.

> > This is a continuous process of learning for us and I also have no

doubt

> > that the young learner also must be picking a lots from what appears

in

> > the group.

> >

> > I will be hanged and stoned by the so called purists, if I were to

say

> > that there is no need to have Guru, in the times we are living. In

other

> > words every learner of Jyotish has his own free Will , if it is

> > Operational , to learn the Jyotish without being bound by any

> > Rules,Paramparas etc. This is so because the material and

opportunity

> > for picking up Jyotish is now really very easily available and every

> > learner has good faculties in the field of education and languages.

One

> > just needs to have a keen eye and belief in himself. How they will

use

> > their knowledge will depend solely on themselves.

> >

> > While on the subject of , I (like many other Jyotishis) was also

witness

> > to few other happenings involving a Guru and Shishya. I have been

> > thinking for quite some time about the " Guru-Chaandal Yoga " . Why

such

> > yoga was mentioned in BPHS. Guru was specifically Jupiter, but Rahu

was

> > not specifically Chandaal. I am not sure if Rahu has been given the

name

> > of Chaandal in it's various descriptions. Now how this Yoga is

feared by

> > all like Rahu dasha,Shani dasha, Shani Sade Sati etc. When a learner

> > like me perhaps does not get any reason to show the cause of

problems in

> > facing the jataka , we the lesser known jyotishis just take names of

> > such yogas or positions of Shani as the root cause of all the

problems.

> > Very easy way out indeed.

> >

> > I have been thinking a lot about The Guru-Chaandal Yoga and somehow

tend

> > to believe, that Guru can become like a Chaandal in the real sense.

His

> > all faculties are shut and whatever he does and utters is very very

> > surprising, it hits everything and everybody very hard. The image of

> > Guru becomes that of a Satan,as he breathes fire and breakes all the

so

> > called maryada of a Guru, if there is anything called maryada. When

our

> > Rishis mentioned this Guru -Chaandal Yoga, they really must have all

the

> > rishis,munis,gurus who had dual personalities. There is no need to

> > elaborate this. The real meaning of Guru Chaandal Yoga seems to have

> > sink in now. It simply sinks the esteerm of a Guru, where a Shishya

is

> > forced to challenge his Guru, and more the Guru accuses the Shishya,

> > more he exposes himself, and forces the Shishya to break his silence

and

> > he starts hesitatingly initially but goes full blast exposing the

Guru.

> >

> > But, then the Shishya also has to be a real learner, who perhaps

never

> > depends solely and blindly on one Guru. Now a big question which is

> > staring me and I have been wondering why the fathers of Jyotish did

not

> > mention about any yoga specifically , which could be termed or

called as

> > " SHISHYA CHAANDAL " Yoga in the Jyotish !

> >

> > Raj Bhardwaj

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > But Praajee...!

> > >

> > > IK HORE thaa jo Dasyaa gadheriyaan de-vichh, unna kol...!

> > >

> > > Varah (12) thay unna-di banday! Jotish main jaisay!! Ek do ghabraa

> > gayey shaayad, aisaa sanu sunaa noo! Pher laut aayey US dey Kaul

usday

> > 'marnay' day baad!

> > >

> > > Kis-day kaul woh sab logaan lautay, mainu nai pataa!

> > >

> > > Asi to sirf dekhnaay may zindagi gawaan dittay! Kinni - Azib hai

yeh

> > kahaniyan bachchon di! Raab/Khudaa/Parmeshwar/God day bachchoon-di!

> > >

> > > Maaf karnaa praa -- punjabi bhot pyaari lagdii si magar ik saal to

> > nahin naa kafi! Shaayad aglay janam main kuch hor seekh-layngay, jo

raha

> > giya si is janam-vich baki!

> > >

> > > Aankhaan khulie rakhiyo! Aandar_waali!! ;-)

> > >

> > > Happy Easter!!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > SiRR ji,

> > > > HUSH is the word;

> > > > Bolan naalon chup changeri, chup de naalon parda; je MANSOOR na

> > bolda taan

> > > > sooli kahnu Chadhda.

> > > > Silence is golden; veil of secrecy even better, Mansoor wouldn't

> > have been

> > > > hanged on gallows ;had he preferred silence.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------

> > > > ** rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> > > > *To:*

> > > > *Sent:* Sun, 21 March, 2010 6:15:54 AM

> > > > *Subject:* Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir_praaji,

> > > >

> > > > This 'regulation' , " ...if deeksha of beej mantra is given by

> > competent

> > > > guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> > salvation to

> > > > the disciple. " -- has an interesting wrinkle!

> > > >

> > > > It implies that the Guru himself/herself has already attained

> > salvation!

> > > >

> > > > I think it is safe to assume that such deekshas are being given

in

> > the

> > > > hundreds of thousands, if not millions, world-wide ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Now Chelaa poochtaa hai, " If there are so many millions of Gurus

who

> > have

> > > > attained salvation already... Why is the earth and humanity

> > suffering so

> > > > much? " :-B

> > > >

> > > > ~Sab kuch seekha humnay, naa seekhie hoshiyari, Sach hai duniya

> > walon kay

> > > > hum SUB hain anadi/anari! ~

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

March 27, 2010

Thanks for sharing, Bade_bhai. You are very brave, indeed! Even though there

must be many like that O.O. in ANY Army, the exemplery BRAVERY and DEDICATION of

Indian Soldiers known all over the world and in ALL times is illustrated by your

experience!

The foundation in any army is formed by individual Sainiks even though those

SOLID BRICKS may be united by sometimes weak mortar joints which the officers

and other factors represent.

When we were younger and participated in NCC, I was in the 'armoured'unit (I

always wanted to be in the Air wing but it was off-limit because I wore glasses

:-(.

Regardless of the unit, the training was basically the same. We were 15 or 16

and handling and even carrying heavy rifles (.303) and getting to see, and enter

armoured vehicles and tanks was a thrill that still touches me deep somewhere. I

still recall though the 'sharings' of the retired ustaadji (we called our

soldier-teacher by that name as was the convention back in the 60's). Ustad jee

had been in a couple of 'actions' and while generally rather terse and

uncommunicative, he used to 'open-up' from time to time and shared his

experiences during battles. He spared no details and we all over-enthusiastic

teenagers realized how ghastly and INHUMAN wars really are and what ghastly

circumstances soldiers and officers live and sadly die under! We learned what

the soldiers face when stuck in a trench for days at end! No food, no sleep and

no BATHROOMS!

Reality can be so eye-opening! Wars lost all their charm and adrenaline and

romance that novels, poetry and movies and songs of bravery inculcate in many

who just dream of bravery but will never see " ACTION " !

Ustadjee had one leg. Looking back, he really carried himself very proudly and

strongly on one leg given by God and the other with THANKS by Army!

Rohiniranjan

, " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote:

>

> Yes Rohini and Kulbeer Bhai, I tend to agree with your anecdote "

> Shape Shifter " ! Here I would just try to also cover the first line of

> Kulbeer on the subject – Gurus plays a social role so do the

> prostitutes.

>

> Just 4 days ago , Kanu Sanyal, the man who started a peasants movement

> in a very small village named " Naxalbari " , which ultimately

> became to be known the Naxals or Naxalites ; and it's further

> carnation , the present day's PWG(People's War Group), committed

> suicide,found hanging in his one room hutment in his native village,

> frustrated with the changes in the ideology of the present CPI(M) in the

> garb of PWG. He was the GURU of Naxalite movement,which began against

> the Zamindars in the end of year 1966 or begening of 1967, and slowly

> and steadily spearead in the most states of India.

>

> I had finished my 1 year training in the Air Force and my first posting

> was in a place called Bengdubi, about 30 Kms from Naxalbari village ,

> near Baghdogra, in Siliguri,Distt Darjeeling in October,1968. Movements

> of defence personnel in this region were well guarded.

>

> On a holiday, I was doing the duty as deputy of the `Orderly

> Officer'(who looks after each happenings within the Unit). In the

> evening, he just called his driver to take out the Nissan Jonga. He also

> called me out and asked me to sit in the back side of vehicle,with my

> Sten Gun. The vehicle moved out of the Unit, and he looked back from

> the rear window and asked me Lal-Batti dekhi hai kabhi ? I nodded in

> negative. After about 20 minutes drive, we entered the Siliguri, and

> headed towards a small colony of huts and mud houses. The vehicle

> stopped. He got down and told me just see around, I shall be back

> quickly. I was looking out and also had to stretch my head out a number

> of times , to fathom out that this place was indeed a Red Light area.

> Such areas are strictly `Out of Bounds' for the defence

> personnel ,which was taught in our training manuals. And Lo, there was

> suddenly a big commotion in the area and I saw a number of civil police

> personnel forcing out the women from their living places ; and throwing

> them in the police lorry. Then I looked at my Orderly Officer running

> running towards our vehicle, trying to hold his pants tightly. A fat

> man,must be about 55 years, on the verge of retirement, looking very

> funny to me. Then in a flash I noticed a young girl dashing towards back

> of our vehicle, trying to catch it and enter. At the same moment, our

> vehicle started. I just extended my arm out , the girl found it to be

> helping hand, I pulled her inside and she sat on the floor of the

> vehicle. Few policemen did try to run after her, but they had stopped,

> having seen that ours was a defence vehicle.

>

> She was trying to get her breathing normal and I was looking at her

> nonchalantly. After few minutes the O.O peeped back from the small rear

> window' and shouted " Who the bitch is this?. I did not reply.

> But I think that the driver must have also noticed everything , like me

> in the tript to Lal Batti. After about 5 minutes the O.O. again peeped

> back and said ` Hey boy I will take this girl to my Barrack. I kept

> mum. My mind was blank. No thought was crossing my mind, as far as I

> still remember. In the meantime I asked the girl about herself. She told

> that she is from Rajasthan and one of her uncles had brought her to

> this place 6 months back and she will be grateful if I can help her to

> go to Rajasthan. I knew that the Railway Station was just on the way. As

> we reached near the main gate, I called out the driver and commanded him

> to stop the vehicle. I had just about 3 Rupees with me and gave it to

> the girl and apologized that I cannot help her further, she should just

> catch any available train and try to take help from any one and not to

> worry, YOU will reach your Home. As the vehicle was slowing down, the

> O.O. shouted at me and ordered me that the girl with go with us. I

> simply pointed my Sten Gun in his direction and slowly brought it near

> his nose where he could feel the heat ….and he closed the rear

> window. The vehicle stopped and I helped the girl out of the vehicle. I

> still carry the memory of her tearful eyes with full of karuna and

> thanks giving , till the vehicle moved out of her sight. I felt so

> tired and exhausted , I simply slumped on my seat.

>

> On the way back thoughts started crossing my mind that a senior is

> always a senior in the armed forces, if the O.O. wants he can place me

> under arrest after reaching the unit and frame any flimsy charge sheet

> against me and I could even face a court martial. My soul told me no

> fears so be it. Then I took a resolve that if it so happens, I will kill

> this son of a Gun senior- the Teacher-the Mentor-The supposed guide to

> me, by virtue of his being senior to me in rank in age. But nothing ever

> happened further on this count. For years on, I went on feeling sorry

> that I could not help her any further and would always wonder whether

> she ever reached her home !

>

> Now after such a long gap the discussion on Gurus, Deeksha, Beej Mantra,

> Guru Chaandal Yoga, Kanu Sanyal, Naxalbari has brought these memories

> back to me as fresh as ever before.

>

> As far me I feel that I have also fully understood that the description

> of this yoga in Shastras was indirect and not so direct but it's direct

> and literal meaning or name is CHAANDAL GURU-YOGA, If I may rename it

> in direct form. The O.O. must have called me by thousand names like

> CHAANDAL or manay more direct expletives , because he was in dire needs

> of the wants of his body and mind....and after the police raid, I

> deprived him of this real good oprtunity. But then, I do not find any

> such yoga which can directly label me as CHAANDAL SHISHYA. And lastly,

> that time I was running the mahadasha of Rahu-Rahu from 19-09-1966 to

> 01-01-1969.

>

> Raj Bhardwaj

>

> , " rohinicrystal "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Just an anecdotal suggestion, Raj_dada, if I may for you to examine in

> your collection of charts or test bench.

> >

> > I have always considered the lunar node as 'wild-cards' (The joker in

> a game of cards! A chalnaa, a mimic, a 'Shape-shifter' etc). This is why

> perhaps it is considered as a 'surrogate' that assumes the persona and

> role of the planet it is associated with or failing that in whose sign

> and nakshatra it is placed in). Particularly when a node is moving

> towards the planet it is co-occuping a varga, it imbibes the qualities

> and abilities of the planet concerned (I call it suction-yoga or

> Hoover-Yoga -- after the vacuum cleaner!). The planet so affected loses

> some or all of its propensity and natural qualities for good or bad! So

> a jupiter could lose its 'Teacher/priest-like nature', moon could lose

> its sensitive, emotional side or memory, mars could lose its

> aggression... etc!). It may not be a complete loss but a reduction in

> the qualities.

> >

> > Such influence is not necessarily good or bad for the individual

> depending on the personal nature of the node in the specific chart!

> >

> > Please remember that it is anecdotal! Try it at your own risk! In fact

> for other novice readers, I would venture to add: PLEASE DON'T TRY THIS

> AT HOME WITHOUT YOUR TEACHER OR PARENT BEING PRESENT CLOSE BY! :-)

> >

> > So nice to hear that cheerfulness is back in your heart. My prayers

> and best wishes that Ma always shower Her blessings on ALL my Dadas!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " rajbhardwaj1949 "

> rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhai Rohini, Kulbir and Krishnan and all Jyotishis,

> > >

> > > The thread on " Beej Mantra " and " I disagree " have been really very

> > > interesting for me. After a long time I was enjoying and smiling

> while

> > > reading the exchange, and at times I was humming. Completely

> relaxed. My

> > > wife had observed me at a few occasions and called my younger

> daughter

> > > to observe me silently and also enjoyed finding me relaxed with

> smile on

> > > my face. Somehow the subject in both the threads got intermangled

> very

> > > beautifully. Guru,Shishya,Deekshya,traditions; cunturies old and the

> > > current traits.

> > >

> > > I have firm belief that almost all of us(other jyotishis also

> included),

> > > who try to give answers to the queries to best of their knowledge;

> and

> > > most of the times face brickbats and get No thanks, still go on

> > > participating in their respective groups ,like addicts, not

> withstanding

> > > the skirmishes here and there.

> > >

> > > This further strengthens my belief, that all such jyotishis have

> learned

> > > jyotish with their own efforts, with no Guru or Gurukul. If this is

> not

> > > Junoon, then what else. The will to learn and the will to do bit of

> > > experiment too in the process.How much time it takes to read, how

> quick

> > > reactions or delayed reactions take seeds in our minds, how we

> prepare

> > > ourselves to gather the thoughts and type these to give them a shape

> and

> > > not expecting anything in return. Just the pure joy and

> satisfaction.

> > > This is a continuous process of learning for us and I also have no

> doubt

> > > that the young learner also must be picking a lots from what appears

> in

> > > the group.

> > >

> > > I will be hanged and stoned by the so called purists, if I were to

> say

> > > that there is no need to have Guru, in the times we are living. In

> other

> > > words every learner of Jyotish has his own free Will , if it is

> > > Operational , to learn the Jyotish without being bound by any

> > > Rules,Paramparas etc. This is so because the material and

> opportunity

> > > for picking up Jyotish is now really very easily available and every

> > > learner has good faculties in the field of education and languages.

> One

> > > just needs to have a keen eye and belief in himself. How they will

> use

> > > their knowledge will depend solely on themselves.

> > >

> > > While on the subject of , I (like many other Jyotishis) was also

> witness

> > > to few other happenings involving a Guru and Shishya. I have been

> > > thinking for quite some time about the " Guru-Chaandal Yoga " . Why

> such

> > > yoga was mentioned in BPHS. Guru was specifically Jupiter, but Rahu

> was

> > > not specifically Chandaal. I am not sure if Rahu has been given the

> name

> > > of Chaandal in it's various descriptions. Now how this Yoga is

> feared by

> > > all like Rahu dasha,Shani dasha, Shani Sade Sati etc. When a learner

> > > like me perhaps does not get any reason to show the cause of

> problems in

> > > facing the jataka , we the lesser known jyotishis just take names of

> > > such yogas or positions of Shani as the root cause of all the

> problems.

> > > Very easy way out indeed.

> > >

> > > I have been thinking a lot about The Guru-Chaandal Yoga and somehow

> tend

> > > to believe, that Guru can become like a Chaandal in the real sense.

> His

> > > all faculties are shut and whatever he does and utters is very very

> > > surprising, it hits everything and everybody very hard. The image of

> > > Guru becomes that of a Satan,as he breathes fire and breakes all the

> so

> > > called maryada of a Guru, if there is anything called maryada. When

> our

> > > Rishis mentioned this Guru -Chaandal Yoga, they really must have all

> the

> > > rishis,munis,gurus who had dual personalities. There is no need to

> > > elaborate this. The real meaning of Guru Chaandal Yoga seems to have

> > > sink in now. It simply sinks the esteerm of a Guru, where a Shishya

> is

> > > forced to challenge his Guru, and more the Guru accuses the Shishya,

> > > more he exposes himself, and forces the Shishya to break his silence

> and

> > > he starts hesitatingly initially but goes full blast exposing the

> Guru.

> > >

> > > But, then the Shishya also has to be a real learner, who perhaps

> never

> > > depends solely and blindly on one Guru. Now a big question which is

> > > staring me and I have been wondering why the fathers of Jyotish did

> not

> > > mention about any yoga specifically , which could be termed or

> called as

> > > " SHISHYA CHAANDAL " Yoga in the Jyotish !

> > >

> > > Raj Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > But Praajee...!

> > > >

> > > > IK HORE thaa jo Dasyaa gadheriyaan de-vichh, unna kol...!

> > > >

> > > > Varah (12) thay unna-di banday! Jotish main jaisay!! Ek do ghabraa

> > > gayey shaayad, aisaa sanu sunaa noo! Pher laut aayey US dey Kaul

> usday

> > > 'marnay' day baad!

> > > >

> > > > Kis-day kaul woh sab logaan lautay, mainu nai pataa!

> > > >

> > > > Asi to sirf dekhnaay may zindagi gawaan dittay! Kinni - Azib hai

> yeh

> > > kahaniyan bachchon di! Raab/Khudaa/Parmeshwar/God day bachchoon-di!

> > > >

> > > > Maaf karnaa praa -- punjabi bhot pyaari lagdii si magar ik saal to

> > > nahin naa kafi! Shaayad aglay janam main kuch hor seekh-layngay, jo

> raha

> > > giya si is janam-vich baki!

> > > >

> > > > Aankhaan khulie rakhiyo! Aandar_waali!! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Happy Easter!!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > SiRR ji,

> > > > > HUSH is the word;

> > > > > Bolan naalon chup changeri, chup de naalon parda; je MANSOOR na

> > > bolda taan

> > > > > sooli kahnu Chadhda.

> > > > > Silence is golden; veil of secrecy even better, Mansoor wouldn't

> > > have been

> > > > > hanged on gallows ;had he preferred silence.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > ** rohinicrystal jyotish_vani@

> > > > > *To:*

> > > > > *Sent:* Sun, 21 March, 2010 6:15:54 AM

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Information about beej mantra sadhana's ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbir_praaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > This 'regulation' , " ...if deeksha of beej mantra is given by

> > > competent

> > > > > guru, then it becomes the responsibility of the guru to bring

> > > salvation to

> > > > > the disciple. " -- has an interesting wrinkle!

> > > > >

> > > > > It implies that the Guru himself/herself has already attained

> > > salvation!

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it is safe to assume that such deekshas are being given

> in

> > > the

> > > > > hundreds of thousands, if not millions, world-wide ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Chelaa poochtaa hai, " If there are so many millions of Gurus

> who

> > > have

> > > > > attained salvation already... Why is the earth and humanity

> > > suffering so

> > > > > much? " :-B

> > > > >

> > > > > ~Sab kuch seekha humnay, naa seekhie hoshiyari, Sach hai duniya

> > > walon kay

> > > > > hum SUB hain anadi/anari! ~

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

March 27, 2010

Dada,

Here it is the rahu joining saturn and can never be Gur Chandal affair.Union of

like minds here becomes a story of exemplary that yet any one may land to carry

on life.

//Ustadjee had one leg. Looking back, he really carried himself very

proudly and strongly on one leg given by God and the other with THANKS

by Army!//

Life sometime certainly can be by keeping a brave front and also feeling the

pleasure in loosing one leg.yet the life is ahead and the support of god by the

other leg.situations how ever hard and bad have lessons.The two malefics,might

be chandals but give how much preservance not an eay one. Even the best and

honest Guru too can raise hopes of his sishya to the level to thhing to lead a

life in direness and with the God given leg.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga

Friday, March 26, 2010, 6:58 PM

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Thanks for sharing, Bade_bhai. You are very brave, indeed! Even though

there must be many like that O.O. in ANY Army, the exemplery BRAVERY and

DEDICATION of Indian Soldiers known all over the world and in ALL times is

illustrated by your experience!