Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Mishraji, I had also gone through the contents of Krushna'website some time back. I had also downloaded few of it's contents. But, when I read that he has also invented a new Ayanmsha, which has approx 58 minutes difference with the Lahiri's,somehow I could not grasp it. I also cold not find much of difference in basics of Ashatvarga rules,what I had read in few other books, especially the monumental Jyotish Ratnakar by Sh Devkinandan Singh of Darbhanga. May be I did not feel the need to distact my mind any further through KAS. Could be my ignorance perhaps. With regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't know whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I can infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me any thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to enlighten me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab if it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Dear Dada, > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the group for understanding KAS analysis. > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software is veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to make a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or musicians or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to bring to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > Sir, > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their own songs. > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Sir Raj Bharadwaj ji, Jyotish Ratnakar by Sh Devkinandan Singh of Darbhanga. no doubt a/the best book for astrology students. Incidentally, I am having it open on my table exactly at this moment. Warm Regards Kulbir Bains. On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Dear Mishraji, > I had also gone through the contents of Krushna'website some time back. I > had also downloaded few of it's contents. But, when I read that he has also > invented a new Ayanmsha, which has approx 58 minutes difference with the > Lahiri's,somehow I could not grasp it. I also cold not find much of > difference in basics of Ashatvarga rules,what I had read in few other books, > especially the monumental Jyotish Ratnakar by Sh Devkinandan Singh of > Darbhanga. May be I did not feel the need to distact my mind any further > through KAS. Could be my ignorance perhaps. With regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > <%40>, > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > know whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But > I can infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell > me any thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji > and further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to enlighten > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab if > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct > example. > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > >  > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > > <%40> > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > >  > > Dear Dada, > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@..> wrote: > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software is > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to make > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > musicians or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > bring to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events > Astakvarg is very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on > this topic with few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in > this regard but they do not entertain personal query or request rather > they sing their own songs. > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from Astak Varga.I have also heard from so many about efficacy of KAS for pin pointing timing of events.I am not being enlightened by any learned member in this regard.So I am putting my views to draw attention once again.My first principle is that I am ready to follow any system willfully which is applicable to twins or persons born in the same sign as ascendant on the same day and in the same locality.Let one calculate longivity of two people born on same day and in same locality at an interval of few minutes or secons only,both having the same ascendant. The position of planets also remain same.So by calculation both the person will get the same astakvarg figure.Therefore if we calculate longivity,both the persons should have the same span of life.But in real life it does not happen.Of the twins born in the same sign as ascendant,one lives and one dies.Longivity is not the same.Generally they all do not die on the same day after having lived for some years.For transit results also it is not applicable to twins.With regard to other matters for pin pointing timing of life events ,its efficacy is not practically tested by me.May be it up to the mark.If by grace of God any perfect and further positive thought dawns in my mind,I will be conviced with the efficacy of astakvarg system and I will let you know all about its efficacy and there will be no need to keep secret behind you. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ________________________________ Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 Sat, March 27, 2010 10:45:30 PM Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg  Dear Mishraji, I had also gone through the contents of Krushna'website some time back. I had also downloaded few of it's contents. But, when I read that he has also invented a new Ayanmsha, which has approx 58 minutes difference with the Lahiri's,somehow I could not grasp it. I also cold not find much of difference in basics of Ashatvarga rules,what I had read in few other books, especially the monumental Jyotish Ratnakar by Sh Devkinandan Singh of Darbhanga. May be I did not feel the need to distact my mind any further through KAS. Could be my ignorance perhaps. With regards. Raj Bhardwaj , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't know whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I can infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me any thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to enlighten me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab if it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Dear Dada, > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the group for understanding KAS analysis. > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software is veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to make a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or musicians or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to bring to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > Sir, > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their own songs. > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Misir_jee, I have nothing for or against this KAS system that you are trying to eek an opinion out of me! I have never really paid attention to it! Does that satisfy your pipasa? I consider myself very fortunate and lucky because I have never ever needed to run from pillar to post, insofaras jyotish is concerned! In other words, I do not panic each time a new 'trick' arrives in the tinseltown of internet jyotish! From 1980 and counting...!! Enough said? Rohiniranjan , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't know whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But I can infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell me any thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji and further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to enlighten me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab if it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct example. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra >  > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > >  > Dear Dada, > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the group for understanding KAS analysis. > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software is veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to make a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or musicians or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to bring to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > Sir, > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events Astakvarg is very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on this topic with few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in this regard but they do not entertain personal query or request rather they sing their own songs. > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Misra_jee, Yours has got to be one of the most recklessly penned statement posted on internet! You should be more responsible because some folks may actually trust your statemen as being real! What evidence do you have, or statistics for claiming that 'most' astrologers use AV for determining longevity? When and where and by whom was such a survey conducted? :-? Awaiting your response with details about the survey and evidence to support your *claim*! Rohiniranjan , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from Astak Varga... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Rohini Da, I have not experimented with longevity aspect of AV, but I have verified the Phala-sthaana aspect of killer planet like Saturn ; it works wonderfully ! -VJ ========================== == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Misra_jee, > > Yours has got to be one of the most recklessly penned statement posted on internet! > > You should be more responsible because some folks may actually trust your statemen as being real! > > What evidence do you have, or statistics for claiming that 'most' astrologers use AV for determining longevity? When and where and by whom was such a survey conducted? :-? > > Awaiting your response with details about the survey and evidence to support your *claim*! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@> wrote: > > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from Astak Varga... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dear Misra Ji, What's the utility of keeping anything secret, After all How much time do we have? Regards Kulbir Bains. On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have > seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from > Astak Varga.I have also heard from so many about efficacy of KAS for pin > pointing timing of events.I am not being enlightened by any learned member > in this regard.So I am putting my views to draw attention once again.My > first principle is that I am ready to follow any system willfully which is > applicable to twins or persons born in the same sign as ascendant on the > same day and in the same locality.Let one calculate longivity of two people > born on same day and in same locality at an interval of few minutes or > secons only,both having the same ascendant. The position of planets also > remain same.So by calculation both the person will get the same astakvarg > figure.Therefore if we calculate longivity,both the persons should have the > same span of life.But in real life it does not happen.Of the twins born in > the same sign as ascendant,one lives and one dies.Longivity is not the > same.Generally they all do not die on the same day after having lived for > some years.For transit results also it is not applicable to twins.With > regard to other matters for pin pointing timing of life events ,its efficacy > is not practically tested by me.May be it up to the mark.If by grace of God > any perfect and further positive thought dawns in my mind,I will be > conviced with the efficacy of astakvarg system and I will let you know all > about its efficacy and there will be no need to keep secret behind you. > > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > ________________________________ > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 <rajbhardwaj1949%40.co.in>> > > <%40> > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:45:30 PM > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > Dear Mishraji, > I had also gone through the contents of Krushna'website some time back. I > had also downloaded few of it's contents. But, when I read that he has also > invented a new Ayanmsha, which has approx 58 minutes difference with the > Lahiri's,somehow I could not grasp it. I also cold not find much of > difference in basics of Ashatvarga rules,what I had read in few other books, > especially the monumental Jyotish Ratnakar by Sh Devkinandan Singh of > Darbhanga. May be I did not feel the need to distact my mind any further > through KAS. Could be my ignorance perhaps. With regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > know whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But > I can infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell > me any thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji > and further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to enlighten > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab if > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct > example. > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > >  > > Dear Dada, > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@..> wrote: > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software is > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to make > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > musicians or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > bring to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events > Astakvarg is very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on > this topic with few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in > this regard but they do not entertain personal query or request rather > they sing their own songs. > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Immortality, bhai saheb! That is why babajis and MONKS renunciates keep returning to our society even if it means begging! If the mountains and jungles and Kailash were the ultimate goal, then we would never ever have seen those that fled REALITY and became recluses! And when they return there is simply one name for them! FAILED ANGELS! We have seen a few and shall continue to see a few such FAILURES and FALLEN and FAILED ANGELS! My heart goes out to their parents...! Did they deserve such misery? Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Dear Misra Ji, > What's the utility of keeping anything secret, After all How much time do we > have? > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I have > > seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated from > > Astak Varga.I have also heard from so many about efficacy of KAS for pin > > pointing timing of events.I am not being enlightened by any learned member > > in this regard.So I am putting my views to draw attention once again.My > > first principle is that I am ready to follow any system willfully which is > > applicable to twins or persons born in the same sign as ascendant on the > > same day and in the same locality.Let one calculate longivity of two people > > born on same day and in same locality at an interval of few minutes or > > secons only,both having the same ascendant. The position of planets also > > remain same.So by calculation both the person will get the same astakvarg > > figure.Therefore if we calculate longivity,both the persons should have the > > same span of life.But in real life it does not happen.Of the twins born in > > the same sign as ascendant,one lives and one dies.Longivity is not the > > same.Generally they all do not die on the same day after having lived for > > some years.For transit results also it is not applicable to twins.With > > regard to other matters for pin pointing timing of life events ,its efficacy > > is not practically tested by me.May be it up to the mark.If by grace of God > > any perfect and further positive thought dawns in my mind,I will be > > conviced with the efficacy of astakvarg system and I will let you know all > > about its efficacy and there will be no need to keep secret behind you. > > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Raj <rajbhardwaj1949 <rajbhardwaj1949%40.co.in>> > > > > <%40> > > Sat, March 27, 2010 10:45:30 PM > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > Dear Mishraji, > > I had also gone through the contents of Krushna'website some time back. I > > had also downloaded few of it's contents. But, when I read that he has also > > invented a new Ayanmsha, which has approx 58 minutes difference with the > > Lahiri's,somehow I could not grasp it. I also cold not find much of > > difference in basics of Ashatvarga rules,what I had read in few other books, > > especially the monumental Jyotish Ratnakar by Sh Devkinandan Singh of > > Darbhanga. May be I did not feel the need to distact my mind any further > > through KAS. Could be my ignorance perhaps. With regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > Respected RRji ,Vattemji & Kulbirji,Thanks for guidance.Really I don't > > know whether Krushnaji has developed any software for his system or not.But > > I can infer that perhaps at present respected RRji is not pleased to tell > > me any thing more about KAS.So at present I may hope from respected Vattemji > > and further request to enlighten me about KAS, if discussion on KAS is not > > against the group policy here.Respected Kulvirji is requested to enlighten > > me with rules framed by Rishi Ashtavakraji or rules available in Lalkitab if > > it is really helpful in pin pointing timing of life events,but with direct > > example. > > > With thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Sat, March 27, 2010 9:24:48 AM > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > >  > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > He (DN Mishrajee!) is looking for examples and evidence presented in an > > internet message or few! Do you have any? :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As a member of KAS for nearly a decade,i tried my best to fit into the > > group for understanding KAS analysis. > > > > In their syatem what I find is singlinging out planets for the effects > > and is part of their rules in the process of anlysis.Also their software is > > veru unique in determining the ascendant. > > > > Though basic Parashar principles and system was accepted,the analysis > > through KAS seems to be more systematised and is a close end process to > > understand timing of events.So I follow them invariably even now.Yet to make > > a conscious effort for practical purpose. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr. > > B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets > > are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/26/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Re: About efficacy of Ashtakvarg > > > > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Krushna has a software too that he announced here or at several > > places during the last few years and several times if I recall! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you learn to listen to your personal melody ;-) which you have > > tried to, from time to time, rather than blame other singers :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard Ravishankar jee criticising other singers or > > musicians or gharanaas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, he has done his best to bring the WORLD together > > through his East-West Fusion! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful treasurehouse of beautiful music he has managed to > > bring to us earthlings from Heavenly Domains! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Mozart! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhirendra Nath Misra > > <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected RRji,Vattemji, Sureshji, M Tripathiji,R. Bharadwajji > > ,Kulbirji,Tanvirji & Others, > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > >    It is said that for pin pointing timing of events > > Astakvarg is very effective tool.I request you all to enlighten me on > > this topic with few examples.KAS (Krushna Astakvarg System) is working in > > this regard but they do not entertain personal query or request rather > > they sing their own songs. > > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 SiRR Ji, I had decided to post astrology relevant posts on this forum henceforth but I just couldn't resist the temptation by your post. Sir, There is a poem penned by Rabinder Nath Tagore describing the moment when he returned home and his wife asked him it is was really necessary to leave them. I think that was the only time/moment when Lord preferred SILENCE. If any member has the translation kindly post it. I beg. SiRR ji, I am sure, you must be having it. Lots of Respect KB. On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:47 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > Immortality, bhai saheb! > > That is why babajis and MONKS renunciates keep returning to our society > even if it means begging! > > If the mountains and jungles and Kailash were the ultimate goal, then we > would never ever have seen those that fled REALITY and became recluses! > > And when they return there is simply one name for them! FAILED ANGELS! > > We have seen a few and shall continue to see a few such FAILURES and FALLEN > and FAILED ANGELS! > > My heart goes out to their parents...! Did they deserve such misery? > > Rohiniranjan > > > <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > > Dear Misra Ji, > > What's the utility of keeping anything secret, After all How much time do > we > > have? > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I > have > > > seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated > from > > > Astak Varga.I have also heard from so many about efficacy of KAS for > pin > > > pointing timing of events.I am not being enlightened by any learned > member > > > in this regard.So I am putting my views to draw attention once again.My > > > first principle is that I am ready to follow any system willfully which > is > > > applicable to twins or persons born in the same sign as ascendant on > the > > > same day and in the same locality.Let one calculate longivity of two > people > > > born on same day and in same locality at an interval of few minutes or > > > secons only,both having the same ascendant. The position of planets > also > > > remain same.So by calculation both the person will get the same > astakvarg > > > figure.Therefore if we calculate longivity,both the persons should have > the > > > same span of life.But in real life it does not happen.Of the twins born > in > > > the same sign as ascendant,one lives and one dies.Longivity is not the > > > same.Generally they all do not die on the same day after having lived > for > > > some years.For transit results also it is not applicable to twins.With > > > regard to other matters for pin pointing timing of life events ,its > efficacy > > > is not practically tested by me.May be it up to the mark.If by grace of > God > > > any perfect and further positive thought dawns in my mind,I will be > > > conviced with the efficacy of astakvarg system and I will let you know > all > > > about its efficacy and there will be no need to keep secret behind you. > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Dera Members, " He " here means Lord Buddha. It is prudent to play safe hence this explanation. Regards KB On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > SiRR Ji, I had decided to post astrology relevant posts on this forum > henceforth but I just couldn't resist the temptation by your post. > Sir, There is a poem penned by Rabinder Nath Tagore describing the moment > when he returned home and his wife asked him it is was really necessary to > leave them. I think that was the only time/moment when Lord preferred > SILENCE. > If any member has the translation kindly post it. I beg. > SiRR ji, I am sure, you must be having it. > > Lots of Respect > KB. > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:47 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > >> >> >> Immortality, bhai saheb! >> >> That is why babajis and MONKS renunciates keep returning to our society >> even if it means begging! >> >> If the mountains and jungles and Kailash were the ultimate goal, then we >> would never ever have seen those that fled REALITY and became recluses! >> >> And when they return there is simply one name for them! FAILED ANGELS! >> >> We have seen a few and shall continue to see a few such FAILURES and >> FALLEN and FAILED ANGELS! >> >> My heart goes out to their parents...! Did they deserve such misery? >> >> Rohiniranjan >> >> >> <%40>, >> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: >> > >> > Dear Misra Ji, >> > What's the utility of keeping anything secret, After all How much time >> do we >> > have? >> > Regards >> > Kulbir Bains. >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < >> > dhirendranathmisra wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I >> have >> > > seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated >> from >> > > Astak Varga.I have also heard from so many about efficacy of KAS for >> pin >> > > pointing timing of events.I am not being enlightened by any learned >> member >> > > in this regard.So I am putting my views to draw attention once >> again.My >> > > first principle is that I am ready to follow any system willfully >> which is >> > > applicable to twins or persons born in the same sign as ascendant on >> the >> > > same day and in the same locality.Let one calculate longivity of two >> people >> > > born on same day and in same locality at an interval of few minutes or >> > > secons only,both having the same ascendant. The position of planets >> also >> > > remain same.So by calculation both the person will get the same >> astakvarg >> > > figure.Therefore if we calculate longivity,both the persons should >> have the >> > > same span of life.But in real life it does not happen.Of the twins >> born in >> > > the same sign as ascendant,one lives and one dies.Longivity is not the >> > > same.Generally they all do not die on the same day after having lived >> for >> > > some years.For transit results also it is not applicable to twins.With >> > > regard to other matters for pin pointing timing of life events ,its >> efficacy >> > > is not practically tested by me.May be it up to the mark.If by grace >> of God >> > > any perfect and further positive thought dawns in my mind,I will be >> > > conviced with the efficacy of astakvarg system and I will let you know >> all >> > > about its efficacy and there will be no need to keep secret behind >> you. >> > > >> > > With thanks & regards, >> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 I am not really a fan of Robindronath :-( He did not believe in astrology or its utility! I, on the other hand, think that astrology and poetry ka " Cholie_daaman ka hai saath! " RR_, , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > SiRR Ji, I had decided to post astrology relevant posts on this forum > henceforth but I just couldn't resist the temptation by your post. > Sir, There is a poem penned by Rabinder Nath Tagore describing the moment > when he returned home and his wife asked him it is was really necessary to > leave them. I think that was the only time/moment when Lord preferred > SILENCE. > If any member has the translation kindly post it. I beg. > SiRR ji, I am sure, you must be having it. > > Lots of Respect > KB. > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:47 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > Immortality, bhai saheb! > > > > That is why babajis and MONKS renunciates keep returning to our society > > even if it means begging! > > > > If the mountains and jungles and Kailash were the ultimate goal, then we > > would never ever have seen those that fled REALITY and became recluses! > > > > And when they return there is simply one name for them! FAILED ANGELS! > > > > We have seen a few and shall continue to see a few such FAILURES and FALLEN > > and FAILED ANGELS! > > > > My heart goes out to their parents...! Did they deserve such misery? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Misra Ji, > > > What's the utility of keeping anything secret, After all How much time do > > we > > > have? > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Dhirendra Nath Misra < > > > dhirendranathmisra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raj Bharadwajji & Other Senior Astrologers of this group, I > > have > > > > seen that by most of the astrologers longivity is generally calculated > > from > > > > Astak Varga.I have also heard from so many about efficacy of KAS for > > pin > > > > pointing timing of events.I am not being enlightened by any learned > > member > > > > in this regard.So I am putting my views to draw attention once again.My > > > > first principle is that I am ready to follow any system willfully which > > is > > > > applicable to twins or persons born in the same sign as ascendant on > > the > > > > same day and in the same locality.Let one calculate longivity of two > > people > > > > born on same day and in same locality at an interval of few minutes or > > > > secons only,both having the same ascendant. The position of planets > > also > > > > remain same.So by calculation both the person will get the same > > astakvarg > > > > figure.Therefore if we calculate longivity,both the persons should have > > the > > > > same span of life.But in real life it does not happen.Of the twins born > > in > > > > the same sign as ascendant,one lives and one dies.Longivity is not the > > > > same.Generally they all do not die on the same day after having lived > > for > > > > some years.For transit results also it is not applicable to twins.With > > > > regard to other matters for pin pointing timing of life events ,its > > efficacy > > > > is not practically tested by me.May be it up to the mark.If by grace of > > God > > > > any perfect and further positive thought dawns in my mind,I will be > > > > conviced with the efficacy of astakvarg system and I will let you know > > all > > > > about its efficacy and there will be no need to keep secret behind you. > > > > > > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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